the problem is the range. some d-bag can sit on top of a building and drop splash damage on guys 40 feet down. it's foolish, and needs to be fixed.

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I don't have it so I can't personally verify that is does, but I've seen people state because numbers are rounded up to the nearest 10th that a Proto Minmatar Assault will get 4 in the clip with a Flaylock. Players also double down with 2 Flaylocks, swapping instead of reloading, and 2 run or more KinCats which makes them incredibly fast. Teamwork doesn't work out so well when Flaylock 2 shots most suits other then proto, and can with enough SP in damage mods and proficiency 2 shot even Proto. At 6 or 8 Flaylock rounds, that's 3 to 4 enemies who can be put done before reloading. DPS is king, and it doesn't matter if it's burst or sustained.

Lowering reload speed is not enough. Flaylock should have some combination of a slower RoF, less splash damage, 2 shots in the clip and a slower reload speed in my opinion.

I actually don't think it's OP. At distance most shots miss just like when I'm using a scrambler pistol. Up close it does more damage than my scrambler pistol (unless I hit the head), but has to reload after only 3 shots while I keep going.

If anything, fitting stats need to be changed slightly to bring it more in line with other sidearms.

One of the problems is that people mostly focus on the core flaylock...yet most of those people haven't really bothered trying the other proto sidearms. They're all really strong...but have their drawbacks.

With the SP, I get more shots and damage against shields...the flaylock rocks against armor but sucks against shields and only has 3 shots...the nova knife wins against anything if it's in striking distance...and the SMG requires less accurate aim while rocking against armor (but sucks against shields).

Most of the complaints are from people who use non-proto suits/mods and then complain about getting slaughtered by a proto gun.

Wait until more people use the scrambler pistol, they're outright scary in the right hands (and out-damage the SR btw).

Its a good theory, and I bet its true in some games.. but,.

/cough,

But this is Dust, the fine line between weapon OP/ Balance is,

is the core flaylock to easy to use ?

Like I dont care what anyone says, the scrambler pistol is HARD to use, It has burst potential second to SG and it would never be called op.

Shotgun in a SCOUT... (since we are talking in Proto level this suit is nuts)

At Proto level, its total eHP is about what most Caldari have for just their shield. My every day Scout has 180/80. Hmmm...260. With that Core Flaylock, insta kill.

As for your (Shotguns are easy), try it as a stealth class. Tell me how easy it is once someone sees you. you got 2 seconds then (Press CTRL to respawn)

The Op forgets that the flaylock can be duel weilded because of it's side arm status and has a 4 round clip with minmitar assault bonuses... I have played the flaylock for 3 days now on an alt and every game I have a 60m + kill, and I never dip below 12 kills a game. Every suit except for heavies and shield tanked proto calidari and minimitar suits die in 2 shots withe caladari and minmitar medium suits taking 3 shots and heavies 4. The slash damage allows me to supress the enemy as I move into "easy kill" range.

Compared against the AR

65+m the shot self detinates so it worthless at this range, however AR's are only able to tickle you anyways

50-65m - AR has a slight advantage if they are positioned above you or have cover, however if in open ground it even because the distance requires them to bring up the rail which means they can't dodgn't your shots well. If you are position above them this is an easy kill for the flaylock

30-50m - same as above hoever the AR is slightly better because they don't have to bring up the rail to aim. if flat open ground AR prob has advantage. If ar is on a cliff above u he wins, if flaylock is above its an easy kill.

20-30m - LoL AR has no chance to kill you in this range with a flaylock (unless the tager is sitting above you on a ledge with cover and only a headshot can make contact)

0-20M- They will be dead beforce 10 rounds leave their weapon. Every weapon gets dominated by the flaylock at this range... including shotguns and nova knives.

Lastly against the flaylock your team CANNOT move together as a squad. This weapon has a 2.5 meter splash and 2v1 any kind of hallway style are will be death. 2 flaylocks moving together don't even need to fire a second shot most of the time.

Can we all agree that regular Flaylocks are kinda on track while the Core gives us nightmares? Oh and dont for get the insta pop nades.

( am I seeing a pattern? Things with "Core" in the name get under my skin???)

Simple solutions are usually better.
Either the flaylock pistol is balanced and we are all suffering from some sort of mass delusion, perhaps being manipulated by some unseen force...
OR the gun is both too powerful and costs it's users too little PG.
Crowds can be wrong, but they are often correct. I'd run the math down on you right now, but CCP still hasn't given me a rate of fire to work with. I can say with great certainty that it's burst damage is eye popping/jaw dropping though.

I heard that once or twice. Carthum and Visium ( SP), Or Boundless being Min.

So question is..... EVERY ONE is shield. Minmatar makes weapons that hurt armor. They are in bed with Gallante. Which....are armor. Do I see a future back stab-ulation?

I thought they kinda did both. Could armor or shield tank. Kinda stuck in the middle.

Que 80's music

I don't know what game you are playing but i hear "fn Flaylock" in just about every match. Usually 3 to 5 users. All speed tanked.

Mostly I hear screaming over LLAVs. Mostly.

Once in a blue moon I hear screams of "TANK!!!1111" but....usually dead. So much scrap metal.....

A flaylock positioned above Alpha on the map with the rings makes capturing that point impossible. That 2 PG weapon MUST be dealt with personally. No amount of HP or hacking mods or zerging will let you capture that point without going up there and killing that guy first... AND he can do it from CONSIDERABLE range. Having a flaylock in a positon above you is almost certain death.

If you think dancing around like marry popins is gonna save you then you must be a Jedi or something..

Flaylock still has the highest DPS over the only window of time that matters. On a dynamic battlefield, the ability to deliver lethal damage in the blink of an eye is more powerful than the ability to deal sustained damage that may not kill at all. Saying the Flaylock is OK because its DPS isn't impressive over 10 or 15 second window is pointless.


Moronic statement. The scrambler pistol fires slower (i think?), requires aim, deals less damage, doesn't splash, is not going to kill people reliably from the top of a building, and isn't going to 2-shot anyone.



4 times? you mean two times? Besides you need multiple headshots anyway, stop trying to equate the two because of clip size.


Lastly, claiming direct hits on the flaylock are the cause of rage instead of the splash damage is absurd. A direct hit is only like 10% more damage than the splash. And while I'm at it, flaylocks also contribute to armor sucking so bad because they'll take out like 300+ armor in one shot.