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Aythadis Smith
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Posted - 2013.07.08 23:19:00 -
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I didn't hop on the Flaylock because of its trend, I did it because of Torgue from Borderlands 2. I was that mass damage in glass.
I havent hit Core level with it, but from my limited time with it in 3rd tier Gn-13 ( I think 13....) it isnt this one shot killer. I find my self cracking shields with my Scrambler, then closing the game with speed tanking, then getting a final shot with it.
As for the Core, my scout is one shot dead, my Gal armor tanked is one shot dead, my Min As- is one shot dead.
My personal opinion feels that it might just be the Core. I really dont want to waste the skill points to test this in having some FOTM weapon to see how 'OP " it is when reality says "MOAR SHOTGUN!" which.... I truly do love and miss. |
Aythadis Smith
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Posted - 2013.07.08 23:23:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Acezero 44 wrote:Its a good theory, and I bet its true in some games.. but,.
/cough,
But this is Dust, the fine line between weapon OP/ Balance is,
is the core flaylock to easy to use ?
Like I dont care what anyone says, the scrambler pistol is HARD to use, It has burst potential second to SG and it would never be called op.
Assault rifles are easy to use Knives are easy to use once you get in range SMGs are easy to use HMGs are easy to use Shotguns are easy to use once you get in range. Flaylocks actually take a bit more skill than some other weapons- the rocket moves slowly on a slight arc, so you have to compensate for movement and range. The sight itself also obscures your aim if you're trying to fire on an arc, so it's not really an option.
Shotgun in a SCOUT... (since we are talking in Proto level this suit is nuts)
At Proto level, its total eHP is about what most Caldari have for just their shield. My every day Scout has 180/80. Hmmm...260. With that Core Flaylock, insta kill.
As for your (Shotguns are easy), try it as a stealth class. Tell me how easy it is once someone sees you. you got 2 seconds then (Press CTRL to respawn)
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Aythadis Smith
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Posted - 2013.07.08 23:42:00 -
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Min is agreed as the goto for the shotgun.
As for me, I like the in and out of cover, the risk and reward..... . Maybe I like hard mode.
or ate paint chips..... |
Aythadis Smith
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Posted - 2013.07.08 23:48:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Acezero 44 wrote:Its a good theory, and I bet its true in some games.. but,.
/cough,
But this is Dust, the fine line between weapon OP/ Balance is,
is the core flaylock to easy to use ?
Like I dont care what anyone says, the scrambler pistol is HARD to use, It has burst potential second to SG and it would never be called op.
Bob's story makes a good point. Including the clip, flaylocks have 23 rounds and a quick reload time. What if the ammo capacity was cut down to 9~12? That would cut down on people making them spam shots all over the place, especially since it eats up nanohives as bad as the MD and grenades.
I think it actually has just as much (potential) shots and the MD. Maybe if, like you said, cut the ammo count, make it devour nanohives, we just might see the weapon removed from SPAM.
On a side note, most games do have that "n00b" weapon that gets them into the feel of the game. Gives them a base play. But slowly lets them know, gotta find a niche play because these kid tactics are wearing thing. Something to spoon feed the nublets with.
Something to give nublets confidence. Make them feel good. If this was that "go to " weapon, there would have to be a decent counter, or at least a way to lessen it's OHK status from it.
In all honestly, I'm not the guy with the authority to say "what what" here, all I can say is that the Core verity has removed me from the face of the planet enough times to get me cusin and wishing foul things on the user. |
Aythadis Smith
The Generals
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Posted - 2013.07.08 23:56:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Aythadis Smith wrote:
I think it actually has just as much (potential) shots and the MD. Maybe if, like you said, cut the ammo count, make it devour nanohives, we just might see the weapon removed from SPAM.
On a side note, most games do have that "n00b" weapon that gets them into the feel of the game. Gives them a base play. But slowly lets them know, gotta find a niche play because these kid tactics are wearing thing. Something to spoon feed the nublets with.
Something to give nublets confidence. Make them feel good. If this was that "go to " weapon, there would have to be a decent counter, or at least a way to lessen it's OHK status from it.
In all honestly, I'm not the guy with the authority to say "what what" here, all I can say is that the Core verity has removed me from the face of the planet enough times to get me cusin and wishing foul things on the user.
There already is a n00b tube in Dust, it just happens to be on 4 wheels.
........
My neighbor has this car. When ever walking to the store and I see this car pass me, I think Flux.
http://images.blog.autoshopper.com/2912_Pontiac-Aztec-2.jpg
Also, I seen what you did there |
Aythadis Smith
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Posted - 2013.07.09 00:17:00 -
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Can we all agree that regular Flaylocks are kinda on track while the Core gives us nightmares? Oh and dont for get the insta pop nades.
( am I seeing a pattern? Things with "Core" in the name get under my skin???) |
Aythadis Smith
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Posted - 2013.07.09 00:24:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Aythadis Smith wrote:Can we all agree that regular Flaylocks are kinda on track while the Core gives us nightmares? Oh and dont for get the insta pop nades.
( am I seeing a pattern? Things with "Core" in the name get under my skin???) You're probably right. I use a core focused repair tool, and people run from it all the time like the plague even, when they're down to a sliver of armor.
So true |
Aythadis Smith
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Posted - 2013.07.09 00:27:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Aythadis Smith wrote:Can we all agree that regular Flaylocks are kinda on track while the Core gives us nightmares? Oh and dont for get the insta pop nades.
( am I seeing a pattern? Things with "Core" in the name get under my skin???) Core is just a name prototype minmatar stuff uses. Just like ishukone for caldari, duvolle for gallente, and carthum for amarr
I heard that once or twice. Carthum and Visium ( SP), Or Boundless being Min.
So question is..... EVERY ONE is shield. Minmatar makes weapons that hurt armor. They are in bed with Gallante. Which....are armor. Do I see a future back stab-ulation? |
Aythadis Smith
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Posted - 2013.07.09 00:31:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Btw, I never hear in game stuff like "watch out, there's a flaylock above B"- people only warn about things such as knives, REs, MDs, snipers, and etc.
I don't know what game you are playing but i hear "fn Flaylock" in just about every match. Usually 3 to 5 users. All speed tanked.
Mostly I hear screaming over LLAVs. Mostly.
Once in a blue moon I hear screams of "TANK!!!1111" but....usually dead. So much scrap metal..... |
Aythadis Smith
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Posted - 2013.07.09 00:32:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Aythadis Smith wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Aythadis Smith wrote:Can we all agree that regular Flaylocks are kinda on track while the Core gives us nightmares? Oh and dont for get the insta pop nades.
( am I seeing a pattern? Things with "Core" in the name get under my skin???) Core is just a name prototype minmatar stuff uses. Just like ishukone for caldari, duvolle for gallente, and carthum for amarr I heard that once or twice. Carthum and Visium ( SP), Or Boundless being Min. So question is..... EVERY ONE is shield. Minmatar makes weapons that hurt armor. They are in bed with Gallante. Which....are armor. Do I see a future back stab-ulation? Minmatar fight amarr, which are armor tanks.
I thought they kinda did both. Could armor or shield tank. Kinda stuck in the middle.
Que 80's music
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Aythadis Smith
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Posted - 2013.07.09 00:37:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Aythadis Smith wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Btw, I never hear in game stuff like "watch out, there's a flaylock above B"- people only warn about things such as knives, REs, MDs, snipers, and etc. I don't know what game you are playing but i hear "fn Flaylock" in just about every match. Usually 3 to 5 users. All speed tanked. Mostly I hear screaming over LLAVs. Mostly. Once in a blue moon I hear screams of "TANK!!!1111" but....usually dead. So much scrap metal..... What chat are you in? When I'm on team chat, nobody ever says anything. On team chat, I hear coughing, eating, bitching about nonspecific stuff, and background noise, but nothing useful. I'm talking about when I squad up.
Squad? I play with my corp or alliance. I never leave home with less then 4 including me. Some times we drip and laugh.
So...maybe go to team chat and teach a numb once or twice |
Aythadis Smith
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Posted - 2013.07.09 00:39:00 -
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Fiddlestaxp wrote:R'adeh Hunt wrote:Fiddlestaxp wrote:Simple solutions are usually better.
Either the flaylock pistol is balanced and we are all suffering from some sort of mass delusion, perhaps being manipulated by some unseen force...
OR the gun is both too powerful and costs it's users too little PG.
Crowds can be wrong, but they are often correct. I'd run the math down on you right now, but CCP still hasn't given me a rate of fire to work with. I can say with great certainty that it's burst damage is eye popping/jaw dropping though. The one point I agree with is that fitting stats of the flaylock don't seem totally in line with other sidearms. I disagree with everything else you said for reasons already mentioned. You can't "balance" a gun based on the number of whine posts on a forum! I'm not saying that we should balance the gun on the number of the whine posts on the forum... I am saying that the whine posts have substance and reason and that a good number of the game's best players either agree with the whine post or employ the core flaylock. SI and Outer Heaven both use them in abundance (Probably for no reason at all, I bet they just like the name). And I'm not trying to say that they are better than you and that their fitting choices are always correct, but I AM DETECTING A PATTERN.
Ok. i guess start the ask how and what kills us. What are we using (suit, mods, gun) vs this Flaylock user.
Well, I made my post clear, A all ADV scout With 180 shields to 80 armor. Shotty, CRW charge scram. Sometimes a basic MD when I dont want to fight. Just make the target leave me alone. |
Aythadis Smith
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Posted - 2013.07.09 21:22:00 -
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I guess user vs victims can't get their bearings straight.
My complaint is that, the Core feels to hit harder then the other variants. Normally 1 shotted before I can even react. I knows it's job is to decimate armor, so I tend to stick with shield tanked suits. Minimally tanked, but tanked non the less.
It is a burst damage weapon. Hence my love for the shotgun and mass driver ( tanks and other assortment of BOOM)
I really can't complain outside of the Core. But I could cross this argument on the SG. I personally ohk'd multiple targets. Usually with a high success. Could it be it is too successful on shields? Maybe seeing people running with it as their primary and using it as if it were a SG?
Though if I were to complain on that, one should complain on me using a MD in the same fashion
But it can take an easy 4 shots with an MD to drop shields, yet I see FL doing the same thing with less rounds
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