Submachine guns are like concentrated sun to tears when applied to armor.

But your leaving out things like the shotguns potential to be a one hit kill at close range and the scrambler rifles charge feature which makes it deadly especially if it's a charge headshot.

The hmg will drop you quicker in a cqc fight because of the higher rate of fire. me having 1 complex heavy damage mod and proficiency to 4 i do 24.8 damage a bullet and 2000 rpm thats 49,600 damage a minute. even though you can't fire for a whole minute thats still a lot of damage per second.

I would expect a full balance when all AR's (caldari rail rifle, minmatar compact rifle) are in and possibly even the heavy weapons too

Its not the meant to have the shortest range of all weapon, just the shortest range for assault rifles.

I've been in beta for a long time, and I've literally heard every weapon be called overpowered (well, the plasma cannon was one of those things where people expected it to be OP before it was released). More often then not, it's an exaggeration.

But the real overpowered weapon? That's not hard to find- and it's the gallente assault rifle.

First, let's look at what it's meant to be.
It's a gallente weapon; that means having the shortest range, highest damage. It's also an assault rifle, which means it's supposed to be OK at everything. While its overall effectiveness in different situations isn't something you can prove easily, let's look at the Gallente side.

I'll be comparing the Duvolle assault rifle with the Imperial Scrambler rifle
Optimal ranges (according to the range thread): since the Duvolle is plasma and the Scrambler is a pulse laser, the scrambler should have significantly more range.

• Duvolle assault rifle: 42m
• Imperial scrambler rifle: 50m

8 meters isn't very significant, especially considering the (SoonGäó) Combat rifle has to fit between them, while it's also much easier to hit with the duvolle, since it's fully automatic. Outside of effective range, the duvolle is currently the bigger threat.

Now let's look at damage:

• Duvolle assault rifle: 34.1 per shot
RoF of 750
doesn't overheat, so it does 10230 in the 24 seconds before having to stop to reload
In 5.5 seconds, that's about 2344 damage

• Imperial Scrambler rifle: 79.2 per shot
max RoF is 705.9, but it's semi automatic, and can overheat. Firing at a RoF slow enough to conserve heat, I managed to fire 16 shots in 5.5 seconds before overheating (which does damage)
Counting the overheat as a reload, that's 1267 damage in 5.5 seconds before the user has to stop.

Going off of that, in the time it takes for the scrambler rifle (if fired carefully) to overheat, the duvolle does nearly twice the damage, at nearly the same range, while taking much less practice to use.

A few quick, less in-depth comparisons to other weapons:
Compared to the HMG, the assault rifle has more range and is more accurate. With the spread of HMG bullets, the AR also seems to deal more damage.
Compared to the shotgun, the assault rifle hits much more consistently (against a moving target), and at a much longer range.
Compared to the mass driver, the assault rifle takes less practice, or more effective against shield tanked people (almost all of them) and lasts longer before running out of ammo
Compared to the laser rifle, the assault rifle has comparable range and damage, while lacking the overheat and being more effective in CQC
Compared to the flaylock pistol (I don't want to compare it to a sidearm, but someone is bound to bring it up), the assault rifle has much longer range, is easier to hit with, and can fire for much longer before reloading.
On the current maps, most sniper positions can be now easily shot by assault rifles


The gallente assault rifle needs to be gallente- short ranged. It already has gallente damage, and takes no skill to use.

Compare the Duvolle to the Carthum assault scrambler rifle. Or the TACT to the Imperial

HMG? Please, try using it. MUCH shorter range, and it's inaccurate enough that you won't be hitting often enough for the RoF to matter anyway. The reload is also so long that you need to wait for the fighting to be far away before it's safe to try.

I'm comparing what's meant to be the primary gallente weapon to the primary amarr weapon.

I've been in beta for a long time, and I've literally heard every weapon be called overpowered (well, the plasma cannon was one of those things where people expected it to be OP before it was released). More often then not, it's an exaggeration.

But the real overpowered weapon? That's not hard to find- and it's the gallente assault rifle.

First, let's look at what it's meant to be.
It's a gallente weapon; that means having the shortest range, highest damage. It's also an assault rifle, which means it's supposed to be OK at everything. While its overall effectiveness in different situations isn't something you can prove easily, let's look at the Gallente side.

I'll be comparing the Duvolle assault rifle with the Imperial Scrambler rifle
Optimal ranges (according to the range thread): since the Duvolle is plasma and the Scrambler is a pulse laser, the scrambler should have significantly more range.

• Duvolle assault rifle: 42m
• Imperial scrambler rifle: 50m

8 meters isn't very significant, especially considering the (SoonGäó) Combat rifle has to fit between them, while it's also much easier to hit with the duvolle, since it's fully automatic. Outside of effective range, the duvolle is currently the bigger threat.

Now let's look at damage:

• Duvolle assault rifle: 34.1 per shot
RoF of 750
doesn't overheat, so it does 10230 in the 24 seconds before having to stop to reload
In 5.5 seconds, that's about 2344 damage

• Imperial Scrambler rifle: 79.2 per shot
max RoF is 705.9, but it's semi automatic, and can overheat. Firing at a RoF slow enough to conserve heat, I managed to fire 16 shots in 5.5 seconds before overheating (which does damage)
Counting the overheat as a reload, that's 1267 damage in 5.5 seconds before the user has to stop.

Going off of that, in the time it takes for the scrambler rifle (if fired carefully) to overheat, the duvolle does nearly twice the damage, at nearly the same range, while taking much less practice to use.

A few quick, less in-depth comparisons to other weapons:
Compared to the HMG, the assault rifle has more range and is more accurate. With the spread of HMG bullets, the AR also seems to deal more damage.
Compared to the shotgun, the assault rifle hits much more consistently (against a moving target), and at a much longer range.
Compared to the mass driver, the assault rifle takes less practice, or more effective against shield tanked people (almost all of them) and lasts longer before running out of ammo
Compared to the laser rifle, the assault rifle has comparable range and damage, while lacking the overheat and being more effective in CQC
Compared to the flaylock pistol (I don't want to compare it to a sidearm, but someone is bound to bring it up), the assault rifle has much longer range, is easier to hit with, and can fire for much longer before reloading.
On the current maps, most sniper positions can be now easily shot by assault rifles


The gallente assault rifle needs to be gallente- short ranged. It already has gallente damage, and takes no skill to use.

It has the same absolute range as a laser, which is supposed to have much much much more range.

I've been in beta for a long time, and I've literally heard every weapon be called overpowered (well, the plasma cannon was one of those things where people expected it to be OP before it was released). More often then not, it's an exaggeration.

But the real overpowered weapon? That's not hard to find- and it's the gallente assault rifle.

First, let's look at what it's meant to be.
It's a gallente weapon; that means having the shortest range, highest damage. It's also an assault rifle, which means it's supposed to be OK at everything. While its overall effectiveness in different situations isn't something you can prove easily, let's look at the Gallente side.

I'll be comparing the Duvolle assault rifle with the Imperial Scrambler rifle
Optimal ranges (according to the range thread): since the Duvolle is plasma and the Scrambler is a pulse laser, the scrambler should have significantly more range.

• Duvolle assault rifle: 42m
• Imperial scrambler rifle: 50m

8 meters isn't very significant, especially considering the (SoonGäó) Combat rifle has to fit between them, while it's also much easier to hit with the duvolle, since it's fully automatic. Outside of effective range, the duvolle is currently the bigger threat.

Now let's look at damage:

• Duvolle assault rifle: 34.1 per shot
RoF of 750
doesn't overheat, so it does 10230 in the 24 seconds before having to stop to reload
In 5.5 seconds, that's about 2344 damage

• Imperial Scrambler rifle: 79.2 per shot
max RoF is 705.9, but it's semi automatic, and can overheat. Firing at a RoF slow enough to conserve heat, I managed to fire 16 shots in 5.5 seconds before overheating (which does damage)
Counting the overheat as a reload, that's 1267 damage in 5.5 seconds before the user has to stop.

Going off of that, in the time it takes for the scrambler rifle (if fired carefully) to overheat, the duvolle does nearly twice the damage, at nearly the same range, while taking much less practice to use.

A few quick, less in-depth comparisons to other weapons:
Compared to the HMG, the assault rifle has more range and is more accurate. With the spread of HMG bullets, the AR also seems to deal more damage.
Compared to the shotgun, the assault rifle hits much more consistently (against a moving target), and at a much longer range.
Compared to the mass driver, the assault rifle takes less practice, or more effective against shield tanked people (almost all of them) and lasts longer before running out of ammo
Compared to the laser rifle, the assault rifle has comparable range and damage, while lacking the overheat and being more effective in CQC
Compared to the flaylock pistol (I don't want to compare it to a sidearm, but someone is bound to bring it up), the assault rifle has much longer range, is easier to hit with, and can fire for much longer before reloading.
On the current maps, most sniper positions can be now easily shot by assault rifles


The gallente assault rifle needs to be gallente- short ranged. It already has gallente damage, and takes no skill to use.

Yeah, we already knew this, but Remnant stating that the AR is a placeholder confirmed it. The AR has Gallente DPS, Minmatar ROF, and Caldari/Amarr range. It's not OP because its easy mode, the AR is just too versatile because its the best of 4 worlds in one weapon class. Hopefully, this issue will be resolved once all the racial rifles with their own strengths/weaknesses are added and the AR Plasma Rifle becomes the short range, high DPS hybrid weapon it was supposed to be.

Totally agree with no downside, near pinpoint accuracy, and virtually no recoil, the gar is the most powerfull weapon in the game by a long shot.

That being said.

The gar is also the most used weapon in the game by assault players the most numerous and vocal of the players in dust, fixing this would instantly be called out as an 'unfair nerf' and generate a tsunami of tears and qq threads not to mention an increase of 'dust is doomed' threads by said butthurt players who dispite throwing around the phrase : 'adapt or die'when other weapons and classes get the shaft, would be unwilling to do so.

We all know why the gar hasn't been fixed and it's got nothing to do with balance.

You misunderstood what he said... the varients are placeholders. IE the AR is the gallente version...the tact is the amarr...the burst is the minmatar and the breach is the caldari. This is what was meant by the dev.

Totally agree with no downside, near pinpoint accuracy, and virtually no recoil, the gar is the most powerfull weapon in the game by a long shot.

That being said.

The gar is also the most used weapon in the game by assault players the most numerous and vocal of the players in dust, fixing this would instantly be called out as an 'unfair nerf' and generate a tsunami of tears and qq threads not to mention an increase of 'dust is doomed' threads by said butthurt players who dispite throwing around the phrase : 'adapt or die'when other weapons and classes get the shaft, would be unwilling to do so.

We all know why the gar hasn't been fixed and it's got nothing to do with balance.