Explains the situation perfectly.

I remember when the recoil was fixed (they used to have laser-like accuracy no matter how long you fired it) the forum fallout was huge.

Its not the meant to have the shortest range of all weapon, just the shortest range for assault rifles.

Come on semperfi the Duvolle eats scrambler and I'm an avid scrambler wielder, I love that gun, but every time I step in front of some one with an AR or HMG I back the hell off. The scrambler is good at a distance and thankfully has a red dot sight (thanks so much ccp) which is why I always make distance between me and anyone I'm trying to hit.

There is no way a single shot weapon can compare with something you can just hold down and spray for a little while in a close range battle, I've tried it.

Explains the situation perfectly.

I remember when the recoil was fixed (they used to have laser-like accuracy no matter how long you fired it) the forum fallout was huge.

See I never though the TAC was a placeholder for Amarr, if anything I felt the standard AR was an Amarr placeholder.

The devs have stated caldari is getting the rail rifle, which is long range low damage. I just figured TAC was the closest we have to that.

I'm almost positive the Breach is supposed to be the Gallente Plasma Blaster.

The Burst is the Minmatar combat rifle.

That's how I've always thought it was, at least.

Just gonna chime in again here.

Where is everyone getting that the standard AR is the Gallente AR? Can someone give me a link, because no where in its description does it say that it's Gallente

:/

Just gonna chime in again here.

Where is everyone getting that the standard AR is the Gallente AR? Can someone give me a link, because no where in its description does it say that it's Gallente

:/

If nothing else check the prices. The racial varient that is specific for that race is less expensive then the alternate varients meant to copy other racial types. Imp scrambler is cheaper than the assault scrambler.....the plasma assault rifle is cheaper than the tact/burst/breach rifles. This along with some other things I have read leads me to believe this but......I could be wrong....either way i dont think is makes that big of a difference.

I think the two of you are looking from rose-tinted glasses, as it were. You're seeing the world through the forums - I've been in plenty of random squads with players who know nothing of the forums or the mechanics of the game and continue to play. CCP is not afraid of making unpopular decisions in their time and place. The game is still in a fairly heavy development phase and is going to be a continued work in project, just like any MMO and any tactical game. Balances will shift as new ideas are brought to the table and as new technology is introduced to the game.

I just started browsing the forum and while there is plenty of use here by players and plenty of players posting, I've been surprised by the tone. The game is free, for the most part. CCP engages its players in a way that most game companies do not and actively introduce player-drive content and ideas into their products. They take risks, plenty of them. CCP has never set out to make the most popular games, they seek to create innovative ways to experience gaming mechanics within a community and everything that goes with that (afkers, scammers, etc). Yes, Dust needs some work but why not think like a designer and a player and give some cred where its due rather than trite comments that do nothing to further the game that we are all playing to enjoy and help enhance the community instead? Just my two cents. I'm probably an *******.

duvolle is op, yup. the only gun that I dislike getting killed by at long range. yup, it's always the duvolle. the easiest weapon with a lot of damage to use. way to go guys.

What must you think of the scrambler since its more accurate, with higher dmg, less recoil/disperion, better sight, and faster reload. (range is similar).

This is even further proof of your fail. You enjoy strawman arguments dont you? The issue had nothing to do with recoil. AR users were upset about the weapon sight that was used (absolutely horrible ADS sight for the longest time on the AR). This was a legitimate issue. Noone that can even be considered remotely good complained about the recoil on the AR...infact we were calling for the recoil to be added back to the AR. Its the ppl who were arguing against the ppl who were complaining about the weapon sights that said all the complaints were about the recoil. Basically if you fell for that tactic then I hope you dont vote because that is just a horrible ability of discernment. The sights were horrible and have recently been made better. They are at least decent sights now so no more complaints about that as they probably couldnt get any better (this is due to CCP issues as they could still be better but its probably the best they will get).

So McBob what random argument with no basis are you going to pull out of your butt next? Will you actually provide an argument that will at least take me more then 5 seconds to see that you are using false data or shows that you have a complete ineptidude for math skills?

I think the two of you are looking from rose-tinted glasses, as it were. You're seeing the world through the forums - I've been in plenty of random squads with players who know nothing of the forums or the mechanics of the game and continue to play. CCP is not afraid of making unpopular decisions in their time and place. The game is still in a fairly heavy development phase and is going to be a continued work in project, just like any MMO and any tactical game. Balances will shift as new ideas are brought to the table and as new technology is introduced to the game.

I just started browsing the forum and while there is plenty of use here by players and plenty of players posting, I've been surprised by the tone. The game is free, for the most part. CCP engages its players in a way that most game companies do not and actively introduce player-drive content and ideas into their products. They take risks, plenty of them. CCP has never set out to make the most popular games, they seek to create innovative ways to experience gaming mechanics within a community and everything that goes with that (afkers, scammers, etc). Yes, Dust needs some work but why not think like a designer and a player and give some cred where its due rather than trite comments that do nothing to further the game that we are all playing to enjoy and help enhance the community instead? Just my two cents. I'm probably an *******.

People never want to take the SP system into account when claiming OP or UP. We aren't allowed to alter our choices, you're stuck with whatever you go for. Surprise surprise if more people are using the tried and true instead of investing deeply into a weapon that they may or may like / that may or may not get hit with the nerf nuke.

This isn't directed at you Semper, just stating that because you don't see something all the time in every game (or if you do) doesn't necessarily dictate how OP or UP it is. There's lots more going on, not just in the gun game and numbers, but also in player psychology and habits.

You're the dumabsses who asked for ironsights

I play the game- I see assault rifles dominating every niche except sniping and AV

The gar is also the most used weapon in the game by assault players the most numerous and vocal of the players in dust, fixing this would instantly be called out as an 'unfair nerf' and generate a tsunami of tears and qq threads not to mention an increase of 'dust is doomed' threads by said butthurt players who dispite throwing around the phrase : 'adapt or die'when other weapons and classes get the shaft, would be unwilling to do so.

We all know why the gar hasn't been fixed and it's got nothing to do with balance.

This was another reason I went with the scrambler. Its less SP to spec into is pretty deeply since you dont have to spec into the 2 different recoil/dispersion reducing skills (which reduces recoil/dispersion to similar levels of the scramblers base lvl).

You're the dumabsses who asked for ironsights

Wrong there was only a couple of ppl who asked for ironsights. Noone with was even mediocre in skill or above asked for iron sights. So what the 5% who wanted iron sights means that the entire group of players who use this weapon can be blamed for requesting iron sights? That makes a lot of sense...........please before you open you mouth again at least use the search system and look up all those old threads to refresh your obviously poor memory.

I was for customizable sights, having the option to use red dot, iron sight , acog whatever.. just having the option for the one to your liking. instead my rifle got just iron. I actually quit playing for 4 months after that lol. Now i'm over it and used to the irons