Wait does that mean that mean someone could of gotten 6x sp

Quite a grind there.

Looking forward to get this sorted and some more SP available in my pool. Good luck.

Edit/Also it says you will reset the pool? So does that mean, that if you did cap out yesterday after the DT, you will receive another 571k SP to use now? Seems kinda unfair for those that capped out Wednesday and got nothing compared to the ones that capped out yesterday (or until DT today) and they get another 571k to use.

/c

I know and I would of done it to.

Not unfair. CCP derped, they fixed the issue now. It's a good thing
Those that played on Wed - Thurs got their 190k originally (probably more) and very few got 570k (those that didn't play on Wed at all). Essentially it is 380k at most, but probably even less than that missed. You gotta be really hardcore to get that :D But nobody is going to die from that SP anyway. Well, some of them. But hey.

This is a very unique chance for players such as I, who waited to play until Thursday. I plan on capping before the downtime (which wont be too long) so I can get the dual-cap event to hit the ground running.

If I am correct though, people who didn't play during the event today will be getting a new shot at the triple SP with refreshed skill cap. The nice thing about this is the amount of grind combined with boosters, as follows.

Play all day Thursday with boosters activated and get 4.5x SP modifier, until capped out (which I anticipated doing only on Thursday) which allows me to get 856,800 SP in one day. Then, once the cap is restarted after downtime, I can get an additional 856,800 SP anytime after the cap readjustment on Friday. Since I (and many others taking advantage of this opportunity) are going to cap out again with boosters, this means that in the course of two days, I can make 1,713,600, which divided by 190,400 (SP per week) comes up to 9 weeks of time needed to get this amount of SP.

So, for 2 dollars in boosters (3 day active booster), and starting and expending my cap on Thursday and restarting cap on Friday and repeating the process, I can get 9 weeks of SP progress (assuming the person in context reaches the cap) in 2 days.

Tl;Dr: This is going to allow people who planned ahead to get over 2 months of SP in only a couple days, if done right. Looks like my patience to wait until Thursday was not in vain.

CCP, thank you for this unique opportunity; Its times like these where people are able to catch up to the "Big Dogs" of Dust 514.

Wait does that mean that mean someone could of gotten 6x sp

So if I cap today after down time I will have a whole weeks work of sp to grind again?

Crap !, I knew i should grinded all my SP yesterday ...a bit of a miscalculation on my part...

To be fair, no one (not even CCP, from what I've read) saw this coming. This was pretty spontaneous; you still have time to finish as much cap as you can though in the next couple hours. You would be surprised how much SP you can still gain if you aren't currently busy.

yeah well.. that is the problem, i'm busy right now...But i did saw this coming, i just wasn't expecting to happen to day. Ohh well.

Don't sweat it mate, there will be plenty of opportunities in the future for you to catch up where someone else won't. Everyone gets their shot at at an opportunity like this, but not everyone can exploit it. Likewise for the next time something similar in the EVE Universe happens. (Who knows, maybe there will be an event I may miss that everyone else will benefit from)

12:37 UTC ~ 13:37 CET, servers still down?

It's 11:42 UTC.....

Dear players,

On Thursday, July 4th we deployed the Triple Skill Point event to Tranquility. After the deployment we discovered the script that was supposed to increase your Skill Point cap was not working as intended, increasing only the amount of skill points remaining to the original, 190.400 cap. This made players that already capped their skill points by playing from Wednesday to Thursday receive no skill point cap increase after the downtime on Thursday.

Because of this error, we will be deploying a new Triple SP script today (5th of July), to reset everyoneGÇÖs weekly Skill Point cap and increase it to its intended triple value GÇô 571.200 for the duration of this event.

DUST 514 will go offline for an extended period of time today and is expected to come back online at 12:00 GMT.

We apologize for the inconvenience this may have caused on the first day of the event, and we hope that you will enjoy the remainder of this event.

-DUST 514 Community team

So if I cap today after down time I will have a whole weeks work of sp to grind again?

To be fair, no one (not even CCP, from what I've read) saw this coming. This was pretty spontaneous; you still have time to finish as much cap as you can though in the next couple hours. You would be surprised how much SP you can still gain if you aren't currently busy.

Why don't you just start these triple XP weeks on Wednesday when the cap is reset, CCP? Stop wasting time by creating problems unnecessarily that you then have to fix. Have you ever heard of the KISS principle? Keep It Simple Stupid (emphasis on Stupid)

It seems like DUST is a place where "Better Safe Than Sorry" doesn't exist.

Get a whole bunch of bugged money, money that doesn't belong to you and you know it's a bug that'll get fixed? No biggie, spend it all, you'll get to keep everything.

Do something stupid like Cap out before the 3x SP event starts? No problem, your cap will get reset, so you'll get 4x SP.

I guess next time something happens, I'll take the stupidest route, because it seems like I'll gain the most from that.

It seems like DUST is a place where "Better Safe Than Sorry" doesn't exist.

Get a whole bunch of bugged money, money that doesn't belong to you and you know it's a bug that'll get fixed? No biggie, spend it all, you'll get to keep everything.

Do something stupid like Cap out before the 3x SP event starts? No problem, your cap will get reset, so you'll get 4x SP.

I guess next time something happens, I'll take the stupidest route, because it seems like I'll gain the most from that.

It seems like DUST is a place where "Better Safe Than Sorry" doesn't exist.

Get a whole bunch of bugged money, money that doesn't belong to you and you know it's a bug that'll get fixed? No biggie, spend it all, you'll get to keep everything.

Do something stupid like Cap out before the 3x SP event starts? No problem, your cap will get reset, so you'll get 4x SP.

I guess next time something happens, I'll take the stupidest route, because it seems like I'll gain the most from that.

Since its very clear CCP can not manage SP. Can they give a 30 day omega to all who capped on Wednesday? That would make up for the SP missed out on and the possibility to gain a little extra for the "Overtime" we put in.

Why? Because you guys couldn't wait until Thursday to start playing and cap out? You seem like the type that feels entitled to equal treatment despite the dissonance between our conditions. So, the next time you ever get an opportunity to find yourself a benefit that gives you a LITTLE bit of an edge, I'm going to come on the forums and ask for everything you received, despite the fact that you took an opportunity by planning for it in advance.

Sorry mate, but this is the world of EVE Online; The people who use their brain more than their instinct for the pursuit of decision-making find themselves rewarded more than the common man.

(Of course, this is very context-specific, but in this scenario, if CCP gave Omega boosters to everyone who capped on Wednesday cause they COULDN'T wait until Thursday, they are going to **** off a lot of people, including myself.)

"Success always comes where preparation meets opportunity" -Henry Hartman

Why? Because you guys couldn't wait until Thursday to start playing and cap out? You seem like the type that feels entitled to equal treatment despite the dissonance between our conditions. So, the next time you ever get an opportunity to find yourself a benefit that gives you a LITTLE bit of an edge, I'm going to come on the forums and ask for everything you received, despite the fact that you took an opportunity by planning for it in advance.

Sorry mate, but this is the world of EVE Online; The people who use their brain more than their instinct for the pursuit of decision-making find themselves rewarded more than the common man.

(Of course, this is very context-specific, but in this scenario, if CCP gave Omega boosters to everyone who capped on Wednesday cause they COULDN'T wait until Thursday, they are going to **** off a lot of people, including myself.)

"Success always comes where preparation meets opportunity" -Henry Hartman

Thank you for the interest in the July events everyone, below are answers to your questions regarding the events.

Triple SP Event
1. The weekly SP cap will reset on Wednesday, July 3rd as usual after DT. If you hit your weekly in the first day then you will still be eligible for the extended SP cap for the event on Thursday. For example, if the weekly SP cap was 1000 and you hit the cap on Wednesday before the event starts, then on Thursday we will extend the weekly SP cap to 3000 so you will have an extra 2000 added to your weekly SP cap for the event. Of course, the number I used in the example is just an arbitray number and not the actual SP cap amounts in order to illustrate the point.

2. The passive SP gain and caps are not part of the triple SP event, so they will work normally.

3. Your extra SP earned from skill boosters do not count towards your weekly SP cap. For more info on that go to https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=74943&find=unread

Mordus' Challenge Event
1. The 100 Objective hack challenge includes all hackable objects in-game and includes vehicles, CRU, turrets, supply depots and the skirmish objectives.
2. Hack assists do not count.

The above info has been updated on the events dev blog. Thanks again for your feedbacks.

Many people who played on Wednesday did it not because they weren't paying attention, leaving them unaware of the event, or because of a failed understanding of the event. They did it because they wanted to play that day, understood what the intended result was and decided playing a few extra matches to get to that 570k number wasn't an issue. There was no reason to wait outside of playing less based on the intended change to the cap for the event.

This wasn't a lack of prep on their part. This wasn't a result of impatience on ignorance. This was the result of a system not performing as intended and giving unforeseeable advantages based upon the attempts by CCP to rectify the original mistake. There was no way to anticipate this and no use of your brain to prevent it. Your insults are completely baseless, and I suspect your understanding is possibly lacking based upon your failure to comprehend that.

LMAO "COULDN'T wait" & "brain more than instinct" Do some research with your brain instead of using your instinct to reply.

Why don't you just start these triple XP weeks on Wednesday when the cap is reset, CCP? Stop wasting time by creating problems unnecessarily that you then have to fix. Have you ever heard of the KISS principle? Keep It Simple Stupid (emphasis on Stupid)

Well, I agree with you on the first paragraph of your statement, but your assumption of me generating insults (and therefore, indirectly insulting me afterward with your "idea" that I didn't understand the principality of this matter) is far from correct. However, these are the forums, so I expect behavior like this out of spite. And for your assumption that there was no way to anticipate this, I think you may want to retract it and consider reading the thread a couple more times, because I'm not the only one here that knew there would be a foreseeable event to take advantage of. Regardless, this accident and how you perform your decision, is what incorporates the long-term advantage in Dust 514.

Anyway, I'll stop feeding the fire for a bit, and hop back on Dust, cause god knows, I have alot of SP to consider allocating...

I could very well be wrong about your understanding, but I can't retract the fact that your retorts of entitlement complexes, accusations of impatience, citing the usage of ones brain (which while it may not have been INTENDED as an insult, it clearly becomes one as it insinuates that a lack of intelligence or mental investment lead to the current situation) , and the final quote citing preparation all become salt in the wounds of those who, through no fault of their own, became the victims of someone else' mistake.

As far as the thread, I have read it. Again, on Wednesday there was no potential advantage to waiting save play time as the error which occurred during Thursday's downtime was unable to be anticipated. When chance and/or the errors of others falls in your favor it is in no way a sign of superior activity or planning on your part. Your only claim is that you profited by waiting. This is correct, but lets not pretend you outsmarted the system to any extent. You got lucky. Plain and simple. Remember, the reset you are currently taking advantage of was never intended to happen, couldn't have been anticipated on Wednesday, and shouldn't have had any affect on total potential SP gains. I, like you, am getting more than I would have since I did not cap Wednesday, but I am under no illusions of superiority based upon the outcome.

Well, to end an argument, I definitely don't have any "illusions of superiority" (not that you were discretely implying that), but I have to agree with you to an extent. I feel that the only part of this SP exploit scenario that was under our control was saving our SP cap for Thursday by not playing on Wednesday, while the reset on SP cap for Friday was unpredictable by anyone's part. I am only arguing the first portion of the scenario.

I will say this though; I feel that since the cap was reset on Friday downtime, the amount of SP they COULD have gotten before the downtime should be added on top of the cap that was reset on Friday.

P.S.: Thanks for being very mature about getting your point across in your argument; It's nice to see a rational arguer as supposed to a person who tries to get their point across by leaving the Caps Lock on.

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I find it ironic that you are producing that statement, but simultaneously complaining about this event on the forums; Who here has truly not used their brain to a reasonable extent?

I demand 571,200 SP be credited to my character.

From what I am reading, I think you may want to cap before downtime. I think your cap (unadjusted) will be put up to 190,400 regardless of its position before downtime hits. If I were you guys (especially the ones in the European timezone), I would grind right now and get as much SP as you can in the next couple hours until downtime hits. Once downtime hits, you have almost a whole week to get all that SP taken care of. This way, you can get as much as possible out of the Triple-SP-Double-Cap-Week that is currently going on.

For those who are newer to the game and are not doing anything, but want to reinforce their position in a higher standing (relative to SP), you should immediately get off these forums and start unloading some hot lead into some Reds... Right now.

Downtime is only a few/couple hours away.

I thought those that spent the mistaken isk ended up with negative wallets? Also if you looked at the intended process there should have no loss from playing on Wednesday, but there was because it didn't perform as intended, so neither of those situations supports your premise.

CCP needs to add the missing SP to this week's cap for those who played on Wednesday.

P.S. Is it correct to assume that those who didn't cap out between the start of the event and the latest reset missed even more SP?

no, they do not

originally any SP earned wed was not supposed to affect the event's total gainable SP, there was an error in the script that made the previously gained SP from wed reduce the total number of gainable 3x SP on Thursday so CCP fixed that and reset everyone's gainable SP amount Friday morning.

some players benefited from CCP's error, others didn't, bottom line is that everyone got at least a clean start for 3x sp as was originally intended for Thursday's DT after Friday morning's DT.

Nothing personal to any one, but the whole "they got 2 lollipops and I only got one" thing is... well, you know...

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Bill

This mistake was made by CCP, not by the players, therefore it should be corrected. It's one thing not to allow respecs for players who spent their SP unwisely (player error), for example, but arguing that a mistake made by CCP (developer error) should not be corrected is quite ridiculous. Are there really players who think that planning around CCP's mistakes should be a part of Dust's gameplay?

They (CCP) corrected their mistake, however that doesn't mean that player(s) who decided to play or not to play for whatever reason and whatever time period are "entitled" to something that they would not have otherwise received does it?

They (CCP) corrected their mistake, however that doesn't mean that player(s) who decided to play or not to play for whatever reason and whatever time period are "entitled" to something that they would not have otherwise received is it?

And as for bcs1a's claim that my complaint is childish, it's presumptuous of you to assume that it has anything to do with entitlement or jealousy, and furthermore serves to illustrate your lack of understanding of this issue.

Rohlen's comment was in fact correct and please don't assume that my view of folks acting childish or as though they are entitled was directed solely at you because it wasn't.

The fact is, CCP did make a mistake in that there was an error in one of their scripts, which in fact means that they didn't really "make a mistake" in the normal sense of things, just that there was an unintended side-effect of that script and some folks benefited from it, they fixed the error that handicapped a few players` gainable sp Thursday on Friday's DT, and the majority of the complaints in here are that now some folks got more boosted sp than others and that that's somehow unfair, which goes back to my point, just because some players benefited from a mistake does not mean that all players are entitled to do so as well.

a Player, or number of players report to CCP that they did not get any bonus SP or that they had a reduced amount.
CCP investigates the issue, finds and fixes the script and issues a fix for Friday's DT that resets everyone's gainable sp cap to what it was supposed to have been Thursday morning

Friday:
Everyone logs in to find that they are able to gain the proper amount of 3x sp now

The forums are replete with people claiming that they missed out on something that they should have gotten...

...others like you are saying that CCP should raise the gainable cap to cover what you missed from the error in the script, so very simply put, some people benefited from the script error, some did not, but, no one is entitled to benefit from it and CCP's fix Friday morning ensured that everyone was able to take advantage of the 3x SP event as was the original intent for Thursday morning.

What CCP should do, if anything, is revert the sp that anyone gained from the error on Thursday back to what it would have been had there been no event...

...and while "childish" and "entitled" may not be the most appropriate descriptive terms, they are fairly accurate.

I still do not believe there is any merit to this opinion, regardless of who it was directed at.


I think giving everyone the same cap as those who benefitted more is the only reasonable course of action at this point. Removing the extra SP would anger those who played for it, and leaving things as is will anger those who lost potential SP gains.


That might have seemed like a good idea on paper, but in practice all it did was cause more issues.


Because they did.


You say no one is entitled to benefit from the script error, but that's exactly what happened. When we learned of the script error, CCP told us they would fix it. Fair enough, I thought. However, their attempt to do so allowed some players, myself included, to benefit even further from the event, while those who did not cap out before downtime missed a LOT of potential SP gains. To make matters worse, the error they were trying to correct wasn't actually fixed. I could show you some calculations to back up these arguments, if you like.


That's one option, but I don't think players would be pleased to lose SP they spent hours to get.


They are neither appropriately descriptive nor accurate, and I think it's you who is being childish by continuing to stand behind those words. As a matter of fact, I think your arguments demonstrate a severe lack of critical thinking.

Yes, I do, and to further prove my point let me quote you:
"The end result is the same: some players got more SP than they were meant to have, but since it has already been earned, the only reasonable thing to do is give everyone else the chance to get that extra SP."

entitlement mentality... and exactly what I said when I said people feel like they are entitled to benefit from the mistake too.

Thank you for agreeing with my statement finally.

...and complaining about it, demanding SP be added to their account is childish... I will not repeat that again.

lastly, remember when someone exploited a piece of code the ran the back end of the servers causing a multitude of DT and network issues?
CCP stated that there would be compensation for both EvE and dust players...
EvE players (of whom I have been one for years) received compensation, as of the writing of this response, I have not seen, noticed or been notified of anything for my dust accounts.

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how exactly am i a fool for saying that the expectation that everyone should benefit from the error just because a few did is an entitlement mentality?, that's exactly what it is.
Definition of ENTITLEMENT
1
a : the state or condition of being entitled : right
b : a right to benefits specified especially by law or contract
2
: a government program providing benefits to members of a specified group; also : funds supporting or distributed by such a program
3
: belief that one is deserving of or entitled to certain privileges

#1a and 3 is exactly what I'm talking about, in this case, the same amount of sp that others gained by accident.

read the thread, is it not childish to demand they be given something they shouldn't have gotten in the first place?

you don't have to agree with me, I've raised enough kids to know when someone is being childish and when they are not.

offering an alternate solution is one thing, making demands is another even if those demands are veiled in polite rhetoric.

as to the other issue, it's not been that long ago, i don't have the link to the thread saved i don't think and no, they didn't say, EvE players got 50k SP no one (again to my knowledge) has ever said what the compensation for Dust players would be.

here it is (i looked for it) https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=84318

"We will be looking at ways to compensate players in both EVE and DUST for the outage and expect to announce what that compensation will be very soon."

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Bill

as to the other issue, it's not been that long ago, i don't have the link to the thread saved i don't think and no, they didn't say, EvE players got 50k SP no one (again to my knowledge) has ever said what the compensation for Dust players would be.

here it is (i looked for it) https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=84318

"We will be looking at ways to compensate players in both EVE and DUST for the outage and expect to announce what that compensation will be very soon."

Read this thread: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=940392#post940392

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Bill


I grasp the entire concept completely

The Triple SP event ends in an hour, and it doesn't seem like CCP has any intention of eliminating the SP gap that they created last week. This is very disappointing.

You mean: it is disappointing that they did not let you have 9x sp instead just 6x sp? :P