Why don't you just start these triple XP weeks on Wednesday when the cap is reset, CCP? Stop wasting time by creating problems unnecessarily that you then have to fix. Have you ever heard of the KISS principle? Keep It Simple Stupid (emphasis on Stupid)

Well, I agree with you on the first paragraph of your statement, but your assumption of me generating insults (and therefore, indirectly insulting me afterward with your "idea" that I didn't understand the principality of this matter) is far from correct. However, these are the forums, so I expect behavior like this out of spite. And for your assumption that there was no way to anticipate this, I think you may want to retract it and consider reading the thread a couple more times, because I'm not the only one here that knew there would be a foreseeable event to take advantage of. Regardless, this accident and how you perform your decision, is what incorporates the long-term advantage in Dust 514.

Anyway, I'll stop feeding the fire for a bit, and hop back on Dust, cause god knows, I have alot of SP to consider allocating...

I could very well be wrong about your understanding, but I can't retract the fact that your retorts of entitlement complexes, accusations of impatience, citing the usage of ones brain (which while it may not have been INTENDED as an insult, it clearly becomes one as it insinuates that a lack of intelligence or mental investment lead to the current situation) , and the final quote citing preparation all become salt in the wounds of those who, through no fault of their own, became the victims of someone else' mistake.

As far as the thread, I have read it. Again, on Wednesday there was no potential advantage to waiting save play time as the error which occurred during Thursday's downtime was unable to be anticipated. When chance and/or the errors of others falls in your favor it is in no way a sign of superior activity or planning on your part. Your only claim is that you profited by waiting. This is correct, but lets not pretend you outsmarted the system to any extent. You got lucky. Plain and simple. Remember, the reset you are currently taking advantage of was never intended to happen, couldn't have been anticipated on Wednesday, and shouldn't have had any affect on total potential SP gains. I, like you, am getting more than I would have since I did not cap Wednesday, but I am under no illusions of superiority based upon the outcome.

Well, to end an argument, I definitely don't have any "illusions of superiority" (not that you were discretely implying that), but I have to agree with you to an extent. I feel that the only part of this SP exploit scenario that was under our control was saving our SP cap for Thursday by not playing on Wednesday, while the reset on SP cap for Friday was unpredictable by anyone's part. I am only arguing the first portion of the scenario.

I will say this though; I feel that since the cap was reset on Friday downtime, the amount of SP they COULD have gotten before the downtime should be added on top of the cap that was reset on Friday.

P.S.: Thanks for being very mature about getting your point across in your argument; It's nice to see a rational arguer as supposed to a person who tries to get their point across by leaving the Caps Lock on.

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I find it ironic that you are producing that statement, but simultaneously complaining about this event on the forums; Who here has truly not used their brain to a reasonable extent?

I demand 571,200 SP be credited to my character.

From what I am reading, I think you may want to cap before downtime. I think your cap (unadjusted) will be put up to 190,400 regardless of its position before downtime hits. If I were you guys (especially the ones in the European timezone), I would grind right now and get as much SP as you can in the next couple hours until downtime hits. Once downtime hits, you have almost a whole week to get all that SP taken care of. This way, you can get as much as possible out of the Triple-SP-Double-Cap-Week that is currently going on.

For those who are newer to the game and are not doing anything, but want to reinforce their position in a higher standing (relative to SP), you should immediately get off these forums and start unloading some hot lead into some Reds... Right now.

Downtime is only a few/couple hours away.

I thought those that spent the mistaken isk ended up with negative wallets? Also if you looked at the intended process there should have no loss from playing on Wednesday, but there was because it didn't perform as intended, so neither of those situations supports your premise.

CCP needs to add the missing SP to this week's cap for those who played on Wednesday.

P.S. Is it correct to assume that those who didn't cap out between the start of the event and the latest reset missed even more SP?

no, they do not

originally any SP earned wed was not supposed to affect the event's total gainable SP, there was an error in the script that made the previously gained SP from wed reduce the total number of gainable 3x SP on Thursday so CCP fixed that and reset everyone's gainable SP amount Friday morning.

some players benefited from CCP's error, others didn't, bottom line is that everyone got at least a clean start for 3x sp as was originally intended for Thursday's DT after Friday morning's DT.

Nothing personal to any one, but the whole "they got 2 lollipops and I only got one" thing is... well, you know...

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Bill

This mistake was made by CCP, not by the players, therefore it should be corrected. It's one thing not to allow respecs for players who spent their SP unwisely (player error), for example, but arguing that a mistake made by CCP (developer error) should not be corrected is quite ridiculous. Are there really players who think that planning around CCP's mistakes should be a part of Dust's gameplay?

They (CCP) corrected their mistake, however that doesn't mean that player(s) who decided to play or not to play for whatever reason and whatever time period are "entitled" to something that they would not have otherwise received does it?

They (CCP) corrected their mistake, however that doesn't mean that player(s) who decided to play or not to play for whatever reason and whatever time period are "entitled" to something that they would not have otherwise received is it?

And as for bcs1a's claim that my complaint is childish, it's presumptuous of you to assume that it has anything to do with entitlement or jealousy, and furthermore serves to illustrate your lack of understanding of this issue.

Rohlen's comment was in fact correct and please don't assume that my view of folks acting childish or as though they are entitled was directed solely at you because it wasn't.

The fact is, CCP did make a mistake in that there was an error in one of their scripts, which in fact means that they didn't really "make a mistake" in the normal sense of things, just that there was an unintended side-effect of that script and some folks benefited from it, they fixed the error that handicapped a few players` gainable sp Thursday on Friday's DT, and the majority of the complaints in here are that now some folks got more boosted sp than others and that that's somehow unfair, which goes back to my point, just because some players benefited from a mistake does not mean that all players are entitled to do so as well.

a Player, or number of players report to CCP that they did not get any bonus SP or that they had a reduced amount.
CCP investigates the issue, finds and fixes the script and issues a fix for Friday's DT that resets everyone's gainable sp cap to what it was supposed to have been Thursday morning

Friday:
Everyone logs in to find that they are able to gain the proper amount of 3x sp now

The forums are replete with people claiming that they missed out on something that they should have gotten...

...others like you are saying that CCP should raise the gainable cap to cover what you missed from the error in the script, so very simply put, some people benefited from the script error, some did not, but, no one is entitled to benefit from it and CCP's fix Friday morning ensured that everyone was able to take advantage of the 3x SP event as was the original intent for Thursday morning.

What CCP should do, if anything, is revert the sp that anyone gained from the error on Thursday back to what it would have been had there been no event...

...and while "childish" and "entitled" may not be the most appropriate descriptive terms, they are fairly accurate.

I still do not believe there is any merit to this opinion, regardless of who it was directed at.


I think giving everyone the same cap as those who benefitted more is the only reasonable course of action at this point. Removing the extra SP would anger those who played for it, and leaving things as is will anger those who lost potential SP gains.


That might have seemed like a good idea on paper, but in practice all it did was cause more issues.


Because they did.


You say no one is entitled to benefit from the script error, but that's exactly what happened. When we learned of the script error, CCP told us they would fix it. Fair enough, I thought. However, their attempt to do so allowed some players, myself included, to benefit even further from the event, while those who did not cap out before downtime missed a LOT of potential SP gains. To make matters worse, the error they were trying to correct wasn't actually fixed. I could show you some calculations to back up these arguments, if you like.


That's one option, but I don't think players would be pleased to lose SP they spent hours to get.


They are neither appropriately descriptive nor accurate, and I think it's you who is being childish by continuing to stand behind those words. As a matter of fact, I think your arguments demonstrate a severe lack of critical thinking.

Yes, I do, and to further prove my point let me quote you:
"The end result is the same: some players got more SP than they were meant to have, but since it has already been earned, the only reasonable thing to do is give everyone else the chance to get that extra SP."

entitlement mentality... and exactly what I said when I said people feel like they are entitled to benefit from the mistake too.

Thank you for agreeing with my statement finally.

...and complaining about it, demanding SP be added to their account is childish... I will not repeat that again.

lastly, remember when someone exploited a piece of code the ran the back end of the servers causing a multitude of DT and network issues?
CCP stated that there would be compensation for both EvE and dust players...
EvE players (of whom I have been one for years) received compensation, as of the writing of this response, I have not seen, noticed or been notified of anything for my dust accounts.

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