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bcs1a
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Posted - 2013.07.06 02:50:00 -
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2100 Angels wrote:I demand 571,200 SP be credited to my character.
don't hold your breath...
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bcs1a
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Posted - 2013.07.06 09:34:00 -
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Not to sound aloof, or as though I have some insight that no one else has... (because I don't)... Let me pose this thought to you who complain that you missed an opportunity.
After spending many years in New Eden, I have learned that the one thing to remember is that each action in EvE and by extension Dust has consequences...
I didn't read the original post, but I played wed because I would have played then anyway, I also heard the scuttlebutt about the 3x SP event for the 4th until the 10th. and played on the 4th because I would have played anyway,,,
I got down to around 100k left yesterday and logged because I was tired knowing that when I played today, I would have another 150K or so SP i could earn before I started getting WP conversions and that those would be easier to get to 1K because of the tripling of the conversion up to the 1K cap (IE 400 wp would = 1000sp @ 400 x 3 = 1200, but capped at 1000)
I was of course greatly surprised to see the higher limit today (and glad) however, I would not be in this position had the consequences of my actions not placed me here.
That's the wonderful thing about EvE and Dust, just like real life, you win some, and you lose some, and you hopefully learn and go on wiser from the experience...
o/
Bill
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bcs1a
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Posted - 2013.07.06 23:18:00 -
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Canaan Knute wrote:CCP needs to add the missing SP to this week's cap for those who played on Wednesday.
no, they do not
Canaan Knute wrote:P.S. Is it correct to assume that those who didn't cap out between the start of the event and the latest reset missed even more SP?
originally any SP earned wed was not supposed to affect the event's total gainable SP, there was an error in the script that made the previously gained SP from wed reduce the total number of gainable 3x SP on Thursday so CCP fixed that and reset everyone's gainable SP amount Friday morning.
some players benefited from CCP's error, others didn't, bottom line is that everyone got at least a clean start for 3x sp as was originally intended for Thursday's DT after Friday morning's DT.
Nothing personal to any one, but the whole "they got 2 lollipops and I only got one" thing is... well, you know...
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bcs1a
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Posted - 2013.07.07 05:55:00 -
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Rohlen Bluntz wrote: They (CCP) corrected their mistake, however that doesn't mean that player(s) who decided to play or not to play for whatever reason and whatever time period are "entitled" to something that they would not have otherwise received does it?
iftfy 
Exactly, and no, it doesn't mean that just because a few folks benefited from CCP's mistake that everyone is "entitled" to... which was my exact point in the first place and why the whole complaint about it was childish from the start..
o/
Bill
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bcs1a
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Posted - 2013.07.07 17:50:00 -
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Canaan Knute wrote:And as for bcs1a's claim that my complaint is childish, it's presumptuous of you to assume that it has anything to do with entitlement or jealousy, and furthermore serves to illustrate your lack of understanding of this issue.
Rohlen's comment was in fact correct and please don't assume that my view of folks acting childish or as though they are entitled was directed solely at you because it wasn't.
The fact is, CCP did make a mistake in that there was an error in one of their scripts, which in fact means that they didn't really "make a mistake" in the normal sense of things, just that there was an unintended side-effect of that script and some folks benefited from it, they fixed the error that handicapped a few players` gainable sp Thursday on Friday's DT, and the majority of the complaints in here are that now some folks got more boosted sp than others and that that's somehow unfair, which goes back to my point, just because some players benefited from a mistake does not mean that all players are entitled to do so as well.
Friday morning, CCP reset everyone's SP cap to what it should have been Thursday morning
Wednesday:
Player 1 caps on wed
Player 2 only makes a few SP on wed
player 3 doesn't play at all wed
Player 4 caps on wed
Thursday:
Player 1 affected by bug, only gets 3x sp up to wp cap of 1000 for the day, they play and gain whatever sp they end up getting.
Player 2 affected by bug has a reduced amount of 3x sp available, they play and gain whatever sp they end up getting.
player 3 has full amount of 3x sp available,, they play and gain whatever sp they end up getting.
Player 4 not affected by the bug, so they have the full amount available, they play and gain whatever sp they end up getting.
a Player, or number of players report to CCP that they did not get any bonus SP or that they had a reduced amount.
CCP investigates the issue, finds and fixes the script and issues a fix for Friday's DT that resets everyone's gainable sp cap to what it was supposed to have been Thursday morning
Friday:
Everyone logs in to find that they are able to gain the proper amount of 3x sp now
The forums are replete with people claiming that they missed out on something that they should have gotten, one guy even demanded that CCP credit his character the 571,200 sp that he "missed" LOLOLOLOL, others like you are saying that CCP should raise the gainable cap to cover what you missed from the error in the script, so very simply put, some people benefited from the script error, some did not, but, no one is entitled to benefit from it and CCP's fix Friday morning ensured that everyone was able to take advantage of the 3x SP event as was the original intent for Thursday morning.
What CCP should do, if anything, is revert the sp that anyone gained from the error on Thursday back to what it would have been had there been no event, and while "childish" and "entitled" may not be the most appropriate descriptive terms, they are fairly accurate.
o/
Bill
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bcs1a
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Posted - 2013.07.07 22:17:00 -
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Canaan Knute wrote:Quote:Rohlen's comment was in fact correct and please don't assume that my view of folks acting childish or as though they are entitled was directed solely at you because it wasn't.
I still do not believe there is any merit to this opinion, regardless of who it was directed at. Quote:The fact is, CCP did make a mistake in that there was an error in one of their scripts, which in fact means that they didn't really "make a mistake" in the normal sense of things, just that there was an unintended side-effect of that script and some folks benefited from it, they fixed the error that handicapped a few players` gainable sp Thursday on Friday's DT, and the majority of the complaints in here are that now some folks got more boosted sp than others and that that's somehow unfair, which goes back to my point, just because some players benefited from a mistake does not mean that all players are entitled to do so as well.
I think giving everyone the same cap as those who benefitted more is the only reasonable course of action at this point. Removing the extra SP would anger those who played for it, and leaving things as is will anger those who lost potential SP gains. Quote:a Player, or number of players report to CCP that they did not get any bonus SP or that they had a reduced amount.
CCP investigates the issue, finds and fixes the script and issues a fix for Friday's DT that resets everyone's gainable sp cap to what it was supposed to have been Thursday morning
That might have seemed like a good idea on paper, but in practice all it did was cause more issues. Quote:Friday:
Everyone logs in to find that they are able to gain the proper amount of 3x sp now
The forums are replete with people claiming that they missed out on something that they should have gotten...
Because they did. Quote:...others like you are saying that CCP should raise the gainable cap to cover what you missed from the error in the script, so very simply put, some people benefited from the script error, some did not, but, no one is entitled to benefit from it and CCP's fix Friday morning ensured that everyone was able to take advantage of the 3x SP event as was the original intent for Thursday morning.
You say no one is entitled to benefit from the script error, but that's exactly what happened. When we learned of the script error, CCP told us they would fix it. Fair enough, I thought. However, their attempt to do so allowed some players, myself included, to benefit even further from the event, while those who did not cap out before downtime missed a LOT of potential SP gains. To make matters worse, the error they were trying to correct wasn't actually fixed. I could show you some calculations to back up these arguments, if you like. Quote:What CCP should do, if anything, is revert the sp that anyone gained from the error on Thursday back to what it would have been had there been no event... That's one option, but I don't think players would be pleased to lose SP they spent hours to get. Quote:...and while "childish" and "entitled" may not be the most appropriate descriptive terms, they are fairly accurate.
They are neither appropriately descriptive nor accurate, and I think it's you who is being childish by continuing to stand behind those words. As a matter of fact, I think your arguments demonstrate a severe lack of critical thinking.
so many incorrect statements...
yes some folks missed out on the opportunity to benefit from the error, which when stated as though they should be allowed to only further backs up my statement that people are acting as though they are entitled, so again, accurate, and those throwing hissy fits over it are in fact being childish...
remember, the script error was not supposed to happen and the reset Friday morning was not supposed to happen... if critical thinking is to be involved, those factors must be included and the only rational outcome is for people to accept that what happened happened and/or CCP needs to revert the extra SP gained on Thursday regardless of how angry the players might get because of the original intent.
this isn't rocket science, it's super easy and the continued replies only reinforce my original position.
if someone's worried about people being mad over something they weren't supposed to have gotten in the first place?, then their priorities are screwed up
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Bill
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bcs1a
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Posted - 2013.07.07 22:25:00 -
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What people should be mad over (if anything) is that the promised compensation for the networking issues has never been stated or even materialized to the best of my knowledge. |
bcs1a
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Posted - 2013.07.07 23:15:00 -
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my other toon ^^ |
bcs1a
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Posted - 2013.07.07 23:59:00 -
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how exactly am i a fool for saying that the expectation that everyone should benefit from the error just because a few did is an entitlement mentality?, that's exactly what it is.
Definition of ENTITLEMENT
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a : the state or condition of being entitled : right
b : a right to benefits specified especially by law or contract
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: a government program providing benefits to members of a specified group; also : funds supporting or distributed by such a program
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: belief that one is deserving of or entitled to certain privileges
#1a and 3 is exactly what I'm talking about, in this case, the same amount of sp that others gained by accident.
read the thread, is it not childish to demand they be given something they shouldn't have gotten in the first place?
you don't have to agree with me, I've raised enough kids to know when someone is being childish and when they are not.
offering an alternate solution is one thing, making demands is another even if those demands are veiled in polite rhetoric.
as to the other issue, it's not been that long ago, i don't have the link to the thread saved i don't think and no, they didn't say, EvE players got 50k SP no one (again to my knowledge) has ever said what the compensation for Dust players would be.
here it is (i looked for it) https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=84318
"We will be looking at ways to compensate players in both EVE and DUST for the outage and expect to announce what that compensation will be very soon."
o/
Bill
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bcs1a
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Posted - 2013.07.07 23:59:00 -
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i must go to work...
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thanks for the convo.
Bill
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