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Canaan Knute Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention 23	Posted - 2013.07.06 22:31:00 - [1] - Quote My corporation decided to attack a district the day before the weekly reset, and the battle was set to happen Wednesday night. My initial plan was to avoid playing before the event started, but we were short-handed that night, so I had to participate. Since CCP assured us that we wouldn't lose SP by playing on Wednesday, I ran a couple of public matches in addition to the corp battle before logging out. I had roughly 150,000 SP left to earn when I stopped playing. If I'm not mistaken, the cap was supposed to be 571,200 after Wednesday's downtime, but mine was 421,200, give or take a few kredits. After checking the forums to find CCP's response and learning that this issue would be resolved in a day or two, I proceeded to play until I reached the cap. One downtime later, my cap was reset to 571,200. What was supposed to be a 3x SP event is now 6x, but those who earned skill points on Wednesday got less than those who didn't. This is what happened, right? If it is, then CCP needs to add the missing SP to this week's cap for those who played on Wednesday. P.S. Is it correct to assume that those who didn't cap out between the start of the event and the latest reset missed even more SP?
Canaan Knute Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention 23	Posted - 2013.07.06 23:36:00 - [2] - Quote bcs1a wrote: Canaan Knute wrote: CCP needs to add the missing SP to this week's cap for those who played on Wednesday. no, they do not Canaan Knute wrote: P.S. Is it correct to assume that those who didn't cap out between the start of the event and the latest reset missed even more SP? originally any SP earned wed was not supposed to affect the event's total gainable SP, there was an error in the script that made the previously gained SP from wed reduce the total number of gainable 3x SP on Thursday so CCP fixed that and reset everyone's gainable SP amount Friday morning. some players benefited from CCP's error, others didn't, bottom line is that everyone got at least a clean start for 3x sp as was originally intended for Thursday's DT after Friday morning's DT. Nothing personal to any one, but the whole "they got 2 lollipops and I only got one" thing is... well, you know... o/ Bill This mistake was made by CCP, not by the players, therefore it should be corrected. It's one thing not to allow respecs for players who spent their SP unwisely (player error), for example, but arguing that a mistake made by CCP (developer error) should not be corrected is quite ridiculous. Are there really players who think that planning around CCP's mistakes should be a part of Dust's gameplay?
Canaan Knute Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention 24	Posted - 2013.07.07 09:22:00 - [3] - Quote Rohlen Bluntz wrote: They (CCP) corrected their mistake, however that doesn't mean that player(s) who decided to play or not to play for whatever reason and whatever time period are "entitled" to something that they would not have otherwise received is it? Wrong. CCP attempted to correct its mistake, and instead made another one. You seem to be under the impression that I'm asking for the missed SP (and by this I mean the SP that all players were meant to have, but which only some of them got) to be added to my lifetime total. In fact, I only want CCP to raise the cap by the amount of SP that was missed for those of us who were unfortunate enough to be handicapped (not exactly the word I was looking for, but I couldn't find a more suitable one) because of CCP's mistake. And as for bcs1a's claim that my complaint is childish, it's presumptuous of you to assume that it has anything to do with entitlement or jealousy, and furthermore serves to illustrate your lack of understanding of this issue.
Canaan Knute Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention 24	Posted - 2013.07.07 21:59:00 - [4] - Quote Quote: Rohlen's comment was in fact correct and please don't assume that my view of folks acting childish or as though they are entitled was directed solely at you because it wasn't. I still do not believe there is any merit to this opinion, regardless of who it was directed at. Quote: The fact is, CCP did make a mistake in that there was an error in one of their scripts, which in fact means that they didn't really "make a mistake" in the normal sense of things, just that there was an unintended side-effect of that script and some folks benefited from it, they fixed the error that handicapped a few players` gainable sp Thursday on Friday's DT, and the majority of the complaints in here are that now some folks got more boosted sp than others and that that's somehow unfair, which goes back to my point, just because some players benefited from a mistake does not mean that all players are entitled to do so as well. I think giving everyone the same cap as those who benefitted more is the only reasonable course of action at this point. Removing the extra SP would anger those who played for it, and leaving things as is will anger those who lost potential SP gains. Quote: a Player, or number of players report to CCP that they did not get any bonus SP or that they had a reduced amount. CCP investigates the issue, finds and fixes the script and issues a fix for Friday's DT that resets everyone's gainable sp cap to what it was supposed to have been Thursday morning That might have seemed like a good idea on paper, but in practice all it did was cause more issues. Quote: Friday: Everyone logs in to find that they are able to gain the proper amount of 3x sp now The forums are replete with people claiming that they missed out on something that they should have gotten... Because they did. Quote: ...others like you are saying that CCP should raise the gainable cap to cover what you missed from the error in the script, so very simply put, some people benefited from the script error, some did not, but, no one is entitled to benefit from it and CCP's fix Friday morning ensured that everyone was able to take advantage of the 3x SP event as was the original intent for Thursday morning. You say no one is entitled to benefit from the script error, but that's exactly what happened. When we learned of the script error, CCP told us they would fix it. Fair enough, I thought. However, their attempt to do so allowed some players, myself included, to benefit even further from the event, while those who did not cap out before downtime missed a LOT of potential SP gains. To make matters worse, the error they were trying to correct wasn't actually fixed. I could show you some calculations to back up these arguments, if you like. Quote: What CCP should do, if anything, is revert the sp that anyone gained from the error on Thursday back to what it would have been had there been no event... That's one option, but I don't think players would be pleased to lose SP they spent hours to get. Quote: ...and while "childish" and "entitled" may not be the most appropriate descriptive terms, they are fairly accurate. They are neither appropriately descriptive nor accurate, and I think it's you who is being childish by continuing to stand behind those words. As a matter of fact, I think your arguments demonstrate a severe lack of critical thinking.
Canaan Knute Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention 24	Posted - 2013.07.07 22:38:00 - [5] - Quote I'm sorry, but you do not. Your continued attempts to make people who are asking for the missed SP seem immature is even more so. I benefitted from this event more than others, to some extent, but I also lost potential SP on Thursday, so I can sympathize with those who have no way to gain the SP that others did. Those who gained extra SP should not have it taken away, but those who got less should have the remainder added to their cap. All this would do is give everyone the chance to earn the same amount of SP. The fact that all this was caused by an unexpected error is irrelevant. The end result is the same: some players got more SP than they were meant to have, but since it has already been earned, the only reasonable thing to do is give everyone else the chance to get that extra SP. EDIT: Compensation for networking issues? That's news to me. Where was it mentioned, and what networking issues are you talking about?
Canaan Knute Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention 24	Posted - 2013.07.07 23:39:00 - [6] - Quote Buster TWM wrote: Yes, I do, and to further prove my point let me quote you: "The end result is the same: some players got more SP than they were meant to have, but since it has already been earned, the only reasonable thing to do is give everyone else the chance to get that extra SP." entitlement mentality... and exactly what I said when I said people feel like they are entitled to benefit from the mistake too. Thank you for agreeing with my statement finally. You are a fool for interpreting my post as a sign of agreement, and an even greater one for thinking that my position is one of entitlement. I stand by my earlier assessment that your ability to think critically is severely lacking. Quote: ...and complaining about it, demanding SP be added to their account is childish... I will not repeat that again. So you're saying that this is a fact? I'm sorry, but I can't recognize it as such, no matter how often you repeat it. I have tried to back up my arguments to the best of my ability, but you're calling other players childish without providing any arguments to support this claim. Quote: lastly, remember when someone exploited a piece of code the ran the back end of the servers causing a multitude of DT and network issues? CCP stated that there would be compensation for both EvE and dust players... EvE players (of whom I have been one for years) received compensation, as of the writing of this response, I have not seen, noticed or been notified of anything for my dust accounts. o/ Did they tell us what kind of compensation we would get? I don't know if I was there when this happened. Was it before or after the Codex build?
Canaan Knute Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention 24	Posted - 2013.07.08 01:11:00 - [7] - Quote bcs1a wrote: how exactly am i a fool for saying that the expectation that everyone should benefit from the error just because a few did is an entitlement mentality?, that's exactly what it is. Definition of ENTITLEMENT 1 a : the state or condition of being entitled : right b : a right to benefits specified especially by law or contract 2 : a government program providing benefits to members of a specified group; also : funds supporting or distributed by such a program 3 : belief that one is deserving of or entitled to certain privileges #1a and 3 is exactly what I'm talking about, in this case, the same amount of sp that others gained by accident. read the thread, is it not childish to demand they be given something they shouldn't have gotten in the first place? I am not demanding anything. If that's the impression you got from my posts, then it's wrong. Read more carefully next time. Also, like I said so many times already, some players did get SP that they weren't meant to have, and here you are saying that it's perfectly OK for those who didn't to be left behind. This isn't an issue of jealousy or entitlement, it's an issue of balance. If someone starts playing Dust today and finds himself outmatched because of the SP difference, that's normal. It's the way EVE works, and is working as intended. But if a player who has roughly the same amount of SP as other veterans suddenly finds himself outclassed because of a mistake by CCP that they refuse or fail to correct, it's an entirely different situation, and one that deserves more scrutiny. The extra SP some players earned doesn't give them a significant advantage, but it's an advantage nonetheless. The problem isn't the advantage itself, but the way in which it was earned, and the fact that it is impossible for some players to make up the difference this week. Definitely not working as intended. Quote: you don't have to agree with me, I've raised enough kids to know when someone is being childish and when they are not. Respectfully, I think you place too much faith in your instincts, and I find your response to this so-called childish behaviour deplorable. Your posts are filled to the brim with arrogance, unwarranted scolding and dubious reasoning. Quote: offering an alternate solution is one thing, making demands is another even if those demands are veiled in polite rhetoric. Again, I made no demand. I did not order CCP to give us the extra SP. It is a request, nothing more. That being said, I firmly believe that leaving things as they are would be a terrible decision. Quote: as to the other issue, it's not been that long ago, i don't have the link to the thread saved i don't think and no, they didn't say, EvE players got 50k SP no one (again to my knowledge) has ever said what the compensation for Dust players would be. here it is (i looked for it) https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=84318 "We will be looking at ways to compensate players in both EVE and DUST for the outage and expect to announce what that compensation will be very soon." o/ Bill Thanks for the link. I'll look it up later (PC match coming up shortly). And in response to your follow-up post, you're welcome. I enjoyed this conversation, despite it getting a little heated.
Canaan Knute Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention 24	Posted - 2013.07.08 02:33:00 - [8] - Quote Aoena Rays wrote: bcs1a wrote: as to the other issue, it's not been that long ago, i don't have the link to the thread saved i don't think and no, they didn't say, EvE players got 50k SP no one (again to my knowledge) has ever said what the compensation for Dust players would be. here it is (i looked for it) https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=84318 "We will be looking at ways to compensate players in both EVE and DUST for the outage and expect to announce what that compensation will be very soon." Read this thread: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=940392#post940392 Ah, so that's what bcs1a was talking about. Yeah, CCP gave us a free booster because of the extended downtime. As a matter of fact, I still have it in my inventory.
Canaan Knute Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention 42	Posted - 2013.07.10 09:50:00 - [9] - Quote The Triple SP event ends in an hour, and it doesn't seem like CCP has any intention of eliminating the SP gap that they created last week. This is very disappointing.
Canaan Knute Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention 47	Posted - 2013.07.10 11:18:00 - [10] - Quote Aoena Rays wrote: Canaan Knute wrote: The Triple SP event ends in an hour, and it doesn't seem like CCP has any intention of eliminating the SP gap that they created last week. This is very disappointing. You mean: it is disappointing that they did not let you have 9x sp instead just 6x sp? :P I don't know what you mean. I don't think anybody got that much SP during this event.

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