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Canaan Knute Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention 24	Posted - 2013.07.08 01:11:00 - [91] - Quote bcs1a wrote: how exactly am i a fool for saying that the expectation that everyone should benefit from the error just because a few did is an entitlement mentality?, that's exactly what it is. Definition of ENTITLEMENT 1 a : the state or condition of being entitled : right b : a right to benefits specified especially by law or contract 2 : a government program providing benefits to members of a specified group; also : funds supporting or distributed by such a program 3 : belief that one is deserving of or entitled to certain privileges #1a and 3 is exactly what I'm talking about, in this case, the same amount of sp that others gained by accident. read the thread, is it not childish to demand they be given something they shouldn't have gotten in the first place? I am not demanding anything. If that's the impression you got from my posts, then it's wrong. Read more carefully next time. Also, like I said so many times already, some players did get SP that they weren't meant to have, and here you are saying that it's perfectly OK for those who didn't to be left behind. This isn't an issue of jealousy or entitlement, it's an issue of balance. If someone starts playing Dust today and finds himself outmatched because of the SP difference, that's normal. It's the way EVE works, and is working as intended. But if a player who has roughly the same amount of SP as other veterans suddenly finds himself outclassed because of a mistake by CCP that they refuse or fail to correct, it's an entirely different situation, and one that deserves more scrutiny. The extra SP some players earned doesn't give them a significant advantage, but it's an advantage nonetheless. The problem isn't the advantage itself, but the way in which it was earned, and the fact that it is impossible for some players to make up the difference this week. Definitely not working as intended. Quote: you don't have to agree with me, I've raised enough kids to know when someone is being childish and when they are not. Respectfully, I think you place too much faith in your instincts, and I find your response to this so-called childish behaviour deplorable. Your posts are filled to the brim with arrogance, unwarranted scolding and dubious reasoning. Quote: offering an alternate solution is one thing, making demands is another even if those demands are veiled in polite rhetoric. Again, I made no demand. I did not order CCP to give us the extra SP. It is a request, nothing more. That being said, I firmly believe that leaving things as they are would be a terrible decision. Quote: as to the other issue, it's not been that long ago, i don't have the link to the thread saved i don't think and no, they didn't say, EvE players got 50k SP no one (again to my knowledge) has ever said what the compensation for Dust players would be. here it is (i looked for it) https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=84318 "We will be looking at ways to compensate players in both EVE and DUST for the outage and expect to announce what that compensation will be very soon." o/ Bill Thanks for the link. I'll look it up later (PC match coming up shortly). And in response to your follow-up post, you're welcome. I enjoyed this conversation, despite it getting a little heated.
Aoena Rays Bragian Order Amarr Empire 269	Posted - 2013.07.08 01:14:00 - [92] - Quote bcs1a wrote: as to the other issue, it's not been that long ago, i don't have the link to the thread saved i don't think and no, they didn't say, EvE players got 50k SP no one (again to my knowledge) has ever said what the compensation for Dust players would be. here it is (i looked for it) https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=84318 "We will be looking at ways to compensate players in both EVE and DUST for the outage and expect to announce what that compensation will be very soon." Read this thread: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=940392#post940392
Canaan Knute Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention 24	Posted - 2013.07.08 02:33:00 - [93] - Quote Aoena Rays wrote: bcs1a wrote: as to the other issue, it's not been that long ago, i don't have the link to the thread saved i don't think and no, they didn't say, EvE players got 50k SP no one (again to my knowledge) has ever said what the compensation for Dust players would be. here it is (i looked for it) https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=84318 "We will be looking at ways to compensate players in both EVE and DUST for the outage and expect to announce what that compensation will be very soon." Read this thread: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=940392#post940392 Ah, so that's what bcs1a was talking about. Yeah, CCP gave us a free booster because of the extended downtime. As a matter of fact, I still have it in my inventory.
KEROSIINI-TERO Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 528	Posted - 2013.07.08 10:21:00 - [94] - Quote bcs1a wrote: . . . o/ Bill I grasp the entire concept completely You sir do not grasp the idea completely: You've missed that on top level, amongst most dedicated players, this is an arms race. A competition of sorts to keep up with everyone else - or be handicapped. On that basis anyone able to gain advantantage over others will most likely try to do that - I'm talking about exploiting. Game designers should work hard to keep that from happening. On the other hand, everyone tries to keep up with others, be as diligent to not to handicap yourself. Not to miss anything that is and should be available to everyone. That is cool and all, it's up to you keeping up with the pace. Now, here comes responsible game designers responsibility of keeping everything fair on that competition standpoint. I've always been about that not everything has to be fair: on the battlefield: weps, vehicles, specializations misc things: OB support, pricing, attack vs defend situations, other scenarios. But SP, that is the single most thing that sets the par. It's the one thing that paces the meta of the entire game. Yes, at some point it happens that new SP isn't as valuable as before (example getting from 30M ->31M vs 1M->2M). And so far it has seemed to be the CCP's intention to keep the SP race level and fair. On that background, complaining about the 3x event problem and a fix that also creates problems is valid.
Cross Bolt EEDiv Fraternity 0	Posted - 2013.07.09 23:56:00 - [95] - Quote At the end of the day, skill still outweighs skill points. If you're good at the game, you don't need to have every single skill unlocked, the best weapons etc. So some people got extra points, oh well.
Calroon DeVil Internal Error. League of Infamy 71	Posted - 2013.07.10 05:36:00 - [96] - Quote At least that was the idea, anyway. Of course, like so many other things, they couldn't get it quite right. What a shocker.
Canaan Knute Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention 42	Posted - 2013.07.10 09:50:00 - [97] - Quote The Triple SP event ends in an hour, and it doesn't seem like CCP has any intention of eliminating the SP gap that they created last week. This is very disappointing.
Aoena Rays Bragian Order Amarr Empire 301	Posted - 2013.07.10 11:08:00 - [98] - Quote Canaan Knute wrote: The Triple SP event ends in an hour, and it doesn't seem like CCP has any intention of eliminating the SP gap that they created last week. This is very disappointing. You mean: it is disappointing that they did not let you have 9x sp instead just 6x sp? :P
Canaan Knute Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention 47	Posted - 2013.07.10 11:18:00 - [99] - Quote Aoena Rays wrote: Canaan Knute wrote: The Triple SP event ends in an hour, and it doesn't seem like CCP has any intention of eliminating the SP gap that they created last week. This is very disappointing. You mean: it is disappointing that they did not let you have 9x sp instead just 6x sp? :P I don't know what you mean. I don't think anybody got that much SP during this event.


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