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stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 231	Posted - 2013.07.04 13:52:00 - [1] - Quote +1 to remove -1 to keep Feel free to give reasoning just don't troll just vote so CCP can see how we view them. +1 they make the skill of properly cooking grenades useless and gives people an I win button when they start losing a gunfight. Plus the fact that we already went through this in closed beta we didn't want them then and they were removed if you want to keep them in the merc pack then fine but completely remove them from the market.
richiesutie 2 Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS. 80	Posted - 2013.07.04 13:54:00 - [2] - Quote fine but as a refund for my merc pack nades i want 1000 aur a piece Edit:oops forgot a 0
Laurent Cazaderon What The French CRONOS. 1681	Posted - 2013.07.04 13:55:00 - [3] - Quote remove. End of discussion.
SoTa PoP Internal Error. 3137	Posted - 2013.07.04 13:57:00 - [4] - Quote +1 This game sucks enough without giving people a way to out to for being sucky - it's also a heavy anti-heavy weapon since it's impact radius is small and heavies are slow chances at landing a hit on us is way higher then other classes. Have you seen CB's with fast guys just chuckin' these things left and right? Bad players are starting to think they're good with these as there reasons why.
mr musturd A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 21	Posted - 2013.07.04 13:57:00 - [5] - Quote I wouldn't mind if they were flux contact nadez but as of now they're a bit ridiculous
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 231	Posted - 2013.07.04 13:59:00 - [6] - Quote mr musturd wrote: I wouldn't mind if they were flux contact nadez but as of now they're a bit ridiculous No because then contacy flux with flaylocks would be ridiculously overpowered.
General Regret PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 0	Posted - 2013.07.04 14:04:00 - [7] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: +1 to remove -1 to keep Feel free to give reasoning just don't troll, just vote so CCP can see how we view them. +1 they make the skill of properly cooking grenades useless and gives people an I win button when they start losing a gunfight. Plus the fact that we already went through this in closed beta we didn't want them then and they were removed if you want to keep them in the merc pack then fine but completely remove them from the market. LMAO UR THE GUY THAT JUST SENT ME HATE MAIL BECAUSE OF THEM - crybaby lol!!!!!
Haron Vathek Urban Mining Corp Gentlemen's.Club 12	Posted - 2013.07.04 14:05:00 - [8] - Quote +1 I'd say remove them if they do as much damage as now. Should the damage be lowered significantly or a contact grenade be given another utility (like say... slow for example) instead of damage I would consider keeping it in the game. - Haron Vathek
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 388	Posted - 2013.07.04 14:13:00 - [9] - Quote -1 Not that I love Contact Grenades. They're skill-less panic buttons. But then game has Mass Drivers and Flaylocks in it, and they're functionally identitical. I think Contact Grenades should be nerfed in damage/explosion radius to the point that they're balanced against Locus 'nades.
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 231	Posted - 2013.07.04 14:15:00 - [10] - Quote General Regret wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: +1 to remove -1 to keep Feel free to give reasoning just don't troll, just vote so CCP can see how we view them. +1 they make the skill of properly cooking grenades useless and gives people an I win button when they start losing a gunfight. Plus the fact that we already went through this in closed beta we didn't want them then and they were removed if you want to keep them in the merc pack then fine but completely remove them from the market. LMAO UR THE GUY THAT JUST SENT ME HATE MAIL BECAUSE OF THEM - crybaby lol!!!!! Not really hate mail just said "lol fused nade crutch" mainly because more than 1/2 your kills were from them.

Tectonious Falcon Phaze O n e 644	Posted - 2013.07.04 14:23:00 - [11] - Quote General Regret wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: +1 to remove -1 to keep Feel free to give reasoning just don't troll, just vote so CCP can see how we view them. +1 they make the skill of properly cooking grenades useless and gives people an I win button when they start losing a gunfight. Plus the fact that we already went through this in closed beta we didn't want them then and they were removed if you want to keep them in the merc pack then fine but completely remove them from the market. LMAO UR THE GUY THAT JUST SENT ME HATE MAIL BECAUSE OF THEM - crybaby lol!!!!! Sorry, if you use contact grenades no one cares.
SoTa PoP Internal Error. 3139	Posted - 2013.07.04 14:24:00 - [12] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: General Regret wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: +1 to remove -1 to keep Feel free to give reasoning just don't troll, just vote so CCP can see how we view them. +1 they make the skill of properly cooking grenades useless and gives people an I win button when they start losing a gunfight. Plus the fact that we already went through this in closed beta we didn't want them then and they were removed if you want to keep them in the merc pack then fine but completely remove them from the market. LMAO UR THE GUY THAT JUST SENT ME HATE MAIL BECAUSE OF THEM - crybaby lol!!!!! Not really hate mail just said "lol fused nade crutch" mainly because more than 1/2 your kills were from them. That qualifies as hate mail.
Prius Vecht Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 143	Posted - 2013.07.04 14:28:00 - [13] - Quote -5
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 233	Posted - 2013.07.04 14:28:00 - [14] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: General Regret wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: +1 to remove -1 to keep Feel free to give reasoning just don't troll, just vote so CCP can see how we view them. +1 they make the skill of properly cooking grenades useless and gives people an I win button when they start losing a gunfight. Plus the fact that we already went through this in closed beta we didn't want them then and they were removed if you want to keep them in the merc pack then fine but completely remove them from the market. LMAO UR THE GUY THAT JUST SENT ME HATE MAIL BECAUSE OF THEM - crybaby lol!!!!! Not really hate mail just said "lol fused nade crutch" mainly because more than 1/2 your kills were from them. That qualifies as hate mail. I see calling fused nades a crutch as the truth I said nothing hateful so I don't view it as hate mail but to each his own.
SoTa PoP Internal Error. 3139	Posted - 2013.07.04 14:31:00 - [15] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: General Regret wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: +1 to remove -1 to keep Feel free to give reasoning just don't troll, just vote so CCP can see how we view them. +1 they make the skill of properly cooking grenades useless and gives people an I win button when they start losing a gunfight. Plus the fact that we already went through this in closed beta we didn't want them then and they were removed if you want to keep them in the merc pack then fine but completely remove them from the market. LMAO UR THE GUY THAT JUST SENT ME HATE MAIL BECAUSE OF THEM - crybaby lol!!!!! Not really hate mail just said "lol fused nade crutch" mainly because more than 1/2 your kills were from them. That qualifies as hate mail. I see calling fused nades a crutch as the truth I said nothing hateful so I don't view it as hate mail but to each his own. calling out anyone for using what's in front of him and sending a message regarding it = hate mail.
WhiteMage7322 Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 103	Posted - 2013.07.04 14:34:00 - [16] - Quote +1 but nerf them. Make them the same damage as the standard grenades.
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 233	Posted - 2013.07.04 14:37:00 - [17] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: calling out anyone for using what's in front of him and sending a message regarding it = hate mail. Ok dude whatever let's get back on topic.
mr musturd A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 22	Posted - 2013.07.04 14:58:00 - [18] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: mr musturd wrote: I wouldn't mind if they were flux contact nadez but as of now they're a bit ridiculous No because then contacy flux with flaylocks would be ridiculously overpowered. Would it really be that much of a difference blast radius on flux nadez is already pretty big at least if they did damage to only shields you would Have a chance to run. I run minmitar scout one contact nade instakills me where as if it only damaged shields I'd at least have a chance
Den-tredje Baron ParagonX 155	Posted - 2013.07.04 15:11:00 - [19] - Quote -1
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 599	Posted - 2013.07.04 15:11:00 - [20] - Quote Hm players calling contact nades a crutch Yet swarm launchers are a crutch to kill vehicles with yet its okay

echo47 Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 22	Posted - 2013.07.04 22:43:00 - [21] - Quote -1 I enjoy the "crutch".
Queen of Uranus Dust 514 Forum Trolls 59	Posted - 2013.07.04 22:49:00 - [22] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: -1 Not that I love Contact Grenades. They're skill-less panic buttons. But then game has Mass Drivers and Flaylocks in it, and they're functionally identitical. I think Contact Grenades should be nerfed in damage/explosion radius to the point that they're balanced against Locus 'nades. This^ If you take panic nades take noob tubes and noob pistols as well. Only right.
Kara Macmillian Algintal Core Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2013.07.04 22:56:00 - [23] - Quote Hate them, remove. Edit: -1
Colonel Killar DUST CORE DARKSTAR ARMY 102	Posted - 2013.07.04 22:59:00 - [24] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: +1 to remove -1 to keep Feel free to give reasoning just don't troll, just vote so CCP can see how we view them. +1 they make the skill of properly cooking grenades useless and gives people an I win button when they start losing a gunfight. Plus the fact that we already went through this in closed beta we didn't want them then and they were removed if you want to keep them in the merc pack then fine but completely remove them from the market. +1
Xender17 Intrepidus XI Omega Commission 198	Posted - 2013.07.04 23:00:00 - [25] - Quote -1 Power of 3 shotguns with a blast radius...
Omen Astrul Red Star. EoN. 66	Posted - 2013.07.04 23:28:00 - [26] - Quote +1
Parson Atreides Ahrendee Mercenaries Omega Commission 412	Posted - 2013.07.04 23:38:00 - [27] - Quote For those confused: +1 means you want to remove them -1 means you want them to stay in the game In my opinion, they should be removed. If CCP made an actual ISK equivalent of the Fused Locus (instead of the much worse Level 5 ISK contact grenade) that had the same damage, blast radius, and PG/CPU cost, everyone would see how overpowered these are because no one would even bother to use their guns anymore. It's like when every grenade in the game had a 1.5 second fuse timer without cooking--they changed that pretty quickly because that's all anyone used. It's an "I win" button for any time someone is losing a 1v1 fight and can't be bothered to actually use skill. Right now Fused Locus grenades the only item in the game I believe to be pay-to-win.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 147	Posted - 2013.07.04 23:47:00 - [28] - Quote keep
Eris Ernaga Super Nerds 267	Posted - 2013.07.05 00:00:00 - [29] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: +1 to remove -1 to keep Feel free to give reasoning just don't troll, just vote so CCP can see how we view them. +1 they make the skill of properly cooking grenades useless and gives people an I win button when they start losing a gunfight. Plus the fact that we already went through this in closed beta we didn't want them then and they were removed if you want to keep them in the merc pack then fine but completely remove them from the market. I'd keep them because they make infantry grenades worth something besides their splash is pretty terrible I threw one right at a heavy and he was engulfed in the grenades explosion yet took no damage. Plus before 1.2 I had killed my self with them many times and in 1.2 I still kill my self every once in a while. There not that op there just really good against people who haven't stacked shield and armor like scouts. Scouts keep trynna be frontline and it obviously isn't working. If you know some one has contact grenades get at a distance and pick him off.
Kushmir Nadian Valor Coalition RISE of LEGION 295	Posted - 2013.07.05 00:25:00 - [30] - Quote -1 they have to go, PERIOD. If they stay I predict most of the hardcore playerbase leaves...and can you blame them? Had a good player I respect use them against me today in CQC at 3m. I'm sorry but that cant be what CCP intended. I REFUSE TO BELIEVE THAT. Hate to say it, but when people are using grenades in CQC you've FAILED as a game designer.

DeadlyAztec11 Max-Pain-inc 628	Posted - 2013.07.05 00:25:00 - [31] - Quote -1 Always fun to see new stuff be implemented ^_^ Reminds me of C4 from COD.
Tolen Rosas Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 223	Posted - 2013.07.05 00:31:00 - [32] - Quote -1 grenades should need to be equipped first anyway. If people bunnyhopping and shooting wasnt bad enough grenades at 5m is even worse.
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic Top Men. 49	Posted - 2013.07.05 00:39:00 - [33] - Quote Getting confused I'm seeing +1s with "I love these RAWR!" & -1s with "These are OP crutch weapon but apparently I want them in game still." +1 (I want these removed) for me. I think a nice balance is a grenade with a low fuse time (like 2 secs) that does lower dmg. This still makes cooking skill based and goes away from panic throw immediately switch weapons and murder you.
Deluxe Edition TeamPlayers EoN. 439	Posted - 2013.07.05 00:46:00 - [34] - Quote For anyone to ever seriously consider choosing an armor tanked race they need to be removed. +1
DRDEEZENUTSZ TWOpointo Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 32	Posted - 2013.07.05 00:52:00 - [35] - Quote 1+ requires now skill.
Roark Vikrizi The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 0	Posted - 2013.07.05 00:58:00 - [36] - Quote +1 even though I don't get killed by them often I don't think they should be in game. Like another poster said they should just add a grenade with a shorter fuse.
Justin Tymes Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 179	Posted - 2013.07.05 00:59:00 - [37] - Quote -1. As a Logibro with an Assault MD, I need Thunkers to handle the people my radar can't pick up right away or I'm ******.
RoundEy3 Metal Mind Industries 166	Posted - 2013.07.05 01:09:00 - [38] - Quote -1 Keep them Honestly as much as I hate being killed by them, I really enjoy using them in certain situations.
STEALTH HUNTER ZERO D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 0	Posted - 2013.07.05 02:07:00 - [39] - Quote +1 Remove these no skill nades! If you cant cook regular locus grenades properly to perform almost the same action you deserve to suck. This weapon completely takes skill and fun out of a fight. If someone can cook a locus grenade and nail me with it then I can respect that but these ones you don't have to cook and be cautious with are noob tube weapons for the unskilled.
hooc roht Deep Space Republic Top Men. 202	Posted - 2013.07.05 02:14:00 - [40] - Quote 0 Are they expensive? If they are expensive then keep. If cheap then remove.

The Cobra Commander Bojo's School of the Trades 55	Posted - 2013.07.05 03:14:00 - [41] - Quote Remove them...
Tharak Meuridiar The Empyrean Agency 107	Posted - 2013.07.05 03:46:00 - [42] - Quote 0 Keep them in, keep the damage high, lower the blast radius, make them come in militia, standard, and advanced variants. Then you have high blast radius decent damage grenades that need to be cooked or can just be tossed into large clusters of enemies, and high damage low blast radius grenades. Both of them require skill, and both are better at different situations.
DRDEEZENUTSZ TWOpointo Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 35	Posted - 2013.07.05 03:52:00 - [43] - Quote Remove them make the care bears cook their nades.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 399	Posted - 2013.07.05 04:09:00 - [44] - Quote I say +1 to keep until flaylock is nerfed then remove it, the reason being is I am an armor logistics suit and the only way for me to counter a flaylock is with fused locus grenades.
Adelia Lafayette DUST University Ivy League 86	Posted - 2013.07.05 04:14:00 - [45] - Quote remove or balance the aurum version with the proto.
General Technique Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 84	Posted - 2013.07.05 04:22:00 - [46] - Quote Right after you remove the bunny hopping shotgun scouts from the game, feel free to take out my "counter" grenades.
Chris F2112 187. League of Infamy 222	Posted - 2013.07.05 04:24:00 - [47] - Quote Reduce the damage on them to 300 or 250 and only let players hold 2. It will force them to use other weapons for their kills without completely removing them from the game. They don't need to be removed, but they definitely need to do significantly less damage than a standard grenade.
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 235	Posted - 2013.07.06 20:04:00 - [48] - Quote Current vote totals Remove: 19 Keep: 11 Nerf: 5
Bleeding Knight Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 0	Posted - 2013.07.06 20:19:00 - [49] - Quote I believe we should stop selling them and not mess with the stats. And never sell them again.
Vrain Matari ZionTCD 584	Posted - 2013.07.06 23:16:00 - [50] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: -1 Not that I love Contact Grenades. They're skill-less panic buttons. But then game has Mass Drivers and Flaylocks in it, and they're functionally identitical. I think Contact Grenades should be nerfed in damage/explosion radius to the point that they're balanced against Locus 'nades. -1 also. Just to put things in context, i flat-out refuse to use contact grenades. I like to earn what i take. Aaaaand....the hypocrisy confession: i do use the flaylock, but that's because i'm a sentimental Minmatar loyalist - been a big smg user up to now. I like Distubingly Bored's take on this, it touches all the bases. In terms of damage, i want to see contact grenades unable to one-shot a STD suit with an average tank - maybe doing 50% of the total EHP of said STD suit. This way contact 'nades would still be useful as finishers and still be worth carrying, but other 'nades like flux or the M1 Locus would be worth consideration for their flexibility. But I also like: Haron Vathek wrote: +1 I'd say remove them if they do as much damage as now. Should the damage be lowered significantly or a contact grenade be given another utility (like say... slow for example) instead of damage I would consider keeping it in the game. - Haron Vathek I'd like to see gameplay enriched by these grenades, something like contact grenades that do half the damage of the basic contact 'nades but have added functionality that makes sense for a contact weapon. Some ideas: VNGs(Viral Nanite Grenades) 25% STD suit EHP damage, and viral nanites that temporarily suppress or reverse the shieild or armor repping of target suit. TNGs(Tagging Nanite Grenades) 25% STD suit EHP damage, and TACNET nanites that temporarily light up the suit for the TACNET. MyNGs(Myofibril Nanite Grenades) 25% STD suit EHP damage, and synthetic myofibril nanites that temporarily work against the suit servomotors to slow the user down. OENGs(Opto-Electronic Nanite Grenades) 25% STD suit EHP damage, and Opto-Electronic nanites that seek out and temporarily overlay optical sensors, messing with the Image projected on the target's HUD. I'm sure peeps will have some very cool ideas about what they'd like to see for functionality here. But the punchline is that, sure, keep contact genades - but only if they enhance gameplay, as opposed to the current situation where they are detracting from it.

STEALTH HUNTER ZERO D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 3	Posted - 2013.07.07 00:09:00 - [51] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: Disturbingly Bored wrote: -1 Not that I love Contact Grenades. They're skill-less panic buttons. But then game has Mass Drivers and Flaylocks in it, and they're functionally identitical. I think Contact Grenades should be nerfed in damage/explosion radius to the point that they're balanced against Locus 'nades. -1 also. Just to put things in context, i flat-out refuse to use contact grenades. I like to earn what i take. Aaaaand....the hypocrisy confession: i do use the flaylock, but that's because i'm a sentimental Minmatar loyalist - been a big smg user up to now. I like Distubingly Bored's take on this, it touches all the bases. In terms of damage, i want to see contact grenades unable to one-shot a STD suit with an average tank - maybe doing 50% of the total EHP of said STD suit. This way contact 'nades would still be useful as finishers and still be worth carrying, but other 'nades like flux or the M1 Locus would be worth consideration for their flexibility. But I also like: Haron Vathek wrote: +1 I'd say remove them if they do as much damage as now. Should the damage be lowered significantly or a contact grenade be given another utility (like say... slow for example) instead of damage I would consider keeping it in the game. - Haron Vathek I'd like to see gameplay enriched by these grenades, something like contact grenades that do half the damage of the basic contact 'nades but have added functionality that makes sense for a contact weapon. Some ideas: VNGs(Viral Nanite Grenades) 25% STD suit EHP damage, and viral nanites that temporarily suppress or reverse the shield or armor repping of target suit. TNGs(Tagging Nanite Grenades) 25% STD suit EHP damage, and TACNET nanites that temporarily light up the suit for the TACNET. MyNGs(Myofibril Nanite Grenades) 25% STD suit EHP damage, and synthetic myofibril nanites that temporarily work against the suit servomotors to slow the user down. OENGs(Opto-Electronic Nanite Grenades) 25% STD suit EHP damage, and Opto-Electronic nanites that seek out and temporarily overlay optical sensors, messing with the Image projected on the target's HUD. I'm sure peeps will have some very cool ideas about what they'd like to see for functionality here. But the punchline is that, sure, keep contact grenades - but only if they enhance gameplay, as opposed to the current situation where they are detracting from it. I wouldn't mind keeping them if they did a lot less damage and/or did something else like you stated above.
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 203	Posted - 2013.07.07 00:13:00 - [52] - Quote I want a lower level variant. Or, learn to cook.
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 584	Posted - 2013.07.07 00:15:00 - [53] - Quote I'd much rather have CCP just nerf them. Anyways Core locus > Contact locus
hackerzilla Defenders of the Helghast Dream 27	Posted - 2013.07.07 00:17:00 - [54] - Quote -1
XxWarlordxX97 Internal Error. League of Infamy 2231	Posted - 2013.07.07 00:17:00 - [55] - Quote Against
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4473	Posted - 2013.07.07 00:18:00 - [56] - Quote Am I for or against skill based gaming? Despite my grievances with strafing, I'm actually FOR skill based gaming.
First Prophet Jaguar Empire 239	Posted - 2013.07.07 00:23:00 - [57] - Quote +1 Remove
echo47 Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 23	Posted - 2013.07.07 00:35:00 - [58] - Quote -1 I love my crutch. And the mail is always good for a laugh.
TODDSTER024 Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 68	Posted - 2013.07.07 00:46:00 - [59] - Quote Keep them. You do realize how much ISK Thunker nades cost, right?
Switchback Dawn Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 12	Posted - 2013.07.07 01:54:00 - [60] - Quote + 1 THROW THEM OUT OF THE AIRLOCK!!!!!!! Steals 9000 Contact Grenades

Morathi III Pro Hic Immortalis 118	Posted - 2013.07.07 01:55:00 - [61] - Quote -1 but nerf the dammage, valuable to the flaylock also
Tupni Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2013.07.07 02:02:00 - [62] - Quote Is this a thing that happens now? I didn't even notice, I just thought I wasn't paying attention and had horrible timing or it was a special class of grenade. I vote against having explosion on contact on the grounds that that's not how grenades work, and that they shouldn't work like that. Mass drivers and flaylock pistols are fine though since exploding on contact is their nature.
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 741	Posted - 2013.07.07 07:59:00 - [63] - Quote Remove them. Doesn't really matter what anyone else thinks, I've long since decided you're all idiots.
Asher Night Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 219	Posted - 2013.07.07 08:12:00 - [64] - Quote Remove them.
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 243	Posted - 2013.07.08 23:05:00 - [65] - Quote Current Vote Totals Remove: 28 Keep: 14 Nerf: 9
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 295	Posted - 2013.07.08 23:39:00 - [66] - Quote If and only if it includes AV grenades, I'm in.
Shadowswipe WarRavens League of Infamy 134	Posted - 2013.07.08 23:45:00 - [67] - Quote I choose option C: Balance them accordingly. Reduce the number carried as the housing to make sure they don't blow up on your hip while running at full speed takes up more room than the standard grenades. Thus they are still cool and are limited in a way. Max carried at proto level would be 2, and the standard would be just 1. And make them drain more nanohive nanites to avoid nanohive spam nades.
Sollemnis Aelinos 89th Infantry Division 68	Posted - 2013.07.08 23:47:00 - [68] - Quote +1 i dont even see the logic of having them in the first place
Yun Hee Ryeon Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 27	Posted - 2013.07.08 23:55:00 - [69] - Quote +1 ... with the caveat that I mostly mind because there's no ISK-purchased version until proto. Either require advanced skills for fused flux in the first place, give us ISK-based advanced 'nades, or drop them altogether. Especially considering their prohibitive cost at the proto level, they're PtW, and that's not what I signed on for.
Shadowswipe WarRavens League of Infamy 134	Posted - 2013.07.08 23:55:00 - [70] - Quote Sollemnis Aelinos wrote: +1 i dont even see the logic of having them in the first place Cause war demands effective weapons. It is obviously effective as this debate rages. The real thing to do is to balance it, nto remove it. More options is always better as long as those options aren't forced on you.

Another Heavy SOB TRUE TEA BAGGERS EoN. 263	Posted - 2013.07.09 00:01:00 - [71] - Quote I don't really give a crap whether they stay or go. Their great for popping those pesky scouts before they get to close when you don't have 3 seconds to cook a nade. In the end though cores will be much more effective, it's a mini nuke. Where with the thukker double kills never happen. Also by my understanding fused grenades do not equal contact grenades. Fused grenades simply have a much shorter fuse time of 3second instead of six while retaining the same damage and radius of a standard locus. The contact grenades have 600damage with a 2.5 radius and keeps the 6 second fuse but will explode on contact regardless of fuse time.
pseudosnipre DUST University Ivy League 54	Posted - 2013.07.09 00:01:00 - [72] - Quote Nerf by increasing time-to-deploy; make them a strategic room clearer instead of a twitch finisher. Only thing worse than infinite FP ROF is dodging that 80th A/R round and...instakilled by button-press.
Sinboto Simmons Sver true blood Public Disorder. 611	Posted - 2013.07.11 20:31:00 - [73] - Quote Don't know if I've voted but my vote is to remove. And if I have voted then....woops lol I'll look for a post by me in a sec to be sure Edit: +1
Oso Peresoso RisingSuns 272	Posted - 2013.07.11 20:33:00 - [74] - Quote +1
Illuminaughty-696 Galere Omega Battle Services 278	Posted - 2013.07.11 20:35:00 - [75] - Quote -1 Unless they are also ISK items these things have no place in this game. Or unless CCP finally implements a working market. Until either of the above CCP is just invalidating any argument about how AUR items are not better.
Traky78 What The French CRONOS. 166	Posted - 2013.07.11 20:43:00 - [76] - Quote Just remove them But hey, there are a lot of things more annoying actually, hey Flaylock, hey logi Caldari, hey taxi murder ...
CPL Bloodstone Neanderthal Nation Public Disorder. 116	Posted - 2013.07.11 20:43:00 - [77] - Quote +1 Remove
RA Drahcir Psygod9 RISE of LEGION 18	Posted - 2013.07.11 22:04:00 - [78] - Quote +1 not even going to bother reading idiots on the other side. yes, i am a bigot.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 597	Posted - 2013.07.11 22:12:00 - [79] - Quote -1 Panic 'nade needs to stay. If it is removed, then so should Flaylocks, Mass Drivers and all Vehicles.
commando biffle Shadow Company HQ 2	Posted - 2013.07.11 22:46:00 - [80] - Quote +1

commando biffle Shadow Company HQ 2	Posted - 2013.07.11 22:49:00 - [81] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: -1 Panic 'nade needs to stay. If it is removed, then so should Flaylocks, Mass Drivers and all Vehicles. uuuuummmm no!!!
Cormack's Modified Griefer Expert Intervention Caldari State 50	Posted - 2013.07.11 23:05:00 - [82] - Quote +1
Willie Fistersnatch Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2013.07.11 23:13:00 - [83] - Quote some people are running around gunning everyone down unopposed. people will cry about proto gear and flaylocks. I am telling every one i meet in game a little secret. sticking together and squading up are nice but how would you like a real edge? you can be unstoppable. I will be broadcasting how over teamchat this evening but for you loyal fans of chaos try this. upon getting a black screen press down to open map,L1 for neocom, open playerlist. back out of everything and presto optic camo. no one can see you now. run and gun with glee
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 597	Posted - 2013.07.11 23:19:00 - [84] - Quote commando biffle wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: -1 Panic 'nade needs to stay. If it is removed, then so should Flaylocks, Mass Drivers and all Vehicles. uuuuummmm no!!! Well, I happen to feel the same way about the removal of the Panic 'nade as you do about the removal of the other three.
Centurion mkII Sver true blood Public Disorder. 124	Posted - 2013.07.11 23:31:00 - [85] - Quote Minus One. Just reduce their strength so they're wounding nades.
Deranged Disaster Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 387	Posted - 2013.07.11 23:38:00 - [86] - Quote Remove them.
commando biffle Shadow Company HQ 2	Posted - 2013.07.12 00:08:00 - [87] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: commando biffle wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: -1 Panic 'nade needs to stay. If it is removed, then so should Flaylocks, Mass Drivers and all Vehicles. uuuuummmm no!!! Well, I happen to feel the same way about the removal of the Panic 'nade as you do about the removal of the other three. go play COD
Unmei no Hoeru Grupo de Asalto Chacal CRONOS. 17	Posted - 2013.07.12 00:12:00 - [88] - Quote Remove them A grenade blowing on touch is just a save button for those assault keeping in the back and the hell for scouts.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 2423	Posted - 2013.07.12 00:37:00 - [89] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: +1 to remove -1 to keep Feel free to give reasoning just don't troll, just vote so CCP can see how we view them. +1 they make the skill of properly cooking grenades useless and gives people an I win button when they start losing a gunfight. Plus the fact that we already went through this in closed beta we didn't want them then and they were removed if you want to keep them in the merc pack then fine but completely remove them from the market. Vote total (I will update regularly) Remove: 28 Keep: 14 Nerf: 9 I had to interpret some votes based on +1/-1 confusion so 1 to 2 vote error is possible +1 Contact grenades work in games like Tribes because of the extremely high TTK and focus on high-speed movement that game has. You'll also notice that those don't do enough damage to insta-gib a player. Contact Grenades are no good for this game.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 597	Posted - 2013.07.12 01:10:00 - [90] - Quote commando biffle wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: commando biffle wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: -1 Panic 'nade needs to stay. If it is removed, then so should Flaylocks, Mass Drivers and all Vehicles. uuuuummmm no!!! Well, I happen to feel the same way about the removal of the Panic 'nade as you do about the removal of the other three. go play COD lol Adapt or Die.

Void Echo Internal Error. League of Infamy 500	Posted - 2013.07.12 01:14:00 - [91] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: commando biffle wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: commando biffle wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: -1 Panic 'nade needs to stay. If it is removed, then so should Flaylocks, Mass Drivers and all Vehicles. uuuuummmm no!!! Well, I happen to feel the same way about the removal of the Panic 'nade as you do about the removal of the other three. go play COD lol Adapt or Die. same to you, apparently you rely on con nades, adapt to something else or die with them
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 597	Posted - 2013.07.12 01:23:00 - [92] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: commando biffle wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: commando biffle wrote: uuuuummmm no!!! Well, I happen to feel the same way about the removal of the Panic 'nade as you do about the removal of the other three. go play COD lol Adapt or Die. same to you, apparently you rely on con nades, adapt to something else or die with them See, I don't "rely" on anything. I use FLG for the tears, rather good at harvesting them too. Uh oh, what is that? I think I hear CCP gelding your tanks, lol.
Xender17 Intrepidus XI EoN. 312	Posted - 2013.07.12 01:28:00 - [93] - Quote Whats the point of votes? but +1 to remove Nerf and keep AUR ones.
Void Echo Internal Error. League of Infamy 502	Posted - 2013.07.12 01:37:00 - [94] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: See, I don't "rely" on anything. I use FLG for the tears, rather good at harvesting them too. Uh oh, what is that? I think I hear CCP gelding your tanks, lol. yeah so wimpy players like you will feel all cozy inside when your fighting against me
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 597	Posted - 2013.07.12 01:45:00 - [95] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: See, I don't "rely" on anything. I use FLG for the tears, rather good at harvesting them too. Uh oh, what is that? I think I hear CCP gelding your tanks, lol. yeah so wimpy players like you will feel all cozy inside when your fighting against me Does it make you feel like a real man to call people on the internet wimpy? I mean, you're the one crying about ****. WAAAAHHHHHH FLG kill me, they should be removed!!!!!! WAAAAAHHHHHHHHH, my I-Win button tank got nerfed so I can't hide in it anymore WAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!! lol
First Prophet Jaguar Empire 506	Posted - 2013.07.12 04:08:00 - [96] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Void Echo wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: See, I don't "rely" on anything. I use FLG for the tears, rather good at harvesting them too. Uh oh, what is that? I think I hear CCP gelding your tanks, lol. yeah so wimpy players like you will feel all cozy inside when your fighting against me Does it make you feel like a real man to call people on the internet wimpy? I mean, you're the one crying about ****. WAAAAHHHHHH FLG kill me, they should be removed!!!!!! WAAAAAHHHHHHHHH, my I-Win button tank got nerfed so I can't hide in it anymore WAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!! lol You're drunk. Go home.
Yun Hee Ryeon Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 65	Posted - 2013.07.12 04:10:00 - [97] - Quote First Prophet wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Void Echo wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: See, I don't "rely" on anything. I use FLG for the tears, rather good at harvesting them too. Uh oh, what is that? I think I hear CCP gelding your tanks, lol. yeah so wimpy players like you will feel all cozy inside when your fighting against me Does it make you feel like a real man to call people on the internet wimpy? I mean, you're the one crying about ****. WAAAAHHHHHH FLG kill me, they should be removed!!!!!! WAAAAAHHHHHHHHH, my I-Win button tank got nerfed so I can't hide in it anymore WAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!! lol You're drunk. Go home. Do not feed the troll.
Void Echo Internal Error. League of Infamy 522	Posted - 2013.07.12 04:13:00 - [98] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Void Echo wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: See, I don't "rely" on anything. I use FLG for the tears, rather good at harvesting them too. Uh oh, what is that? I think I hear CCP gelding your tanks, lol. yeah so wimpy players like you will feel all cozy inside when your fighting against me Does it make you feel like a real man to call people on the internet wimpy? I mean, you're the one crying about ****. WAAAAHHHHHH FLG kill me, they should be removed!!!!!! WAAAAAHHHHHHHHH, my I-Win button tank got nerfed so I can't hide in it anymore WAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!! lol why are all you so damn ignorant that you think we want god mod back?
Void Echo Internal Error. League of Infamy 522	Posted - 2013.07.12 04:13:00 - [99] - Quote Yun Hee Ryeon wrote: First Prophet wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Void Echo wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: See, I don't "rely" on anything. I use FLG for the tears, rather good at harvesting them too. Uh oh, what is that? I think I hear CCP gelding your tanks, lol. yeah so wimpy players like you will feel all cozy inside when your fighting against me Does it make you feel like a real man to call people on the internet wimpy? I mean, you're the one crying about ****. WAAAAHHHHHH FLG kill me, they should be removed!!!!!! WAAAAAHHHHHHHHH, my I-Win button tank got nerfed so I can't hide in it anymore WAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!! lol You're drunk. Go home. Do not feed the troll. too late
stlcarlos989 Sver true blood Public Disorder. 282	Posted - 2013.07.12 04:17:00 - [100] - Quote Guys please don't troll here I want CCP to seriously look at the opinions about the topic of this thread.

Zero Motives HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 1	Posted - 2013.07.12 04:36:00 - [101] - Quote They should be removed.
Vin Vicious Capital Acquisitions LLC 169	Posted - 2013.07.12 04:44:00 - [102] - Quote +1 Rather reduce the damage to a sleek nade
TakeCover OrDie Not Guilty EoN. 25	Posted - 2013.07.12 04:56:00 - [103] - Quote remove!
Ro Dusakk All But Ambition 11	Posted - 2013.07.12 04:57:00 - [104] - Quote Vin Vicious wrote: +1 Rather reduce the damage to a sleek nade This. My vote goes for nerf. They should be avaible as a different tactical grenade. One shouldn't be able to instakill with 'em (not even basic scouts ), but they could/should be used as a tactics to lower the foes HP with the gun, and then finnish 'em off with a contact nade. Some playing skills should be required, not just skill points.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 196	Posted - 2013.07.12 05:34:00 - [105] - Quote -1 keep them. man up.
Hawkings Greenback Red Star Jr. EoN. 59	Posted - 2013.07.12 05:34:00 - [106] - Quote +1 remove the pesky nuggets of death. I still have mine from a merc pack I brought 12 month ago & have never used them, not sure if that makes me a saddo or a merc with some morals ?
D ofDk Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 9	Posted - 2013.07.12 06:04:00 - [107] - Quote Nerf so proto thukker is better than AUR contact grenade. I bet 1/3 of everyone voted "remove" is using flaylock or massdriver and just noticed that some other noobies throws backs grenades for real money For two days ago i med I3ear (rank 1 in kills) on a server as opponent. We want into 1on1 situation and to be honnest, his damage was greater then mine. Guess what? I tossed a AUR nade and he got killed twice the same way. After the game i received a "p**y" message and what i thougt would went into some bulls talk, was increasing into a good discussion. To be honnest, if i hadnt tossed that grenade, he would have killed me which is for sure. The question in here is why? Did u self asked why people uses those grenades? Why people uses flaylock? I could understand him easily, he has used much time to become that skilled in points, in propper drop suits and a 30 years old, with only 5,5mil SP logi guy and KD of 2,5 comes around the corner and kills him off with a grenade because he cant stand the 1on1 with the duvolle. Then i started to think about; how do i get killed most often? 80% of my death is due to core flaylocks. Well do i get pissed of it? YES! Most likely if people with flaylock are on highger grounds (rails etc) and just keep spamming them down. Where is the point in here? Everyone here is talking about balance the game on one hand and on the other make it uneven by remove things again. To me it sounds like a never ending story. Im a Logi, what should i do against flaylocks except my team is try to hunt them down? Of course, i toss grenades back. Next: I could have tossed back a thukker (i got proto grenades) but the radius and damge is uneven to AUR. And i dont care about real money. Im 30 and got a job, so i use cheap AUR grenades quite often against flaylocks. The real subject in here is about fairness. Was i fair to I3ear? No! But my survival instict told me to toss that f*.. grenade just to be kept alive. If fairness was the subject and you should counter measure flaylocks, mass drivers and thukker (or AUR grenade, which one is fair and which not? Even math would not help you because its something personal in here. To remove things is the wrong way, i would rather nerf things because of fairness reasons. BTW: I would rather see AFK prevention and MCC snipe prevention, then remove or nerf more things ingame.
Captain Africa Clone1 GRIM MARCH 104	Posted - 2013.07.12 06:25:00 - [108] - Quote -1
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 576	Posted - 2013.07.12 07:25:00 - [109] - Quote Nerf or place on same level as thukkers.
Godin Thekiller Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 248	Posted - 2013.07.12 08:38:00 - [110] - Quote remove. they are annoying and cheap. We can do AV nades at the same time.

Dale Templar Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 209	Posted - 2013.07.12 12:32:00 - [111] - Quote -1. Keep.
Cinder Integ Internal Error. League of Infamy 27	Posted - 2013.07.12 12:47:00 - [112] - Quote +1 remove
Knight SoIaire Rent-A-Murder Taxi 1176	Posted - 2013.07.12 16:09:00 - [113] - Quote I vote to remove them, Scouts are already weak as is, removing them would be an indirect buff.
Knight SoIaire Rent-A-Murder Taxi 1176	Posted - 2013.07.12 16:11:00 - [114] - Quote D ofDk wrote: Nerf so proto thukker is better than AUR contact grenade. For two days ago i met I3ear (rank 1 in kills) on a server as opponent. We went into an 1on1 situation and to be honnest, his damage was greater then mine. Guess what? I tossed a AUR nade and he got killed twice the same way. After the game i received a "p****y" message and what i thougt would went into some bulls talk, was increasing into a good discussion. . Lol, good 'ole 13ear. Number 1 for kills. Number 1 for fanmail sent.
semperfi1999 Internal Error. League of Infamy 644	Posted - 2013.07.12 16:21:00 - [115] - Quote If they keep contact nades then they need to change locus nade timers back down to 2 seconds after impact.
InsidiousN KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 122	Posted - 2013.07.12 16:25:00 - [116] - Quote REMOVE (and put LAV HP back to where it used to be before buff)
2-Ton Twenty-One Internal Error. League of Infamy 703	Posted - 2013.07.12 16:35:00 - [117] - Quote Nerf.
Xin Tiger Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 7	Posted - 2013.07.12 16:38:00 - [118] - Quote takes the **** really, grenades are spose to have some level of skill to use hence timing and throwing them is the least you should have to be expected to do, contact nades are silly.
CHIPMINT BUTTERCUP KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 43	Posted - 2013.07.12 16:39:00 - [119] - Quote Buff In fact just buff everything! An unbalanced game is still just a broke game just unbalanced.
Soldiersaint Deepspace Digital 100	Posted - 2013.07.12 16:59:00 - [120] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Hm players calling contact nades a crutch Yet swarm launchers are a crutch to kill vehicles with yet its okay In war soldiers use what it takes to win guy. war isnt a freaking stupid trash sport. also -1 if i was a soldier i would use contact grenades. after all i dont want to die!

CHIPMINT BUTTERCUP KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 46	Posted - 2013.07.12 17:00:00 - [121] - Quote Soldiersaint wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Hm players calling contact nades a crutch Yet swarm launchers are a crutch to kill vehicles with yet its okay In war soldiers use what it takes to win guy. war isnt a freaking stupid trash sport. also -1 if i was a soldier i would use contact grenades. after all i dont want to die! Yeah but respawn.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4980	Posted - 2013.07.12 17:02:00 - [122] - Quote Soldiersaint wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Hm players calling contact nades a crutch Yet swarm launchers are a crutch to kill vehicles with yet its okay In war soldiers use what it takes to win guy. war isnt a freaking stupid trash sport. also -1 if i was a soldier i would use contact grenades. after all i dont want to die! I wasn't aware that children were dieing and nations were crumbling based on our actions. Could have sworn this was a game.
Soldiersaint Deepspace Digital 100	Posted - 2013.07.12 17:03:00 - [123] - Quote CHIPMINT BUTTERCUP wrote: Soldiersaint wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Hm players calling contact nades a crutch Yet swarm launchers are a crutch to kill vehicles with yet its okay In war soldiers use what it takes to win guy. war isnt a freaking stupid trash sport. also -1 if i was a soldier i would use contact grenades. after all i dont want to die! Yeah but respawn. the game is still about war ok. and war is not a sport. -1 you do what ever it takes to win a war.that includes using swarms contact nades redline tanks and anything else these sports loving tryhards hate.
Soldiersaint Deepspace Digital 100	Posted - 2013.07.12 17:06:00 - [124] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Am I for or against skill based gaming? Despite my grievances with strafing, I'm actually FOR skill based gaming. Some much practice and skill......only to be killed by a soldier who is smart and uses everything to his advantage.......smart soldier>skill
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4984	Posted - 2013.07.12 17:49:00 - [125] - Quote Soldiersaint wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Am I for or against skill based gaming? Despite my grievances with strafing, I'm actually FOR skill based gaming. Some much practice and skill......only to be killed by a soldier who is smart and uses everything to his advantage.......smart soldier>skill Except you aren't a soldier, you're someone playing a video game Good gampeplay > low skill crutches
stlcarlos989 Sver true blood Public Disorder. 305	Posted - 2013.07.12 19:15:00 - [126] - Quote Current Vote Totals Remove: 54 Keep: 18 Nerf: 17
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 750	Posted - 2013.07.12 19:34:00 - [127] - Quote I don't want them gone, but I do want to see them receive a balancing similiar to "sleek" grenades. I.E. sacrificing damage in favour of a better chance to hit.
Michael Cratar Fenrir's Wolves RUST415 241	Posted - 2013.07.12 19:42:00 - [128] - Quote +1
Aisha Ctarl The Generals EoN. 759	Posted - 2013.07.12 19:46:00 - [129] - Quote +1 Remove I'm so sick of getting someone down to a few HP of armor left and they go the EZ MOAD route and chuck a contact grenade at me. I swear I'm going to start looking up IP numbers, linking it to an ISP, getting addresses, and hunting people down if another contact grenade gets me.
RoundEy3 Metal Mind Industries 203	Posted - 2013.07.12 19:51:00 - [130] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Soldiersaint wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Am I for or against skill based gaming? Despite my grievances with strafing, I'm actually FOR skill based gaming. Some much practice and skill......only to be killed by a soldier who is smart and uses everything to his advantage.......smart soldier>skill Except you aren't a soldier, you're someone playing a video game Good gampeplay > low skill crutches You're right to an extent. You're someone playing a video game as a soldier character. There is a level of representation in the game. The moment this game feels like an all out sports competition is the day I biomass. Some people like their games to be good sims. A sci-fi space merc sim. sounds pretty bad ass to me. A sci-fi skinned and fully team balanceed/measured game a thon doesn't sound fun. Plus that would be nothing new then as well. Now before you think I'm being all biased n stuff I know the goal of this game is to meet somewhere in the middle of shooter sim and shooter "everyone is happy" balanced. EDIT: I already voted on this thread as well. -1 Keep them they pose an obstacle that make people p**s and moan. That's a sign it's good.

Ronan Elsword Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 56	Posted - 2013.07.13 16:39:00 - [131] - Quote +1 for getting rid of fused locus grenades. Lower damage on the Thukkar by about 100 and it'll be fine.
Dale Templar Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 212	Posted - 2013.07.13 17:11:00 - [132] - Quote I can do the exact same thing, often times better by cooking a standard grenade, nerfing is going to do absolutely nothing, if I'm running standards I cook them, as soon as I see a red chevron come even close to popping round the corner. Fused Grenades aren't that bad. Do nothing to them.
RevoL Frog The Generals EoN. 49	Posted - 2013.07.13 17:13:00 - [133] - Quote Get rid of them! As evidence i'll site the recent Hellstorm vs. TeamPlayers match
pegasis prime The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries DARKSTAR ARMY 479	Posted - 2013.07.13 17:14:00 - [134] - Quote I love a good contact grenade but hurt thread. Adapt or die.
stlcarlos989 Sver true blood Public Disorder. 327	Posted - 2013.07.13 22:41:00 - [135] - Quote pegasis prime wrote: I love a good contact grenade but hurt thread. Adapt or die. This thread is to see if people want to keep or remove contact grenades. Which by the way we already went through in closed beta and didn't want then so CCP removed them from the market only to bring them back .
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 409	Posted - 2013.07.13 22:47:00 - [136] - Quote +1 Remove The first couple times I was hit by these I thought "wow that guy is really skilled at cooking grenades, maybe I need more practice" Then I looked at the killfeed Contact Grenades need to go. They are a terrible idea. nuff said.
Soldier of Mawat Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 89	Posted - 2013.07.13 22:53:00 - [137] - Quote +1 Tired of almost winning a 1v1 but ending up dead because of a no skill panic button
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 893	Posted - 2013.07.13 22:54:00 - [138] - Quote +1 Remove. Just finished a PC match with Hellstorm where both sides agreed not to use contact nades and flaylocks. Seriously the best match I've played of PC in a long time.
The Attorney General ZionTCD 354	Posted - 2013.07.13 23:38:00 - [139] - Quote Remove them entirely.
Monsku Kifini Rautaleijona Top Men. 46	Posted - 2013.07.13 23:43:00 - [140] - Quote +1 Remove and fire that guy who ever came up with the idea of contact grenades.

Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 1563	Posted - 2013.07.14 00:29:00 - [141] - Quote give us explosive resistance
stlcarlos989 Sver true blood Public Disorder. 329	Posted - 2013.07.14 03:31:00 - [142] - Quote Dale Templar wrote: I can do the exact same thing, often times better by cooking a standard grenade, nerfing is going to do absolutely nothing, if I'm running standards I cook them, as soon as I see a red chevron come even close to popping round the corner. Fused Grenades aren't that bad. Do nothing to them. What you're doing takes skill to and you had to learn the timing of the grenade, contact grenades take no skill because you just throw them and boom no need to take the time to get down the timing of cooking them.
Hyuan BubblePOP Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 1	Posted - 2013.07.14 05:26:00 - [143] - Quote +1 to remove
FroO Bg SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 11	Posted - 2013.07.14 14:05:00 - [144] - Quote +1 Remove them! Either that or put their damage way lower cuz they are just OP
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 3303	Posted - 2013.07.14 14:26:00 - [145] - Quote -1. Keep them, but rework them. In their current state, they're too good compared to the alternatives. And actual balancing, not ISK balancing, because if they're still too good at what they do, it doesn't matter that they cost twice as much, because people will be able to afford that by not buying the expensive gun they aren't using anyway.
Spectral Clone The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 102	Posted - 2013.07.14 14:28:00 - [146] - Quote -1
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 364	Posted - 2013.07.14 21:24:00 - [147] - Quote Current Vote totals Remove: 64 Keep: 20 Nerf: 19 Public opinion on these is pretty evident CCP.


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