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Syther Shadows
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
188
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Posted - 2013.07.04 02:48:00 -
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..... i hate noobs... have a fake respec when a brand new op weapon comes out wait till they start crying about it
Call it the last respec ever
nerf the weapon right after the respec |
LuckyLuke Wargan
HavoK Core RISE of LEGION
188
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Posted - 2013.07.04 03:01:00 -
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Acezero 44 wrote:LuckyLuke Wargan wrote:Acezero 44 wrote:no respecs,. no way
In new eden you "grow" your toon like a plant. Get used to it,..
This game is dying, get used to it. you better run then, I see a healthy game, im having fun.. lawl I am having fun too, but the numbers speak for themselves, it is very far from being a "healthy" game. Maybe CCP can continue to work on this title due to fundings received from eve (about 30,000 players connected at any given time vs. about 4,000 for dust) but any other shooters doing as poorly would had died already... and this is not something to be proud of. |
Acezero 44
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2013.07.04 03:05:00 -
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LuckyLuke Wargan wrote:Acezero 44 wrote:LuckyLuke Wargan wrote:Acezero 44 wrote:no respecs,. no way
In new eden you "grow" your toon like a plant. Get used to it,..
This game is dying, get used to it. you better run then, I see a healthy game, im having fun.. lawl I am having fun too, but the numbers speak for themselves, it is very far from being a "healthy" game. Maybe CCP can continue to work on this title due to fundings received from eve (about 30,000 players connected at any given time vs. about 4,000 for dust) but any other shooters doing as poorly would had died already... and this is not something to be proud of.
there is just to many games on pc with less then 3k players doing really well, so numbers dont meen much..
I never have to wait to play, I almost never see the same people. the game is alive from the perspective of someone who plays every second day.
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LuckyLuke Wargan
HavoK Core RISE of LEGION
188
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Posted - 2013.07.04 03:23:00 -
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Acezero 44 wrote:LuckyLuke Wargan wrote:Acezero 44 wrote:LuckyLuke Wargan wrote:Acezero 44 wrote:no respecs,. no way
In new eden you "grow" your toon like a plant. Get used to it,..
This game is dying, get used to it. you better run then, I see a healthy game, im having fun.. lawl I am having fun too, but the numbers speak for themselves, it is very far from being a "healthy" game. Maybe CCP can continue to work on this title due to fundings received from eve (about 30,000 players connected at any given time vs. about 4,000 for dust) but any other shooters doing as poorly would had died already... and this is not something to be proud of. there is just to many games on pc with less then 3k players doing really well, so numbers dont meen much.. I never have to wait to play, I almost never see the same people. the game is alive from the perspective of someone who plays every second day. So great, you play every second day and can earn ton of SP to spec into things you want... but there are people who live in a grown up world with full time jobs and families to take care of who do not have the luxury to put much more than 2-3 hours a week of gameplay at times... why should they be punished from enjoying the game because it takes them half a year to spec into anything new? this is why a respec system is needed... "hey I'd like to try that new commando suit, but too bad it's going to take me half a year to get it"... in the meanwhile someone like this will get tired of the grind when they get a chance to play, and will look somewhere else for a more gratifying gaming experience. the biggest purpose of Dust is to bring more mainstream players into the world of New Eden(the devs have said so themselves)... the way it's setup right now prevents just that... I am being honest when I say i have friends who turned away from Dust saying it was too complicated or too hard to get into. |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
505
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Posted - 2013.07.04 03:37:00 -
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F1RST19 wrote:Signed 100%
I dont see why other people are not agreeing but giving legit information on to not have another respec... How about you get lost and or **** off. Take your **** somewhere else....
I have 10mill skills into **** that I didnt want before because the stuff I had was broken, having another opportunity to have a respec is all we need... After this update... I mean this update is literally a game changer. fixed a **** ton of stuff..
I want my respec....
We all said put SP into what you like to do, not what is the current flavor. We said the balance would start to trickle in and it has started. People sacrificed what they wanted for what was easiest, your choices matter and you should have to stick with them. |
Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
111
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Posted - 2013.07.04 04:25:00 -
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Bob Teller wrote:F1RST19 wrote:Signed 100%
I dont see why other people are not agreeing but giving legit information on to not have another respec... How about you get lost and or **** off. Take your **** somewhere else....
I have 10mill skills into **** that I didnt want before because the stuff I had was broken, having another opportunity to have a respec is all we need... After this update... I mean this update is literally a game changer. fixed a **** ton of stuff..
I want my respec.... Well guess what?................................................................................................................................................you're not getting it. That's what was said about the last two respecs. When CCP did the second respec (for the skill tree fix) I laughed my @ss off.
Signed, a good company balances the consumer demand with the product. If there are causes that have harmed the game and the solution is a full/partial SP repsec then so be it.
Thank you again CCP for that second respec, it made my character playable. Every skill point is where it needs to be. |
Vicious Minotaur
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
64
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Posted - 2013.07.04 04:41:00 -
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As of now, the game is incomplete, so there ought to be an optional respec after the racial ar variants hit, the racial suits for heavies&scouts come out and when racial vehicles are out. All that is basic core content that should have been in the game upon release.
It seems that those that don't want a respec are in the minority, so heres hoping that CCP balances the desire of the majority over the desire of the minority, and anything else in between, so that they can retain the greatest amount of players. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
528
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Posted - 2013.07.04 05:05:00 -
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I really hope CCP doesn't listen to the Eve nerds on this.
The game is really shaping up nicely. Respecs will keep the game fresh for people.
I love my skills exactly where they are. I use a skill planner to track my skill path.
But what if I get bored? What if skilling into a totally different role would lead me to continue playing?
I WANT to see people stick around. I want 20 or 30 thousand players online battling it out for territory throughout New Eden.
Wanting people to suck it up and grind for 2 months to find some enjoyment in the game is a line of thinking I'll never understand. |
Acezero 44
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2013.07.04 05:10:00 -
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LuckyLuke Wargan wrote: So great, you play every second day and can earn ton of SP to spec into things you want... but there are people who live in a grown up world with full time jobs and families to take care of who do not have the luxury to put much more than 2-3 hours a week of gameplay at times... why should they be punished from enjoying the game because it takes them half a year to spec into anything new? this is why a respec system is needed... "hey I'd like to try that new commando suit, but too bad it's going to take me half a year to get it"... in the meanwhile someone like this will get tired of the grind when they get a chance to play, and will look somewhere else for a more gratifying gaming experience. the biggest purpose of Dust is to bring more mainstream players into the world of New Eden(the devs have said so themselves)... the way it's setup right now prevents just that... I am being honest when I say i have friends who turned away from Dust saying it was too complicated or too hard to get into.
I got news for you, this skill system is made for the working man, a few hours every other day and we reach the cap. WE dont even have to play
next time post some background music I might have more empathy next time.
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KOBLAKA1
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
214
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Posted - 2013.07.04 05:22:00 -
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Acezero 44 wrote:KOBLAKA1 wrote:Acezero 44 wrote:no respecs,. no way
In new eden you "grow" your toon like a plant. Get used to it,..
too bad i was forced on what seeds to use, must be nice having options in your medium frame your not forced, you made that bed now sleep in it.. /edit I use scout btw,. 100% of the time. please go back and read the actual thread this is effin deja vu. Im heavy i had a whole bunch of options if i wanted to do my preferred playstyle. Quit being dumb |
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13th Clone
The Merc Net
4
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Posted - 2013.07.04 05:29:00 -
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How about 'optional' (semi forced) respec for anyone thinking armour was going to get good I'm bored of running bpo suits that can survive a grenade but adv suit proto armour mods = still die instantly from militia locus grenade . |
Despawner Respawner
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.07.04 06:41:00 -
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I don't think "infinite" respecs is a good idea. However, I don't see no respecs as good either.... When I started I put that suit skill to 4 (you know the one/ the skill that does nothing past 3)- i didn't realize so a few wasted points there. Not a big deal but why does it even go past 3 if it does nothing past 3? Maybe someday 4 and 5 will have meaning, but for now they don't.
What's the big deal really? Why not allow (even just one) respecs in some form. It could range from aur, isk paid, to free but only x per year, to even reducing total sp by a percent (say 10% sp loss per respec). Or some combination not mentioned...
My point remains though. There's ways to do this to reduce the fotm risk to near zero. It would help player retention, make the game more interesting, and could be an additional revenue source for ccp. I just don't see the downside here.
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Defy Gravity
Silver Talon Corporation
53
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Posted - 2013.07.04 06:49:00 -
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Signed. Im really tired of running around with a bullshit amarr logistics suit, I wanted to try something new and it ruined me. Don't get me started on scrambler rifles...... |
Nelo Angel0
The Nommo Insurance Fraud.
81
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Posted - 2013.07.04 07:32:00 -
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Despawner Respawner wrote:I don't think "infinite" respecs is a good idea. However, I don't see no respecs as good either.... When I started I put that suit skill to 4 (you know the one/ the skill that does nothing past 3)- i didn't realize so a few wasted points there. Not a big deal but why does it even go past 3 if it does nothing past 3? Maybe someday 4 and 5 will have meaning, but for now they don't.
What's the big deal really? Why not allow (even just one) respecs in some form. It could range from aur, isk paid, to free but only x per year, to even reducing total sp by a percent (say 10% sp loss per respec). Or some combination not mentioned...
My point remains though. There's ways to do this to reduce the fotm risk to near zero. It would help player retention, make the game more interesting, and could be an additional revenue source for ccp. I just don't see the downside here.
Or a skill that each time you fully spec has it's multiplier increased?
by the time that baby reaches x4 good luck respecing lol xD. It could also have a increasing penalty per respec as well, starting at 10%. |
Hadrial Verida
Frostglass Industries
1
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Posted - 2013.07.04 07:47:00 -
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Despawner Respawner wrote:I don't think "infinite" respecs is a good idea. However, I don't see no respecs as good either.... When I started I put that suit skill to 4 (you know the one/ the skill that does nothing past 3)- i didn't realize so a few wasted points there. Not a big deal but why does it even go past 3 if it does nothing past 3? Maybe someday 4 and 5 will have meaning, but for now they don't.
What's the big deal really? Why not allow (even just one) respecs in some form. It could range from aur, isk paid, to free but only x per year, to even reducing total sp by a percent (say 10% sp loss per respec). Or some combination not mentioned...
My point remains though. There's ways to do this to reduce the fotm risk to near zero. It would help player retention, make the game more interesting, and could be an additional revenue source for ccp. I just don't see the downside here.
Because it would be paying to be "better". You made your choices, you have to live with them. Do you think my 7 year old EVE character has ever recieved the option to respec after every major expansion (or ever)?
Sometimes you just have to live with your decisions. Training to T2 Large Turrets takes a month, capital ships more than that. Things take time, especially specialization. DUST isn't the same thing, but this is the EVE Universe. Things are constantly going to be added, changed and nerfed. Get used to it, and start saving SP for patch days. |
Laurent Cazaderon
What The French CRONOS.
1669
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Posted - 2013.07.04 07:49:00 -
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Galthur wrote:*Updated Racial content- Rifles/Suits/vehicles (Heavy, Scout, LAV, HAV, dropship) Not new stuff like commando suits/pilot suits
Regarding respecs due to new content, i'd say it depends.
Whenever CCP will add the racial variants of the Heavy suits, there should be a respec of the heavy suits skills only so those guy can decide whether or not they want to try a new variant.
Same goes with vehicle.
But for new rifles, new roles, tweaks to the core game, balancing ? Definitely not. Otherwise you kill the whole purpose of the game that is to have diversity on the battlefield as everyone will be attracted by the flavor of the moment. As you know there will always be one.
Now, debate about updates and respec aside. I'd support one free respec per year. And another one you could buy per year for Aurum. |
Bendtner92
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
664
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Posted - 2013.07.04 08:05:00 -
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I don't see why we wouldn't be able to have a bunch of respecs available each year. Give people 2-4 respecs to use each year, either all free or maybe half of them available for AUR only like Caz said just above.
You could always implement a penalty of x amount of SP for doing a respec, like 500k or 1 million SP perhaps. I wouldn't have a problem with that.
You all have to remember that CCP made/is making this game for the console players and not just the EVE players that want to play Dust. |
Nelo Angel0
The Nommo Insurance Fraud.
81
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Posted - 2013.07.04 09:08:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:I really hope CCP doesn't listen to the Eve nerds on this.
The game is really shaping up nicely. Respecs will keep the game fresh for people.
I love my skills exactly where they are. I use a skill planner to track my skill path.
But what if I get bored? What if skilling into a totally different role would lead me to continue playing?
I WANT to see people stick around. I want 20 or 30 thousand players online battling it out for territory throughout New Eden.
Wanting people to suck it up and grind for 2 months to find some enjoyment in the game is a line of thinking I'll never understand.
Things like respecs is what gave MAG so much replayability. That and switching corps, still loved valor most. Instead of being stuck with 1 class for life with a high grinding crub you could respec into something completely different for a whole new experience.
my favorite fit was
-insert valor SMG with a silencer- jammer and nades with BA light armor.
that loadout was FUN!
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DeeJay One
BetaMax. CRONOS.
45
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Posted - 2013.07.04 09:13:00 -
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Nelo Angel0 wrote: Things like respecs is what gave MAG so much replayability. That and switching corps, still loved valor most. Instead of being stuck with 1 class for life with a high grinding crub you could respec into something completely different for a whole new experience.
You're not stuck with a class for life, getting into a new role is how much now - 3 months of killing people? And you will have the opportunity to play 2 different roles in a single match, respec doesn't give you that. |
F1RST19
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2013.07.04 13:55:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:F1RST19 wrote:Signed 100%
I dont see why other people are not agreeing but giving legit information on to not have another respec... How about you get lost and or **** off. Take your **** somewhere else....
I have 10mill skills into **** that I didnt want before because the stuff I had was broken, having another opportunity to have a respec is all we need... After this update... I mean this update is literally a game changer. fixed a **** ton of stuff..
I want my respec.... Seriously dude? I just posted links to a number of well versed reasons why respecs are bad; in that other thread on the same subject that you posted in, yet you keep insisting that no one gives legit information? In case you're just blind rather than dishonest i'll post it here again for you. Cross Atu wrote:Gaelon Thrace wrote:Cross Atu wrote:To all Mercs in support of respecs please read and respond to in detail my posts #19 & #92. In this thread. As well as post #14 by Malkai Inos. There's a lot of ground to cover and the issues presented within those posts (as well as other posts in that thread) really do require an address before any such idea should be considered for adoption into the game. Cheers, Cross FYI you can link directly to the post by clicking the post number. I'll link the posts you mentioned here, here, and here to make it easier for anyone interested. The above covers standard concerns related to unlimited respec (aka all respec that do not have a specific hard cap on total lifetime number). I look forward to your reply regarding the concerns raised in the quoted links. Cheers, Cross I could really care less about post that contain reasons we shouldn't get a respec. Hopefully you understand that some of us have over 10mil skill points, and we already put it into stuff, and on there hand, CCP continues to put out other game changing content, not only that, they dont even have heavy racial dropsuits, no rail, and combat rifle, what the hell am I supposed to do if I dont have enough to get their new ****.... HAH take another 4-5 months and continue to pay this game for passive and active boosters, nah... Im done with that ****. |
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Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
521
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Posted - 2013.07.04 14:02:00 -
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F1RST19 wrote: I could really care less about post that contain reasons we shouldn't get a respec. Hopefully you understand that some of us have over 10mil skill points, and we already put it into stuff, and on there hand, CCP continues to put out other game changing content, not only that, they dont even have heavy racial dropsuits, no rail, and combat rifle, what the hell am I supposed to do if I dont have enough to get their new ****.... HAH take another 4-5 months and continue to pay this game for passive and active boosters, nah... Im done with that ****.
Then you are by definition not interested in a resonable, objective discussion on this subject and it follows that arguing with you is a waste of time.
You can not seriously expect me or anyone else to listen to your arguments when you already admitted that you don't care about anything that might disagree with you. We're done here as far as i'm concerned. |
GET ATMESON
NEW AGE EMPIRE The Family Syndicate
5
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Posted - 2013.07.04 14:06:00 -
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Signed.
Only when they release everything this should be done. Thats all vehicles,Drop suits...ECT
Would suck to have 10mill sp on something you dont want to be because they didn't release the gear you want |
Meeko Fent
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
142
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Posted - 2013.07.04 17:33:00 -
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Amorale Lyadstafer wrote:Signed, a final respec after they will add all the missing stuff (Heavies, missing rifles etc) Agreed.
Signed. |
Jaqen Morghalis
Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance
89
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Posted - 2013.07.04 17:48:00 -
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GET ATMESON wrote:Signed.
Only when they release everything this should be done. Thats all vehicles,Drop suits...ECT
Would suck to have 10mill sp on something you dont want to be because they didn't release the gear you want
Great idea!
As I understand it, there will never be a point that everything is released, as they will constantly be developing and adding new stuff for the life of the game.
Therefore, you should never see another respec, because this criteria will never be met. |
dday3six
Intrepidus XI Omega Commission
42
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Posted - 2013.07.04 18:28:00 -
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Until all 4 races are represented with regards to dropsuits, vehicles, weapons, etc I support respecs offered via support ticket as those items are released. Afterwards I think a free option to respec once or twice a year would be healthy for the game.
Also I think respecs should be sold as AUR items. Have them be like boosters with a cooldown clock as to when the next one can be used. The game is free to play and needs revenue from players willing to spend money on the game. |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1369
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Posted - 2013.07.04 18:58:00 -
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No |
LuckyLuke Wargan
HavoK Core RISE of LEGION
190
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Posted - 2013.07.04 22:46:00 -
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Acezero 44 wrote:LuckyLuke Wargan wrote: So great, you play every second day and can earn ton of SP to spec into things you want... but there are people who live in a grown up world with full time jobs and families to take care of who do not have the luxury to put much more than 2-3 hours a week of gameplay at times... why should they be punished from enjoying the game because it takes them half a year to spec into anything new? this is why a respec system is needed... "hey I'd like to try that new commando suit, but too bad it's going to take me half a year to get it"... in the meanwhile someone like this will get tired of the grind when they get a chance to play, and will look somewhere else for a more gratifying gaming experience. the biggest purpose of Dust is to bring more mainstream players into the world of New Eden(the devs have said so themselves)... the way it's setup right now prevents just that... I am being honest when I say i have friends who turned away from Dust saying it was too complicated or too hard to get into.
I got news for you, this skill system is made for the working man, a few hours every other day and we reach the cap. WE dont even have to play next time post some background music I might have more empathy next time. Shut it troll, I have only reached the cap once and I have been part of the beta since May 2012... too busy with a full time job and school, maybe it fits your schedule of a working man, but don't go assuming that your schedule is universal and will work for everyone. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
3040
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Posted - 2013.07.04 23:03:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:I really hope CCP doesn't listen to the Eve nerds on this.
The game is really shaping up nicely. Respecs will keep the game fresh for people.
I love my skills exactly where they are. I use a skill planner to track my skill path.
But what if I get bored? What if skilling into a totally different role would lead me to continue playing?
I WANT to see people stick around. I want 20 or 30 thousand players online battling it out for territory throughout New Eden.
Wanting people to suck it up and grind for 2 months to find some enjoyment in the game is a line of thinking I'll never understand.
You weren't around during the Jita riots back in 2011, weren't you? What happen then is a clear example of what happens when CCP doesn't listen to the Eve players. To ask CCP to ignore the Eve players is like asking Thor (not you) to put down his hammer. Not going to happen. |
Nix Vulken
Psygod9 RISE of LEGION
1
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Posted - 2013.07.04 23:15:00 -
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This needs to be an option, make it cost isk, make it cost aur, make it cost $10, I don't care just make it happen! +1 |
Draco Dustflier
DUST University Ivy League
148
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Posted - 2013.07.04 23:51:00 -
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signed |
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