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KOBLAKA1
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Posted - 2013.07.03 23:50:00 -
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/signed if amended to only affected skills ie Amarr heavy refunded and suit core upgrade types not refunded |
KOBLAKA1
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Posted - 2013.07.04 00:29:00 -
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If they made it amarr so heavy became just Heavy suit,(unlocking all BASIC heavy suits) and then from there you had to pick Caldari sentinel or Winmatar Commandont I would be ok with no respec. |
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Posted - 2013.07.04 00:51:00 -
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Kekklian Noobatronic wrote:This game is not in beta anymore, but they bloody well treat it like it is. Skills are an investment in time. When you make huge changes, you are basically sh**ing on someone's investment and time spent. In this case, their customers time.
i don't agree with the rest of your statement because balancing will happen regularly and regular rtespecs would be bad. However, releasing racial variants is not balancing its witholding BASIC content. Imagine If Caldari medium frames werent released yet and in six months the Calogi is released you would all be singing a different tune because you just wasted millions of SP in Amarr and now have to start from scratch to get BASIC content. |
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Posted - 2013.07.04 01:03:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:For those looking for a respec, I can make a deal with you. Send me 10 million ISK and I will make sure CCP sends you the respec. This is not a scam.
sent and shortly after a CCP GM sent me a mail confirming my ticket |
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Posted - 2013.07.04 01:12:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Kador Ouryon wrote:zzZaXxx wrote:After everything is in it might be a good idea. dunno about that but after core content surely. Everything will never be in. The core content is already in, and they already had a respec.
So Winmatar heavy skill is in? where is it willing to pay 2 mil for it |
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Posted - 2013.07.04 01:22:00 -
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Miokai Zahou wrote:Haha more of this silly concept of SP respecs. You must be a special kind of stupid to think the CCP will give out another respec just because you hate your build and want the 'flavor of the month/week'. They already stated that it won't happen. Get over it. This game is about consequences to the choices and actions you all make just like in EvE because, guess what. This is an EvE game to. You made your bed. Now lie in it or grind like I am doing.
I HAVE to spec amarr to play heavy, how is that a choice? Militia for the next year by your standards that'll keep people coming back... |
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Posted - 2013.07.04 01:28:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:KOBLAKA1 wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Kador Ouryon wrote:zzZaXxx wrote:After everything is in it might be a good idea. dunno about that but after core content surely. Everything will never be in. The core content is already in, and they already had a respec. So Winmatar heavy skill is in? where is it willing to pay 2 mil for it Again, how did you determine Miny Heavies as "core" content? How do you differentiate "core" from "non-core" in such a way that it prevents future players from having the same problem you have now without making respecs a commonplace?
Umm 4 races of Light, medium, and heavy suits. Again Medium Frame guys not getting it because they have all their stuff... |
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Posted - 2013.07.04 01:34:00 -
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Miokai Zahou wrote:KOBLAKA1 wrote:Miokai Zahou wrote:Haha more of this silly concept of SP respecs. You must be a special kind of stupid to think the CCP will give out another respec just because you hate your build and want the 'flavor of the month/week'. They already stated that it won't happen. Get over it. This game is about consequences to the choices and actions you all make just like in EvE because, guess what. This is an EvE game to. You made your bed. Now lie in it or grind like I am doing. I HAVE to spec amarr to play heavy, how is that a choice? Militia for the next year by your standards that'll keep people coming back... How about you buy some boosters then on the market if you're SO keen to get there asap? Really, get over yourself as there are plenty of people in the same situation but harden up and do the SP grind because in the end, it will be worth it. I'll be building up the SP when CCP releases heavy shield suits AND I'll work on the heavy weapons. Until then I'll be improving my CPU/Powergrid, shields, AR etc etc. Don't like it? quit.
So you dont play Heavy now then i take it? So in other words you are giving yourself options. HMM must be nice since you go tthe suit you wanted already
edit: I don't need to quit its F2P im not buying more aurem unless i get my respec (FOR ONLY SP SPENT IN HEAVY SUITS) how you like them apples hardass :P |
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Posted - 2013.07.04 01:36:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:Promethius Franklin wrote: How would you not consider all racial variants of the basic frame to not be core? I can see specializations not going with that logic, but every race should have it's entry for the basic suits.
Will MTACS be "specializations" in your opinion and if yes, why? Aren't MTACS, jets and whatever new stuff we get in the next years going to be the "core" stuff for some players just as the various suits, HAVs and DSs are for you right now? You either won't solve the central issue you pretend to address ( the fact that some people can not train the stuff they want) for anyone but those playing right now (read: you) or effectively demand respecs every few months. I find both unacceptable. I will not condone respecs now just so that others will make the same demand a little later. I will not accept regular respecs for reasons that have been exhausted countless times.
MTACs equal no because there are no variants out already. There is a hevay variant amarr. |
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Posted - 2013.07.04 01:42:00 -
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Miokai Zahou wrote:KOBLAKA1 wrote:Miokai Zahou wrote:KOBLAKA1 wrote:Miokai Zahou wrote:Haha more of this silly concept of SP respecs. You must be a special kind of stupid to think the CCP will give out another respec just because you hate your build and want the 'flavor of the month/week'. They already stated that it won't happen. Get over it. This game is about consequences to the choices and actions you all make just like in EvE because, guess what. This is an EvE game to. You made your bed. Now lie in it or grind like I am doing. I HAVE to spec amarr to play heavy, how is that a choice? Militia for the next year by your standards that'll keep people coming back... How about you buy some boosters then on the market if you're SO keen to get there asap? Really, get over yourself as there are plenty of people in the same situation but harden up and do the SP grind because in the end, it will be worth it. I'll be building up the SP when CCP releases heavy shield suits AND I'll work on the heavy weapons. Until then I'll be improving my CPU/Powergrid, shields, AR etc etc. Don't like it? quit. So you dont play Heavy now then i take it? So in other words you are giving yourself options. HMM must be nice since you go tthe suit you wanted already edit: I don't need to quit its F2P im not buying more aurem unless i get my respec (FOR ONLY SP SPENT IN HEAVY SUITS) how you like them apples hardass :P Actually I bought the Elite pack, some BPOs on the market and tested all the build I wanted then decided on what I wanted.
I know i wanted heavy as well |
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Posted - 2013.07.04 01:43:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:KOBLAKA1 wrote: Umm 4 races of Light, medium, and heavy suits. Again Medium Frame guys not getting it because they have all their stuff...
You're not answering my question i'm afraid so let me rephrase it: How is it fair that you get your respec to your favourite heavy variant and at the same time the next KOBLAKA1 will not be allowed to respec into his favourite MTAC variant in a year or so. The issue is the same in both cases. You would have to tell the next KOBLAKA1 to HTFU just as we keep telling you now. You will have gotten what you wanted by that time, just as i have now. Why is this fair?
I already answered this.
Koblaka1 wrote: MTACs equal no because there are no variants out already. There is a hevay variant amarr.
edit: I also only condone the SP in Heavy Suits be refunded everything else should stay put. IE Core upgrades and shield extension DO NOT get refunded. ] |
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Posted - 2013.07.04 02:04:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:KOBLAKA1 wrote:I already answered this. KOBLAKA1 wrote:
[quote=Koblaka1] MTACs equal no because there are no variants out already. There is a hevay variant amarr.
edit: I also only condone the SP in Heavy Suits be refunded everything else should stay put. IE Core upgrades and shield extension DO NOT get refunded.
I can tell you right now that the players that will face the same issue as you do currently will not care a bit about the fact that MTACS where not released by the time the last respec will have been granted and gone. Especially since the only difference between "get's a respec" and "get's no respec" is just the time it got released. From the future player's viewpoint, the situation will be just the same unless CCP actually manages to release content racially symmetrical from now on and i'm pretty sure this is not going to happen. Limiting it to the tree in question is helpfull, i agree. That's not my issue right now though.
its not just time released but the fact that everyone gets a head start in their preferred class except heavies and scouts. It would be different if heavies hadnt been released yet. If they all came out at once then HTFU everyone is on equal footing. Medium frames got all of their variants so they got to CHOOSE a variant for the role they wanted to play. I did not get to CHOOSE the variant to play my desired role, to play how i want to i HAD to pick amarr. When MTACs are released everyone will be on equal footing in terms of speccing them. If i want to roll Winmatar Heavy without a respec to heavy suits, I will be significantly behind in playing the variant suit at no fault of my own compared to people that wanted the Amarr variant and don't have waste sp. Does that make more sense?
Its core content in that every race has 3 frames of suit. When you start you pick the role you want from the race that fits your playstyle. Without all the suits being released at no fault to the player, their CHOICE for "making their bed" is limited, and the playing field is not level. |
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Posted - 2013.07.04 02:12:00 -
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Also I only have Amarr heavy to III for just in case they don't respec :D I play EVE i aint no fool. I still feel for the cause though |
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Posted - 2013.07.04 02:41:00 -
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Acezero 44 wrote:no respecs,. no way
In new eden you "grow" your toon like a plant. Get used to it,..
too bad i was forced on what seeds to use, must be nice having options in your medium frame |
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Posted - 2013.07.04 05:22:00 -
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Acezero 44 wrote:KOBLAKA1 wrote:Acezero 44 wrote:no respecs,. no way
In new eden you "grow" your toon like a plant. Get used to it,..
too bad i was forced on what seeds to use, must be nice having options in your medium frame your not forced, you made that bed now sleep in it.. /edit I use scout btw,. 100% of the time. please go back and read the actual thread this is effin deja vu. Im heavy i had a whole bunch of options if i wanted to do my preferred playstyle. Quit being dumb |
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