DUST Search - Optional Respecs after all New Content

Maken Tosch wrote:

dday3six wrote:

Maken Tosch wrote:

No legit information? You actually think that no one gave legit information on why respecs are bad? You are a special kind of ignorant aren't you? Search the damn forums.

The economics.
The data CCP needs for balancing weapons and things.
etc.

These and many others are legit reasons why CCP publicly announced no more respecs. Quit your damn request for more respecs because CCP has already made up their mind about it. No more respecs. Period. People need to get their heads out of their asses.

When is the economy coming? How are you so sure it will be negatively impacted if we don't know anything about it. You're guessing from experience with Eve. However Dust is not Eve, because subscription playerbase is completely different from free to play playerbase.

Data is always better when derived from a larger source. If more players have the ability to spec into possible counters to popular set ups. While not being punished if testing proves a counter to be less effective in practice then on paper. They will be more likely to try new set ups out. Players chase the flavor of the month because they know it's good, and because experiementing is faced with HTFU and Welcome to New Eden. Either way I hate to break it to you because the data used to balance the game comes mostly from Dev testing. They used Dev account with unlimited SP and ISK.

Personally I think you've afraid of having to make good on your threat to quit both Dust and Eve if respecs are made part of the game more then anything else.

My mind is already made up and so is CCP's on this. How many times do we have to remind everyone that CCP announced that there will be no more respecs barring any catastrophic event?

By the way, I'm not afraid to make good on my threat. I will quit DUST and Eve Online as well if CCP implements optional respecs because then they will have effectively violated their core principle that they publicly established as a company and that they would be coming across as just another greedy company that went back on its word of no more respecs. Don't forget that Eve players have much greater leverage on CCP's decisions than DUST players do. We are their primary source of income after all and we are not afraid to start another Jita riot if we have to.


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dday3six Intrepidus XI Omega Commission 42	Posted - 2013.07.03 23:31:00 - [1] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: No legit information? You actually think that no one gave legit information on why respecs are bad? You are a special kind of ignorant aren't you? Search the damn forums. The economics. The data CCP needs for balancing weapons and things. etc. These and many others are legit reasons why CCP publicly announced no more respecs. Quit your damn request for more respecs because CCP has already made up their mind about it. No more respecs. Period. People need to get their heads out of their asses. When is the economy coming? How are you so sure it will be negatively impacted if we don't know anything about it. You're guessing from experience with Eve. However Dust is not Eve, because subscription playerbase is completely different from free to play playerbase. Data is always better when derived from a larger source. If more players have the ability to spec into possible counters to popular set ups. While not being punished if testing proves a counter to be less effective in practice then on paper. They will be more likely to try new set ups out. Players chase the flavor of the month because they know it's good, and because experiementing is faced with HTFU and Welcome to New Eden. Either way I hate to break it to you because the data used to balance the game comes mostly from Dev testing. They used Dev account with unlimited SP and ISK. Personally I think you've afraid of having to make good on your threat to quit both Dust and Eve if respecs are made part of the game more then anything else.
dday3six Intrepidus XI Omega Commission 42	Posted - 2013.07.04 00:27:00 - [2] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: dday3six wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: No legit information? You actually think that no one gave legit information on why respecs are bad? You are a special kind of ignorant aren't you? Search the damn forums. The economics. The data CCP needs for balancing weapons and things. etc. These and many others are legit reasons why CCP publicly announced no more respecs. Quit your damn request for more respecs because CCP has already made up their mind about it. No more respecs. Period. People need to get their heads out of their asses. When is the economy coming? How are you so sure it will be negatively impacted if we don't know anything about it. You're guessing from experience with Eve. However Dust is not Eve, because subscription playerbase is completely different from free to play playerbase. Data is always better when derived from a larger source. If more players have the ability to spec into possible counters to popular set ups. While not being punished if testing proves a counter to be less effective in practice then on paper. They will be more likely to try new set ups out. Players chase the flavor of the month because they know it's good, and because experiementing is faced with HTFU and Welcome to New Eden. Either way I hate to break it to you because the data used to balance the game comes mostly from Dev testing. They used Dev account with unlimited SP and ISK. Personally I think you've afraid of having to make good on your threat to quit both Dust and Eve if respecs are made part of the game more then anything else. My mind is already made up and so is CCP's on this. How many times do we have to remind everyone that CCP announced that there will be no more respecs barring any catastrophic event? By the way, I'm not afraid to make good on my threat. I will quit DUST and Eve Online as well if CCP implements optional respecs because then they will have effectively violated their core principle that they publicly established as a company and that they would be coming across as just another greedy company that went back on its word of no more respecs. Don't forget that Eve players have much greater leverage on CCP's decisions than DUST players do. We are their primary source of income after all and we are not afraid to start another Jita riot if we have to. Not afraid? If you're going to quit if CCP adds respecs why are you outlining a different course of action? Then it's utterly hypocritical that Eve players will "revolt" if CCP crosses an imaginary line in the sand, but Dust players should roll over and take it. Comes off and tab bit self important. CCP can change their mind you know. I know you don't want them to, cause you're going to quit and all, but matter of fact they' have still been giving out respecs, long after the originally posted deadline. CCP is going to weigh the cost of adding respecs. Which ever option comes out most favorable for them is going to be their route of choice. It's easily to act morally superior when it's not your company or your choices to make, but just because a company which needs revenue to continue doing business wants to make more revenue doesn't mean they are greedy.
dday3six Intrepidus XI Omega Commission 42	Posted - 2013.07.04 18:28:00 - [3] - Quote Until all 4 races are represented with regards to dropsuits, vehicles, weapons, etc I support respecs offered via support ticket as those items are released. Afterwards I think a free option to respec once or twice a year would be healthy for the game. Also I think respecs should be sold as AUR items. Have them be like boosters with a cooldown clock as to when the next one can be used. The game is free to play and needs revenue from players willing to spend money on the game.
dday3six Intrepidus XI Omega Commission 42	Posted - 2013.07.05 04:59:00 - [4] - Quote Tharak Meuridiar wrote: F1RST19 wrote: Signed 100% I dont see why other people are not agreeing but giving legit information on to not have another respec... How about you get lost and or ** off. Take your somewhere else.... I have 10mill skills into that I didnt want before because the stuff I had was broken, having another opportunity to have a respec is all we need... After this update... I mean this update is literally a game changer. fixed a ton of stuff.. I want my respec.... Anyone who asks for a respec EVER** is entirely missing the point of this kind of skill system. You have unlimited SP, no skill locks you out of other skills. This isn't a game where you make 1 build and respec every time something alters it effectiveness. If you want a new build then earn the SP and spec into it. People should be able to entirely remap their characters every time CCP farts. Especially not people with 10 million SP. Suck it up buttercup. 10 million SP bearly scratches the surface of maximizing a specialization, and while it's true a player can stop at Advanced gear and move on to something else, they're hindering themselves by doing so whenever they face someone in Proto. That's really what the issue is about. Players must spend months accruing SP to compete against a large pool of players who are already in Proto gear. There is nothing else to do in Dust other then Public PvP matches at the moment, meaning that players must spend those aforementioned months playing against what is currently a large pool of players who run in squads and all use Proto gear. The cost of trying something new is a longer duration of subjection to public match coniditions in which newer players are utterly out matched by those with better gear. This I feel stifles player desire to diversify, and even causes them to flock to flavor of the month strategies because they're "safer". While I don't think respecs should be overly frequent something around 1 or 2 a year, with an additional AUR limited option as well. I believe they would be good for the health of game and for player retention. I understand this badge of honor ideal players, many whom come from Eve, have with regards to sticking though it. I just don't think it's going to work for Dust as well. The game has less to do content wise, and is a free to play business model.
dday3six Intrepidus XI Omega Commission 46	Posted - 2013.07.05 20:01:00 - [5] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: KING SALASI wrote: This game needs a repsec option at all times, CCP could charge aurum for it. It keeps the game fresh so u are not stuck in one class. Dust ATM the moment is a lobby shooter, having the option to try out diff classes will be good for players and it's another form of revenue for CCP. It's a win win in my book. Once again, you are forgetting that CCP already confirmed that there are no more respecs in the future. They have already made up their mind on this. It's just not going to happen so I see no point in this discussion if CCP is not going to hand out more respecs. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=34744&p=3 If you look at the post from 7/4 on page 3 you'll notice Skill Back Boosters are going to be further discussed by the Dev Team. CCP doesn't seem to be as straight up "no" to respec as you think. Also just because you're tired of telling people "no", and are threating to quit both Eve Online and Dust if some form of respecs are added doesn't mean players can't have a discussion about respecs. This is after all a forum mention for discussion.