DUST Search - Optional Respecs after all New Content

Kiro Justice wrote:

ZDub 303 wrote:

Kiro Justice wrote:

ZDub 303 wrote:

Amen.

No respecs is so boring. And the only tier that matters in this game is proto.

If CCP expects that any more than the 4000 people currently playing this game will be happy with grinding 3 months for every new gun they want to try... yep... GL with your dying game.

At this point... monthly free respecs will actually save this game more than it would ever hurt it. more SP will always be better, as you can spec into multiple items and switch on the fly.

**** the RPG aspects, let this just be a decent FPS.

You're very stupid.

Play a PC match against imperfects or hellstorm. Would like to see you go positive in advanced gear.

In a competitive pvp setting, the best gear is always the only relevant gear.

If I wanna change from an AR build to a shotgun build I need proto kin cats, cardiac regs, and at least prof 3 in shotguns before you would even stand a chance.

Thats a good 3-4 million SP before you could even be allowed to use that build in PC. 4 million SP is 2 months boosted and 3 months unboosted.

Not to mention, if you want even decent infantry skills, you'll never be able to actually use vehicles to their true potential.

All this SP system is doing is locking you out of content they have spent time and money creating. Its essentially saying, pick one build and that's all you will be able to use for the next 8 months until it is maxed and you can start to diversify a little bit.

Nobody cares anymore... it sounded cool at first.. but really.. it just makes the game feel like a monotonous grind.

So you'd rather no decision in this game mean anything, and everyone just not care about making mistakes because they can just Respec them away? Not to mention how (When we get integrated) this will effect EvE players, then they'll want respecs willy-nilly and there goes the persistance. Immediately the economy idea is gone, because people will only get one type of gear (The FoTM) and implementing an economy would just cause it to be...Not, since everything except one set of things will be cheap. Not to mention the assassination of enjoyability. So you have the FoTM, and you start to win, but you're running into the same fights again and again, no diversity, no choice, no change. Yeah, random respecs. Great idea. Truly man.

Pages: 1 [2] 3 4 5 6 7 :: one page

Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 0 post(s)
Django Quik R.I.f.t 795	Posted - 2013.07.03 22:04:00 - [31] - Quote Can we just get a forum area for requesting respecs already? Then we don't have to see the multiple daily threads saying this same thing from the same people every single day. There will always be more stuff; there will always be balancing; if you get a respec when something changes and you don't like the new thing you're now skilled into, you're just going to be whining about wanting another respec straight away. This game is about choosing your path and building on it, not changing your mind willy nilly and choices meaning nothing.
Niuvo The Phoenix Federation 55	Posted - 2013.07.03 22:09:00 - [32] - Quote If you got your respec, leave us alone. So I hereby undersign this request.
Harkon Vysarii Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 369	Posted - 2013.07.03 22:10:00 - [33] - Quote Signed- I understand the issue of flavour of the month builds developing again but the issue is this content should have been available to us, CCP has to give us the opportunity to spec into the things we want to play with. Personally I know of no games where diverse racial groups were created and subsequently content crucial to that race was not give to players on release. I have 3 Toons 2 Caldari Assault, 1 Amarr Assault what I wanted to do from the start was 1 Caldari EM logi/Scout, 1 Amarr Heavy Assault, and 1 Caldari Commando I've been forced to build in specific ways, not that ive wanted to but its the only way for me to be able to play the game well right now, so why should I be punished for this?
SILVERBACK 02 BetaMax. CRONOS. 119	Posted - 2013.07.03 22:15:00 - [34] - Quote signed.
Harkon Vysarii Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 369	Posted - 2013.07.03 22:18:00 - [35] - Quote Kiro Justice wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Amen. No respecs is so boring. And the only tier that matters in this game is proto. If CCP expects that any more than the 4000 people currently playing this game will be happy with grinding 3 months for every new gun they want to try... yep... GL with your dying game. At this point... monthly free respecs will actually save this game more than it would ever hurt it. more SP will always be better, as you can spec into multiple items and switch on the fly. **** the RPG aspects, let this just be a decent FPS. You're very stupid. I want CCP to make Dropsuits way more expensive so that they become real assets to players not like they are currently. Remember that 2009 vid....yeah I want proto dropsuits to cost well over 250K ISK so proto is not the only viable equipment type in the game.
Xender17 Intrepidus XI Omega Commission 194	Posted - 2013.07.03 22:27:00 - [36] - Quote I only want it for when certain players when certain things are introduced. If they introduced a new racial HAV respect players that are speced into that. But lock skill points to vehicle modules and vehicle command. New scout suit. Respec the sp of light suits and lock it to light suits.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 564	Posted - 2013.07.03 23:01:00 - [37] - Quote Kiro Justice wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Amen. No respecs is so boring. And the only tier that matters in this game is proto. If CCP expects that any more than the 4000 people currently playing this game will be happy with grinding 3 months for every new gun they want to try... yep... GL with your dying game. At this point... monthly free respecs will actually save this game more than it would ever hurt it. more SP will always be better, as you can spec into multiple items and switch on the fly. **** the RPG aspects, let this just be a decent FPS. You're very stupid. Play a PC match against imperfects or hellstorm. Would like to see you go positive in advanced gear. In a competitive pvp setting, the best gear is always the only relevant gear. If I wanna change from an AR build to a shotgun build I need proto kin cats, cardiac regs, and at least prof 3 in shotguns before you would even stand a chance. Thats a good 3-4 million SP before you could even be allowed to use that build in PC. 4 million SP is 2 months boosted and 3 months unboosted. Not to mention, if you want even decent infantry skills, you'll never be able to actually use vehicles to their true potential. All this SP system is doing is locking you out of content they have spent time and money creating. Its essentially saying, pick one build and that's all you will be able to use for the next 8 months until it is maxed and you can start to diversify a little bit. Nobody cares anymore... it sounded cool at first.. but really.. it just makes the game feel like a monotonous grind.
dday3six Intrepidus XI Omega Commission 42	Posted - 2013.07.03 23:31:00 - [38] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: No legit information? You actually think that no one gave legit information on why respecs are bad? You are a special kind of ignorant aren't you? Search the damn forums. The economics. The data CCP needs for balancing weapons and things. etc. These and many others are legit reasons why CCP publicly announced no more respecs. Quit your damn request for more respecs because CCP has already made up their mind about it. No more respecs. Period. People need to get their heads out of their asses. When is the economy coming? How are you so sure it will be negatively impacted if we don't know anything about it. You're guessing from experience with Eve. However Dust is not Eve, because subscription playerbase is completely different from free to play playerbase. Data is always better when derived from a larger source. If more players have the ability to spec into possible counters to popular set ups. While not being punished if testing proves a counter to be less effective in practice then on paper. They will be more likely to try new set ups out. Players chase the flavor of the month because they know it's good, and because experiementing is faced with HTFU and Welcome to New Eden. Either way I hate to break it to you because the data used to balance the game comes mostly from Dev testing. They used Dev account with unlimited SP and ISK. Personally I think you've afraid of having to make good on your threat to quit both Dust and Eve if respecs are made part of the game more then anything else.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 3005	Posted - 2013.07.03 23:49:00 - [39] - Quote dday3six wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: No legit information? You actually think that no one gave legit information on why respecs are bad? You are a special kind of ignorant aren't you? Search the damn forums. The economics. The data CCP needs for balancing weapons and things. etc. These and many others are legit reasons why CCP publicly announced no more respecs. Quit your damn request for more respecs because CCP has already made up their mind about it. No more respecs. Period. People need to get their heads out of their asses. When is the economy coming? How are you so sure it will be negatively impacted if we don't know anything about it. You're guessing from experience with Eve. However Dust is not Eve, because subscription playerbase is completely different from free to play playerbase. Data is always better when derived from a larger source. If more players have the ability to spec into possible counters to popular set ups. While not being punished if testing proves a counter to be less effective in practice then on paper. They will be more likely to try new set ups out. Players chase the flavor of the month because they know it's good, and because experiementing is faced with HTFU and Welcome to New Eden. Either way I hate to break it to you because the data used to balance the game comes mostly from Dev testing. They used Dev account with unlimited SP and ISK. Personally I think you've afraid of having to make good on your threat to quit both Dust and Eve if respecs are made part of the game more then anything else. My mind is already made up and so is CCP's on this. How many times do we have to remind everyone that CCP announced that there will be no more respecs barring any catastrophic event? By the way, I'm not afraid to make good on my threat. I will quit DUST and Eve Online as well if CCP implements optional respecs because then they will have effectively violated their core principle that they publicly established as a company and that they would be coming across as just another greedy company that went back on its word of no more respecs. Don't forget that Eve players have much greater leverage on CCP's decisions than DUST players do. We are their primary source of income after all and we are not afraid to start another Jita riot if we have to.
KEROSIINI-TERO Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 515	Posted - 2013.07.03 23:49:00 - [40] - Quote Again people crying for infinite respecs. Because that's what it means. Think about it.

KOBLAKA1 Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 203	Posted - 2013.07.03 23:50:00 - [41] - Quote /signed if amended to only affected skills ie Amarr heavy refunded and suit core upgrade types not refunded
Kiro Justice Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION 179	Posted - 2013.07.04 00:09:00 - [42] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Kiro Justice wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Amen. No respecs is so boring. And the only tier that matters in this game is proto. If CCP expects that any more than the 4000 people currently playing this game will be happy with grinding 3 months for every new gun they want to try... yep... GL with your dying game. At this point... monthly free respecs will actually save this game more than it would ever hurt it. more SP will always be better, as you can spec into multiple items and switch on the fly. **** the RPG aspects, let this just be a decent FPS. You're very stupid. Play a PC match against imperfects or hellstorm. Would like to see you go positive in advanced gear. In a competitive pvp setting, the best gear is always the only relevant gear. If I wanna change from an AR build to a shotgun build I need proto kin cats, cardiac regs, and at least prof 3 in shotguns before you would even stand a chance. Thats a good 3-4 million SP before you could even be allowed to use that build in PC. 4 million SP is 2 months boosted and 3 months unboosted. Not to mention, if you want even decent infantry skills, you'll never be able to actually use vehicles to their true potential. All this SP system is doing is locking you out of content they have spent time and money creating. Its essentially saying, pick one build and that's all you will be able to use for the next 8 months until it is maxed and you can start to diversify a little bit. Nobody cares anymore... it sounded cool at first.. but really.. it just makes the game feel like a monotonous grind. So you'd rather no decision in this game mean anything, and everyone just not care about making mistakes because they can just Respec them away? Not to mention how (When we get integrated) this will effect EvE players, then they'll want respecs willy-nilly and there goes the persistance. Immediately the economy idea is gone, because people will only get one type of gear (The FoTM) and implementing an economy would just cause it to be...Not, since everything except one set of things will be cheap. Not to mention the assassination of enjoyability. So you have the FoTM, and you start to win, but you're running into the same fights again and again, no diversity, no choice, no change. Yeah, random respecs. Great idea. Truly man.
BuTtHuRtPEepZ Raging Pack of Homos 33	Posted - 2013.07.04 00:14:00 - [43] - Quote rather than respecs, i would rather have militia variants of the new weapons coming out
Kador Ouryon Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 21	Posted - 2013.07.04 00:14:00 - [44] - Quote Kiro Justice wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Kiro Justice wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Amen. No respecs is so boring. And the only tier that matters in this game is proto. If CCP expects that any more than the 4000 people currently playing this game will be happy with grinding 3 months for every new gun they want to try... yep... GL with your dying game. At this point... monthly free respecs will actually save this game more than it would ever hurt it. more SP will always be better, as you can spec into multiple items and switch on the fly. **** the RPG aspects, let this just be a decent FPS. You're very stupid. Play a PC match against imperfects or hellstorm. Would like to see you go positive in advanced gear. In a competitive pvp setting, the best gear is always the only relevant gear. If I wanna change from an AR build to a shotgun build I need proto kin cats, cardiac regs, and at least prof 3 in shotguns before you would even stand a chance. Thats a good 3-4 million SP before you could even be allowed to use that build in PC. 4 million SP is 2 months boosted and 3 months unboosted. Not to mention, if you want even decent infantry skills, you'll never be able to actually use vehicles to their true potential. All this SP system is doing is locking you out of content they have spent time and money creating. Its essentially saying, pick one build and that's all you will be able to use for the next 8 months until it is maxed and you can start to diversify a little bit. Nobody cares anymore... it sounded cool at first.. but really.. it just makes the game feel like a monotonous grind. So you'd rather no decision in this game mean anything, and everyone just not care about making mistakes because they can just Respec them away? Not to mention how (When we get integrated) this will effect EvE players, then they'll want respecs willy-nilly and there goes the persistance. Immediately the economy idea is gone, because people will only get one type of gear (The FoTM) and implementing an economy would just cause it to be...Not, since everything except one set of things will be cheap. Not to mention the assassination of enjoyability. So you have the FoTM, and you start to win, but you're running into the same fights again and again, no diversity, no choice, no change. Yeah, random respecs. Great idea. Truly man. I just want one final respec after the content is released. That was I can have a tanker toon, a scout toon, and an Assault toon. There we go all the versatility in the world right there.
Michael Arck sephiroth clones General Tso's Alliance 67	Posted - 2013.07.04 00:16:00 - [45] - Quote "Hey Harry, you've ever been to recall?!" "Recall?" "Yea Recall" "Ohhh Recall! Recall, recall, recall!"
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 798	Posted - 2013.07.04 00:27:00 - [46] - Quote People wouldn't ask for respecs if skills simply affected efficacy and everything was unlocked initially, requiring ISK to purchase. "Sense of progress", "longevity", "choices & consequences" and "giving weight to your decisions" will still apply if ISK costs for advanced gear and up are extremely high. You're stuck buying a few fits at a time, until you accumulate enough for a single game. And if you go badly, you're back to square one. The more you play the game, the more you're at risk of being killed and losing ISK (unless you're a sniper), and hence the gap between vets and newbies closes as the game progresses and vets gain ISK at a rate slower than that of a newbie, because of the difference in gear costs. Of course, vets could equip militia gear. That's even better; now there is no equipment gap in-game, and hence pubstomping will truly reflect teamwork.
dday3six Intrepidus XI Omega Commission 42	Posted - 2013.07.04 00:27:00 - [47] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: dday3six wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: No legit information? You actually think that no one gave legit information on why respecs are bad? You are a special kind of ignorant aren't you? Search the damn forums. The economics. The data CCP needs for balancing weapons and things. etc. These and many others are legit reasons why CCP publicly announced no more respecs. Quit your damn request for more respecs because CCP has already made up their mind about it. No more respecs. Period. People need to get their heads out of their asses. When is the economy coming? How are you so sure it will be negatively impacted if we don't know anything about it. You're guessing from experience with Eve. However Dust is not Eve, because subscription playerbase is completely different from free to play playerbase. Data is always better when derived from a larger source. If more players have the ability to spec into possible counters to popular set ups. While not being punished if testing proves a counter to be less effective in practice then on paper. They will be more likely to try new set ups out. Players chase the flavor of the month because they know it's good, and because experiementing is faced with HTFU and Welcome to New Eden. Either way I hate to break it to you because the data used to balance the game comes mostly from Dev testing. They used Dev account with unlimited SP and ISK. Personally I think you've afraid of having to make good on your threat to quit both Dust and Eve if respecs are made part of the game more then anything else. My mind is already made up and so is CCP's on this. How many times do we have to remind everyone that CCP announced that there will be no more respecs barring any catastrophic event? By the way, I'm not afraid to make good on my threat. I will quit DUST and Eve Online as well if CCP implements optional respecs because then they will have effectively violated their core principle that they publicly established as a company and that they would be coming across as just another greedy company that went back on its word of no more respecs. Don't forget that Eve players have much greater leverage on CCP's decisions than DUST players do. We are their primary source of income after all and we are not afraid to start another Jita riot if we have to. Not afraid? If you're going to quit if CCP adds respecs why are you outlining a different course of action? Then it's utterly hypocritical that Eve players will "revolt" if CCP crosses an imaginary line in the sand, but Dust players should roll over and take it. Comes off and tab bit self important. CCP can change their mind you know. I know you don't want them to, cause you're going to quit and all, but matter of fact they' have still been giving out respecs, long after the originally posted deadline. CCP is going to weigh the cost of adding respecs. Which ever option comes out most favorable for them is going to be their route of choice. It's easily to act morally superior when it's not your company or your choices to make, but just because a company which needs revenue to continue doing business wants to make more revenue doesn't mean they are greedy.
KOBLAKA1 Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 203	Posted - 2013.07.04 00:29:00 - [48] - Quote If they made it amarr so heavy became just Heavy suit,(unlocking all BASIC heavy suits) and then from there you had to pick Caldari sentinel or Winmatar Commandont I would be ok with no respec.
Kekklian Noobatronic Goonfeet 124	Posted - 2013.07.04 00:37:00 - [49] - Quote New content under the same paradigm, no respec. However, with the damage profile changes, and shifting in the entire game paradigm? Yea. I think so. But only after all new content is in.
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 561	Posted - 2013.07.04 00:38:00 - [50] - Quote I do not approve /notsigned

KOBLAKA1 Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 203	Posted - 2013.07.04 00:51:00 - [51] - Quote Kekklian Noobatronic wrote: This game is not in beta anymore, but they bloody well treat it like it is. Skills are an investment in time. When you make huge changes, you are basically sh**ing on someone's investment and time spent. In this case, their customers time. i don't agree with the rest of your statement because balancing will happen regularly and regular rtespecs would be bad. However, releasing racial variants is not balancing its witholding BASIC content. Imagine If Caldari medium frames werent released yet and in six months the Calogi is released you would all be singing a different tune because you just wasted millions of SP in Amarr and now have to start from scratch to get BASIC content.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 566	Posted - 2013.07.04 00:51:00 - [52] - Quote Kiro Justice wrote: So you'd rather no decision in this game mean anything, and everyone just not care about making mistakes because they can just Respec them away? Not to mention how (When we get integrated) this will effect EvE players, then they'll want respecs willy-nilly and there goes the persistance. Immediately the economy idea is gone, because people will only get one type of gear (The FoTM) and implementing an economy would just cause it to be...Not, since everything except one set of things will be cheap. Not to mention the assassination of enjoyability. So you have the FoTM, and you start to win, but you're running into the same fights again and again, no diversity, no choice, no change. Yeah, random respecs. Great idea. Truly man. You'd be surprised... the only reason we have FoTM right now is because the weapons and dropsuits are so imbalanced between eachother. Having respecs would allow CCP to see right away which suits are overpowered and which suits are not and make adjustments accordingly. With the way the current system is, they will never be able to accurately data mine the balancing information they need to make informed balancing decisions, as only a fraction of the player base will have the available SP to spec into something that will probably be nerfed into oblivion. I truly believe constant respecs will actually help the economy. For several reasons: First, people will be respecing occassionally just to spice up their playstyle for a little while. Like I said before.. I use ARs as they are most balanced for most situations and i don't have the SP to get proficiency 5 in a second weapon. But I really wanna mess around with shotguns and snipers, but it will be months before I can do that. I could have bought tons of shotguns and sniper rifles messing around with new specs. What if I wanna try gallente logi for a while? I'll have to buy those as well. People will be buying MORE assets, rather than less, if they have the opportunity to skill into different weapons from time to time. Second, some people will change specs just to capitalize on an abundance of a particular weapon that has hit he market. Lets say.. for a second.. that a large portion of the playerbase quits using LRs cause they got nerfed for whatever reason. In the current system, the market for LRs will tank.. as none of the current users will want to use them and nobody wants to waste their precious SP speccing into something they know sucks. Well there is a segment of the playerbase (albeit it might be small) that will try out LRs for a time simply because they are cheaper due to changing supply/demand. This action will help keep the market stable... and moving. With the current system, some people will make LRs, realize no one is using them.. and the supply demand economics kicks in. No one will make LRs and no one will use them, it will become self defeating. Third, sometimes people make mistakes. Should they be punished and just told "welcome to new eden, HTFU"? The current system clearly isn't working.. we only have ~4000 players on at a time... new player retention is horrible.. and a lot of times people start speccing into something and not realize its a playstyle they don't enjoy. Thats a lot of TIME wasted. This isn't eve where you gain all of your SP passively. In dust a good 50% of your SP is acquired through playing. Every point of wasted SP is wasted time for an individual. Trust me... people don't wanna play a game that makes them feel like they are wasting their time. Sometimes you can't tell if something will be good until you've reached proto. Take the scrambler rifle for example... I thought it was a POS until I was able to get the imperial. Then I saw the true power of that gun an enjoyed it. Same with dropsuit, you've got to spec 2.5 million to get lvl 5 tech 2 dropsuit... and you wont know for sure if the playstyle is any good until you've had full stats, full passives, and full module slots. Otherwise.. how would you know? You'll always be left wondering until you get there, and then you realize that its complete ****.. Welp.. thats 2.5 mil waste... glad I had to grind for 5 weeks just to get that! This game just isn't eve. but don't worry, CCP wont ever give us respecs.. cause it defeats the purpose of aurum gear. But it really hurts this game.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 3005	Posted - 2013.07.04 00:53:00 - [53] - Quote @dday We can continue this debate all we want. Respecs aren't coming back.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 3006	Posted - 2013.07.04 01:01:00 - [54] - Quote For those looking for a respec, I can make a deal with you. Send me 10 million ISK and I will make sure CCP sends you the respec. This is not a scam.
KOBLAKA1 Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 203	Posted - 2013.07.04 01:03:00 - [55] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: For those looking for a respec, I can make a deal with you. Send me 10 million ISK and I will make sure CCP sends you the respec. This is not a scam. sent and shortly after a CCP GM sent me a mail confirming my ticket
zzZaXxx The Exemplars Top Men. 51	Posted - 2013.07.04 01:05:00 - [56] - Quote After *everything* is in it might be a good idea.
Kador Ouryon Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 23	Posted - 2013.07.04 01:06:00 - [57] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: After *everything* is in it might be a good idea. dunno about that but after core content surely.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 856	Posted - 2013.07.04 01:09:00 - [58] - Quote Kador Ouryon wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: After *everything* is in it might be a good idea. dunno about that but after core content surely. Everything will never be in. The core content is already in, and they already had a respec.
Malkai Inos Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 517	Posted - 2013.07.04 01:10:00 - [59] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: After *everything* is in it might be a good idea. Provide a usefull definition of "everything" that accounts for the fact that future players will face the same situation we do whenever something gets added with racial variants missing. No do it without effectively mandating by-annual or even more regular respecs, thus making the single most important point of SP void.
KOBLAKA1 Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 203	Posted - 2013.07.04 01:12:00 - [60] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Kador Ouryon wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: After *everything* is in it might be a good idea. dunno about that but after core content surely. Everything will never be in. The core content is already in, and they already had a respec. So Winmatar heavy skill is in? where is it willing to pay 2 mil for it



Pages: 1 [2] 3 4 5 6 7 :: one page
First page \| Previous page \| Next page \| Last page