Gallante pilot suit skill:
-10% reduction on the cooldown time on ALL modules per lvl (50% on lvl5)
-+2% on the efficency on shield/armor modules per lvl (+10% on lvl 5)

Minmatarr pilot suit skill:
same like gallante but the second skill bonus is basically +2% on the efficency on damage mods for vehicles


My problem with that is that armor tanks would get overpowered beyond believe. It is possible to fit 2 large armor reps on a madrugar and the cooldown time is 30 secs and they are like 15 secs active. So cut the cooldown time in half what do we get? 15 secs cooldown time. So it would be possible to run 1 large armor repair module at all times by cycling trough them. And we all know how insanely good large armor repairs are. With this implemented every infantry player is basically becoming a PVE NPC that trys to kill the overtanked spaceship. Simple sayd armor tanks will farm infantry and shield tanks hard. In my opinion to balance this armor repairs+shield boosters should be excluded from this bonus.

They put the pilot suit in? I thought it was just Commando.

-10% reduction on the cooldown time on ALL modules per lvl (50% on lvl5)

No, it would only make Armour Tanks OP because Shield tanks are UP, Shield tanks need a buff, and then they'll be okay.

Gallante pilot suit skill:
-10% reduction on the cooldown time on ALL modules per lvl (50% on lvl5)
-+2% on the efficency on shield/armor modules per lvl (+10% on lvl 5)

Minmatarr pilot suit skill:
same like gallante but the second skill bonus is basically +2% on the efficency on damage mods for vehicles


My problem with that is that armor tanks would get overpowered beyond believe. It is possible to fit 2 large armor reps on a madrugar and the cooldown time is 30 secs and they are like 15 secs active. So cut the cooldown time in half what do we get? 15 secs cooldown time. So it would be possible to run 1 large armor repair module at all times by cycling trough them. And we all know how insanely good large armor repairs are. With this implemented every infantry player is basically becoming a PVE NPC that trys to kill the overtanked spaceship. Simple sayd armor tanks will farm infantry and shield tanks hard. In my opinion to balance this armor repairs+shield boosters should be excluded from this bonus.

I suspect they will have 1 equipment lost, and a sidearm slot, only.

Or since they are pilots suits no weapon slot

Or since they are pilots suits no weapon slot

My AR Fears no Tank

look at it this way
it means vehicle pilots will clamber all over the pilot suit and neglect all the other suits, and pilot suits will be pretty useless in combat.

so they trade any kind of actual battlefield usefulness for being more useful in a vehicle.
which makes sp/isk grinding ****** for them.
i'm cool with it, and i hate tankers

Every tank crew and pilot in every military organization on earth caries a sidearm/submachine gun.

I think professional killers from outer space would too.

Holy crap >_>

That's so OP I don't see how a blind monkey couldn't notice.

I'm thinking about balance, if the suit gives a bonus to being in a vehicle i.e. damage bonus, HP bonus, etc then it should be weaponless because it makes their vehicle better so they should be defenseless outside of it.

My AR Fears no Tank

Why are you trying to ruin my dual-rep setup already? >:o

The secret is triple light reps, with dual hardeners.

Blaster disaster.

My AR Fears no Tank

Someththing someone hasn't pointed out yet is the fact that both skills are x8 skills. That's ALOT of SP.

Let me guess, because you carry pathetically-easy-to-use Lai Dai packed AV grenades?

Gallante pilot suit skill:
-10% reduction on the cooldown time on ALL modules per lvl (50% on lvl5)
-+2% on the efficency on shield/armor modules per lvl (+10% on lvl 5)

Minmatarr pilot suit skill:
same like gallante but the second skill bonus is basically +2% on the efficency on damage mods for vehicles


My problem with that is that armor tanks would get overpowered beyond believe. It is possible to fit 2 large armor reps on a madrugar and the cooldown time is 30 secs and they are like 15 secs active. So cut the cooldown time in half what do we get? 15 secs cooldown time. So it would be possible to run 1 large armor repair module at all times by cycling trough them. And we all know how insanely good large armor repairs are. With this implemented every infantry player is basically becoming a PVE NPC that trys to kill the overtanked spaceship. Simple sayd armor tanks will farm infantry and shield tanks hard. In my opinion to balance this armor repairs+shield boosters should be excluded from this bonus.

The only thing pathetically easy to use will be a tank with 50% module cooldowns

Having effective vehicles makes the game more interesting and dynamic. The problem is matchmaking and ability to counter. The open beta dudes will stomp on the rest of us whether they're in protos or tanks. The key is to have a balanced number of them on both teams. The other issue is that most players, myself included, haven't specd into swarm launchers (or plasma cannons?) and can't spec into forge guns, so we're just stuck refitting into AV grenades...and that only when we're already being overran and it's obviously a problem.

The answer--as always--is to do your best to be part of an organized squad that has balanced capabilities.

I hope you're being sarcastic.

Gonna have to say the same thing to you :/

(not saying AV nades aren't easy to use, btw, but HAV with 50% cooldowns? Lmao, they'll have to make a new leaderboard for most tank deaths, cuz that's going to take some serious skills)

So now you'll have to bring someone along to destroy me. I think that sounds fair.

Shouldn't vehicles be OP?

I mean if they did not preform better then a guy on foot why would they exist at all?

AV grenades are pathetically easy to use, and so are swarm launchers. The only AV that's difficult is the forge gun. I'm not counting the plasma cannon because it's useless.

So now you'll have to bring someone along to destroy me. I think that sounds fair.

If you think 50% off of vehicle modules means we'll need to "bring someone along" then you clearly haven't had much luck driving tanks....

And tanks are very easy to pull around a corner and call back (especially armour tanks) And now its even easier to call them back in a few secs later and they are instantly back on the field.

Hopefully, they will make vehicles return in the same condition they left in.

With how easy it is to field auto-aiming AV, it's about time we had something good happen to our field.

IMO it would be pretty balanced if it were:

Pilot Suit Bonus: -2% Module Cooldown per level
Gallente Pilot Suit bonus: +2% armor/shield extender efficacy per level
Minmatar Pilot Suit bonus: +2% turret damage per level

Nice bonus in a game where the different between scrub and proto equipment is 10%. Not too ridiculous.

The bonuses as they are now, especially with how pre-nerfed Commando is, is simply insulting.

Try advancing with your infantry and sticking to cover at a distance and most of those problems will become null. (not saying AV vs vehicles doesn't still need some work, particularly vs dropships, but seriously, I watch tanks survive full matches all the damn time)

IMO it would be pretty balanced if it were:

Pilot Suit Bonus: -2% Module Cooldown per level
Gallente Pilot Suit bonus: +2% armor/shield extender efficacy per level
Minmatar Pilot Suit bonus: +2% turret damage per level

Nice bonus in a game where the different between scrub and proto equipment is 10%. Not too ridiculous.

The bonuses as they are now, especially with how pre-nerfed Commando is, is simply insulting.

No. Please refrain from posting your balance opinions if you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

With how easy it is to field auto-aiming AV, it's about time we had something good happen to our field.

Mind pointing me to the other options in game that give you a 50% boost to the efficiency of what you're running? I seem to have overlooked those somehow, my bad.

Gallante pilot suit skill:
-10% reduction on the cooldown time on ALL modules per lvl (50% on lvl5)
-+2% on the efficency on shield/armor modules per lvl (+10% on lvl 5)

Minmatarr pilot suit skill:
same like gallante but the second skill bonus is basically +2% on the efficency on damage mods for vehicles


My problem with that is that armor tanks would get overpowered beyond believe. It is possible to fit 2 large armor reps on a madrugar and the cooldown time is 30 secs and they are like 15 secs active. So cut the cooldown time in half what do we get? 15 secs cooldown time. So it would be possible to run 1 large armor repair module at all times by cycling trough them. And we all know how insanely good large armor repairs are. With this implemented every infantry player is basically becoming a PVE NPC that trys to kill the overtanked spaceship. Simple sayd armor tanks will farm infantry and shield tanks hard. In my opinion to balance this armor repairs+shield boosters should be excluded from this bonus.

Let me add that tanks don't have room for multiple shield/armor modules. So as a madruger with a 3100hp adv plate you are getting 310 more armor. Whoopee, you passed 7k. It's hardly a big difference. The minmatar bonus is actually a slight buff on shield tanks, because unlike drop suits, passive turret mods are all low slots, and a madruger driver would have to make a big sacrifice to fit one.

]How hard is it to get away from them? They were here last build and were slightly better yet still couldn't take out a tank because they were stupidity OP.

I guess you want the mobile death fortress back, god forbid ANTI-VEHICLE weapons should be effective vs vehicles.

Mind pointing me to the other options in game that give you a 50% boost to the efficiency of what you're running? I seem to have overlooked those somehow, my bad.

How hard? You obviously don't know. Flat, open area vs swarms? They hit every time. Far enough away for the swarm to terminate? You better already be half its maximum distance away. They turn near 360-¦ to hit you around corners and everything else. How to have something in front of you to block the shot? Exactly that, pray they can lock on while you're behind something solid so the missiles hit whatever is in front of you.

Maybe you should see our side of it.

Gallante pilot suit skill:
-10% reduction on the cooldown time on ALL modules per lvl (50% on lvl5)
-+2% on the efficency on shield/armor modules per lvl (+10% on lvl 5)

Minmatarr pilot suit skill:
same like gallante but the second skill bonus is basically +2% on the efficency on damage mods for vehicles


My problem with that is that armor tanks would get overpowered beyond believe. It is possible to fit 2 large armor reps on a madrugar and the cooldown time is 30 secs and they are like 15 secs active. So cut the cooldown time in half what do we get? 15 secs cooldown time. So it would be possible to run 1 large armor repair module at all times by cycling trough them. And we all know how insanely good large armor repairs are. With this implemented every infantry player is basically becoming a PVE NPC that trys to kill the overtanked spaceship. Simple sayd armor tanks will farm infantry and shield tanks hard. In my opinion to balance this armor repairs+shield boosters should be excluded from this bonus.

Your side? I fly dropships, I know what AV can do. I also run swarms and I've seen many people out and call back there tanks even when me and a friend are teaming up to take it out.

I fly assault dropships with armour harders and I run proto swarms. Both are giant isk sinks, because both are stupid easy to kill.

Would be willing to have your tank called back in the same condition? or not be able to recall it if has swarms locked on to it?

Shouldn't vehicles be OP?

I mean if they did not preform better then a guy on foot why would they exist at all?

Lol

Recall it in the redline. Problem solved.

Idiot

Yea, it's pretty clear you're afraid of intelligent discussion because you're wrong, so you'd rather give random responses to things people never said, and whine about not being able to operate an HAV unless you receive a completely absurd buff.

Well, I know who's tanks we'll be killing if we see them.

Good luck trying. I'm usually the backup.

Lol

Recall it in the redline. Problem solved.

Idiot

If Gallente heavy isn't as great as I think it would be then I'm going back to tanks.

I agree, that is op. I was referring to your idea of giving minmatar 10% turret damage. That would be stupid compared to the 300 health gallente drivers would get from their 10% shield/armor mod bonus.

Crying before something is even released....

Infantry players won't be happy until you can kill a madrugar with 3 basic AV grenades.

I replied in this thread. Those numbers are placeholder. The reason the role bonus was so high is because it makes it much easier to see changes when testing that all the skills are working as intended. Once it was clear the suits weren't going into 1.2 I stopped working on them and subsequently forgot to unpublish them. So, yeah, DERP.

Smooth

Shouldn't vehicles be OP?

I mean if they did not preform better then a guy on foot why would they exist at all?

Wasn't the best start to my day that's for sure.

Mind pointing me to the other options in game that give you a 50% boost to the efficiency of what you're running? I seem to have overlooked those somehow, my bad.

Wasn't the best start to my day that's for sure.

Gallante pilot suit skill:
-10% reduction on the cooldown time on ALL modules per lvl (50% on lvl5)
-+2% on the efficency on shield/armor modules per lvl (+10% on lvl 5)

Minmatarr pilot suit skill:
same like gallante but the second skill bonus is basically +2% on the efficency on damage mods for vehicles


My problem with that is that armor tanks would get overpowered beyond believe. It is possible to fit 2 large armor reps on a madrugar and the cooldown time is 30 secs and they are like 15 secs active. So cut the cooldown time in half what do we get? 15 secs cooldown time. So it would be possible to run 1 large armor repair module at all times by cycling trough them. And we all know how insanely good large armor repairs are. With this implemented every infantry player is basically becoming a PVE NPC that trys to kill the overtanked spaceship. Simple sayd armor tanks will farm infantry and shield tanks hard. In my opinion to balance this armor repairs+shield boosters should be excluded from this bonus.

I replied in this thread. Those numbers are placeholder. The reason the role bonus was so high is because it makes it much easier to see changes when testing that all the skills are working as intended. Once it was clear the suits weren't going into 1.2 I stopped working on them and subsequently forgot to unpublish them. So, yeah, DERP.

Why should the player base even remotely trust that those numbers would be placeholders and not final? With the new armor modules it was said that the trailer numbers weren't final but those were, so what makes this different from that ?

Wasn't the best start to my day that's for sure.

but you said 1.3 was content locked? or...

Tbqh it doesn't matter if you believe him or not.

Does this mean you're ok with having those stats on pilot suits, also it actually does matter wether i beliave or not, there's actually quite a bunch players that are cynical at best about ccp's trustworthiness when it comes to these matters.

Having a player base where the players distrust the dev's result in players ditching the game. Words usually are rather meaningless, and ccp's actions have been quite revealing. It's almost like faction warfare in eve, tons of promises and it took years to start doing something.

So yes, me having little to no faith in the developer's words represents a part of the player base that ccp is alienating from the game.

Ccp has also talked about making everything more transparent, but alas nothings happened on that front, and for 1.2 uprising, the information was behind a lead wall, even though they brought miss mintchip as a pr representative and she croaked around about us getting information "soon".

So yes, i'm disappointed in how ***** been handled.

ps. before you go "then don't play", I don't

Does this mean you're ok with having those stats on pilot suits, also it actually does matter wether i beliave or not, there's actually quite a bunch players that are cynical at best about ccp's trustworthiness when it comes to these matters.

Having a player base where the players distrust the dev's result in players ditching the game. Words usually are rather meaningless, and ccp's actions have been quite revealing. It's almost like faction warfare in eve, tons of promises and it took years to start doing something.

So yes, me having little to no faith in the developer's words represents a part of the player base that ccp is alienating from the game.

Ccp has also talked about making everything more transparent, but alas nothings happened on that front, and for 1.2 uprising, the information was behind a lead wall, even though they brought miss mintchip as a pr representative and she croaked around about us getting information "soon".

So yes, i'm disappointed in how ***** been handled.

ps. before you go "then don't play", I don't

Or since they are pilots suits no weapon slot

Every tank crew and pilot in every military organization on earth caries a sidearm/submachine gun.

I think professional killers from outer space would too.

Gallante pilot suit skill:
-10% reduction on the cooldown time on ALL modules per lvl (50% on lvl5)
-+2% on the efficency on shield/armor modules per lvl (+10% on lvl 5)

Minmatarr pilot suit skill:
same like gallante but the second skill bonus is basically +2% on the efficency on damage mods for vehicles


My problem with that is that armor tanks would get overpowered beyond believe. It is possible to fit 2 large armor reps on a madrugar and the cooldown time is 30 secs and they are like 15 secs active. So cut the cooldown time in half what do we get? 15 secs cooldown time. So it would be possible to run 1 large armor repair module at all times by cycling trough them. And we all know how insanely good large armor repairs are. With this implemented every infantry player is basically becoming a PVE NPC that trys to kill the overtanked spaceship. Simple sayd armor tanks will farm infantry and shield tanks hard. In my opinion to balance this armor repairs+shield boosters should be excluded from this bonus.

I give up on these forums. Your logic is so terrible it hurts my eyes.
You are incredibly entitled.

I hope you do, as for logic, you are making no sense. I'l leave it that maybe someday you learn to read :)

OP means (or at least shouldmean) overpowered within their respective role. The tanks already fulfil the role of being a formidable force on the field, these bonuses however, would make the right setups effectively immune to all but an entire squad of proto AV.

Tanks should take a lot of effort to bring down. But not this much.

Wasn't the best start to my day that's for sure.

I wonder how the vehicle balance will work out.

Probably have ignored every single post suggesting how to balance things out. If you ask me, buffing shield modules (quite a bit) would balance things. But CCP will probably nerf armor modules and make them worse than shield modules.

Yes I agree with the bonuses but they will make armour tanks incredibly op just think of a fully specked pilot suit in a fully specked madruger with 2 heavy reps. Constant high armour regen. It will take at least 2-3 fully specked gunlogis to take it down . Proto av will smash it if theres more than 2 of tgem coordinating but tank v tank madrugers will be so op.

Considering you need 2 PG mods to put on 2 reps and against swarms like proto which can take 3k of your armor in one hit i dunno if it would be that good to have but against randoms yea sure

Either way it wouldnt be OP and PC would a be a real test for it

I said nothing of the sort . But, yes, 1.3 (which was super short to allow the team to get on track with the sped-up release cadence) is now locked. Pilot suits are not in it. Personally, I wouldn't want to put them in until we address other balance issues first.

Gallante pilot suit skill:
-10% reduction on the cooldown time on ALL modules per lvl (50% on lvl5)
-+2% on the efficency on shield/armor modules per lvl (+10% on lvl 5)

Minmatarr pilot suit skill:
same like gallante but the second skill bonus is basically +2% on the efficency on damage mods for vehicles


My problem with that is that armor tanks would get overpowered beyond believe. It is possible to fit 2 large armor reps on a madrugar and the cooldown time is 30 secs and they are like 15 secs active. So cut the cooldown time in half what do we get? 15 secs cooldown time. So it would be possible to run 1 large armor repair module at all times by cycling trough them. And we all know how insanely good large armor repairs are. With this implemented every infantry player is basically becoming a PVE NPC that trys to kill the overtanked spaceship. Simple sayd armor tanks will farm infantry and shield tanks hard. In my opinion to balance this armor repairs+shield boosters should be excluded from this bonus.

One heavy azeoteric only gives 2100 shield skilling this suit to level five will only bump it to 2310. With the pg nerf vehicles have trouble fitting on as much shield so this is much needed to the recent vehicle nerf. Armor tanking is pretty much the same I think the top meta vehicles armor reps are heavy polarized and those are in the low 3,000s each. 3,300 with skills.

Plus it's gonna take a lot of sp for a lvl 5 proto suit plus you'll have to cross train into vehicles.

Considering you need 2 PG mods to put on 2 reps and against swarms like proto which can take 3k of your armor in one hit i dunno if it would be that good to have but against randoms yea sure

Either way it wouldnt be OP and PC would a be a real test for it

I replied in this thread. Those numbers are placeholder. The reason the role bonus was so high is because it makes it much easier to see changes when testing that all the skills are working as intended. Once it was clear the suits weren't going into 1.2 I stopped working on them and subsequently forgot to unpublish them. So, yeah, DERP.

Go home your Drunk,

Your just trying to play down the fact that armour tanks will be even more unstoppable with the pilot suits.

(Speaking from a vehicle on vehicle point of view)
The Dark Cloud has good reason to say they will be OP, Just think of the ammount of DPS you will need to break the tank on the Armour HAV's, It will have to be stupidly high. Which it isnt possible as it is let alone with these changes they are planning.

If there ever was an I WIN tool this will be it.

I said nothing of the sort . But, yes, 1.3 (which was super short to allow the team to get on track with the sped-up release cadence) is now locked. Pilot suits are not in it. Personally, I wouldn't want to put them in until we address other balance issues first.

SOURCE please

Yes I agree with the bonuses but they will make armour tanks incredibly op just think of a fully specked pilot suit in a fully specked madruger with 2 heavy reps. Constant high armour regen. It will take at least 2-3 fully specked gunlogis to take it down . Proto av will smash it if theres more than 2 of tgem coordinating but tank v tank madrugers will be so op.

I can't wait till a good armor team uses multiple HAVs to rep one glass cannon. Everyone will cry op then when in fact it is by design. We haven't even started real armor ops yet, looking forward to the river of tears.

I win tool lolno

lol is that because it may take muliple proto AV users *gasp*

Poor AV users they cant 3 shot a tank anymore they need to use teamwork or VA nades and lolswarms as usual

Pilot suit prob get nerfed now, vehicle users end up with a suit that give 1% bonus to something useless while normal infantry dropsuits still give 5% bonus to something good

Having this suit with the current bonuses makes the basic vehicle a bit better since we have no advanced/proto vehicles and are always going against proto AV

Yes I agree with the bonuses but they will make armour tanks incredibly op just think of a fully specked pilot suit in a fully specked madruger with 2 heavy reps. Constant high armour regen. It will take at least 2-3 fully specked gunlogis to take it down . Proto av will smash it if theres more than 2 of tgem coordinating but tank v tank madrugers will be so op.

I think you need to learn to read, i made it a bit easier for you as i see you struggle to understand (see bold and underlined)

I dont care if it makes it harder for AV'ers, If an AV'er see a tank on the field it shouldnt mean a free kill for them.

btw aren't vehicles meant to over power infantry? I mean they are 50 ton machines that take a long time to make and skill up in. there should be an advantage to skilling into vehicles over infantry, now we have the pilot suit, thank you

IMO it would be pretty balanced if it were:

Pilot Suit Bonus: -2% Module Cooldown per level
Gallente Pilot Suit bonus: +2% armor/shield extender efficacy per level
Minmatar Pilot Suit bonus: +2% turret damage per level

Nice bonus in a game where the different between scrub and proto equipment is 10%. Not too ridiculous.

The bonuses as they are now, especially with how pre-nerfed Commando is, is simply insulting.

Make it 10% for shield vehicles and 6% for armor.

Wouldn't even bother putting my SP into it.

It has to at least be 25% or higher for me to invest that much SP.

Shouldn't vehicles be OP?

I mean if they did not preform better then a guy on foot why would they exist at all?

Wasn't the best start to my day that's for sure.

You know I dont mind vehicles getting a boost but you cannot make them the single power house in the game. Nearly all the maps favor vehicular combat because they are wide open, they are just kept at bay by AV right now. If you overpower vehicles well then all infantry is completely worthless.

Give us some urban maps that make vehicles less advantageous to use and let there be maps where they have a distinct advantage. Im so tired of bowl maps with open desert and no cover im ready for some more variety. Where you're fighting should affect the best strategy to win, not just what you bring to the fight.

vehicles in the open are nothing but targets for anyone with a weapon that can hurt that vehicle
vehicles also have no business in urban environments since its just asking to get AV naded by multiple people

Vehicles in the open (within a certain range for tanks) are completely dominant unless you're a DShip, again they are just kept at bay by AV right now. Break that balance (AV has the clear advantage now) and noone will go out from cover.

But yes vehicles should not be very viable in urban environments, that's the point it's an infantry battle focus.

I said nothing of the sort . But, yes, 1.3 (which was super short to allow the team to get on track with the sped-up release cadence) is now locked. Pilot suits are not in it. Personally, I wouldn't want to put them in until we address other balance issues first.