The only thing thats going to help armor is if CCP gets their head out of their ass and fixes dropsuit skill bonuses.

I won't bother putting the math here but you can do it in your head. adding 1/2 the value of these as a hot fix, will just barely help make armor tanking a viable option. right now its abit ridiculous

the reactive plates especially need a major buff, those things are almost pointless. but they are still a good idea.
reactive plates should be giving you at least 60 armor and heal at a rate of 4 hp per second, with the 1% movement speed penalty.

EDIT:

all armor values should be doubled. all armor plates, repair modules, reactive plates (except the penalty), ferroscale, all these should have their values and bonuses doubled.

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Im a heavy and ignore all the armor plates.

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Im a heavy and ignore all the armor plates.

LOL, you serious dude ? You want your basic reactive plate to give 60 armor AND 4 hp rep/ sec
Reactive plates were never meant to be good at both role. They're clearly intended to be a small HP buff and small repair buff. For those who lack low slots. Not be uber powerfull two-in-one miracle product from your usual tv shopping show.

Doubling armor modules wont do anything except switch the balance fully. There are a lot more subtle changes to be made :

- Not having plate penalty reducing base movement.
- Switching some modules from low to high (ferroscale or reactive, PG extension, regs)

Now, regarding the regen debate, armor is NOT supposed to be able to reach the same regen shield has. But on the other hand, you're supposed to get more HP for the same investment. so, having 10 or more HP\s armor repairers is just not realistic.

Why?

Because you realize while your fighting other suits your ability to move in and out of cover quickly is probably one of your most important skills, If you load up on plates that means your going to get to cover that % slower, and because your FOV is less then your heavy suit hitbox IE your heavy suit is firing from beside a wall then takes fire and moves its body fully behind said wall you will be taking that % more dmg before your Hitbox is fully behind cover, that % of hit based fire is MORE then the amount of tank you are going to get out of the Plates!

that is the problem, if you move 10% slower and you need to move your body behind a wall OB is going to take you 10% more time to get there, and seeing as how the plates are not absorbing 10% more damage for the Heavy suit you end up handicapping yourself!!

MATH people MATH!

BTW this should be its own thread as to WHY doing armor plates in any major capacity as a heavy is Worthless!

Its far less noticeable with the faster suits because the enemy weapon ROF is the constant! see?

Silly OP, these armour plates are designed for shield tankers, didn't you not know that?

If they made them any use for Armour Tankers that would not be fair, now would it.

Because you realize while your fighting other suits your ability to move in and out of cover quickly is probably one of your most important skills, If you load up on plates that means your going to get to cover that % slower, and because your FOV is less then your heavy suit hitbox IE your heavy suit is firing from beside a wall then takes fire and moves its body fully behind said wall you will be taking that % more dmg before your Hitbox is fully behind cover, that % of hit based fire is MORE then the amount of tank you are going to get out of the Plates!

that is the problem, if you move 10% slower and you need to move your body behind a wall OB is going to take you 10% more time to get there, and seeing as how the plates are not absorbing 10% more damage for the Heavy suit you end up handicapping yourself!!

MATH people MATH!

BTW this should be its own thread as to WHY doing armor plates in any major capacity as a heavy is Worthless!

Its far less noticeable with the faster suits because the enemy weapon ROF is the constant! see?

Because you realize while your fighting other suits your ability to move in and out of cover quickly is probably one of your most important skills, If you load up on plates that means your going to get to cover that % slower, and because your FOV is less then your heavy suit hitbox IE your heavy suit is firing from beside a wall then takes fire and moves its body fully behind said wall you will be taking that % more dmg before your Hitbox is fully behind cover, that % of hit based fire is MORE then the amount of tank you are going to get out of the Plates!

that is the problem, if you move 10% slower and you need to move your body behind a wall OB is going to take you 10% more time to get there, and seeing as how the plates are not absorbing 10% more damage for the Heavy suit you end up handicapping yourself!!

MATH people MATH!

BTW this should be its own thread as to WHY doing armor plates in any major capacity as a heavy is Worthless!

Its far less noticeable with the faster suits because the enemy weapon ROF is the constant! see?

basic, this is another good reason. you can start the post ill respond to it.

another is simply the fact that i doesnt increase your life expectance by any significant length of time. if i had 2 complex armor plates, thats 230 hp... a militia AR does a dps of 425 so i survive .5 of a second longer than if i didnt have it.
but my actual life expectancy decreases because realistically:
1. when enemies see a heavy they all concentrate fire on him.
2. your surviva time underfire do to your inate low monbility eans you only take 1-2 more shots from an AR.

it has its damage reduced to 385

as to your second point get a logi ?

How about high slot armor hardeners?

Too many armor tankers just want a straight buff but I think with some tweaks balance is closer than it appears.

These reactive plates NEED a buff, but people are saying quadruple AND give 10 hp/s, this is is just plain insanity.

Moving mods will help: Shield Regs should be a high, PG/CPU should be both (to me).

Shields NEED a penalty, they really do. This is a subject of its own.

Reppers need a buff but not crazy: 2,4,8 maybe 3,6,10.

Plates need a buff too but taking it slow, maybe 130 for a complex (dbl that of a complex shield).

Not even mentioning armor and repair from outside one self.

\o/ more wild numbers and changes. Anything close to doubling numbers would bring the letters O and P together!

Example from above...

enhanced armour plat + complex rep = 174hp + 10ar/s -5% speeeed

Dat there be crazy talk! your effectivly strapping a scout to your chest

How about high slot armor hardeners?

Excuse me I'm trying to commute. I don't appreciate almost wetting myself thanks!

Edit: On topic! The numbers need a little adjustment for sure, but the ONLY way to fix armour is to put reactive and ferroscale in the highs to stop shield tankers using them. Problem solved. The numbers should be high enough so it's an attractive alternative to just throwing on some complex shields.

Having different plates in different slots is inconsistent and feels wrong. Anyway shield tankers should be able to use armor modules just as armor tankers can use shield modules.

How? We have the same equivalent for shields with the regulators and rechargers in lows. Move plates or reppers to highs and it's fixed.

In a recent dev blog the damage bonuses against armor and shield were shown. (I think the dev blog was released around July 8 roughly give or take 7 days.)

All explosives were shown to do 120% damage to armor and projectile weapons did roughly 110% damage to armor etc. Nothing did more than 120% damage to armor. ARs did roughly 90% damage to armor if I remember correctly.

The basic reactive plates need there repping speed increased by 1 hp/sec

The advanced reactive plates need there repping speed increased by 2 hp/sec

The proto version needs the repping speed increased by 1 hp/sec

I don't seem to have problems with the other plates states. However the ferroscale and reactive plates should also be available in the high slots as well as low slots.

if its quadrupled it would become 4hp/sec but even that is not alot.