LOL, you serious dude ? You want your basic reactive plate to give 60 armor AND 4 hp rep/ sec
Reactive plates were never meant to be good at both role. They're clearly intended to be a small HP buff and small repair buff. For those who lack low slots. Not be uber powerfull two-in-one miracle product from your usual tv shopping show.

Doubling armor modules wont do anything except switch the balance fully. There are a lot more subtle changes to be made :

- Not having plate penalty reducing base movement.
- Switching some modules from low to high (ferroscale or reactive, PG extension, regs)

Now, regarding the regen debate, armor is NOT supposed to be able to reach the same regen shield has. But on the other hand, you're supposed to get more HP for the same investment. so, having 10 or more HP\s armor repairers is just not realistic.

A "new" high slot armor module would be good. Possibly a passive hardener/damage resist plate (infantry version of energized plating I guess).

There's already a low-slot shield module, and they're adding another (power diagnostic - gives shield %, shield recharge, and powergrid). So, perhaps they should probably add two high slot armor modules...

The new plates just helps anyone that isnt a pure armor tank,quite sadden by armor update

Everyone here is still missing the point and it's just sad.

Increasing the statistics of the new plates will only FURTHER BENEFIT SHIELD TANKERS while slightly benefitting armor tanking.

Some L-slod modules need to be transfered to H-slots in order to actually balance things to prevent anyone from taking advantage of everything, but that's never going to happen.

Shield and Armor tanking will NEVER be balanced, and not only because "CCP loves shields". Just deal with it. Me and my 550 e-hp are, so should you.

I better have 5 high slots.

Here a more comprehensive post that the earlier ones I've made on my alt Colonel Killar
Armor Reps and the reps on Reactives are fine but the problem is how slow armor is and how little armor HP is given.
It's not that I want my armor to regen in ten seconds It should take a few minutes but I should be harder to kill compared to a shield tanker one on one but if his buddy comes afterwards then I'll be screwed but if he and his friend take turs their superior regen will allow them to continue coming back at full health

But for in-game values
Don't mess with any regen values

Plate Type-----------------------------------HP-------------------------------------Movement Penalty

Basic Armor Plates 100 3%

Enhanced Armor Plates 150 5%

Complex Armor Plates 200 7%

Basic Ferroscale Plates 40 N/A

Enhanced Ferroscale Plates 80 N/A

Complex Ferroscale Plates 120 N/A

Basic Reactive Plates 50 2%

Enhanced Reactive Plates 90 4%

Complex Reactive Plates 140 6%

^^this is a brilliant idea. in fact i applaud it. reparing armor by percentage is a great idea. and those values for the reactive plates gives them a purpose as right now they are inferior tech, but if this^^ were implimented things could improve. with careful monitering this could temporarily fix the shield tanking problem.


againt yes shield tankers can tank harder using these, but the complex damage mods combined with this^^ and scrambler rifle tech can imporve over all galente performance

I won't bother putting the math here but you can do it in your head. adding 1/2 the value of these as a hot fix, will just barely help make armor tanking a viable option. right now its abit ridiculous

the reactive plates especially need a major buff, those things are almost pointless. but they are still a good idea.
reactive plates should be giving you at least 60 armor and heal at a rate of 4 hp per second, with the 1% movement speed penalty.

EDIT:

all armor values should be doubled. all armor plates, repair modules, reactive plates (except the penalty), ferroscale, all these should have their values and bonuses doubled.

To be honest, I think they should keep reactive plates as they are and make them a high-slot module, since armor tankers still don't have a high slot armor module.

Just a thought.

EDIT: Since I completely neglected to read your edit:

I disagree with doubling any of the plates, but rather scale them with their movement penalty, this is hardly an original idea, but it goes like this.

Basic armor plates- 68 armor, 3% penalty
Enhanced armor plates- 87 armor, 5% penalty

But after you change it to scale with the movement penalty

Basic armor plates- 68 armor, 3% penalty
Enhanced armor plates- 108 armor, 5% penalty
Complex armor plates- 216 armor, 10% penalty

I am going off of complete memory, and I can't remember the current complex armor plate amount, but you get the idea, the 3% to 5% penalty increase is a 1.6 multiplier, so you multiply the 68 armor bonus by 1.6 and get the above amount, then the 5% to 10% increase is a 2 multiplier, so you do just that.

And I think the ferroscale plates are fine as is.

The worst thing about the new plates is their drain on CPU & PG is way more than it should be. I understand that armor is supposed to be harder to get through at the expense of speed, though I don't see that much of a difference. The new plates with the ridiculous consumption of PG makes anything but regular plates not worth running. The only use I see for them is to put the Ferroscale on a Gallente scout so your speedie, survivable, and a surprise to the people trying to kill you.

It is frustrating that these plates (long awaited by me at least) are a huge let down, because at proto level the CPU and PG consumption used by the plates make them bad alternatives at best un-useable most of the time.

What if a AR Shield and armor tank then, Is the 1 question I have

well they sacrifice damage mods, for the sake of tanking. caldari can do it, minmintar can do it, galente can do it... but caldari do it better.

the core issue is the base stats of the galente verses the base stats of the caldari. the galente suits can't tank as hard because they dnt have enough CPU/PG, slots and base armor to compensate for the disparity. moreover, their base movement speed should be higher than a caldari's by 33% so that after armor tanking starts their speed reduction isn't to the point of becoming a heavy.*



*this is a discusion about medium frames only however. as the heavy suit has a variety of tasks it is desinged to perform but still plays a support role it needs to be treated differently as well. i discuss this in the thread entitled "heavies should have resistance to small armrs fire by 30%"

\o/ more wild numbers and changes. Anything close to doubling numbers would bring the letters O and P together!

Example from above...

enhanced armour plat + complex rep = 174hp + 10ar/s -5% speeeed

Dat there be crazy talk! your effectivly strapping a scout to your chest

you for get 1 thing. everything does close to double damage to armor. even doubling the numbers on all armor modules wouldn't make it balanced.

if you have 2 complex armor repairs thats only 20 hp per second. a caldari milita suit gets 20 shield back by default. the shiled enegizer's make it so that shields come at impossible speeds. and seriously, doudes running around with 500+ shields that regenarate almost insantly and that are resistant to almost everything can't be good. especially since they can also armor tank because armor is a low slot acomplishment.


everyone screams "OMG...THROW FLUX NADES DATZ WAT DEY DER 4...HERPIDDY DERP DERP". seriously, flux grenades are not that effective because its hit or miss, and these guys have no speed penalty they are moving rediculously fast thanks to the movement speed increase that CCP ninja'd into the game. worse yet we have the fact that even from full depletion shields recover extremely fast.

scrambler rifles do wonders on shields but the semiauto one is hit or miss because people move so fast with their shields, the only real way to combate shields is to use an assault scrambler rifle, because the regular AR outguns the semi-auto everytime (which makes sense, the problem lies in that scramblers are the only practical way to combat the shield tanking)


even if the values of all armor mods were doubled armor repairs slower and takes 50% more damage to everything. in fact these values should be doubled.


reactive plates the basic give you 15 armor and repair your armor at 1 hp per second. thats pathetic. i round from an HMG (one bullet) does more than that.

reactive plates in order to be worth anything need to be at least quadrupled otherwise there is no point to having them in the game. (60 armor and 4hp per second) keeping the 1% movement penalty the same.

complex armor plates when 2 doubled would give you 230 additional armor. but think all the explosives and plasma weaponry does extra damage to armor, so it would on begin to help break even.

the solution to the armor verse shield problem lies in give great values to armor modules. (the reactive plates have to be quadrupled or quintipled to even be consideed useful)

60 armor and 4hp a second, with a 1% movement penalty at basic? Im an armor tanker and even I think that is op as fk.

60 armor and 4hp a second, with a 1% movement penalty at basic? Im an armor tanker and even I think that is op as fk.

it's only 2hp/s not 4 hp

Was messing around with fits the other day and I discovered either a glitch or a perk to ferroscale plates. Using my minmitar logi fit and my dragonfly scout fit I noticed something strange. I put a basic armor plate on both dropsuits, giving me a 3% movement penalty. I then began stacking ferroscale plates, both basic and enhanced. The results were the same, each time I added a ferroscale plate, a little of my movement penalty was diminished. Eventually I was down to a 2% movement penalty, and had an extra 130 armor. Anyone else notice this?