Here a more comprehensive post that the earlier ones I've made on my alt Colonel Killar
Armor Reps and the reps on Reactives are fine but the problem is how slow armor is and how little armor HP is given.
It's not that I want my armor to regen in ten seconds It should take a few minutes but I should be harder to kill compared to a shield tanker one on one but if his buddy comes afterwards then I'll be screwed but if he and his friend take turs their superior regen will allow them to continue coming back at full health

But for in-game values
Don't mess with any regen values

Plate Type-----------------------------------HP-------------------------------------Movement Penalty

Basic Armor Plates 100 3%

Enhanced Armor Plates 150 5%

Complex Armor Plates 200 7%

Basic Ferroscale Plates 40 N/A

Enhanced Ferroscale Plates 80 N/A

Complex Ferroscale Plates 120 N/A

Basic Reactive Plates 50 2%

Enhanced Reactive Plates 90 4%

Complex Reactive Plates 140 6%

you for get 1 thing. everything does close to double damage to armor. even doubling the numbers on all armor modules wouldn't make it balanced.

if you have 2 complex armor repairs thats only 20 hp per second. a caldari milita suit gets 20 shield back by default. the shiled enegizer's make it so that shields come at impossible speeds. and seriously, doudes running around with 500+ shields that regenarate almost insantly and that are resistant to almost everything can't be good. especially since they can also armor tank because armor is a low slot acomplishment.


everyone screams "OMG...THROW FLUX NADES DATZ WAT DEY DER 4...HERPIDDY DERP DERP". seriously, flux grenades are not that effective because its hit or miss, and these guys have no speed penalty they are moving rediculously fast thanks to the movement speed increase that CCP ninja'd into the game. worse yet we have the fact that even from full depletion shields recover extremely fast.

scrambler rifles do wonders on shields but the semiauto one is hit or miss because people move so fast with their shields, the only real way to combate shields is to use an assault scrambler rifle, because the regular AR outguns the semi-auto everytime (which makes sense, the problem lies in that scramblers are the only practical way to combat the shield tanking)


even if the values of all armor mods were doubled armor repairs slower and takes 50% more damage to everything. in fact these values should be doubled.


reactive plates the basic give you 15 armor and repair your armor at 1 hp per second. thats pathetic. i round from an HMG (one bullet) does more than that.

reactive plates in order to be worth anything need to be at least quadrupled otherwise there is no point to having them in the game. (60 armor and 4hp per second) keeping the 1% movement penalty the same.

complex armor plates when 2 doubled would give you 230 additional armor. but think all the explosives and plasma weaponry does extra damage to armor, so it would on begin to help break even.

the solution to the armor verse shield problem lies in give great values to armor modules. (the reactive plates have to be quadrupled or quintipled to even be consideed useful)

LOL, you serious dude ? You want your basic reactive plate to give 60 armor AND 4 hp rep/ sec
Reactive plates were never meant to be good at both role. They're clearly intended to be a small HP buff and small repair buff. For those who lack low slots. Not be uber powerfull two-in-one miracle product from your usual tv shopping show.

Doubling armor modules wont do anything except switch the balance fully. There are a lot more subtle changes to be made :

- Not having plate penalty reducing base movement.
- Switching some modules from low to high (ferroscale or reactive, PG extension, regs)

Now, regarding the regen debate, armor is NOT supposed to be able to reach the same regen shield has. But on the other hand, you're supposed to get more HP for the same investment. so, having 10 or more HP\s armor repairers is just not realistic.

shields have a slight delay before reping, but once they do, they recover at enormus rates 20+ hp/s.

if i have 400 shields and they are depleted after my 3-4 second own time, and my hp heals at 20 per second in 24 seconds my shields are full

if i have 400 armor and i am at 0 armor (and still alive), with two 4 complex armor repairers i heal at 20 hp/s, so i get to 400 in 20 seconds.


may look balanced but there are several things to keep in mind:

1. 20 hp/s for sheilds is a basic level and can be increased, (with shield enegizers you can heal shield at almost 50 hp/s)
2. this is assuming i have complex level amor repairers. even with proficiency it doesn't equal the sheids superiority in this matter
3. when shields are gone you have armor, when armor is gone your dead.
4. due to high dps of most guns under direct fire this will not impact longevity.