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WR3CK HAVOC
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.07.02 14:51:00 -
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I am so tired of seeing armor tankers complain about shields. If you dont like armor then switch. They are not the same and will never be the same. What it seems to me is armor tankers want all the benefits of shields plus keep the benefits they have now like the ability to have others repair them, higher overall hp pools, and high slots free for damage mods. Now all of that is Overpowered. Quit complaining especially Cat merc. |
XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers EoN.
622
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Posted - 2013.07.02 14:53:00 -
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WR3CK HAVOC wrote:I am so tired of seeing armor tankers complain about shields. If you dont like armor then switch. They are not the same and will never be the same. What it seems to me is armor tankers want all the benefits of shields plus keep the benefits they have now like the ability to have others repair them, higher overall hp pools, and high slots free for damage mods. Now all of that is Overpowered. Quit complaining especially Cat merc.
+1 and AGREE with everything including the player put on blast! Lol! |
Cody Sietz
Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION
287
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Posted - 2013.07.02 14:55:00 -
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Or you know...we wanna get above 500 hp too with out moving at the same speed as a heavy. |
AfroSunshineY Consequence
Clan Choinnich
1
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Posted - 2013.07.02 14:55:00 -
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Yes because armor in this game is not the equivalent of tissue paper. Get out of here with that man. |
Azura Sakura
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
167
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Posted - 2013.07.02 14:56:00 -
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WR3CK HAVOC wrote:I am so tired of seeing armor tankers complain about shields. If you dont like armor then switch. They are not the same and will never be the same. What it seems to me is armor tankers want all the benefits of shields plus keep the benefits they have now like the ability to have others repair them, higher overall hp pools, and high slots free for damage mods. Now all of that is Overpowered. Quit complaining especially Cat merc. hi |
Terra Thesis
HDYLTA Defiant Legacy
285
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Posted - 2013.07.02 14:57:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Or you know...we wanna get above 500 hp too with out moving at the same speed as a heavy.
Armor is about reps. You wanna wanna wanna all you want, but big buffer is the shield paradigm. |
Kador Ouryon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
1
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Posted - 2013.07.02 14:58:00 -
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WR3CK HAVOC wrote:I am so tired of seeing armor tankers complain about shields. If you dont like armor then switch. They are not the same and will never be the same. What it seems to me is armor tankers want all the benefits of shields plus keep the benefits they have now like the ability to have others repair them, higher overall hp pools, and high slots free for damage mods. Now all of that is Overpowered. Quit complaining especially Cat merc. Can't switch no respec..... |
N1ck Comeau
Pro Hic Immortalis
560
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Posted - 2013.07.02 14:58:00 -
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I agree with the points you say. But when shield people can tank shield up to an including 500+ then have low slot mods help with shield as well. they can almost always have there shields up.
Armour is slow to regen. Unless you have like 4 reppers on. Or a Proto rep tool is repping you. |
Den-tredje Baron
ParagonX
139
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Posted - 2013.07.02 14:59:00 -
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WR3CK HAVOC wrote:I am so tired of seeing armor tankers complain about shields. If you dont like armor then switch. They are not the same and will never be the same. What it seems to me is armor tankers want all the benefits of shields plus keep the benefits they have now like the ability to have others repair them, higher overall hp pools, and high slots free for damage mods. Now all of that is Overpowered. Quit complaining especially Cat merc.
.......... No we don't we DO NOT HAVE ANY BENEFITS!!! What get slow as **** and have a bit more EHP than a shield guy has ?? oohh yeah sounds great. **** man i don't want the high recharge rate which shield dudes have. I want a major EHP tank which no shield tanker could ever get and then i want to take ages to get up to 100% armor again and we got NOTHING LIKE THAT !!! Right now we're beeing turned into stationary guns if we go all out armor plates. Wtf dude ok imagine your shields won't come back unless you fitted a shield recharger, aka base shield recharge would be 0.
Nooooow suddenly your tank gets a lot weaker right ??!! Now also imagine equipping a extender and your overall speed gets lower... MUCH LOWER and there you got armor tanking. You stack 5 shield extenders ... we stack 2 because after that ***** getting ridiculous. Ohh and of course we also gotta save some slots for armor reppers.
And oohh hell no i'll put Cat Merc up on a ******* pedist..... Scractching board and have him miav all over the ******* forums until someone from CCP comes out and says **** we screwed up guys sorry.. |
XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers EoN.
625
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Posted - 2013.07.02 14:59:00 -
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N1ck Comeau wrote:I agree with the points you say. But when shield people can tank shield up to an including 500+ then have low slot mods help with shield as well. they can almost always have there shields up.
Armour is slow to regen. Unless you have like 4 reppers on. Or a Proto rep tool is repping you.
You can't always have ya shields up. All that stuff eats PG and CPU like crazy. |
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XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers EoN.
625
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Posted - 2013.07.02 15:00:00 -
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Den-tredje Baron wrote:WR3CK HAVOC wrote:I am so tired of seeing armor tankers complain about shields. If you dont like armor then switch. They are not the same and will never be the same. What it seems to me is armor tankers want all the benefits of shields plus keep the benefits they have now like the ability to have others repair them, higher overall hp pools, and high slots free for damage mods. Now all of that is Overpowered. Quit complaining especially Cat merc. .......... No we don't we DO NOT HAVE ANY BENEFITS!!! What get slow as **** and have a bit more EHP than a shield guy has ?? oohh yeah sounds great. **** man i don't want the high recharge rate which shield dudes have. I want a major EHP tank which no shield tanker could ever get and then i want to take ages to get up to 100% armor again and we got NOTHING LIKE THAT !!! Right now we're beeing turned into stationary guns if we go all out armor plates. Wtf dude ok imagine your shields won't come back unless you fitted a shield recharger, aka base shield recharge would be 0. Nooooow suddenly your tank gets a lot weaker right ??!! Now also imagine equipping a extender and your overall speed gets lower... MUCH LOWER and there you got armor tanking. You stack 5 shield extenders ... we stack 2 because after that ***** getting ridiculous. Ohh and of course we also gotta save some slots for armor reppers. And oohh hell no i'll put Cat Merc up on a ******* pedist..... Scractching board and have him miav all over the ******* forums until someone from CCP comes out and says **** we screwed up guys sorry..
No benefits my foot. You still get shields. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon Plus
1517
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Posted - 2013.07.02 15:01:00 -
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Perhaps you should read the debate before complaining that there is one? If you took the time to do that, you would understand that your points are misconceptions. Common misconceptions, but misconceptions nonetheless. |
Den-tredje Baron
ParagonX
139
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Posted - 2013.07.02 15:05:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Den-tredje Baron wrote:WR3CK HAVOC wrote:I am so tired of seeing armor tankers complain about shields. If you dont like armor then switch. They are not the same and will never be the same. What it seems to me is armor tankers want all the benefits of shields plus keep the benefits they have now like the ability to have others repair them, higher overall hp pools, and high slots free for damage mods. Now all of that is Overpowered. Quit complaining especially Cat merc. .......... No we don't we DO NOT HAVE ANY BENEFITS!!! What get slow as **** and have a bit more EHP than a shield guy has ?? oohh yeah sounds great. **** man i don't want the high recharge rate which shield dudes have. I want a major EHP tank which no shield tanker could ever get and then i want to take ages to get up to 100% armor again and we got NOTHING LIKE THAT !!! Right now we're beeing turned into stationary guns if we go all out armor plates. Wtf dude ok imagine your shields won't come back unless you fitted a shield recharger, aka base shield recharge would be 0. Nooooow suddenly your tank gets a lot weaker right ??!! Now also imagine equipping a extender and your overall speed gets lower... MUCH LOWER and there you got armor tanking. You stack 5 shield extenders ... we stack 2 because after that ***** getting ridiculous. Ohh and of course we also gotta save some slots for armor reppers. And oohh hell no i'll put Cat Merc up on a ******* pedist..... Scractching board and have him miav all over the ******* forums until someone from CCP comes out and says **** we screwed up guys sorry.. No benefits my foot. You still get shields.
uuhhhh we got a badass over here. I'm fitting two enhanced shield extenders and i'm running with 140 something shield and a recharge rate worse than my armor repair rate. Yeap yeap great argument i can really see i've gone to far...... You know right one flaylock shoot and my shields are gone and what still more damage left from that one shot goes to my armor and gets buffed by 135% so what 174 armor gone from one shoot sooo next shoot i'm dead yaaaa... no wait.
**** no you guys get your main tank back very fast while we SHOULD have to take ages to get it back a lot back. Or well it takes ages it just isn't a lot !! |
MlDDLE MANGEMENT
lMPurity
26
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Posted - 2013.07.02 15:07:00 -
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Honestly armor reppers should go to high slots and and it would help change that dynamic a lot better but of course that would be too easy.
They also need to make armor related infatry stuff more PG heavy and less CPU heavy and in turn give gallente sutis more PG and less CPU to offset with exception to perhaps logis but then u give them less PG to work with to balance it out so they might have to resource to low slot utilizations of cpu and PG mods to really get stuff fitted.
Begining to wonder why CCP just didnt include mid slots, seems like it would make balancing this stuff a lot easier. |
Cody Sietz
Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION
291
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Posted - 2013.07.02 15:07:00 -
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Terra Thesis wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Or you know...we wanna get above 500 hp too with out moving at the same speed as a heavy. Armor is about reps. You wanna wanna wanna all you want, but big buffer is the shield paradigm. Ok, lower my complex reppers CPU/Pg usage(so I can fit more then 2 on a proto suit without sacrificing everything else) or give my Gallente assault a rep bonuses like logis do. |
Terra Thesis
HDYLTA Defiant Legacy
285
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Posted - 2013.07.02 15:08:00 -
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Den-tredje Baron wrote:.......... No we don't we DO NOT HAVE ANY BENEFITS!!!
None? Really?
So you can't even think of one benefit? |
Den-tredje Baron
ParagonX
141
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Posted - 2013.07.02 15:08:00 -
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Terra Thesis wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Or you know...we wanna get above 500 hp too with out moving at the same speed as a heavy. Armor is about reps. You wanna wanna wanna all you want, but big buffer is the shield paradigm. ..................... WROOOOOOOOONG Shield is about mediocre overall health but you get it back very fast. Armor tanking is about having a major armor EHP pool you can take and tank from but that pool then takes forever to get back at it's maximum aka get in shoot and tank **** and then lat low for the next minute.
WTF if armor is about high reps PLEASE give all the armor suits an inherent armor repair rate then... hmm or fix armor plates OMG logic aahh !!!! |
Callidus Vanus
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
75
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Posted - 2013.07.02 15:10:00 -
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Armor tankers keep thinking this game is all about having a massive tank.
Its not
There is a thing in EVE called a gank tank if you can kill your enemy fast enough then you don't need to have a large buffer. Armor suits can stack damage mods in their high slots and still have a decent tank even with only one repper. I do it all the time. The ability to melt a heavy before he can figure out were I am is well worth moving a bit slower. |
Den-tredje Baron
ParagonX
141
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Posted - 2013.07.02 15:14:00 -
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Terra Thesis wrote:Den-tredje Baron wrote:.......... No we don't we DO NOT HAVE ANY BENEFITS!!! None? Really? So you can't even think of one benefit?
Nope none that doesn't get overdone by shield tanking. Able to fit damage mods in highs. you've seen fitting specs for those damm i'll rather train up specialization. you get more EHP out of you tanking modules. but hmm wel shield extenders does nothing to your speed sooo you'll be able to dodge 50% of my bullets while i'll soak all of them up. Waow sounds like armor tankers should be heavies and we know how well everybody thinks they are doing.
And of course i got a lot of space to fit CPU/PG upgrades without it hurting my tan..... never mind another thing shield tankers get as a nice thing.
So please state a really really good thing about armor tankers and i'll see if i can nail it to the ground with something shield tankers can do. |
Terra Thesis
HDYLTA Defiant Legacy
285
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Posted - 2013.07.02 15:17:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Terra Thesis wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Or you know...we wanna get above 500 hp too with out moving at the same speed as a heavy. Armor is about reps. You wanna wanna wanna all you want, but big buffer is the shield paradigm. Ok, lower my complex reppers CPU/Pg usage(so I can fit more then 2 on a proto suit without sacrificing everything else) or give my Gallente assault a rep bonuses like logis do.
Everyone has to sacrifice. It's why putting together a build is interesting. You can't just dump in everything you want and walk away.
Logis are supposed to be tougher to crack - they're about defense and Assaults are offense. I think Logis have too much offensive power, but that's an entirely different argument... |
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon Plus
1528
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Posted - 2013.07.02 15:21:00 -
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Terra Thesis wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Ok, lower my complex reppers CPU/Pg usage(so I can fit more then 2 on a proto suit without sacrificing everything else) or give my Gallente assault a rep bonuses like logis do. Everyone has to sacrifice. It's why putting together a build is interesting. You can't just dump in everything you want and walk away. Logis are supposed to be tougher to crack - they're about defense and Assaults are offense. I think Logis have too much offensive power, but that's an entirely different argument...
What do shield tanks sacrifice? |
Cody Sietz
Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION
298
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Posted - 2013.07.02 15:23:00 -
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Terra Thesis wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Ok, lower my complex reppers CPU/Pg usage(so I can fit more then 2 on a proto suit without sacrificing everything else) or give my Gallente assault a rep bonuses like logis do. Everyone has to sacrifice. It's why putting together a build is interesting. You can't just dump in everything you want and walk away. Logis are supposed to be tougher to crack - they're about defense and Assaults are offense. I think Logis have too much offensive power, but that's an entirely different argument... Well, I'm just saying that I'm a assault so I should be able to assault.
Once you try to fit a complex plate, or even 2 enhanced armour plates you will know what I'm talking about.
We are slow, and we have low hp...Basically...weak heavys.
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RoundEy3
Metal Mind Industries
149
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Posted - 2013.07.02 15:25:00 -
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Agreed, they are different. The fact that there are more anti-shield weapons, and that shield mods take high slots is a balancing factor as well. I see a bunch of number comparrisons but not utility considerations in the whole scheme of things. |
Oso Peresoso
RisingSuns
67
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Posted - 2013.07.02 15:27:00 -
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WR3CK HAVOC wrote:I am so tired of seeing armor tankers complain about shields. If you dont like armor then switch. They are not the same and will never be the same.
Except it was exactly the same in EVE for years and years and people made this same argument against any change. And then after years and years CCP said... hhmmm you guys are right, armor has issues in PVP and is outright inferior for PVE. And then they introduced a bunch of new armor modules, introduced a new skill to reduce armor plate speed penalties, and made additional reductions to armor plate speed penalties, and then added a new armor plate that had the original penalties but even more armor. And things were mostly better. |
Terra Thesis
HDYLTA Defiant Legacy
285
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Posted - 2013.07.02 15:27:00 -
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Den-tredje Baron wrote:..................... WROOOOOOOOONG Shield is about mediocre overall health but you get it back very fast. Armor tanking is about having a major armor EHP pool you can take and tank from but that pool then takes forever to get back at it's maximum aka get in shoot and tank **** and then lay low for the next minute. WTF if armor is about high reps PLEASE give all the armor suits an inherent armor repair rate then... hmm or fix armor plates OMG logic aahh !!!!
You're describing what you think it should be, and the reason you're upset is because CCP is continually "failing" to implement YOUR vision.
I'm describing the game that currently exists. |
Abron Garr
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
549
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Posted - 2013.07.02 15:28:00 -
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Terra Thesis wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Or you know...we wanna get above 500 hp too with out moving at the same speed as a heavy. Armor is about reps. You wanna wanna wanna all you want, but big buffer is the shield paradigm.
If you're talking about EVE, you have it backwards. Armor is the buffer paradigm even before you add slaves. You can overheat invulns to temporarily get a greater resistance boost, but if you add slaves that advantage disappears. If CCP wants to do the complete opposite in Dust, I'm fine with that, but I'm more willing to give credence to Dust being an unfinished product and CCP Shanghai's unfamiliarity with EVE mechanics rather than saying it's "working as intended".
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Cat Merc
Oculus Felis
1490
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Posted - 2013.07.02 15:29:00 -
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You are saying it like armor has any worthy upside. It doesn't. Your argument would only be true if each had their own advantages and disadvantages, but shields have all the advantages and armor has all the disadvantages.
Get lost. |
Abron Garr
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
549
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Posted - 2013.07.02 15:32:00 -
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Terra Thesis wrote:Den-tredje Baron wrote:..................... WROOOOOOOOONG Shield is about mediocre overall health but you get it back very fast. Armor tanking is about having a major armor EHP pool you can take and tank from but that pool then takes forever to get back at it's maximum aka get in shoot and tank **** and then lay low for the next minute. WTF if armor is about high reps PLEASE give all the armor suits an inherent armor repair rate then... hmm or fix armor plates OMG logic aahh !!!! You're describing what you think it should be, and the reason you're upset is because CCP is continually "failing" to implement YOUR vision. I'm describing the game that currently exists.
I'm sorry but this is so mindlessly stupid I have to comment. Yeah, our vision is something called "a good game". Do you honestly believe no one should complain or suggest changes because it's oversteps CCP's vision? |
DRDEEZENUTSZ TWOpointo
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.07.02 15:33:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:N1ck Comeau wrote:I agree with the points you say. But when shield people can tank shield up to an including 500+ then have low slot mods help with shield as well. they can almost always have there shields up.
Armour is slow to regen. Unless you have like 4 reppers on. Or a Proto rep tool is repping you. You can't always have ya shields up. All that stuff eats PG and CPU like crazy.
But you forgot to mention all cpu and of endanger are all dam low slots logic.
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DRDEEZENUTSZ TWOpointo
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.07.02 15:39:00 -
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Know what I support a ******* nerf to dam shields around half the hp they have right now is fair enough for how crappy armor is. |
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