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Cody Sietz Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION 287	Posted - 2013.07.02 14:55:00 - [1] - Quote Or you know...we wanna get above 500 hp too with out moving at the same speed as a heavy.
Cody Sietz Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION 291	Posted - 2013.07.02 15:07:00 - [2] - Quote Terra Thesis wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Or you know...we wanna get above 500 hp too with out moving at the same speed as a heavy. Armor is about reps. You wanna wanna wanna all you want, but big buffer is the shield paradigm. Ok, lower my complex reppers CPU/Pg usage(so I can fit more then 2 on a proto suit without sacrificing everything else) or give my Gallente assault a rep bonuses like logis do.
Cody Sietz Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION 298	Posted - 2013.07.02 15:23:00 - [3] - Quote Terra Thesis wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Ok, lower my complex reppers CPU/Pg usage(so I can fit more then 2 on a proto suit without sacrificing everything else) or give my Gallente assault a rep bonuses like logis do. Everyone has to sacrifice. It's why putting together a build is interesting. You can't just dump in everything you want and walk away. Logis are supposed to be tougher to crack - they're about defense and Assaults are offense. I think Logis have too much offensive power, but that's an entirely different argument... Well, I'm just saying that I'm a assault so I should be able to assault. Once you try to fit a complex plate, or even 2 enhanced armour plates you will know what I'm talking about. We are slow, and we have low hp...Basically...weak heavys.
Cody Sietz Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION 305	Posted - 2013.07.02 16:01:00 - [4] - Quote Terra Thesis wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Well, I'm just saying that I'm a assault so I should be able to assault. Once you try to fit a complex plate, or even 2 enhanced armour plates you will know what I'm talking about. We are slow, and we have low hp...Basically...weak heavys. Don't fit the old plates on your assault. Assaults should be fast and plates make you slow. It doesn't make sense to me to plate it up. Put on as many reps as you can fit. Assaults aren't about mega defense anyways. Were just going in circles now. If I can't equip a plate, I can't take a hit. If I have a small buffer, and I heal 16.25 armour points per sec, how long can I survive? Whats the point? We have to choose between dmg mods or extenders? Isn't that what caldari assaults are suppose to do? Pick having a high HP or high dmg output? If we tank hp, we get slow, if we try to tank shields we lose dmg.
Cody Sietz Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION 313	Posted - 2013.07.02 17:02:00 - [5] - Quote Terra Thesis wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Were just going in circles now. If I can't equip a plate, I can't take a hit. If I have a small buffer, and I heal 16.25 armour points per sec, how long can I survive? Whats the point? We have to choose between dmg mods or extenders? Isn't that what caldari assaults are suppose to do? Pick having a high HP or high dmg output? If we tank hp, we get slow, if we try to tank shields we lose dmg. That's the thing, if you want to brawl, you want to eat bullets and spit them back, then you need EHP... and that's shield's niche. I'm trying to suggest that armor tanking equals a skirmish playstyle, where mobility and cover and DPS are your tank, and reps are king. Don't focus on stacking EHP, use ferroscale if you really feel like you have to. All I'm saying is, yeah, I agree, stacking complex plates on an assault sucks. Maybe it sucks because you weren't meant to use them that way. There are other better options. stacking is not even the problem, its fitting one complex plate (even a enhanced can slow you down really badly) If we aren't meant to even fit one plate, why make them available for anything other then heavys? Why have a more armour focused suit in the first place?
Cody Sietz Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION 316	Posted - 2013.07.02 17:34:00 - [6] - Quote You forgot shields repair themselves, and can be back to max hp in 5-8 secs(at 500 shields, that can be a major plus)
Cody Sietz Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION 328	Posted - 2013.07.02 22:44:00 - [7] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Terra Thesis wrote: The key here is that shield users DON'T have better regen. You're forgetting again that armor dropsuits have a significant shield system as a baseline. Shield suits have slightly better regen if you only look at the shield system, but looking at the overall dropsuit, armor suits configured for reps have better overall regen. Again - So armour tankers have to shield tank to work? 25hp per second after ten seconds is 250, great(if you can actually fit that on a assault) 10 secs on a depleted caldari assault?(less if there is regulators) nearly all shields are almost instantly restored.
Cody Sietz Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION 329	Posted - 2013.07.02 23:07:00 - [8] - Quote Yes, base line. No mods, no cpu/pg usage. I know all suits get natural shields built in, but its not nearly as good for a Gallente or anybody who uses armour. You guys regain shields after 5 secs, 8 if they are depleted. We start to get shields back after 7 secs, 10 if they are depleted. And thats fine, but we need to be able to be useful as well. We don't want shields to be nerfed, we just wanna be able to compete. No one used armour focused caldari assaults last build, it just didn't make sense, they were inferior. Why should a race be that focuses on armour, be worst just because? You say we are dmg and repper tankers? Fine give us a built in repper or dmg modifiers. Or how about less cpu/pg consumption for repair/dmg mods.
Cody Sietz Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION 332	Posted - 2013.07.02 23:38:00 - [9] - Quote Terra Thesis wrote: You know what? I'm not here to argue that Gallente is OP or UP compared to Caldari or anything else. I certainly have no problem if you buff the hell out of Gallente or armor. I only came here to say that I felt Gallente currently played much better if you treated it as a skirmishy armor rep rather than an slow as balls EHP mini tank, and I'd rather any balance to reflect this difference in playstyle. Anything else I've said, I apologize and please allow me to retract. But thats what I'm telling you, I've try rep tanking, its not a viable strategy.

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