Well, I'm just saying that I'm a assault so I should be able to assault.

Once you try to fit a complex plate, or even 2 enhanced armour plates you will know what I'm talking about.

We are slow, and we have low hp...Basically...weak heavys.

Know what I support a ******* nerf to dam shields around half the hp they have right now is fair enough for how crappy armor is.

I have played Eve since 2006 , I am gallente at heart. I love my megathron , though you rarely see them fly these days in Eve.. wonder why.. * eyeballs ccp

Guess what I fly now, a kitey shield tanking gank baby makin hurricane * eyeballs ccp again

long story short : ccp favors shields, won't change

I'm sorry but this is so mindlessly stupid I have to comment. Yeah, our vision is something called "a good game". Do you honestly believe no one should complain or suggest changes because it's oversteps CCP's vision?

I am so tired of seeing armor tankers complain about shields. If you dont like armor then switch. They are not the same and will never be the same. What it seems to me is armor tankers want all the benefits of shields plus keep the benefits they have now like the ability to have others repair them, higher overall hp pools, and high slots free for damage mods. Now all of that is Overpowered. Quit complaining especially Cat merc.

Megafleet is back. It's a slightly higher damage, slighlty less range than the Rokh fleet concept.

.......... No we don't we DO NOT HAVE ANY BENEFITS!!! What get slow as **** and have a bit more EHP than a shield guy has ?? oohh yeah sounds great.
**** man i don't want the high recharge rate which shield dudes have. I want a major EHP tank which no shield tanker could ever get and then i want to take ages to get up to 100% armor again and we got NOTHING LIKE THAT !!!
Right now we're beeing turned into stationary guns if we go all out armor plates.
Wtf dude ok imagine your shields won't come back unless you fitted a shield recharger, aka base shield recharge would be 0.

Nooooow suddenly your tank gets a lot weaker right ??!! Now also imagine equipping a extender and your overall speed gets lower... MUCH LOWER and there you got armor tanking. You stack 5 shield extenders ... we stack 2 because after that ***** getting ridiculous.
Ohh and of course we also gotta save some slots for armor reppers.

And oohh hell no i'll put Cat Merc up on a ******* pedist..... Scractching board and have him miav all over the ******* forums until someone from CCP comes out and says **** we screwed up guys sorry..

Don't fit the old plates on your assault. Assaults should be fast and plates make you slow. It doesn't make sense to me to plate it up. Put on as many reps as you can fit. Assaults aren't about mega defense anyways.

OMG serriously??? did the summer ex[pansion bring them back??? I have not been on in 3 months :(

Of course you should be able to suggest improvements. But first you need to understand CCP's vision before you can suggest meaningful improvements. The current LOUD NOISES are about cut and pasting shield mechanics over to armor mechanics. "SHIELD HAS X EHP, I WANT THE SAME STATS!!" Yeah, that's balanced, but it's also stupid. Copypasta is not a foundation for good game design.

CCP isn't perfect, but they're way more competent than what an army of armchair game designers can stir up.

.......... No we don't we DO NOT HAVE ANY BENEFITS!!! What get slow as **** and have a bit more EHP than a shield guy has ?? oohh yeah sounds great.
**** man i don't want the high recharge rate which shield dudes have. I want a major EHP tank which no shield tanker could ever get and then i want to take ages to get up to 100% armor again and we got NOTHING LIKE THAT !!!
Right now we're beeing turned into stationary guns if we go all out armor plates.
Wtf dude ok imagine your shields won't come back unless you fitted a shield recharger, aka base shield recharge would be 0.

Nooooow suddenly your tank gets a lot weaker right ??!! Now also imagine equipping a extender and your overall speed gets lower... MUCH LOWER and there you got armor tanking. You stack 5 shield extenders ... we stack 2 because after that ***** getting ridiculous.
Ohh and of course we also gotta save some slots for armor reppers.

And oohh hell no i'll put Cat Merc up on a ******* pedist..... Scractching board and have him miav all over the ******* forums until someone from CCP comes out and says **** we screwed up guys sorry..

I am sure that there is a lot of variation in the amount of thought put into Armour QQ posts, and some Armour QQ posts may be completely ridiculous, but lets consider the post [Feedback] Shields > Armour GÇô A continued imbalance as the gold standard when considering the Armour vs Shield debate. As a shield tanker, with no direct ties to armour tanking, I read this post very carefully and found it to be very reasonable and balanced.

They have a valid point. Currently the benefits of Shields are greater than the benefits of armour, and the penalties for Shields are less than the penalties for armour. They should not be made the same, but they do need to be balanced. The current scenario is unbalanced. Currently if you go with armour you give up more for less benefit.

If you guys want high Armor HP, be a Heavy
You can't be an Assault and expect the HP of a Heavy. Just no. Some Armor tankers essentially want to be a Heavy without the downsides of one (turn speed, Stamina, running speed)

Were just going in circles now. If I can't equip a plate, I can't take a hit.

If I have a small buffer, and I heal 16.25 armour points per sec, how long can I survive? Whats the point?

We have to choose between dmg mods or extenders? Isn't that what caldari assaults are suppose to do? Pick having a high HP or high dmg output?

If we tank hp, we get slow, if we try to tank shields we lose dmg.

That is an excellent post in that it is thorough and politely written. That should be a baseline. But that doesn't guarantee its correctness.

It starts with the declaration that Shields are for skirmishing and Armor is for brawling. Based off of that initial assumption, OP concludes that armor is not suited for its role. My assertion is that if you consider that Shields are for brawling and Armor is for skirmishing, the way everything is designed makes much more sense, especially in Uprising 1.2 with the new ferroscale plates.

And just what exactly is CCP Shanghai's vision? Most people with an EVE background expected Dust to be similar to EVE mechanic-wise. Dust's tanking concept is the complete opposite of what EVE currently has. That isn't automatically a bad thing but it does leave some of us scratching our heads in confusion.

I agree it is confusing if it really is flipped from EVE to Dust. I would have rather they didn't do that. But I think that for better or worse, that's what happened.

EVE implants: slave = armor HP, crystal = shield boost
Dust dropsuit bonuses: caldari = shield HP, amarr = armor rep

In both games there's plenty of counter examples to support multiple playstyles. Further confusion the issue is that the old plates had more HP than the extenders - but they were also the only modules that came with big drawbacks. I think in Dust, especially given the new modules that have been released (specifically ferroscale), the evidence is that the intention is opposite.

That is an excellent post in that it is thorough and politely written. That should be a baseline. But that doesn't guarantee its correctness.

It starts with the declaration that Shields are for skirmishing and Armor is for brawling. Based off of that initial assumption, OP concludes that armor is not suited for its role. My assertion is that if you consider that Shields are for brawling and Armor is for skirmishing, the way everything is designed makes much more sense, especially in Uprising 1.2 with the new ferroscale plates.

So no talk of armor repair tools or armor repairing nanohives here? Shields don't have this kind of support from what I've seen. Did anyone ever think this is part of the whole concept of armor support and logistics.

So no talk of armor repair tools or armor repairing nanohives here? Shields don't have this kind of support from what I've seen. Did anyone ever think this is part of the whole concept of armor support and logistics.

1. It keeps a gun off the field
2. You are too reliant on the logi
3. You are forced into one spot cause triage nano haves don't move

That's the thing, if you want to brawl, you want to eat bullets and spit them back, then you need EHP... and that's shield's niche.

I'm trying to suggest that armor tanking equals a skirmish playstyle, where mobility and cover and DPS are your tank, and reps are king. Don't focus on stacking EHP, use ferroscale if you really feel like you have to.

All I'm saying is, yeah, I agree, stacking complex plates on an assault sucks. Maybe it sucks because you weren't meant to use them that way. There are other better options.

All of that is true, but an armor fit team can fit more damage mods, has a higher overall repair rate and effective HP pool, with the main downside being less mobility.

All of that is true, but an armor fit team can fit more damage mods, has a higher overall repair rate and effective HP pool, with the main downside being less mobility.

All of that is true, but an armor fit team can fit more damage mods, has a higher overall repair rate and effective HP pool, with the main downside being less mobility.