Or you know...we wanna get above 500 hp too with out moving at the same speed as a heavy.

.......... No we don't we DO NOT HAVE ANY BENEFITS!!!

Ok, lower my complex reppers CPU/Pg usage(so I can fit more then 2 on a proto suit without sacrificing everything else) or give my Gallente assault a rep bonuses like logis do.

..................... WROOOOOOOOONG
Shield is about mediocre overall health but you get it back very fast.
Armor tanking is about having a major armor EHP pool you can take and tank from but that pool then takes forever to get back at it's maximum aka get in shoot and tank **** and then lay low for the next minute.

WTF if armor is about high reps PLEASE give all the armor suits an inherent armor repair rate then... hmm or fix armor plates OMG logic aahh !!!!

Well, I'm just saying that I'm a assault so I should be able to assault.

Once you try to fit a complex plate, or even 2 enhanced armour plates you will know what I'm talking about.

We are slow, and we have low hp...Basically...weak heavys.

I'm sorry but this is so mindlessly stupid I have to comment. Yeah, our vision is something called "a good game". Do you honestly believe no one should complain or suggest changes because it's oversteps CCP's vision?

I am sure that there is a lot of variation in the amount of thought put into Armour QQ posts, and some Armour QQ posts may be completely ridiculous, but lets consider the post [Feedback] Shields > Armour GÇô A continued imbalance as the gold standard when considering the Armour vs Shield debate. As a shield tanker, with no direct ties to armour tanking, I read this post very carefully and found it to be very reasonable and balanced.

They have a valid point. Currently the benefits of Shields are greater than the benefits of armour, and the penalties for Shields are less than the penalties for armour. They should not be made the same, but they do need to be balanced. The current scenario is unbalanced. Currently if you go with armour you give up more for less benefit.

Were just going in circles now. If I can't equip a plate, I can't take a hit.

If I have a small buffer, and I heal 16.25 armour points per sec, how long can I survive? Whats the point?

We have to choose between dmg mods or extenders? Isn't that what caldari assaults are suppose to do? Pick having a high HP or high dmg output?

If we tank hp, we get slow, if we try to tank shields we lose dmg.

And just what exactly is CCP Shanghai's vision? Most people with an EVE background expected Dust to be similar to EVE mechanic-wise. Dust's tanking concept is the complete opposite of what EVE currently has. That isn't automatically a bad thing but it does leave some of us scratching our heads in confusion.

Shields are not setup for a brawling style of play, and armour most certainly does not work well for a skirmishing style of play. To make your assertion work they would have to fundamentally change the nature of Shields and Armour, and then they would not line up with EVE where armour is most definitely meant for bawling.

What's the point of having armor and shields if they could both attain the same amount of hp? The point if they can not be AT LEAST comparable, then Dust has made 2 of the 4 playable races useless.

Okay, lets go with the other stats, Armor tanking reduces your overall speed, making your strafe not as effective. Armor reduces your ability to increase your sprint speed as they both use the same slot. Shield tanks are sacrificing damage mods, but they can also be faster, run longer, walk stealthier and hack faster. Now tell me which is better

Reps won't keep you alive through any actual fight. You won't regen HP fast enough to beat the increased buffer of a shield suit with extenders even with damage mods without a logi glued to you. So unless your suggestion is for it to take 2 players to make 1 capable armor character it doesn't work. Not to mention this makes it easier to be alpha'd by locus grenades and flaylocks making regen irrelevant.

Edit: Also, since this is the "regen" tanking style, why is my HP/s with 4 complex mods on an assault gk.0 the same as the base shield regen on a ck.0 without even going into the fact that the ck.0 can actually fit buffer as well or further enhance their regen?

So during the 10s depleted delay, which I'm more likely to encounter as I have less shields, my regen is only 25hp/s. This is less than 1 round from any AR, less than 2 from SMG's or 3 from HMG's. My regen is cancelled out by any weapon in under 0.12 seconds and each has the DPS to kill a no buffer gk.0 in under ~1.1s. By the time you hit the 2s mark you are dead with 8s to go before your shield regen kicks in.

Damage projection is at a level where current amounts of regen are pointless without high mobility, which armor tanks still cannot invest in. Meanwhile shield tanks can invest in regen, buffer, and mobility at the same time to enhance the ability to skirmish, which is what you say armor is for.

This underscores the fact that regen isn't an encounter survivability tool, it a means to recover between encounters. Shield can do survivability better and recovery better while armor, as you say it should be used, doesn't last long enough for the regen to be an asset under fire.

Terra Thesis, on your assumption that armour is, in fact, for skirmishing:

A movement penalty clearly flies in the face of that idea.
Biotic modules can't be fitted by armour tankers without compromising tank.
Assuming skirmishing is more hit and run warfare, that goes much better with shield tankers, who have a delay on their regen - essentially, they do their hit, duck into cover and regen.
One of armour's strong points is holding a position, as remote armour repair tools allow logistics to set up and help the others. This is much more difficult to move around - it's not feasible to 'skirmish' when carrying around a logibro.

I am responding to your posts in general, and perhaps particularly the earlier post.
Remote armour repairers are one of the best things about armour - if actually attempting to increase your HP and/or using rep tools prevents you from skirmishing, why do you believe it's about skirmishing?

You're literraly coming to the point of saying I should be expected as an armor tanker to always maintain a 10 to 1 ratio of regen time vs combat time without enhanced mobility. You are literally telling us to not take damage.

And funny thing is that you overlook the fact that shield tankers needn't have these same demands. Yet they can do the same things you say armor tanker should, only better due to enhancing mobility through modules, enhancing buffer to allow greater survival under fire, and faster regen and delay reduction to get back into the action and being a useable team asset faster.

They have the same speed as the Caldari and the Min are shield tankers. The Amarr are the only ones that the Gallente beat. As far as tactics the issue is that they are the same ones shield tankers can use and they can make superior use of them. Yes, your strategies make armor tanking potentially more workable, when you have a positional advantage, but they still work better with shields, which also can be fit to have an easier time getting that positional advantage.

You accused me at one point of ignoring factors, you seem determined to do the same here.

Again - So armour tankers have to shield tank to work?

25hp per second after ten seconds is 250, great(if you can actually fit that on a assault)

10 secs on a depleted caldari assault?(less if there is regulators) nearly all shields are almost instantly restored.

But thats what I'm telling you, I've try rep tanking, its not a viable strategy.

What you don't don't realise is that these are all tankers who know both sides of the argument