Dont expect this game to have any real sort of player base if it takes until next year to get this game halfway decent

Yeah yeah "EVE took a long time to get where it is now" EVE was also essentially alone in the sci fi spaceship based MMORPG area, Dust has a lot of competition and has spent years in development and a good year actually having people play it and provide their feedback but somehow in one feel swoop they were able to undo all the good of chromosome and give us this broken build

At least the marketing budget is set aside and the ad campaign won't start until much later.

How about you wait until CCP actually starts marketing this game. CCP said they aren't going to spend a lot of money on marketing until next year.

At least the marketing budget is set aside and the ad campaign won't start until much later.

Yes im sure tons & tons of people are gonna suddenly start playing

By that point people will have 30-40 million skill points & it will be even harder for new players to compete

CCP might as well save the money and spend it on actually trying to make the game ''playable''

Again next year is far to late, just look at falls upcoming competition, then consider what next years competition will be like, then realize that be the time Dust gets around to advertising those are completely polished games that had the same amount of development time or even less will have their own dedicated player bases running on next gen systems while this game slowly putters along

If it helps you feel better I very much wont likely be around after summer so youll have one less person you have to pretend is crazy

Actually you complete your specialization by 12 mill. Also EVE does the same thing just fine.

Wow Ps2. Yea that's some competition there /sarcasm. Destiny does look good but it wont give the same experience as dust does.

Ah yes the Dust experience
With its hit detection and aiming issues, terrible balance, missing the core suits to all races, tons of level geometry problems
How will Destiny ever compete if it cant offer the Dust experience

Actually you complete your specialization by 12 mill. Also EVE does the same thing just fine.

Good thing CCP said that those issues (Mainly aiming, hit detection, and balance) are now the priority. Those will have greatly improved and been added by the time Destiny comes out next year.

Next.

Heavies, Tankers, Scouts, Logis all need upwards of 16-18 million to completely specialize.



CCP says a lot things, but saying and actually doing are two completely different things.

Dont expect this game to have any real sort of player base if it takes until next year to get this game halfway decent

Yeah yeah "EVE took a long time to get where it is now" EVE was also essentially alone in the sci fi spaceship based MMORPG area, Dust has a lot of competition and has spent years in development and a good year actually having people play it and provide their feedback but somehow in one feel swoop they were able to undo all the good of chromosome and give us this broken build

Show me where the things they promised last year are Kane and Ill have some faith in CCP

God I cant imagine how bad the backlash would be if they had heavily advertised this game

I guarantee you since there is only 5k players at peak times that CCP are working their asses off.

IWS I am beginning to think you are a troll.

This game has already been marketed. And promoted heavily by CCP. there are numerous interviews done by CCP ANC promotions over the past year. And gameplay time with journalists and at conventions.. What do you think marketing is?

They promoted it and the game reviews came in. And what was the verdict of these game reviews?......

Do you work for CCP? Do you set in on there department meeting? Maybe you hacked into their emails. No...No I don't think so. Fact is you can't guarantee anything of the sort.

I believe what most people are saying is THEY have no patience and THEY can't wait, please speak only for yourself >.>

No but any dev with half a brain would see that 5k players is VERY lackluster (especially for a F2P game) and start picking up pace real quickly. Well that is unless they plan on shutting down dust soon which I don't see as a possibility yet.

Do you work for CCP? Do you set in on there department meeting? Maybe you hacked into their emails. No...No I don't think so. Fact is you can't guarantee anything of the sort.

I can't wait for PS4 and all the new games to come out. Then the trolls will have something else to do besides post the same **** here over and over again.

Of course, they'll get bored with PS2's massive clusterfuck battles, BF4's restrictive classes, and Destiny's "borderlandsness" and come right back to Dust. Hopefully they'll have less to ***** about by then.

I can't wait for PS4 and all the new games to come out. Then the trolls will have something else to do besides post the same **** here over and over again.

Of course, they'll get bored with PS2's massive clusterfuck battles, BF4's restrictive classes, and Destiny's "borderlandsness" and come right back to Dust. Hopefully they'll have less to ***** about by then.

They haven't showed a single tv ad, very little website ads, (The only time you see them is when you search for things eve or dust related on google) and many other advertisements.

Also don't say the PS store advertised it either because any new game gets put up on the front page for at least a week.

Tv ads?

Don't make me laugh. If you were a gamer you would have had to have your head in the sand for the past year and a half not know about this game

Well let's put it this way. The only reason why anyone knows about dust on my friends list is because I play it often. Even then most of them don't know about dust. Also most of my IRL friends don't know about dust even the ones in my college classes on GAME DESIGN (The only reason why a few know is because I told them about it)

Well let's put it this way. The only reason why anyone knows about dust on my friends list is because I play it often. Even then most of them don't know about dust. Also most of my IRL friends don't know about dust even the ones in my college classes on GAME DESIGN (The only reason why a few know is because I told them about it)

Do you work for CCP? Do you set in on there department meeting? Maybe you hacked into their emails. No...No I don't think so. Fact is you can't guarantee anything of the sort.

"1.2 is one of many, many patches" Yeah and Dust is one of many many free to play games and at its current stage (basic FPS game is broken and don't even deny it) it will be the last game people want to play, in the upcoming many many months with many many good games coming out, seriously. CCP was too slow. (How to fix this? I don't know, hire more people ASAP I guess which is what they are doing already. It's not even a problem of working manpower, it was a problem of the fundamental working environment / style / philosophy or how the management works in CCP attracting the wrong sort of people to do a "triple A e-sport MMORPGLOLFPS". No major gear shift will fix Dust or CCP, the problems go deeper than the throttle itself.

One of my favorite MMOs was horrible at launch. But the devs saw that their game was pretty damn bad and in a year made the game on of my favorite MMOs to date.

Also I suggest looking at eve when it was first released.

Again next year is far to late, just look at falls upcoming competition, then consider what next years competition will be like, then realize that be the time Dust gets around to advertising those are completely polished games that had the same amount of development time or even less will have their own dedicated player bases running on next gen systems while this game slowly putters along

If it helps you feel better I very much wont likely be around after summer so youll have one less person you have to pretend is crazy

Which MMO are you referring to? And you can't compare Dust with EVE because, this is perhaps already explained before, but they are apples and oranges, one is a niche game with completely no competition in what it is offering (this soon will be challenged), another is a laughable FPS that ranks very low on the list of "should I play this free-to-play MMORPGFPS?", and now the answer is "this FPS is broken and content is missing and oh look (insert any other titles here) I'm gonna play that instead".

Dont expect this game to have any real sort of player base if it takes until next year to get this game halfway decent

Yeah yeah "EVE took a long time to get where it is now" EVE was also essentially alone in the sci fi spaceship based MMORPG area, Dust has a lot of competition and has spent years in development and a good year actually having people play it and provide their feedback but somehow in one feel swoop they were able to undo all the good of chromosome and give us this broken build

It doesn't matter. The fools playing this game will continue to complain. Games always have the people that will constantly complain about the game, even after getting everything they want. Dust just has people who are FAR worse and feel entitled to being pampered to win without having to use skill to do so.

Once they release all the game features they said were in development, people will start complaining that the items aren't in their favourite colour.

As as soon as the items are available in their favourite color, they will complain theres no black variant.

After they release the black variant, they will complain theres no white variant.

CCP simply can't win with most of the crowd, because they feel like if they decided to play this game, either knowing or finding out its current state of development, while thinking they should be a Rock that is able to dominate Paper, Scissors, and other Rocks with ultimate ease, will continue to complain about every little thing that doesn't make their life happier by not winning at the game they are playing.

I like to laugh on the inside at the ******* who complain all day long on the forums, yet sit there each week and hit their SP cap.

Be an adult and have patience.

If they admit / tell me that player trading/ link with eve/ null/ mmo will be delivered in 2017 then I will come back then and see if they have improved the gameplay. I hope sooner than that.

I am here trying to find out when the game CCP is advertising/ talks about delivering is actually supposed to turn up. Not this 90s lobby shooter

But they won't tell us.

If they admit / tell me that player trading/ link with eve/ null/ mmo will be delivered in 2017 then I will come back then and see if they have improved the gameplay. I hope sooner than that.

I am here trying to find out when the game CCP is advertising/ talks about delivering is actually supposed to turn up. Not this 90s lobby shooter

But they won't tell us.

Did Microsoft tell you in 1990 that they would release windows 95? Did sony say they were gonna create the ps3 a year after the ps2 was released? Did Blizzard tell you they were gonna make Warcraft 3 a few months after warcraft 2 came out?

No. They didn't tell you anything until they felt it was the right time.

CCP isn't psychic. They can't tell the future. They can only continue to work on the game they are developing. If you can't handle their schedule, i suggest you change yours.

What are you talking about? I am stating what CCP are publicly promoting as the game we are playing . A game that people are paying money for.

If they want to promote that game (and not the one we have) they should tell us when they expect it to turn up.

Everything they have publicly promoted is correct. Your false interpretation of it doesn't make it incorrect.

They never stated the trading between both games was implemented, PC makes it an MMO by definition, the game IS linked with currently linked with EVE, hence the star systems that are in both games, and they are improving the gameplay with each patch. So...what exactly are YOU talking about?

Edit - This is a free to play game, people deciding to spend money on it is of their own free will, and CCP owes them nothing for it. The argument that people payed money on a free to play game is moot point.

Everything they have publicly promoted is correct. Your false interpretation of it doesn't make it incorrect.

They never stated the trading between both games was implemented, PC makes it an MMO by definition, the game IS linked with currently linked with EVE, hence the star systems that are in both games, and they are improving the gameplay with each patch. So...what exactly are YOU talking about?

Edit - This is a free to play game, people deciding to spend money on it is of their own free will, and CCP owes them nothing for it. The argument that people payed money on a free to play game has absolutely no merit.

Again with the "Free" game ...You may have free access to the game, but is not free. You need:

- PS3
- Internet Connection
- TV

As a Sony exclusive they using the game to sell PS3's to EvE fans, and PC users. Also soon Vita's with the Dust 514 App. If you want to call Dust 514 truly FREE, it should be in the PC without exclusivity rights.

It's not an mmo

It's link with eve is tenuous at most

And having been here since replication CCP promoted trading and a full eve link with soon. They have promoted this vision publicly to journalists and at game conferences.

What I am asking for is when? They must a have timeline internally.

You need to do some economics/ business 101.
FTP does not mean this is a free game. And any business saying they don't owe their customers anything will fold very quickly.

They have promoted this vision publicly to journalists and at game conferences.

Again with the "Free" game ...You may have free access to the game, but is not free. You need:

- PS3
- Internet Connection
- TV

As a Sony exclusive they using the game to sell PS3's to EvE fans, and PC users. Also soon Vita's with the Dust 514 App. If you want to call Dust 514 truly FREE, it should be in the PC without exclusivity rights.

"Vision" is they key word. Perhaps you should realize what you are saying, and what it means.

The only flaw with your statement is that the game is still free regardless. If you can't afford a ps3, dust is still free. if you can't afford an internet connection, dust is still free. if you don't have a TV...guess what? Dust is free. Paying money to panasonic and comcast communications has no bearing on CCP providing a free game.

Btw, you know that you also have to buy a computer if you wanted to play it on that, right?

The only flaw with your statement is that the game is still free regardless. If you can't afford a ps3, dust is still free. if you can't afford an internet connection, dust is still free. if you don't have a TV...guess what? Dust is free. Paying money to panasonic and comcast communications has no bearing on CCP providing a free game.

Btw, you know that you also have to buy a computer if you wanted to play it on that, right?

I do. And they say its going to be delivered. Usually with the term soon. But more importantly it was thy promote publicly as being a fact. Hence why I am asking when.

I actually don't think you have any comprehension skills. And are unable to make any logical arguments.

Without a PS3, Dust is not free ... is similar with PC's, F2P games normally have "Under the table" deals with Graphic Card and CPU companies... Just look at the Recommended Specs for a game, and you'll see the "connection".

Under the tables deals don't force me to give my credit card information to CCP to purchase items. So even with that logic, Dust 514 is STILL free.

You just pointed out they said its going to be delivered...as in not yet implemented. Then in the same paragraph you say they promoted publicly these game mechanics were implemented, as fact.

You don't see the problem there?

No. Because all CCP has done is promote a game that hasn't been delivered. I might add they may say there are but who knows. I am asking when we are expecting this magical game to turn up. 3 months 6 months 1 year 2 years 3 years ..... Etc

The promotion of these game mechanics have been going on for a year and a half. That as a fact they will turn up. When all I am asking is when.

Under the tables deals don't force me to give my credit card information to CCP to purchase items. So even with that logic, Dust 514 is STILL free.

Dust is not free. Your wrong to keep saying that. It may free to play (after you have purchased the necessary equipment needed to play but it certainly isn't free to develop, host servers etc.)

I can only lol at your lack of reading. By doing so you'd know the subject of my debate with him was dust being free to play.

And you tried to insult me with reading comprehension.

Yes 1.2 is only one of many, but when you've been around as long as I have (over a year) and very little has changed you get pretty fed up. I for one will not be playing in 1.2, not enough new material for me to come back. Until we see some changes other than a simple isk transfer system (we asked for a trade system! Not this! Classic ccp always listening to the fan base) then I won't be playing dust or buying boosters (I've spent over 100 in aurum/merc packs, ill show my disapproval with my wallet). Well this will probably be my last post until the next update, until then ill be putting my money into finished games and collecting passive.

Then stop writing free as stand alone

Name one game that has the same genre and game mechanics as dust..

Considering the subject of the discussion between me and him were "dust being free to play", i have the ability to use literacy to talk about the topic mentioned, without having to reiterate each sentence that "what im saying is dust is free to play, not free to develop", which it costing money to develop was never a topic mentioned in our discussion anyways.

Are you gonna start correcting my grammar now while you post "your" instead of "you're"?

I know the english language is considered hard to learn, but please attempt to try.

Name one game that has the same genre and game mechanics as dust.

I ask because Dust is alone in the FPS metagame genre. So what competition are you referring to? Games like Destiny that will become stale after 2 months? CoD series which gets boring after 2 weeks? Or maybe you think the bug ridden **** fest that is PS2 is somehow a more developed game because they will port to ps4 and follow the normal 3 month update schedule (if you are lucky) of most playstation games? I'm intrigued by this.

Edit - rephrased first sentence.

Tbh I think your use of FTP and free interchangeably is a mistake. I think it shows a failure to understand the point about the FTP business model and what constitutes free I may be wrong why But it may be why you think CCP has no obligations to customers. And what CCP is trying to achieve using this model.

Dust 514 cost me absolutely nothing to play it. It cost me nothing to gain 8 mil SP, and as i continue to play...i will still not pay any money to CCP to enjoy Dust, unless i decide otherwise.

CCP providing a means for you to decide on your own free will to purchase items that you can achieve in the long run (or quicker SP accrual) without spending money, does not give CCP an obligation to ANYONE playing Dust.

I think you are having a hard time understanding the fact that paying to play dust is optional.

And you don't understand, that a "GAME" that no one plays, is not much of a "GAME"... in the end of the day CCP is in the business of making games. A company that makes games for a living have an obligation to Gamers, free to play or not.

I'm pretty sure theres 5-8k players on during peak hours. So the game isn't at the stage of "no one playing", and hasn't been since i started playing.

CCP is indeed in the business of making games, and they met that obligation by providing you with the game to play.

Anything else you feel obligated/entitled to is your own misguided prerogative.

I'm pretty sure theres 5-8k players on during peak hours. So the game isn't at the stage of "no one playing", and hasn't been since i started playing.

CCP is indeed in the business of making games, and they met that obligation by providing you with the game to play.

Anything else you feel obligated/entitled to is your own misguided prerogative.

Yes im sure tons & tons of people are gonna suddenly start playing

By that point people will have 30-40 million skill points & it will be even harder for new players to compete

CCP might as well save the money and spend it on actually trying to make the game ''playable''

Actually... almost every game in the market is Free to play online, after you buy the original copy of the game. Is only few subscription games left, and most of them have change to the much more "profitable" F2P model.

I don't think you really understand what Free To Play means... it is a marketing model.

Last post on this. Your first statement is factually wrong. You fail to understand there is no such thing as free. You paid for your equipment, your Internet and your time.

Google search free and economics

I would like to see CCP come out and say to paying customers we don't owe you anything.

I never said to you that paying to play dust wasn't optional.

Last post on this. Your first statement is factually wrong. You fail to understand there is no such thing as free. You paid for your equipment, your Internet and your time.

Google search free and economics

I would like to see CCP come out and say to paying customers we don't owe you anything.

I never said to you that paying to play dust wasn't optional.

What competition. DUST doesn't have any competition. Every game with a gun in your hands is not competition to each other. No other existing game or incoming will have the persistence, complexion or your actions to meter like dust has.
PS2 sucks, so shallow and i don't even have a slightly desire to experience Destiny. Played WOW for 5 years, God forgive me and i don't have intention to play games like that anymore in my life.

Tnx to God to CCP and it's MMOs

Heavies, Tankers, Scouts, Logis all need upwards of 16-18 million to completely specialize.

Also 16-18 mil to specialize. You must have done very horrible with the skill tree.

What competition. DUST doesn't have any competition. Every game with a gun in your hands is not competition to each other. No other existing game or incoming will have the persistence, complexion or your actions to meter like dust has.
PS2 sucks, so shallow and i don't even have a slightly desire to experience Destiny. Played WOW for 5 years, God forgive me and i don't have intention to play games like that anymore in my life.

Tnx to God to CCP and it's MMOs

Company A says we are making this awesome game we are going to deliver it its going to be totally amazing. We deliver x y z mechanics. We plan to do this soon. Said for the past year and a half.

Game hasn't been delivered.

Ok tell me when this game will be delivered?

Which point don't you understand.