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Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
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Posted - 2013.06.27 23:53:00 -
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Feeling bored and want to annoy some fanboys so lets talk about this
Now I see the whole "I like this cause its tactical and you need to think" idea tossed around fairly often but it just does not match up with the game Bunny hopping, spraying fire wildly, massive health bars, and the whole LAV thing are all anathema to a true tactical experience This is not the thinking mans shooter some fanboys like to tout it as but a throwback to the arena shooters of old only less polished
Now lets take the Rainbow Six games pre Vegas Slow paced, needing to look, listen, check every corner, stick to cover for even in heavy armor a few shots is more than enough to put you down, something that truly was tactical since one mistake would cost you dearly
Now to you guys in the playerbase that do support this as a tactical game I want to know a reason why that isnt related to fittings since thats a fairly weak argument, and to everyone else what were some truly tactical games you enjoyed and wish CCP would take some examples from on how to improve this game |

BOOOGERTRON BORTZORG
Expert Intervention Caldari State
310
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Posted - 2013.06.27 23:58:00 -
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I didnt knpw people were that delusional to call it that. I would call it something like "one of the most poorly conceived and implemented attempts at a shooter in this gen". |

Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1798
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Posted - 2013.06.28 00:00:00 -
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It's tactical- just the majority of the players (such as yourself, obviously) are too stupid to take advantage of that. Zerging into a deathtrap gets you nowhere. |

Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
617
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Posted - 2013.06.28 00:01:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:It's tactical- just the majority of the players (such as yourself, obviously) are too stupid to take advantage of that. Zerging into a deathtrap gets you nowhere.
Explain how it is, dont go durr hurr you iz bad |

BOOOGERTRON BORTZORG
Expert Intervention Caldari State
310
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Posted - 2013.06.28 00:02:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:It's tactical- just the majority of the players (such as yourself, obviously) are too stupid to take advantage of that. Zerging into a deathtrap gets you nowhere. Explain how it is, dont go durr hurr you iz bad
Easy. Pretend I have 8 mill SP You have 1 mill SP The tactic is I stand in the open absorbing bullets while you tactically reload before I kill you. |

KOBLAKA1
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
100
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Posted - 2013.06.28 00:04:00 -
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I guess it is tactical if you play tactically, if your roll with your bros and cover each other etc... those that don't do something similar will break against you easily hence such one sided matches. However when like minded people face your group those matches are the exciting strategic close matches.
edit speak moar better engrish |

Terra Thesis
HDYLTA Defiant Legacy
274
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Posted - 2013.06.28 00:04:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:This is not the thinking mans shooter some fanboys like to tout it as but a throwback to the arena shooters of old only less polished
Apparently it's not even a punctuation-using man's shooter. |

FATPrincess - XOXO
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
19
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Posted - 2013.06.28 00:05:00 -
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BOOOGERTRON BORTZORG wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:It's tactical- just the majority of the players (such as yourself, obviously) are too stupid to take advantage of that. Zerging into a deathtrap gets you nowhere. Explain how it is, dont go durr hurr you iz bad Easy. Pretend I have 8 mill SP You have 1 mill SP The tactic is I stand in the open absorbing bullets while you tactically reload before I kill you.
Wow this one is nice
-XOXO
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Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
617
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Posted - 2013.06.28 00:05:00 -
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Terra Thesis wrote:Delta 749 wrote:This is not the thinking mans shooter some fanboys like to tout it as but a throwback to the arena shooters of old only less polished Apparently it's not even a punctuation-using man's shooter.
ee cummings style Now do you have something to contribute to the topic? |

FATPrincess - XOXO
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
19
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Posted - 2013.06.28 00:06:00 -
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Last of us is a good example of tactical shooter.
-XOXO |
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Vulcanus Lightbringer
Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.06.28 00:22:00 -
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While it's true that Dust isn't what's defined as a tactical shooter, that doesn't preclude the use of tactics. Checking corners is one tactic, bunny-hopping is another. Different circumstances require different tactics.
It should also be noted that Dust has the potential to be a much more strategic shooter, if PC/EVE is ever fully realized or integrated. |

Rogatien Merc
Ill Omens EoN.
162
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Posted - 2013.06.28 03:05:00 -
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactical_shooter
"" A tactical shooter is a subgenre of first-person shooters, where realistic ("real-world") settings are simulated by the gaming engine (to the best of its ability) and players use authentic military tactics to accomplish goals in the game, thus making tactics and caution more important than quick reflexes in other action games. Tactical shooters involving military combat are sometimes known as "soldier sims"."""
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authentic military tactics... check accomplishing goals in the game... check. tactics and caution more important than twitch... check
unless you haven't played in one of Dingo's squads  |

Cass Barr
Red Star. EoN.
385
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Posted - 2013.06.28 03:09:00 -
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Wait, we're not supposed to be bunny hopping in circles in the middle of the road?
Damn, I've been doin it all wrong.  |

Schalac 17
Dedicated Individuals Committed to Killing
273
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Posted - 2013.06.28 03:14:00 -
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This is an arcade shooter. Twitch based gameplay, run and gun kill the enemy before they kill you.
ARMA, Ghost Recon, Rainbow Six, Americas Army, Operation Flashpoint.... Those are tactical shooters. |

Onesimus Tarsus
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
536
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Posted - 2013.06.28 03:15:00 -
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Vulcanus Lightbringer wrote:While it's true that Dust isn't what's defined as a tactical shooter, that doesn't preclude the use of tactics. Checking corners is one tactic, bunny-hopping is another. Different circumstances require different tactics.
It should also be noted that Dust has the potential to be a much more strategic shooter, if PC/EVE is ever fully realized or integrated.
You do know that the word "potential" is starting to anger the villagers. And the "if" didn't help. |

Novawolf McDustingham The514th
The Official Mintchip Fanclub
308
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Posted - 2013.06.28 03:19:00 -
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Rogatien Merc wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactical_shooter "" A tactical shooter is a subgenre of first-person shooters, where realistic ("real-world") settings are simulated by the gaming engine (to the best of its ability) and players use authentic military tactics to accomplish goals in the game, thus making tactics and caution more important than quick reflexes in other action games. Tactical shooters involving military combat are sometimes known as "soldier sims".""" ........ authentic military tactics... check accomplishing goals in the game... check. tactics and caution more important than twitch... check unless you haven't played in one of Dingo's squads 
Just because there's a strategy to the gameplay doesn't mean it's tactical.
It's objective based run and gun FPS. If I run into 10 players all shooting at me and can get out alive with a couple of kills then it's not a tactical shooter.
SOCOM, Ghost recon, Rainbow Six - Tactical shooters.
Killzone, MAG, Halo - Run and gun
There's no need to stop or take cover and no prone - not a tactical shooter.
Also... Authentic Military Tactics in Dust? Are you... Yeah, I guess you're right. I remeber in nam when we used to run into a room full of n00bs add fire our grenade launching pistols at their feet while hopping up and down in between reloads. |

Kane Fyea
DUST University Ivy League
462
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Posted - 2013.06.28 03:22:00 -
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FATPrincess - XOXO wrote:Last of us is a good example of tactical shooter.
-XOXO No that's a good example of a survival game like resident evil. |

Kane Fyea
DUST University Ivy League
462
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Posted - 2013.06.28 03:23:00 -
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Novawolf McDustingham The514th wrote:Rogatien Merc wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactical_shooter "" A tactical shooter is a subgenre of first-person shooters, where realistic ("real-world") settings are simulated by the gaming engine (to the best of its ability) and players use authentic military tactics to accomplish goals in the game, thus making tactics and caution more important than quick reflexes in other action games. Tactical shooters involving military combat are sometimes known as "soldier sims".""" ........ authentic military tactics... check accomplishing goals in the game... check. tactics and caution more important than twitch... check unless you haven't played in one of Dingo's squads  Just because there's a strategy to the gameplay doesn't mean it's tactical. It's objective based run and gun FPS. If I run into 10 players all shooting at me and can get out alive with a couple of kills then it's not a tactical shooter. SOCOM, Ghost recon, Rainbow Six - Tactical shooters. Killzone, MAG, Halo - Run and gun There's no need to stop or take cover and no prone - not a tactical shooter. I use cover all the time. I love it when people don't because they're so easy to kill. |

Novawolf McDustingham The514th
The Official Mintchip Fanclub
308
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Posted - 2013.06.28 03:25:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:Novawolf McDustingham The514th wrote:Rogatien Merc wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactical_shooter "" A tactical shooter is a subgenre of first-person shooters, where realistic ("real-world") settings are simulated by the gaming engine (to the best of its ability) and players use authentic military tactics to accomplish goals in the game, thus making tactics and caution more important than quick reflexes in other action games. Tactical shooters involving military combat are sometimes known as "soldier sims".""" ........ authentic military tactics... check accomplishing goals in the game... check. tactics and caution more important than twitch... check unless you haven't played in one of Dingo's squads  Just because there's a strategy to the gameplay doesn't mean it's tactical. It's objective based run and gun FPS. If I run into 10 players all shooting at me and can get out alive with a couple of kills then it's not a tactical shooter. SOCOM, Ghost recon, Rainbow Six - Tactical shooters. Killzone, MAG, Halo - Run and gun There's no need to stop or take cover and no prone - not a tactical shooter. I use cover all the time. I love it when people don't because they're so easy to kill.
You use cover or you get behind stuff while you're running around - there's a difference.
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Kane Fyea
DUST University Ivy League
462
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Posted - 2013.06.28 03:25:00 -
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Schalac 17 wrote:This is an arcade shooter. Twitch based gameplay, run and gun kill the enemy before they kill you.
ARMA, Ghost Recon, Rainbow Six, Americas Army, Operation Flashpoint.... Those are tactical shooters. Really. Your calling a this a twitch shooter lol. This game is what you call a tracking shooter since you have to actually keep your target on someone for more then 2 seconds. |
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Kane Fyea
DUST University Ivy League
463
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Posted - 2013.06.28 03:26:00 -
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Novawolf McDustingham The514th wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:Novawolf McDustingham The514th wrote:Rogatien Merc wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactical_shooter "" A tactical shooter is a subgenre of first-person shooters, where realistic ("real-world") settings are simulated by the gaming engine (to the best of its ability) and players use authentic military tactics to accomplish goals in the game, thus making tactics and caution more important than quick reflexes in other action games. Tactical shooters involving military combat are sometimes known as "soldier sims".""" ........ authentic military tactics... check accomplishing goals in the game... check. tactics and caution more important than twitch... check unless you haven't played in one of Dingo's squads  Just because there's a strategy to the gameplay doesn't mean it's tactical. It's objective based run and gun FPS. If I run into 10 players all shooting at me and can get out alive with a couple of kills then it's not a tactical shooter. SOCOM, Ghost recon, Rainbow Six - Tactical shooters. Killzone, MAG, Halo - Run and gun There's no need to stop or take cover and no prone - not a tactical shooter. I use cover all the time. I love it when people don't because they're so easy to kill. You use cover or you get behind stuff while you're running around - there's a difference. I use cover. You know how people hide behind things so they don't get shot. That's what I do. |

Kinkku-Ananas Kepappi
Rautaleijona
54
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Posted - 2013.06.28 03:32:00 -
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Operation Flashpoint + EVE = ???
IMO the first project for an out-of-eve eve game should have been an RTS, that would link to planetary conquest, fw and nullsec wars in a much more organic way, but that would have to be on the PC and CCP is trying to get an entirely new subset of people into the eve experience. |

Schalac 17
Dedicated Individuals Committed to Killing
273
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Posted - 2013.06.28 03:33:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:Schalac 17 wrote:This is an arcade shooter. Twitch based gameplay, run and gun kill the enemy before they kill you.
ARMA, Ghost Recon, Rainbow Six, Americas Army, Operation Flashpoint.... Those are tactical shooters. Really. Your calling a this a twitch shooter lol. This game is what you call a tracking shooter since you have to actually keep your target on someone for more then 2 seconds. Yes, it is a twitch shooter, and more than 2 seconds....What kind of gun are you using that it takes you so long to kill someone? |

Kane Fyea
DUST University Ivy League
463
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Posted - 2013.06.28 03:36:00 -
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Schalac 17 wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:Schalac 17 wrote:This is an arcade shooter. Twitch based gameplay, run and gun kill the enemy before they kill you.
ARMA, Ghost Recon, Rainbow Six, Americas Army, Operation Flashpoint.... Those are tactical shooters. Really. Your calling a this a twitch shooter lol. This game is what you call a tracking shooter since you have to actually keep your target on someone for more then 2 seconds. Yes, it is a twitch shooter, and more than 2 seconds....What kind of gun are you using that it takes you so long to kill someone? Ok fine it take more then 5 bullets to kill someone. Happy now? |

Schalac 17
Dedicated Individuals Committed to Killing
273
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Posted - 2013.06.28 03:37:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:Schalac 17 wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:Schalac 17 wrote:This is an arcade shooter. Twitch based gameplay, run and gun kill the enemy before they kill you.
ARMA, Ghost Recon, Rainbow Six, Americas Army, Operation Flashpoint.... Those are tactical shooters. Really. Your calling a this a twitch shooter lol. This game is what you call a tracking shooter since you have to actually keep your target on someone for more then 2 seconds. Yes, it is a twitch shooter, and more than 2 seconds....What kind of gun are you using that it takes you so long to kill someone? Ok fine it take more then 5 bullets to kill someone. Happy now? Funny I head shot people with my GLU and drop them in 3-4 bullets. 2 with my scrambler pistol. |

Kane Fyea
DUST University Ivy League
463
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Posted - 2013.06.28 03:40:00 -
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Schalac 17 wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:Schalac 17 wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:Schalac 17 wrote:This is an arcade shooter. Twitch based gameplay, run and gun kill the enemy before they kill you.
ARMA, Ghost Recon, Rainbow Six, Americas Army, Operation Flashpoint.... Those are tactical shooters. Really. Your calling a this a twitch shooter lol. This game is what you call a tracking shooter since you have to actually keep your target on someone for more then 2 seconds. Yes, it is a twitch shooter, and more than 2 seconds....What kind of gun are you using that it takes you so long to kill someone? Ok fine it take more then 5 bullets to kill someone. Happy now? Funny I head shot people with my GLU and drop them in 3-4 bullets. 2 with my scrambler pistol. Yes of course with high damage weapons you'll drop someone with less shots then a fully automatic one with lower damage.
Go troll somewhere else. |

Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
5457
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Posted - 2013.06.28 03:42:00 -
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Twitch Shooter you have a half second to live most of the time it takes about 3 seconds to down most folks in this game. |

Asher Night
187. League of Infamy
184
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Posted - 2013.06.28 03:49:00 -
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Rogatien Merc wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactical_shooter "" A tactical shooter is a subgenre of first-person shooters, where realistic ("real-world") settings are simulated by the gaming engine (to the best of its ability) and players use authentic military tactics to accomplish goals in the game, thus making tactics and caution more important than quick reflexes in other action games. Tactical shooters involving military combat are sometimes known as "soldier sims".""" ........ authentic military tactics... check accomplishing goals in the game... check. tactics and caution more important than twitch... check unless you haven't played in one of Dingo's squads  (heh but yeh, i get what you're saying)
Being in the military, I promise you: Throwing grenades the very second you see hostile forces 5 feet away from you and running over people as your main method of attack are not military tactics. |

Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
2042
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Posted - 2013.06.28 03:51:00 -
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Schalac 17 wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:Schalac 17 wrote:This is an arcade shooter. Twitch based gameplay, run and gun kill the enemy before they kill you.
ARMA, Ghost Recon, Rainbow Six, Americas Army, Operation Flashpoint.... Those are tactical shooters. Really. Your calling a this a twitch shooter lol. This game is what you call a tracking shooter since you have to actually keep your target on someone for more then 2 seconds. Yes, it is a twitch shooter, and more than 2 seconds....What kind of gun are you using that it takes you so long to kill someone? My guess? not an AR. |

Novawolf McDustingham The514th
The Official Mintchip Fanclub
308
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Posted - 2013.06.28 03:53:00 -
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Asher Night wrote:Rogatien Merc wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactical_shooter "" A tactical shooter is a subgenre of first-person shooters, where realistic ("real-world") settings are simulated by the gaming engine (to the best of its ability) and players use authentic military tactics to accomplish goals in the game, thus making tactics and caution more important than quick reflexes in other action games. Tactical shooters involving military combat are sometimes known as "soldier sims".""" ........ authentic military tactics... check accomplishing goals in the game... check. tactics and caution more important than twitch... check unless you haven't played in one of Dingo's squads  (heh but yeh, i get what you're saying) Being in the military, I promise you: Throwing grenades the very second you see hostile forces 5 feet away from you and running over people as your main method of attack are not military tactics.
Aw, come on! Don't you remember those squat thrust reload drills? And who could forget the running around in tiny circles gun range.
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