Just because there's a strategy to the gameplay doesn't mean it's tactical.

It's objective based run and gun FPS. If I run into 10 players all shooting at me and can get out alive with a couple of kills then it's not a tactical shooter.

SOCOM, Ghost recon, Rainbow Six - Tactical shooters.

Killzone, MAG, Halo - Run and gun

There's no need to stop or take cover and no prone - not a tactical shooter.


Also... Authentic Military Tactics in Dust? Are you... Yeah, I guess you're right. I remeber in nam when we used to run into a room full of n00bs add fire our grenade launching pistols at their feet while hopping up and down in between reloads.

The game is not advertised as a tactical shooter. It even states when you start a new character that the combat is fast and frantic.

Fast and frantic have little place for tactical shooters.

And yes tactics are used and effective in the game. It's just hard to pull off when you're up against someone with better gear than you.

This is more arcadey than Rainbow Six type stuff, but this is still a tactical shooter.

Faster paced doesn't ruin the tactical use of squads.

I'm sorry you don't realize this.

I would agree squads are one tactical element with dust. If fact i think they implemented it pretty well.

Still that does not change the game play which compared to even BF3 (which also has squads) is not very tactical.

Faster pace does ruin tactical use of squads. There is almost no point in flanking, moving in cover, or setting up crossfire as the fight is over before it has begun. Better to just send in a mob (squad) of people into one point and overwhelm them with people standing up and shooting down the same hallway.

Feeling bored and want to annoy some fanboys so lets talk about this


Now lets take the Rainbow Six games pre Vegas
Slow paced, needing to look, listen, check every corner, stick to cover for even in heavy armor a few shots is more than enough to put you down, something that truly was tactical since one mistake would cost you dearly

Feeling bored and want to annoy some fanboys so lets talk about this

Now I see the whole "I like this cause its tactical and you need to think" idea tossed around fairly often but it just does not match up with the game
Bunny hopping, spraying fire wildly, massive health bars, and the whole LAV thing are all anathema to a true tactical experience
This is not the thinking mans shooter some fanboys like to tout it as but a throwback to the arena shooters of old only less polished

Now lets take the Rainbow Six games pre Vegas
Slow paced, needing to look, listen, check every corner, stick to cover for even in heavy armor a few shots is more than enough to put you down, something that truly was tactical since one mistake would cost you dearly


Now to you guys in the playerbase that do support this as a tactical game I want to know a reason why that isnt related to fittings since thats a fairly weak argument, and to everyone else what were some truly tactical games you enjoyed and wish CCP would take some examples from on how to improve this game

Fine - you asked for it.

Tactics:
An action or strategy carefully planned to achieve a specific end.
The art of disposing armed forces in order of battle and of organizing operations, esp. during contact with an enemy.

Your weak assertion of your point doesn't even touch upon the true meaning of tactics - yet we need to give you a full analysis on our end on how you're just blowing smoke? How about share with us instead how your point makes any valid sense? What other game on it's competitive level requires as much coordination to be successful as dust? Twitch shooters are a joke for this very reason.

Las Vegas is another good example of not being tactical - it's hiding behind corners and waiting for someone else to be stupid. There no aim or goal other then killing your enemy and moving on.

Tactics doesn't = gun game. And your first few lines support this - but then you bring up Vegas like it solidifies your point - it doesn't. Dust 514 requires you to have an open comms with your teams and flexibility to adapt to several situations. If you played in PC you would know this. It's for this very reason tactics flourish here. Giving call outs and orders happens every 30 seconds as plans change.

CCP can go F themselves for ruining this game - but please try to keep some sense before "Attempting" to **** off a group of people who hasn't yet been able to think for themselves - cause some of us happen to know and understand the concept of tactics and strategy and think you foolish atm.

Play RTS for a bit and uses these points at why dust isn't tactical to explain why WC3 is trash next to Rome Total War - you'd be a laughing stock.

Your reading comprehension lacks friend
"Tactics" in and of itself is a wide umbrella term but also avoids the point of is this game a "Tactical Shooter" which someone was kind enough to post the specific definition of earlier

Youll also see that when I mentioned the Rainbow Six series I made a specific point to say PRE VEGAS and not LAS VEGAS, world of difference there

Talk about weak assertions of ones point, why not proofread your own posts and their content or lack thereof or is your nerf rage and sperging making that overly difficult for you?

Everyone else not spazzing out and coming at this from a more neutral and gameplay focused stance and not those that just want to play semantics I appreciate your input

I like how you stubbornly ignore the points of others and harp on with the delusion that my stance hasnt been explained by myself or others in this thread, real classy but Ill humor you

Now we have already established that tactics is how you do something and we have established what generally constitutes a tactical shooter namely a slower paced more dangerous game where caution and area awareness are key
And the entire purpose of this thread was just to tell those in the playerbase that hold this as a thinking mans tactical shooter that they are wrong and its no different from other games in the genre that lambast as somehow beneath Dust for lacking its so called depth

Pretty simple stuff that I felt I got across in the OP but I guess it was beyond your ability to grasp so I spelled it out for you, I take it youll understand now


Now on a side note since you liked to bring up how my argument was smoke and mirrors how is it any different than you using hyperbolic statements in most of your posts or screaming "No U!" when you are called on your bullshit throwing a tantrum like a toddler?

"It's not tactical because other games do this too."

Lol?

Weak points are weak. The depth CCP spoke of are there RPG elements to begin with. Regardless - with map size and customization of suits and using variety in your teams - it is more tactical then most. You're blindly ignoring this.

Maybe I should push that point a bit harder in the other posts - but you'd think saying, "You require a lot more then running around to win." Would of been enough.

And just to remind you, Look at your thread topic and what it says. You've already denounced it yourself.

And to cause some more burns:
Definition: In Video Games, the term tactical generally applies to military, or shooter type games where the missions require some level of planning in order to succeed.

^ how does this not define dust?

There go those hyperbolic statements again, starting to sound like a broken record Sota

But since you want to throw around quotes here is one from Wikipedias Tactical Shooter page

.[14] In contrast to games that emphasize running and shooting, tactical shooters require more caution and patience (making use of cover and avoiding being caught in the open).[15]"

Now how close to Dust does that sound?
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This part.

Also proof of why so many people are bad at this game. Use cover pubbies -.-

Learn to use cover in game or get squashed. If you ever watched an Imp training video is empahsizes on these points - and jumping can be argued to say no game has done it right - would you enjoy not being able to hop over a railing and need to walk around it? The jumping is simply something people do to advantage of crappy hit detection.

Your argument so far is pretty weak still. Though admittedly mines not much better since it's RTS biased.

Wait, we're not supposed to be bunny hopping in circles in the middle of the road?

Damn, I've been doin it all wrong.

So you base your argument on an entirely different genre with entirely different playstyles but then tell others in the thread that their opinions are null and void?
The irony of it all actually hurts since it made me laugh so hard

Being in the military, I promise you: Throwing grenades the very second you see hostile forces 5 feet away from you and running over people as your main method of attack are not military tactics.