Serious question OP: Do you think heavies are OP as well? This will act as a good measuring stick for how serious we should be taking you.

What you're asking for is the equivalent of someone with militia starter fits to be able to easily take down someone in full prototype. Think about that for a second and let it settle in.

Uhm, did you read my posts? I can easily do that already, and that is exactly my point. Don't you get it?

Edit: my point is, you're not entitled to win just because you have more skillpoints, or have spent more isk. Have an advantage yes, but you are not, entitled to win.

If you think you're entitled to win, the game is effectively P2W, since you can get proto equivalents for AUR.

There's so many flaws in having too large gaps between very old players and very new playing together.

Waaa Q.Q I want to solo a proper tank with militia gear without skilling into AV

GTFO. Seriously.
You have to skill into advanced gear to get the ability to use the proto aurum gear, so yet another logical fallacy.
No one has brought up being entitled but you. You are apparently entitled to an argument that you will only see your side of, and will only accept a reality that exists somewhere else on some other game. And apparently we all have to play your game where you are the supreme ruler of said fantasy land. Grow The Fuq UP.

It seems that it's impossible to take down a proper fitted HAV.

They stomp infantry so quickly that often it's impossible to even get a single AV grenade out.

But it doesn't matter much, because the HAV's can anyway tank 5+ AV grenades.

The militia forge gun. The standard AV weapons are a complete joke. They can't take out a HAV by any chance at all. I once shot a full forge gun clip and threw 3 av grenades at an armor tanked HAV, and he must have laughed as he drove a little away, tanked the damage I had done in a few seconds, and killed me.

Do I really have to spec up in AV to take out a tank?

I don't have to spec up in anything to take out a protosuit, I've done that many times with a militia fit.

But HAV's can take a ridiculous amount of damage from standard AV weapons, drive a little away, out of range of AV grenades, in about three seconds. After that he just tanks the damage as he shoots you. I often see people driving tanks with 15+/0 kd ratios.

AV weapons are supposed to counter HAV's and LAV's. Not be laughed at, as they just tank the damage and shoot you. (militia HAV's are not thought of in this entry, only standard or higher)

I'm not the one doing personal attacks, so I find that I'm pretty grown up. I'm not telling you to "GTFO" am i? Or grow up? Now stop telling me to. Discussing balancing issues shouldn't turn into a flamewar.

I'm willing to see both sides, that's why I made this thread. I entirely understand that a tank shouldn't be easy to take out, but currently it just seems way too hard.

It scares new players away, because they have no chance, and this is why I think the gap should be smaller imo. It's not fun being camped by a tank and not being able to do anything, even though you're AV.

I even compared it to other games, but for some reason it's being rejected because "it's not the same game". Why is it wrong to compare it to, for example planetside 2? In planetside 2, tanks are good against infantry, but vulnerable to AV, be it one or five. I think that's a good example for how it should be.

I also do understand that you should have an advantage with better skills, and spending more isk, but the gap between players has just become too big. The game has just come out, and there's players already with 15 mil skillpoints specced in tanks.

As I said, this of course also could be fixed with matchmaking, but the result is the same anyway.

1. Want a cookie?? Most people run in free fits all day to make money
2. Game is 75% skill > 25% skillpoints



1. Yes they can... They're tanks remember??
2. Remember STD isn't very different then Militia
3. 3 seconds? They must have already been moving
4. Don't stand in the open when throwing AV nades? Or you can always do what he can't cut thru the map get on top of a roof and have sight of him for 70% of the map
5. You have to run a 12+ KD to make money as a tank... Because when you go against people who know how to kill them you will lose them...



1. Anti Vehicle weapons are used to kill Vehicles??!?!?!? GTFOT!!!
2. Trust me there are many things tank drivers laugh at... and i assure you AV is not one of them
3. No **** because your QQ has been based off your experience with MILITIA AV...

1.In other games, such as planetside 2, the tanks can actually be hurt by normal weapons. In dust only AV works, and doesn't work very well

2.Again why shouldn't we be able to do any damage with standard or militia gear? You shouldn't have to spec into AV, it should just make it easier.

3.No. Without acceleration taken into account, the tank moves 93.75km/h, which is 26m/s. The av grenades radius is 6m.

4.I try not to stand in the open, but sometimes it's the only way to reach the tank. Especially when you spawn in the open. Again, somewhat more a spawn issue than the tank itself, but you get the point.

5. I think it's stupid. Make the tanks much cheaper, and nerf them. Makes for more balanced gameplay overall.


1.I'm not sure what you mean by "GTFOT" besides you're trying to tell me you're angry because we're arguing on the internet.

2.Personally not a tank driver, so I don't know. I don't have 14 million skillpoints so I can try out one of these crazy setups.

3.Yes my experience is based on militia av, because i can't afford anything else sp wise. The next thing i will do is for sure to spec up in AV, but in the meanwhile, what do I do? Still, what do new players do? Does everyone have to spec up in AV to have a chance?

Edit: Its in 2 posts because i can only Quote 5 per O.o

Here you go i'll break your first post down for you so you can understand

1. Nothing is Impossible
2. QQ its hard to kill someone who knows how to make a fit QQ

3. Was probably a Blaster tank... They are strong vs Infantry if they can aim
4. L2bait then Go behind a wall and rain down your never ending nade spam with a nano

5. Let me guess you use lvl 1 nades >.<
6. as a shield tanker it takes 4 proto packs to kill me... 2 people who can out smart me can 2 shot me

7. they are Militia and i assume you mean the Reg Swarm launcher and Reg Forge when you say standard... Which the difference in both of them is clip size...

8. Armor tanks (std and adv) LOL at STD forge guns... you get a 20% reduction in damage... But i tell you what STD swarms will make him turn the corner a lot faster...

9. Yes tanks do tend to Hardtarget AV standing there trying to kill it

10. Is that really a question?? smh

1. Yes it is. If your dps is lower than the tanks armor/shield repair per second, it is impossible.
2. It's not hard, it's impossible alone, unless standing next to a supply depot. I've used a forge gun clip and all my AV grenades uncountable times. Also I've tried flux against shield tanks, and they didn't do any significant damage.
3. Indeed it was.
4. I've tried that, but most often they are just so fast that they drive out of range really quickly. That's what i mean when speaking about mobility btw.
5. Yes, as I've stated before, I don't have anything else.
6. I guess it's fine that it's possible with proto, but it should also be possible with standard or militia, granted it will be much harder.
7. skipping this one.
8. But he just turns around the corner and he's gone. AV infantry is really slow, while tanks are really fast. I find that odd.
9. Of course.
10. Yes it is. And I'd like you to answer it.

It seems that it's impossible to take down a proper fitted HAV. They stomp infantry so quickly that often it's impossible to even get a single AV grenade out. But it doesn't matter much, because the HAV's can anyway tank 5+ AV grenades. The militia forge gun. The standard AV weapons are a complete joke. They can't take out a HAV by any chance at all. I once shot a full forge gun clip and threw 3 av grenades at an armor tanked HAV, and he must have laughed as he drove a little away, tanked the damage I had done in a few seconds, and killed me. Do I really have to spec up in AV to take out a tank? I don't have to spec up in anything to take out a protosuit, I've done that many times with a militia fit. But HAV's can take a ridiculous amount of damage from standard AV weapons, drive a little away, out of range of AV grenades, in about three seconds. After that he just tanks the damage as he shoots you. I often see people driving tanks with 15+/0 kd ratios.

AV weapons are supposed to counter HAV's and LAV's. Not be laughed at, as they just tank the damage and shoot you.

(militia HAV's are not thought of in this entry, only standard or higher)

I'm not the one doing personal attacks, so I find that I'm pretty grown up. I'm not telling you to "GTFO" am i? Or grow up? Now stop telling me to. Discussing balancing issues shouldn't turn into a flamewar.

I'm willing to see both sides, that's why I made this thread. I entirely understand that a tank shouldn't be easy to take out, but currently it just seems way too hard.

It scares new players away, because they have no chance, and this is why I think the gap should be smaller imo. It's not fun being camped by a tank and not being able to do anything, even though you're AV.

I even compared it to other games, but for some reason it's being rejected because "it's not the same game". Why is it wrong to compare it to, for example planetside 2? In planetside 2, tanks are good against infantry, but vulnerable to AV, be it one or five. I think that's a good example for how it should be.

I also do understand that you should have an advantage with better skills, and spending more isk, but the gap between players has just become too big. The game has just come out, and there's players already with 15 mil skillpoints specced in tanks.

As I said, this of course also could be fixed with matchmaking, but the result is the same anyway.

I'm just reading through this thread and not liking what Im seeing.

Current Dust forum goers leave this guy alone, stop being douche bags, just explain to him this is Dust, it does things differently, and HTFU is something adopted from our game designers.

It seems that it's impossible to take down a proper fitted HAV. They stomp infantry so quickly that often it's impossible to even get a single AV grenade out. But it doesn't matter much, because the HAV's can anyway tank 5+ AV grenades. The militia forge gun. The standard AV weapons are a complete joke. They can't take out a HAV by any chance at all. I once shot a full forge gun clip and threw 3 av grenades at an armor tanked HAV, and he must have laughed as he drove a little away, tanked the damage I had done in a few seconds, and killed me. Do I really have to spec up in AV to take out a tank? I don't have to spec up in anything to take out a protosuit, I've done that many times with a militia fit. But HAV's can take a ridiculous amount of damage from standard AV weapons, drive a little away, out of range of AV grenades, in about three seconds. After that he just tanks the damage as he shoots you. I often see people driving tanks with 15+/0 kd ratios.

AV weapons are supposed to counter HAV's and LAV's. Not be laughed at, as they just tank the damage and shoot you.

(militia HAV's are not thought of in this entry, only standard or higher)

I'm pretty sure this was told in every post made in this stupid topic.

Stupid rant asking for I WIN button

Here's what I'm getting:

HAVs in short-range engagements- UP
HAVs in long-range engagements- OP