DUST Search - Are HAV's overpowered?

Benari Kalidima wrote:

St Evilsbitch wrote:

Benari Kalidima wrote:

Uhm, did you read my posts? I can easily do that already, and that is exactly my point. Don't you get it?

Edit: my point is, you're not entitled to win just because you have more skillpoints, or have spent more isk. Have an advantage yes, but you are not, entitled to win.

If you think you're entitled to win, the game is effectively P2W, since you can get proto equivalents for AUR.

There's so many flaws in having too large gaps between very old players and very new playing together.

GTFO. Seriously.
You have to skill into advanced gear to get the ability to use the proto aurum gear, so yet another logical fallacy.
No one has brought up being entitled but you. You are apparently entitled to an argument that you will only see your side of, and will only accept a reality that exists somewhere else on some other game. And apparently we all have to play your game where you are the supreme ruler of said fantasy land. Grow The Fuq UP.

I'm not the one doing personal attacks, so I find that I'm pretty grown up. I'm not telling you to "GTFO" am i? Or grow up? Now stop telling me to. Discussing balancing issues shouldn't turn into a flamewar.

I'm willing to see both sides, that's why I made this thread. I entirely understand that a tank shouldn't be easy to take out, but currently it just seems way too hard.

It scares new players away, because they have no chance, and this is why I think the gap should be smaller imo. It's not fun being camped by a tank and not being able to do anything, even though you're AV.

I even compared it to other games, but for some reason it's being rejected because "it's not the same game". Why is it wrong to compare it to, for example planetside 2? In planetside 2, tanks are good against infantry, but vulnerable to AV, be it one or five. I think that's a good example for how it should be.

I also do understand that you should have an advantage with better skills, and spending more isk, but the gap between players has just become too big. The game has just come out, and there's players already with 15 mil skillpoints specced in tanks.

As I said, this of course also could be fixed with matchmaking, but the result is the same anyway.

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St Evilsbitch HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 72	Posted - 2013.06.17 15:44:00 - [1] - Quote Benari Kalidima wrote: No you're not being sarcastic. Stop doing personal attacks and actually argue against me. And. "But people don't want to have to level up in anti-tank, just to be able to have the slightest chance against a HAV. There is no actual argument as you have failed to understand the game mechanics. He doesn't have to hold your hand or give you a history lesson. Your argument is this: I want to solo a tank ( that possibly has three people in it), without any investment into how I try to take it down. My answer is this: get into a rail gun turret on the map. This is your only solution. TBH you deserve the sarcasm/personal attacks. Most of the time it takes a full squad to keep 1 tank alive.
St Evilsbitch HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 72	Posted - 2013.06.17 16:01:00 - [2] - Quote Benari Kalidima wrote: No, I don't misunderstand the game mechanics. ([In other games] -logical fallacy) , like Halo, or Planetside 2, it isn't impossible for anti-vehicle infantry to take out tanks solo, so why should it in Dust? Not only do you not understand the game mechanics, you don't understand LIFE mechanics. 1. those are "other" games 2. as I stated most of the time it takes a full squad (read: six people) to keep a tank alive 3. the times it doesn't take a full squad is when my tank meets you... as you are unwilling to use team base mechanics and unwilling to make an investment in yourself to do what you have chosen to try to do
St Evilsbitch HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 74	Posted - 2013.06.17 16:35:00 - [3] - Quote Benari Kalidima wrote: Uhm, did you read my posts? I can easily do that already, and that is exactly my point. Don't you get it? Edit: my point is, you're not entitled to win just because you have more skillpoints, or have spent more isk. Have an advantage yes, but you are not, entitled to win. If you think you're entitled to win, the game is effectively P2W, since you can get proto equivalents for AUR. There's so many flaws in having too large gaps between very old players and very new playing together. GTFO. Seriously. You have to skill into advanced gear to get the ability to use the proto aurum gear, so yet another logical fallacy. No one has brought up being entitled but you. You are apparently entitled to an argument that you will only see your side of, and will only accept a reality that exists somewhere else on some other game. And apparently we all have to play your game where you are the supreme ruler of said fantasy land. Grow The Fuq UP.
St Evilsbitch HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 74	Posted - 2013.06.17 16:52:00 - [4] - Quote Sorry for my last post as when I hear the P2W argument used as a "TRUMP" card I see red. Let me tell you a story and show you that you are wrong. Me and a squad mate to down a Gunnlogi. I was in Militia gear with only STD AV nades. He had STD remotes. We zerg rushed the tank and overwhelmed it. backed it into a corner and the killing blow was my shotgun. This proves you are completely off base, unimaginative and most likely not using team support.
St Evilsbitch HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 74	Posted - 2013.06.17 17:00:00 - [5] - Quote Benari Kalidima wrote: St Evilsbitch wrote: Benari Kalidima wrote: Uhm, did you read my posts? I can easily do that already, and that is exactly my point. Don't you get it? Edit: my point is, you're not entitled to win just because you have more skillpoints, or have spent more isk. Have an advantage yes, but you are not, entitled to win. If you think you're entitled to win, the game is effectively P2W, since you can get proto equivalents for AUR. There's so many flaws in having too large gaps between very old players and very new playing together. GTFO. Seriously. You have to skill into advanced gear to get the ability to use the proto aurum gear, so yet another logical fallacy. No one has brought up being entitled but you. You are apparently entitled to an argument that you will only see your side of, and will only accept a reality that exists somewhere else on some other game. And apparently we all have to play your game where you are the supreme ruler of said fantasy land. Grow The Fuq UP. I'm not the one doing personal attacks, so I find that I'm pretty grown up. I'm not telling you to "GTFO" am i? Or grow up? Now stop telling me to. Discussing balancing issues shouldn't turn into a flamewar. I'm willing to see both sides, that's why I made this thread. I entirely understand that a tank shouldn't be easy to take out, but currently it just seems way too hard. It scares new players away, because they have no chance, and this is why I think the gap should be smaller imo. It's not fun being camped by a tank and not being able to do anything, even though you're AV. I even compared it to other games, but for some reason it's being rejected because "it's not the same game". Why is it wrong to compare it to, for example planetside 2? In planetside 2, tanks are good against infantry, but vulnerable to AV, be it one or five. I think that's a good example for how it should be. I also do understand that you should have an advantage with better skills, and spending more isk, but the gap between players has just become too big. The game has just come out, and there's players already with 15 mil skillpoints specced in tanks. As I said, this of course also could be fixed with matchmaking, but the result is the same anyway. Telling you to grow up or get out are no personal attacks. Saying something is hard is not a reason for balancing IE. nerf tanks. Here is a personal attack I cannot avoid, gain some perspective. The other games you mention have NO barrier to entry to get into what you speak of. And there will always be more seasoned players. Being creative and team play are what this game is about. You should try to use what you have at hand.