I love the forums, OMG HAV are underpowered, OMG HAV overpowered.

so people can actually end up agreeing.

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Yeah, it really frustrates me when people think they're underpowered. You're not supposed to be invincible in them. And well, i'm just trying to start a relevant discussion so people can actually end up agreeing.

I'm sorry to hear that your militia AV isn't killing STD and ADV tanks... Yes you do have to put in close to 1 million sp to get Proto AV to 4 shot my 13 mil sp tank... I'm so sorry you have to waste so much SP >.<

HTFU

First of all, thanks for being so hostile, this community certainly needs more of that.

Now about SP. It shouldn't matter if you don't have any skillpoints. You're supposed to have an advantage with more skillpoints yes, but there's not supposed to be such a big difference that it's impossible to take out a HAV. That you've spent 13mil skillpoints and 2 million isk on tanks doesn't make you entitled to win anytime over anyone who spent less skillpoints than you at AV stuff. Skill is supposed to come into play, but it just doesn't matter when it comes to the HAV's.

I know a friend of mine doesn't want to play this game due to how unbalanced tanks are.

Yeah, it really frustrates me when people think they're underpowered. You're not supposed to be invincible in them. And well, i'm just trying to start a relevant discussion so people can actually end up agreeing.

There's no universal rule that says it has to be that way. Spending more isk should give you an advantage, not make you invincible.

HAV are a joke right now. No standard tanks but advanced and prototype AV available should sum things up. If not, look at the price tag on enforcer tanks for what they do. Oh, and that zoom doesn't do anything when the game's rendering can't keep up with it.

First off, I wasn't being Hostile scrub.. Its called sarcasm but you will learn in due time.

Now if you truly believe that a weapon you get for 600 isk and no SP to use should beable to LOLrockstarhero kill a 2 mil isk tank then you're on something i could only wish to score from my dude one day.

If i bring out a MILITIA TANK and you have your MILITIA FORGE there will be a different out come.

But what you are saying is Militia AV should be able to not only kill a ADV tank np but you should be able to Solo it...

Right now AV is op seeing as our ADV tank are glass cannons and can get 4 shot by Proto AV (1 Proto AV is all you need)

You're right about one thing... This game is mostly skill... Very true... I would say about 75% skill and 25% skill points

I will say what i said again... Quit QQin and HTFU... Its a Team base game so use Teamwork

But it never ******* mattters. If it doesn't die to a single guy with ****** AV gear, it's overpowered.

If we ever get HAVs worth driving, GD will be drowning in TANKS514 threads again overnight.

But it never ******* mattters. If it doesn't die to a single guy with ****** AV gear, it's overpowered.

If we ever get HAVs worth driving, GD will be drowning in TANKS514 threads again overnight.

No you're not being sarcastic. Stop doing personal attacks and actually argue against me.

And I don't think it's wrong for a 600 isk setup to be able to take out a 2.1million isk HAV. If a 600 isk setup can take out a 200k isk proto setup, by being better at aiming, I don't see why it's wrong for a militia AV person to be able to take out a 2.1million isk tank with superior tactics. As i keep saying

But right now it's outright impossible, the HAV can just eat all the bullets and tank it away. In fact a swarm launcher only removes around 1/8 of a HAV's armor/shield. Which means you'd have to have about five people to take down a tank. Meanwhile those five people can't counter the other foot troops, because swarmlaunchers and forge guns are horrible against them. It's incredibly easy to take out the AV troops, while they're trying to take out the tanks. Forge gun troops are completely immobile while charging, making it impossible to defend themselves. Meanwhile the HAV is incredibly mobile, and can just drive around the corner and do a armor/shield rep, if the damage is really a problem at all.

This is really frustrating for new players. Try making more people play dust when they basically are totally useless against tanks for the first few months. Yes. First few months. If you're supposed to counter HAV's with 1million sp setups, it'll take more than a month in passive sp just for the AV setup. But people don't want to have to level up in anti-tank, just to be able to have the slightest chance against a HAV.

Can't blame mechanics when the problem is user error.

No you're not being sarcastic. Stop doing personal attacks and actually argue against me.

And I don't think it's wrong for a 600 isk setup to be able to take out a 2.1million isk HAV. If a 600 isk setup can take out a 200k isk proto setup, by being better at aiming, I don't see why it's wrong for a militia AV person to be able to take out a 2.1million isk tank with superior tactics. As i keep saying

But right now it's outright impossible, the HAV can just eat all the bullets and tank it away. In fact a swarm launcher only removes around 1/8 of a HAV's armor/shield. Which means you'd have to have about five people to take down a tank. Meanwhile those five people can't counter the other foot troops, because swarmlaunchers and forge guns are horrible against them. It's incredibly easy to take out the AV troops, while they're trying to take out the tanks. Forge gun troops are completely immobile while charging, making it impossible to defend themselves. Meanwhile the HAV is incredibly mobile, and can just drive around the corner and do a armor/shield rep, if the damage is really a problem at all.

This is really frustrating for new players. Try making more people play dust when they basically are totally useless against tanks for the first few months. Yes. First few months. If you're supposed to counter HAV's with 1million sp setups, it'll take more than a month in passive sp just for the AV setup. But people don't want to have to level up in anti-tank, just to be able to have the slightest chance against a HAV.

The sole reason for this thread is stating that it's not user error that's the reason. If i get a full forge gun clip or more into a tank, don't I deserve to win?

The tank only has to hit me for about 3 seconds for me to die. Meanwhile the tank is much more mobile.

It really, really shouldn't require more than 1mil skillpoints in AV to just consider taking down a tank.

As for the people who keep saying teamwork, that doesn't work either. I've been standing next to two people, all shooting swarmlaunchers at once at a tank, and it just drove behind a structure and repaired, because it's so mobile. 2 seconds later we get shot by infantry, because we don't have any proper weapons against them.

No you're not being sarcastic. Stop doing personal attacks and actually argue against me.

And. "But people don't want to have to level up in anti-tank, just to be able to have the slightest chance against a HAV.

There is no actual argument as you have failed to understand the game mechanics. He doesn't have to hold your hand or give you a history lesson. Your argument is this: I want to solo a tank ( that possibly has three people in it), without any investment into how I try to take it down. My answer is this: get into a rail gun turret on the map. This is your only solution. TBH you deserve the sarcasm/personal attacks. Most of the time it takes a full squad to keep 1 tank alive.

There is no actual argument as you have failed to understand the game mechanics. He doesn't have to hold your hand or give you a history lesson. Your argument is this: I want to solo a tank ( that possibly has three people in it), without any investment into how I try to take it down. My answer is this: get into a rail gun turret on the map. This is your only solution. TBH you deserve the sarcasm/personal attacks. Most of the time it takes a full squad to keep 1 tank alive.

No, I don't misunderstand the game mechanics. ([In other games] -logical fallacy) , like Halo, or Planetside 2, it isn't impossible for anti-vehicle infantry to take out tanks solo, so why should it in Dust?

It seems that it's impossible to take down a proper fitted HAV. They stomp infantry so quickly that often it's impossible to even get a single AV grenade out. But it doesn't matter much, because the HAV's can anyway tank 5+ AV grenades. The militia forge gun. The standard AV weapons are a complete joke. They can't take out a HAV by any chance at all. I once shot a full forge gun clip and threw 3 av grenades at an armor tanked HAV, and he must have laughed as he drove a little away, tanked the damage I had done in a few seconds, and killed me. Do I really have to spec up in AV to take out a tank? I don't have to spec up in anything to take out a protosuit, I've done that many times with a militia fit. But HAV's can take a ridiculous amount of damage from standard AV weapons, drive a little away, out of range of AV grenades, in about three seconds. After that he just tanks the damage as he shoots you. I often see people driving tanks with 15+/0 kd ratios.

AV weapons are supposed to counter HAV's and LAV's. Not be laughed at, as they just tank the damage and shoot you.

(militia HAV's are not thought of in this entry, only standard or higher)

There is no actual argument as you have failed to understand the game mechanics. He doesn't have to hold your hand or give you a history lesson. Your argument is this: I want to solo a tank ( that possibly has three people in it), without any investment into how I try to take it down. My answer is this: get into a rail gun turret on the map. This is your only solution. TBH you deserve the sarcasm/personal attacks. Most of the time it takes a full squad to keep 1 tank alive.

No, I don't misunderstand the game mechanics. In other games, like Halo, or Planetside 2, it isn't impossible for anti-vehicle infantry to take out tanks solo, so why should it in Dust?

Yea dude seriously, it is a TANK it isn't supposed to be easy to take out.

To me this is just [un]common sense.

It's funny how everyone is interpreting me as saying it should be easy. All I say is that it shouldn't be impossible. And it is right now for players not leveled up in AV. Even if they're multiple people attacking a tank. As I've said before, been unable to take out a tank being three people.

Whether this is really a question of matchmaking can also be discussed, since a player with 14mil skillpoints really shouldn't be in games with people fifteen times less.