its not even over a hundred points in DPS. I just wanted to state the fact so people stop throwing out incorrect information, if you going to argue have logic and math and numbers behind to back it up. this thread really is not about the damage, it is about idea of realism which is a null idea in games for balance. btw proto forge can take out a RDV in a single clip.

No on the RDVs... Not the assault, not without mods. Breach, but that's not really a viable weapon at all. It's just not

Oh you know whats the best, tank drivers trying to run you over, you jumping on top of their little toy, then hitting with grenades and bullets and what else have you while they panic and throw it in reverse running to the red line
No joke I rode some dumb bastard all the way across the map with him failing to shake me off

Raw numbers mean everything. Raw numbers are all that matter. Take nothing outside of math into consideration. Math is king. Math is omnipitent. If a number is greater than another number, the greater number should be reduced to the smaller number in the name of balance.

Ignore the fact that a rail tank gets to fire while keeping all of his speed, has unlimited ammo, never needs to reload, is nearly immune to all forms of non-AV weaponry, and makes children have nightmares of metal monsters drilling holes through their homes.

Ignore the fact that a forge gunner must deal with full damage from every weapon type, takes at least two seconds to fire, loses most of his already non-existant mobility while charging (or becomes immobile if you're using Breach), has a very limited clip, and can only watch in dismay as his prey leaves his sight with no hope of ever catching up to him.

But one number is bigger than the other, so forge is OP and should be nerfed.

see this here children is a 1 sided argument where you only list the issues with 1 side and a positive while listing positives of the other yet completely ignoring its issues because everyone knows since this conversation has been going longer that theres already counter claims to this.

so in stead of repeating myself I`ll just say, yes math is important, it allows you to count with your fingers a trick you haven't learned yet:

1) ISK cost is WAY more, at times 30x more if I`m not mistaken.

2) PG is 1k

3) CPU is above a 100

etc, got to say that you know what your talking about, because the tank can`t take damage from anti trooper guns the weapon must not be OP, thanks for your heavenly logic its been a laugh.

its not even over a hundred points in DPS. I just wanted to state the fact so people stop throwing out incorrect information, if you going to argue have logic and math and numbers behind to back it up. this thread really is not about the damage, it is about idea of realism which is a null idea in games for balance. btw proto forge can take out a RDV in a single clip.

So you're trying to call out Flying Pig for pointing out the issues you so conveniently ignored? That's pure ego right there. You get one argument shot out from under you and you find something else and you'll run this pattern in a circle. You're one of those people that just can't admit you're wrong even when something is laid out simply before you. If it's not damage, it's fitting, if it's not fitting it's cost. If you have so much problem with Dust 514's hard counter to armor, maybe you should go play something else. The forge is doing it's job as intended. We can tell because some tank jocks are QQing about it. Not all of them, not even a majority. Just some.

in my opinion (I`ve been thinking about it for a while and in some aspects I know I was wrong), FGs need a 50-150 DD nerf and small railguns need a 150-250 DD buff. In the long run PRO and maybe even ADV tanks would litterly need a team of FGers to take down or a AV vehicle and in my opinion that's fare, I truly don`t see why 1 man (yes this is the future I agree but I`m sure vehicles get improved material and tech as well) should be able to take out a tank, MAV, LAV, LAA or DS that makes sense but a heavy vehicle I think should require a AV turret or air support, a strike, a group of people or something so that's where I`m coming from. 1 of my other faults was my title, all things considered the FG isn`t the #1 (off topic, I used the Flaylock PRO 2 weeks ago, yes OP barely specked into it, so when it comes to a change in stats by % rather then number count different the flaylocks there), also there aren't as much OP weapons as there are other things OP, weapon wise most things are UP (kinda funny reading that but it is honest). so going back on topic, can we agree that a 50-150 DD damage nerf isn`t over reacting but a fare place to play and see?

Oh you know whats the best, tank drivers trying to run you over, you jumping on top of their little toy, then hitting with grenades and bullets and what else have you while they panic and throw it in reverse running to the red line
No joke I rode some dumb bastard all the way across the map with him failing to shake me off

Let's look at raw Proto Forge Guns (w/Operation skill). Remember that the charge time before each shot is a constant therefore Damage Per Second (DPS) remains the same regardless of number of shots fired.

Kaalakiota: 1584.0 damage, 3.5 (2.625) sec charge time. DPS = 452.571(603.429)
Ishukone Assault Forge Gun: 1663.2 damage, 2.5 (1.875) sec charge time. DPS = 665.28(887.04)
Wiyrkomi Breach Forge Gun: 2773.0 damage, 6 (4.5) second charge (immobilized) DPS = 462.167(616.222)

Now let's look at raw Proto Rail Turrets. Remember, large rail turret charges in .3 seconds and that is when it fires it's first shot. Following shots are at the 1.8/2.2 second refire rate. I'm going to figure DPS over two (three) shots as a supposed tanker swore up and down that a Proto Compressed Particle Cannon overheats on the third shot no exceptions, otherwise I'd figure it over four shots.

80GJ Regulated/Particle Cannon: 1438.9, .3 second spool, 1.8 second refire. DPS = 1370.381(1106.846)
80GJ Compressed Particle Cannon: 1798.7, .3 second spool, 2.2 second refire. DPS = 1438.96(1148.106)

So, the Large Rail Turrets outperform Proto Forge Guns in damage over time.

So then we tank drivers are just supposed to sit there and let you take out our hp with a forge gun that does more damage than our rail gun on the same gear level? No. I don't think so.

buff the rail gun cannons (large turrets) so that they do at least 100 more damage to HP than the forge guns of the same level, that way the logic will make sense, otherwise you should just equipped a breach forge gun as the main cannon on a tank because the rail gun of the same level is weaker which makes no sense

trade ya?

you can have the breach forge gun for ur main turret if i get the large railgun as a heavy weapon, both as they are in the game right now of course

I made a video expressing the OP's Concerns

Please leave comment if you agree.

Thanks

Be your own Judge. What game looks like more fun to you? Dust.........Or this.........

Planetside 2

Coming to PS4 this year

Railguns get zoom, UNLIMITED ammo, less charge time. Railguns also can fire again like 4 times with half a second intervals without needing to charge again (more DPS). You can't balance properly if you only look at one aspect.

The "balance" your looking for can be found in the fact that Heavy suits sprint at 5 m/s while a tank goes over 20 (if im not mistaken). What you lack in damage is made up for in mobility, Though I will admit that its weird how a handheld weapon does more damage then a tank mounted turret. Who knows, maybe one day tanks will get another HP buff, or a PG/CPU buff.

Let's look at raw Proto Forge Guns (w/Operation skill 5). Remember that the charge time before each shot is a constant therefore Damage Per Second (DPS) remains the same regardless of number of shots fired.

Kaalakiota: 1584.0 damage, 3.5 (2.625) sec charge time. DPS = 452.571(603.429)
Ishukone Assault Forge Gun: 1663.2 damage, 2.5 (1.875) sec charge time. DPS = 665.28(887.04)
Wiyrkomi Breach Forge Gun: 2773.0 damage, 6 (4.5) second charge (immobilized) DPS = 462.167(616.222)

Now let's look at raw Proto Rail Turrets. Remember, large rail turret charges in .3 seconds and that is when it fires it's first shot. Following shots are at the 1.8/2.2 second refire rate. I'm going to figure DPS over two (three) shots as a supposed tanker swore up and down that a Proto Compressed Particle Cannon overheats on the third shot no exceptions, otherwise I'd figure it over four shots.

80GJ Regulated/Particle Cannon: 1438.9, .3 second spool, 1.8 second refire. DPS = 1370.381(1106.846)
80GJ Compressed Particle Cannon: 1798.7, .3 second spool, 2.2 second refire. DPS = 1438.96(1148.106)

So, the Large Rail Turrets outperform Proto Forge Guns in damage over time.