DUST Search - stats of the biggest OP weapon.

hackerzilla wrote:

Shouper of BHD wrote:

its starting to feel like DUST514 was made by Capcom where guns made for vehicles are fired from the hip, because FGs are as good as LARGE RAILGUNS aka anti tank tank guns, the large railgun has unlimited ammo and a faster fire rate true, but does less damage and considering its cost in ISK, AUR , PG and CPU and requirements this would be crazy to say its balanced, heavy weapons should be toe to toe with small turrets (the small rail guns need a buff btw) but feast your own eyes on the stats, do take inot mind I didn`t post the cost and power requirments so these stats are actually in favor of the FG and it is still obvious they are OP:

Large railgun turret
STD: DD 1106.9 SD 180 BR 2.3 FI 1.8 CUT 0.3
ADV: DD 1272.9 SD 207 BR 2.5 FI 1.8 CUT 0.3
PRO: DD 1438.9 SD 234 BR 2.5 FI 1.8 CUT 0.3

Large compressed railgun
STD: DD 1383.6 SD 225 BR 2.5 FI 2.2 CUT 0.2
ADV: DD 1591.1 SD 258.8 BR 2.5 FI 2.2 CUT 0.2
PRO: DD 1798.7 SD 292.5 BR 2.5 FI 2.2 CUT 0.2

Assault FG stats:
STD: no item.
ADV: DD 1524.6 SD 254.1 BR 2.8 FI none CUT 2.5
PRO: DD 1663.2 SD 277.2 BR 3.0 FI none CUT 2.5

Breach FG stats:
STD: DD 2310 SD 231 BR 1.2 FI none CUT 6.0
ADV: DD 2514 SD 254.1 BR 1.4 FI none CUT 6.0
PRO: DD 2777.2 SD 277.2 BR 1.5 FI none CUT 6.0

normal FG stats:
STD: DD 1320 SD 232 BR 2.0 FI none CUT 3.5
ADV: DD 1452 SD 245.1 BR 2.8 FI none CUT 3.5
PRO: DD 1584 SD 277.2 BR 3.0 FI none CUT 3.5

normal small railguns:
STD: DD 412.5 SD 90 BR 0.7 FI 1.4
ADV: DD 495 SD 108 BR 0.7 FI 1.4
PRO: DD 536.2 SD 117 BR 0.7 FI 1.4

Compressed small railguns:
STD: DD 472.5 SD 90 BR 0.7 FI 1.4
ADV: DD 565 SD 108 BR 0.7 FI 1.4
PRO: DD 616.2 SD 117 BR 0.7 FI 1.4

This might just be a hunch, but I'm pretty sure that's why they are called "anti-armor". Whatever that may mean...

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Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 170	Posted - 2013.06.17 06:11:00 - [1] - Quote its starting to feel like DUST514 was made by Capcom where guns made for vehicles are fired from the hip, because FGs are as good as LARGE RAILGUNS aka anti tank tank guns, the large railgun has unlimited ammo and a faster fire rate true, but does less damage and considering its cost in ISK, AUR , PG and CPU and requirements this would be crazy to say its balanced, heavy weapons should be toe to toe with small turrets (the small rail guns need a buff btw) but feast your own eyes on the stats, do take inot mind I didn`t post the cost and power requirments so these stats are actually in favor of the FG and it is still obvious they are OP: Large railgun turret STD: DD 1106.9 SD 180 BR 2.3 FI 1.8 CUT 0.3 ADV: DD 1272.9 SD 207 BR 2.5 FI 1.8 CUT 0.3 PRO: DD 1438.9 SD 234 BR 2.5 FI 1.8 CUT 0.3 Large compressed railgun STD: DD 1383.6 SD 225 BR 2.5 FI 2.2 CUT 0.2 ADV: DD 1591.1 SD 258.8 BR 2.5 FI 2.2 CUT 0.2 PRO: DD 1798.7 SD 292.5 BR 2.5 FI 2.2 CUT 0.2 Assault FG stats: STD: no item. ADV: DD 1524.6 SD 254.1 BR 2.8 FI none CUT 2.5 PRO: DD 1663.2 SD 277.2 BR 3.0 FI none CUT 2.5 Breach FG stats: STD: DD 2310 SD 231 BR 1.2 FI none CUT 6.0 ADV: DD 2514 SD 254.1 BR 1.4 FI none CUT 6.0 PRO: DD 2777.2 SD 277.2 BR 1.5 FI none CUT 6.0 normal FG stats: STD: DD 1320 SD 232 BR 2.0 FI none CUT 3.5 ADV: DD 1452 SD 245.1 BR 2.8 FI none CUT 3.5 PRO: DD 1584 SD 277.2 BR 3.0 FI none CUT 3.5 normal small railguns: STD: DD 412.5 SD 90 BR 0.7 FI 1.4 ADV: DD 495 SD 108 BR 0.7 FI 1.4 PRO: DD 536.2 SD 117 BR 0.7 FI 1.4 Compressed small railguns: STD: DD 472.5 SD 90 BR 0.7 FI 1.4 ADV: DD 565 SD 108 BR 0.7 FI 1.4 PRO: DD 616.2 SD 117 BR 0.7 FI 1.4
Queen of Uranus Dust 514 Forum Trolls 31	Posted - 2013.06.17 06:17:00 - [2] - Quote Congrats on the turret QQ twas salty. Posted this in another thread but it applies here as well. Maybe this will help. *Starts throwing rocks Learn to dodge fool.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 384	Posted - 2013.06.17 06:20:00 - [3] - Quote Queen of Uranus wrote: Congrats on the turret QQ twas salty. Posted this in another thread but it applies here as well. Maybe this will help. *Starts throwing rocks Learn to dodge fool. Oh you know whats the best, tank drivers trying to run you over, you jumping on top of their little toy, then hitting with grenades and bullets and what else have you while they panic and throw it in reverse running to the red line No joke I rode some dumb bastard all the way across the map with him failing to shake me off
Yeva Kalsani Reckoners 130	Posted - 2013.06.17 06:24:00 - [4] - Quote So what are you actually suggesting, FG must be weaker or RG must be stronger? Protip: Either answer is going to make you look like a scrub.
Syther Shadows The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 120	Posted - 2013.06.17 06:26:00 - [5] - Quote if you want to loss your unlimited ammunition and replace it with 12 shots 3k damage each 3 shots before you over heat here you go Be my guess just don't drag my mlt tank into it
Queen of Uranus Dust 514 Forum Trolls 31	Posted - 2013.06.17 06:27:00 - [6] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Queen of Uranus wrote: Congrats on the turret QQ twas salty. Posted this in another thread but it applies here as well. Maybe this will help. *Starts throwing rocks Learn to dodge fool. Oh you know whats the best, tank drivers trying to run you over, you jumping on top of their little toy, then hitting with grenades and bullets and what else have you while they panic and throw it in reverse running to the red line No joke I rode some dumb bastard all the way across the map with him failing to shake me off Recently? Thought you could no longer do that.
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 170	Posted - 2013.06.17 06:31:00 - [7] - Quote are you guys crazy? you find me saying this is imbalanced on how strong the FGs are is stupid? no wonder why this game is going so slow we got first time beta testers and people not wanting to give up or admit something is OP. learn to dodge? how about you learn to dodge because clearly a rock hit your head.
Yeva Kalsani Reckoners 130	Posted - 2013.06.17 06:34:00 - [8] - Quote I'm gonna ask it: how much have you actually used a Forge Gun?
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 4405	Posted - 2013.06.17 06:37:00 - [9] - Quote Railguns get zoom, UNLIMITED ammo, less charge time. Railguns also can fire again like 4 times with half a second intervals without needing to charge again (more DPS). You can't balance properly if you only look at one aspect.
Queen of Uranus Dust 514 Forum Trolls 31	Posted - 2013.06.17 06:42:00 - [10] - Quote Shouper of BHD wrote: are you guys crazy? you find me saying this is imbalanced on how strong the FGs are is stupid? no wonder why this game is going so slow we got first time beta testers and people not wanting to give up or admit something is OP. learn to dodge? how about you learn to dodge because clearly a rock hit your head. Dear crying child, this is not a beta. Also its not our fault we were stuck playing the same builds for 6 months and only "tested" 10% of the actual game.

Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 170	Posted - 2013.06.17 06:47:00 - [11] - Quote Queen of Uranus wrote: Shouper of BHD wrote: are you guys crazy? you find me saying this is imbalanced on how strong the FGs are is stupid? no wonder why this game is going so slow we got first time beta testers and people not wanting to give up or admit something is OP. learn to dodge? how about you learn to dodge because clearly a rock hit your head. Dear crying child, this is not a beta. Also its not our fault we were stuck playing the same builds for 6 months and only "tested" 10% of the actual game. its only crying if you read it that way, + I`ve probably been here before you also to those reading her (or his) comemnts look to left, oh wait forum troll clan....
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 170	Posted - 2013.06.17 06:48:00 - [12] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Railguns get zoom, UNLIMITED ammo, less charge time. Railguns also can fire again like 4 times with half a second intervals without needing to charge again (more DPS). You can't balance properly if you only look at one aspect. and your saying their bonuses don`t make up for the ISK, PG and CPU costs?
Yeva Kalsani Reckoners 130	Posted - 2013.06.17 06:53:00 - [13] - Quote Shouper of BHD wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Railguns get zoom, UNLIMITED ammo, less charge time. Railguns also can fire again like 4 times with half a second intervals without needing to charge again (more DPS). You can't balance properly if you only look at one aspect. and your saying their bonuses don`t make up for the ISK, PG and CPU costs? There's another fact that's not in the stats, namely that railguns are mounted on an actual vehicle, while the Forge Gun is carried by a squishy heavy infantry person who lights up like a christmas tree before shots.
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 369	Posted - 2013.06.17 07:00:00 - [14] - Quote /failthread Use the FG and then say it's OP.
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 170	Posted - 2013.06.17 07:04:00 - [15] - Quote Yeva Kalsani wrote: Shouper of BHD wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Railguns get zoom, UNLIMITED ammo, less charge time. Railguns also can fire again like 4 times with half a second intervals without needing to charge again (more DPS). You can't balance properly if you only look at one aspect. and your saying their bonuses don`t make up for the ISK, PG and CPU costs? There's another fact that's not in the stats, namely that railguns are mounted on an actual vehicle, while the Forge Gun is carried by a squishy heavy infantry person who lights up like a christmas tree before shots. so your saying the light that's out of range to aerial vehicles viewing distance (most of the time) that the size of a spec that can hide in rubble is less noticeable then a tank? when it comes to vision they are =s to being noticed. if you really want to go into the tank itself and the suit I will be coming back tomorrow with full stats of drop suit and vehicle in it will be a world of hell of comparisons but I think CCP can clear this issue, asking them for a FG vs railgun tank KDR wouldn`t be fare but seeing that they are both anti vehicle can we see vehicle kills done by FGs compared to vehicle kills done by railguns? CCP does have these stats and with them they can answer like a bazillion threads of this argument.
Queen of Uranus Dust 514 Forum Trolls 31	Posted - 2013.06.17 07:05:00 - [16] - Quote Shouper of BHD wrote: Queen of Uranus wrote: Shouper of BHD wrote: are you guys crazy? you find me saying this is imbalanced on how strong the FGs are is stupid? no wonder why this game is going so slow we got first time beta testers and people not wanting to give up or admit something is OP. learn to dodge? how about you learn to dodge because clearly a rock hit your head. Dear crying child, this is not a beta. Also its not our fault we were stuck playing the same builds for 6 months and only "tested" 10% of the actual game. its only crying if you read it that way, + I`ve probably been here before you also to those reading her (or his) comemnts look to left, oh wait forum troll clan.... Everyone reads it that way because the paper is still wet with your tear drops. Imagine that! I doubt you have been here longer tbh unless you are a DEV and what does my corp have to do with your QQ's?
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 386	Posted - 2013.06.17 07:07:00 - [17] - Quote Queen of Uranus wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Queen of Uranus wrote: Congrats on the turret QQ twas salty. Posted this in another thread but it applies here as well. Maybe this will help. *Starts throwing rocks Learn to dodge fool. Oh you know whats the best, tank drivers trying to run you over, you jumping on top of their little toy, then hitting with grenades and bullets and what else have you while they panic and throw it in reverse running to the red line No joke I rode some dumb bastard all the way across the map with him failing to shake me off Recently? Thought you could no longer do that. You just need to get the timing and angle right, if hes at top speed or you do it at a direct angle you will die but otherwise you should land on his hull and enjoy him trying to wave you off with the main gun turret
RuckingFetard Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 195	Posted - 2013.06.17 07:08:00 - [18] - Quote CRY MOAR SHOUPER
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 128	Posted - 2013.06.17 07:50:00 - [19] - Quote Dude are your serious? Vehicles in Dust are the only things in new eden that have unlimited ammo , I don't play EVE but its my understanding that they have to buy their ammo for their space ships. Also you have the option to recall your tank, so quit QQing because you got into a match were the other team came prepared to counter your shiny expensive toy.
Charlotte O'Dell Molon Labe. League of Infamy 507	Posted - 2013.06.17 07:59:00 - [20] - Quote I think forge guns are fine, but they seem OP compared to the wimpy tanks we're forced to use. Where is my proto tank!?!?!?!

Sir Meode Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 669	Posted - 2013.06.17 08:06:00 - [21] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Railguns get zoom, UNLIMITED ammo, less charge time. Railguns also can fire again like 4 times with half a second intervals without needing to charge again (more DPS). You can't balance properly if you only look at one aspect. My railgun wont kill a tank as fast as a proto forgegun will
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 128	Posted - 2013.06.17 08:15:00 - [22] - Quote Sir Meode wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Railguns get zoom, UNLIMITED ammo, less charge time. Railguns also can fire again like 4 times with half a second intervals without needing to charge again (more DPS). You can't balance properly if you only look at one aspect. My railgun wont kill a tank as fast as a proto forgegun will That's why its really easy to kill a forge gunner.
castba Penguin's March 8	Posted - 2013.06.17 08:17:00 - [23] - Quote OP, you are implying that you been here for quite a while, but why are you crying over FG's now? Forge guns are one or the few weapons that haven't been buffed/nerfed since the open beta. Why do you think that is?
Rusty Shallows Black Jackals 109	Posted - 2013.06.17 08:24:00 - [24] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: Dude are your serious? Vehicles in Dust are the only things in new eden that have unlimited ammo, I don't play EVE but its my understanding that they have to buy their ammo for their space ships. Also you have the option to recall your tank, so quit QQing because you got into a match were the other team came prepared to counter your shiny expensive toy. Even the nice lasers have crystals that burn out. The infinitive ammo supply for turrets was one thing that really surprised me at first. That and having cool down timers instead of a capacitor pool.
Ninjanomyx Imperfects Negative-Feedback 75	Posted - 2013.06.17 08:35:00 - [25] - Quote TC forgot to add that FG Operations reduces Charge Time. IDC though......tbh the Major Issue is the Assault FG. It has faster Charge Time & better Damage than the Basic. They also have better AOE than Rails, so.....yay??? Any idiot arguing the Charge cannot be held making it "Balanced" simply wants to keep their AI/AV Omnificiency. Also, Sidearms apparently don't exist for a Heavy Supply Depot & Logibro = Ammo + HP Fountain. LogiLav = Tank Transport Roadkillathon. Combine for EZ-Mode. castba wrote: OP, you are implying that you been here for quite a while, but why are you crying over FG's now? Forge guns are one or the few weapons that haven't been buffed/nerfed since the open beta. Why do you think that is? They are getting Nerfed. Enjoy the other side of the Tear Faucet :P
Yeva Kalsani Reckoners 131	Posted - 2013.06.17 08:43:00 - [26] - Quote Ninjanomyx wrote: castba wrote: OP, you are implying that you been here for quite a while, but why are you crying over FG's now? Forge guns are one or the few weapons that haven't been buffed/nerfed since the open beta. Why do you think that is? They are getting Nerfed. Enjoy the other side of the Tear Faucet :P What, the damage decay after optimal range of 300m? Last I checked, all my longest-range FG kills, including dropship takedowns, were well within that range. The tears will continue to flow, because the only people who benefit from this "nerf" are dropship pilots (who need more than that to balance them against FG).
RuckingFetard Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 197	Posted - 2013.06.17 08:57:00 - [27] - Quote Think I forgot to mention that he's a DS pilot. Don't know when he acquired a tank this build
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 174	Posted - 2013.06.17 17:07:00 - [28] - Quote RuckingFetard wrote: Think I forgot to mention that he's a DS pilot. Don't know when he acquired a tank this build I drove tanks before the last repec, I also had FGs over the winter so I have all around experience, I have 8.5 mill SP into DSes at, I had PRO FGs in the winter and when I had tanks I was a all vehicle person as well so now you guys no my experience I challenge those who asked me if I had experience in those roles: do you use FGs? when and how much SP? do you use tanks more specifically railguns (I got them to PRO, lv4 btw) when and how much SP? so have you been on the receiving and delivering end of this? Also why now? wow if I`m dumb you are all brain damaged, all of the guns got changed in market place value inclueding heavy weapons and many guns were nerfed to be balanced with the new costs EXCEPT FGs! seeing the ammo argument here seeing that's the 1 thing you can rely on and since you claim both guns are equally balanced then lets say the ISK cost is for ammo! how much ammo would the large railgun cost then mag for mag clip for clip?
hackerzilla Defenders of the Helghast Dream 5	Posted - 2013.06.17 17:10:00 - [29] - Quote Shouper of BHD wrote: its starting to feel like DUST514 was made by Capcom where guns made for vehicles are fired from the hip, because FGs are as good as LARGE RAILGUNS aka anti tank tank guns, the large railgun has unlimited ammo and a faster fire rate true, but does less damage and considering its cost in ISK, AUR , PG and CPU and requirements this would be crazy to say its balanced, heavy weapons should be toe to toe with small turrets (the small rail guns need a buff btw) but feast your own eyes on the stats, do take inot mind I didn`t post the cost and power requirments so these stats are actually in favor of the FG and it is still obvious they are OP: Large railgun turret STD: DD 1106.9 SD 180 BR 2.3 FI 1.8 CUT 0.3 ADV: DD 1272.9 SD 207 BR 2.5 FI 1.8 CUT 0.3 PRO: DD 1438.9 SD 234 BR 2.5 FI 1.8 CUT 0.3 Large compressed railgun STD: DD 1383.6 SD 225 BR 2.5 FI 2.2 CUT 0.2 ADV: DD 1591.1 SD 258.8 BR 2.5 FI 2.2 CUT 0.2 PRO: DD 1798.7 SD 292.5 BR 2.5 FI 2.2 CUT 0.2 Assault FG stats: STD: no item. ADV: DD 1524.6 SD 254.1 BR 2.8 FI none CUT 2.5 PRO: DD 1663.2 SD 277.2 BR 3.0 FI none CUT 2.5 Breach FG stats: STD: DD 2310 SD 231 BR 1.2 FI none CUT 6.0 ADV: DD 2514 SD 254.1 BR 1.4 FI none CUT 6.0 PRO: DD 2777.2 SD 277.2 BR 1.5 FI none CUT 6.0 normal FG stats: STD: DD 1320 SD 232 BR 2.0 FI none CUT 3.5 ADV: DD 1452 SD 245.1 BR 2.8 FI none CUT 3.5 PRO: DD 1584 SD 277.2 BR 3.0 FI none CUT 3.5 normal small railguns: STD: DD 412.5 SD 90 BR 0.7 FI 1.4 ADV: DD 495 SD 108 BR 0.7 FI 1.4 PRO: DD 536.2 SD 117 BR 0.7 FI 1.4 Compressed small railguns: STD: DD 472.5 SD 90 BR 0.7 FI 1.4 ADV: DD 565 SD 108 BR 0.7 FI 1.4 PRO: DD 616.2 SD 117 BR 0.7 FI 1.4 This might just be a hunch, but I'm pretty sure that's why they are called "anti-armor". Whatever that may mean...
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 174	Posted - 2013.06.17 17:15:00 - [30] - Quote hackerzilla wrote: Shouper of BHD wrote: its starting to feel like DUST514 was made by Capcom where guns made for vehicles are fired from the hip, because FGs are as good as LARGE RAILGUNS aka anti tank tank guns, the large railgun has unlimited ammo and a faster fire rate true, but does less damage and considering its cost in ISK, AUR , PG and CPU and requirements this would be crazy to say its balanced, heavy weapons should be toe to toe with small turrets (the small rail guns need a buff btw) but feast your own eyes on the stats, do take inot mind I didn`t post the cost and power requirments so these stats are actually in favor of the FG and it is still obvious they are OP: Large railgun turret STD: DD 1106.9 SD 180 BR 2.3 FI 1.8 CUT 0.3 ADV: DD 1272.9 SD 207 BR 2.5 FI 1.8 CUT 0.3 PRO: DD 1438.9 SD 234 BR 2.5 FI 1.8 CUT 0.3 Large compressed railgun STD: DD 1383.6 SD 225 BR 2.5 FI 2.2 CUT 0.2 ADV: DD 1591.1 SD 258.8 BR 2.5 FI 2.2 CUT 0.2 PRO: DD 1798.7 SD 292.5 BR 2.5 FI 2.2 CUT 0.2 Assault FG stats: STD: no item. ADV: DD 1524.6 SD 254.1 BR 2.8 FI none CUT 2.5 PRO: DD 1663.2 SD 277.2 BR 3.0 FI none CUT 2.5 Breach FG stats: STD: DD 2310 SD 231 BR 1.2 FI none CUT 6.0 ADV: DD 2514 SD 254.1 BR 1.4 FI none CUT 6.0 PRO: DD 2777.2 SD 277.2 BR 1.5 FI none CUT 6.0 normal FG stats: STD: DD 1320 SD 232 BR 2.0 FI none CUT 3.5 ADV: DD 1452 SD 245.1 BR 2.8 FI none CUT 3.5 PRO: DD 1584 SD 277.2 BR 3.0 FI none CUT 3.5 normal small railguns: STD: DD 412.5 SD 90 BR 0.7 FI 1.4 ADV: DD 495 SD 108 BR 0.7 FI 1.4 PRO: DD 536.2 SD 117 BR 0.7 FI 1.4 Compressed small railguns: STD: DD 472.5 SD 90 BR 0.7 FI 1.4 ADV: DD 565 SD 108 BR 0.7 FI 1.4 PRO: DD 616.2 SD 117 BR 0.7 FI 1.4 This might just be a hunch, but I'm pretty sure that's why they are called "anti-armor". Whatever that may mean... just a hunch but ALL OF THEESE ARE ANTI ARMOR derp ship! (word play humor!) and 1 of these is held by a fat man, another are mounted in 2s on a vehicle and the other is so large only tanks can hold 1! yet people are saying they are balanced! THATS THE ISSUE! when I say they are OP the other side is saying they are equal to a tanks cannon! they should be equal to the small railgun (but the small railgun needs a buff so that's why their stats are here as well).



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