Knee jerk reaction here so I may be over reacting but it reads like you want infantry based AV to be a deterrent to heavy armor rather than a threat. You reasoning appears to be because one man can't be a threat heavy armor.

May I point you to the dragon missile system. One man carrying two missiles and a launcher quite capable of crippling, if not destroying, a main battle tank with one shot.

But then reality makes for an unbalanced game. A game where some tank jocks want the other team to severely handicap themselves to deal with one or two vehicular threats if they use infantry based AV. Requiring a four or six man AV team to take out a HAV will be fine when we're running 60 vs 60. But at 16 vs 16, it's just not a feasible option. Tanks will either run around opposed, but not threatened, while the non-AV infantry's ability to take and hold points will be handicapped, or all infantry based AV, except grenades, will become nearly extinct and people will QQ about there being too many tanks on the battlefield that they can't counter. Wait... That last one is already happeing. LOL

Personally, the primary thing I see wrong with HAVs is that they don't have the PG/CPU to properly fit the modules to fit the differing play styles of the various tank jocks. I'm sure there will be proto hulls coming, but until then... Tank Jocks are going to have to work with what CCP has available to them. And the advanced hulls... Their shield and armor bases need to be brought up to match the basics. I know the difference isn't much, but every little bit helps.

So no. In my opinion Infantry AV doesn't need much of a fix (cough, AV Grenades, cough), but HAVs do need work.

Oh wow. Look at that. A dedicated forge gunner arguing for HAV fixes. Imagine that.

LOL at all the tank drivers suffering from forge gun envy... stop being a bunch of aspies and think about this a bit.

Railguns are balanced for tank vs tank battles, not tank vs heavy battles. If they up the damage on railguns then tank vs. tank battles would be one shot shorter, they're fast enough as it is. A railtank vs heavy is a one shot victory for the tank already,.

This "discussion" is a waste of time that serves to real purpose.

I said PRO AVs that should accure, in STD is should be able to be 1 manned FGered (speed of death determines of FG... aka what we have now) ADV should have better chances but not to high of an increase 9the highest change of stats, modules etc accure in ADV-PRO so that's why I say that) but PRO? yes a team of AV not 1 man, 2 AV at least. since its a PRO HAV (Heavy Attack vehicle) I think so (Glass cannon tanks would be easier to destroy then other PRO still but normal role and HP role should take a team). yes in reality there are AV weapons that can take out tanks with 1 shot, and in other games that don`t have these balanced arguments have 3 shot kill tanks (with an RPG) but if you think that's the way for tanks then use the rest of the HP mechanics for the ifnrnatry 1-5 bullets kills to a normal/light unit. DUST514 uses a health bar (not trying to be rude here even though it comes out like that) system that takes longer to deplete so take the same consideration for the HAVs, yes it will take a team to destroy a PRO HAV at the current / average speed of a tankers encounter to die, 1 man to do it? sure but that's going to be a while.

Let's look at raw Proto Forge Guns (w/Operation skill). Remember that the charge time before each shot is a constant therefore Damage Per Second (DPS) remains the same regardless of number of shots fired.

Kaalakiota: 1584.0 damage, 3.5 (2.625) sec charge time. DPS = 452.571(603.429)
Ishukone Assault Forge Gun: 1663.2 damage, 2.5 (1.875) sec charge time. DPS = 665.28(887.04)
Wiyrkomi Breach Forge Gun: 2773.0 damage, 6 (4.5) second charge (immobilized) DPS = 462.167(616.222)

Now let's look at raw Proto Rail Turrets. Remember, large rail turret charges in .3 seconds and that is when it fires it's first shot. Following shots are at the 1.8/2.2 second refire rate. I'm going to figure DPS over two (three) shots as a supposed tanker swore up and down that a Proto Compressed Particle Cannon overheats on the third shot no exceptions, otherwise I'd figure it over four shots.

80GJ Regulated/Particle Cannon: 1438.9, .3 second spool, 1.8 second refire. DPS = 1370.381(1106.846)
80GJ Compressed Particle Cannon: 1798.7, .3 second spool, 2.2 second refire. DPS = 1438.96(1148.106)

So, the Large Rail Turrets outperform Proto Forge Guns in damage over time.

Most aren't considering the fact that Heavies turn slower than rail guns....

I am a complete noob.

I have not driven a vehicle, aerial or land, but I'm coming in here to give my worthless opinion so my Assault Rifle can still trump anyone on the battlefield.

In fact, I think vehicles need a nerf, including those OP dropships, because they are the only things in the game capable of flight, and a Gunnlogi can get more eHP than my Caldari Logi, which is completely wrong, the Logi Cal suit is in need of a serious buff. I'd also like to add speed bumps for LAVs, because I have been destroying newbs too much with my no skill weapon that I have lost all of my reflexes and situational awareness, because all I'm required to do is point and shoot when using my AR.

Please CCP, I thought this game was called AR 514?

Lol at forge cry thread.... you want to talk op? Av grenades bro..... solo ANY tank without any effort, skill or strategy....

Forge is fine, rail is fine, blaster is fine, tanks are UP against adv/proto av.

AR is the backbone of troopers.

that doesn`t make DSes OP

why am I even replying to this? lol

your numbers are wrong for the rail turrets you don't count the charge up time on the first shot just like in forges

Other notes:

- Limited, although large, ammo supply (or capacitor) for tank weps should be implemented
- For heavy suits it's far easier to fit Damage Modifiers. 2-3 is quite common as infantry role allows sacrificing HP tanking and still filling your role. HAVs cannot do this (with the exception of redline tanks which accept the fact they cannot dominate entire field and are suscepectible to OBs)
- The spool timer, holding the shot, repetitive shots, time between repetitive shots, heat buildup are all things that can be toyed with if needed. They are less radical ways of tweaking than hard values like range or alpha damage.
- Reload time for rail guns instead of heat? Both?

You process is wrong. Charge time before the first shot is a large factor in figuring DPS when comparing weapons, otherwise the numbers will not accurately reflect weapon performance.