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SHOOOOTER Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 49	Posted - 2013.06.15 17:02:00 - [1] - Quote We have been hearing this coming soon excuse way to long. Its basically an open ended disrespect to your customers. We understand you need time to get things done. Fine. But communicate with us! Give us a road map. The whole soon Tm thing was cute for the first year. But we are loosing people left and right its time to get rid of the whole soon excuse and talk with us please! How long for new maps. How long for proper PC? How long for hit detection to be fixed? No more soon excuses please!
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1711	Posted - 2013.06.15 17:07:00 - [2] - Quote Well hit detection was still bad in the most recent trailer so...
Dust Project 514 Dust Evo 514 18	Posted - 2013.06.15 17:08:00 - [3] - Quote Why is it that some gamers feel so entitled, that they can tell pubs/devs what to do with games, as if they are the ones funding what happens with the games?
steadyhand amarr Amarr Immortal Volunteers 699	Posted - 2013.06.15 17:17:00 - [4] - Quote We are not being entitled its the reality of market. If u can't keep up u need to gtfo. That's just the way it is. It might have worked for eve due to lack of compation but Dust514 has to fight with gaming worlds heavyweights and right now even as a free to play. People would rather pay 30 40 quid and play that instead. Tbh I'm nearly done with free to play. I would rather fork over cash and know I was getting a good game. And not a tech demo
Ansiiis The Trustworthy Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS. 73	Posted - 2013.06.15 17:19:00 - [5] - Quote SHOOOOTER wrote: We have been hearing this coming soon excuse way to long. Its basically an open ended disrespect to your customers. We understand you need time to get things done. Fine. But communicate with us! Give us a road map. The whole soon Tm thing was cute for the first year. But we are loosing people left and right its time to get rid of the whole soon excuse and talk with us please! How long for new maps. How long for proper PC? How long for hit detection to be fixed? No more soon excuses please! Where is this place called "long"? Is that some kind of benchmark til today? I am confused... Now that I'm done shaming your grammar. They confirmed the roadmap, why are you saying that we need one?
SHOOOOTER Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 49	Posted - 2013.06.15 17:20:00 - [6] - Quote Dust Project 514 wrote: Why is it that some gamers feel so entitled, that they can tell pubs/devs what to do with games, as if they are the ones funding what happens with the games? CCP will do it if/when they feel like it. They could just take you money and end the Dust 514 service and take it to PC. Because if we stop spending money on this game as a player base we do have a say. And what it says is this game s not worth spending money on anytime SOON!
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1713	Posted - 2013.06.15 17:26:00 - [7] - Quote Dust Project 514 wrote: Why is it that some gamers feel so entitled, that they can tell pubs/devs what to do with games, as if they are the ones funding what happens with the games? CCP will do it if/when they feel like it. They could just take you money and end the Dust 514 service and take it to PC. Hah! If Dust 514 moved to PC, it really would die. Hackers would have a field day just like any other F2P game before it.
PonyClause Rex TRAMADOL KNIGHTS 79	Posted - 2013.06.15 17:31:00 - [8] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Dust Project 514 wrote: Why is it that some gamers feel so entitled, that they can tell pubs/devs what to do with games, as if they are the ones funding what happens with the games? CCP will do it if/when they feel like it. They could just take you money and end the Dust 514 service and take it to PC. Hah! If Dust 514 moved to PC, it really would die. Hackers would have a field day just like any other F2P game before it. I think punk buster still exsists?
Panther Alpha Lone Wolf Going Solo 519	Posted - 2013.06.15 17:36:00 - [9] - Quote Dust Project 514 wrote: Why is it that some gamers feel so entitled, that they can tell pubs/devs what to do with games, as if they are the ones funding what happens with the games? CCP will do it if/when they feel like it. They could just take you money and end the Dust 514 service and take it to PC. Because Gamers plays Games...is that simple... that is why you have "Open Betas", so companies can collect Gamers feedback. For a Game to be successful, people have to PLAY that game.. Free To Play or not. Will be a Hollow victory for CCP, if they end up with a Game that no one plays ... even if they do it for no profit, or as a hobby, or as a side project from EvE.. Their reputation will be damage for ever, and their credibility as a gaming company destroy.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 5184	Posted - 2013.06.15 17:38:00 - [10] - Quote I am sorry but developers don't want to give you features that are half done. They also cannot update every day as desired so things have to be deployed a chunk at a time due to sony requirements. This is one requirement they cannot circumvent and also they cannot alleviate even if they go to another platform as PS4 likely still requires it, and as long as dust 514 is on a console platform going to pc is not going to fix this issue either because you cannot have two separate clients with features on one missing on the other. There is also internal testing that has to happen, things get real screwy if you deploy them without seeing what they do to the field.

Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 5184	Posted - 2013.06.15 17:39:00 - [11] - Quote PonyClause Rex wrote: Cosgar wrote: Dust Project 514 wrote: Why is it that some gamers feel so entitled, that they can tell pubs/devs what to do with games, as if they are the ones funding what happens with the games? CCP will do it if/when they feel like it. They could just take you money and end the Dust 514 service and take it to PC. Hah! If Dust 514 moved to PC, it really would die. Hackers would have a field day just like any other F2P game before it. I think punk buster still exsists? Doesn't work its been defeated quite often.
fenrir storm Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 348	Posted - 2013.06.15 17:42:00 - [12] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am sorry but developers don't want to give you features that are half done. Explain dust the game then. I'm sure it's a half finished product.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 624	Posted - 2013.06.15 17:42:00 - [13] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am sorry but developers don't want to give you features that are half done. They also cannot update every day as desired so things have to be deployed a chunk at a time due to sony requirements. This is one requirement they cannot circumvent and also they cannot alleviate even if they go to another platform as PS4 likely still requires it, and as long as dust 514 is on a console platform going to pc is not going to fix this issue either because you cannot have two separate clients with features on one missing on the other. There is also internal testing that has to happen, things get real screwy if you deploy them without seeing what they do to the field. then why did they drop uprising and PC in half done states on us.
SHOOOOTER Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 49	Posted - 2013.06.15 17:51:00 - [14] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am sorry but developers don't want to give you features that are half done. They also cannot update every day as desired so things have to be deployed a chunk at a time due to sony requirements. This is one requirement they cannot circumvent and also they cannot alleviate even if they go to another platform as PS4 likely still requires it, and as long as dust 514 is on a console platform going to pc is not going to fix this issue either because you cannot have two separate clients with features on one missing on the other. There is also internal testing that has to happen, things get real screwy if you deploy them without seeing what they do to the field. Wow just wow denial much or just a fan boy? This stuff should have been fixed a darn year ago, before beta was over! This is a commercial release and hit detection is junk. There is no player market there is no connection to eve. There is no communication to when any of this is coming and soon is just slap to the face that means maybe in a few years time this stuff will be fixed.....maybe Well my Money is in the mail you should expect it SOon Ccp.......
hooc order Deep Space Republic 354	Posted - 2013.06.15 17:56:00 - [15] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am sorry but developers don't want to give you features that are half done. They also cannot update every day as desired so things have to be deployed a chunk at a time due to sony requirements. This is one requirement they cannot circumvent and also they cannot alleviate even if they go to another platform as PS4 likely still requires it, and as long as dust 514 is on a console platform going to pc is not going to fix this issue either because you cannot have two separate clients with features on one missing on the other. There is also internal testing that has to happen, things get real screwy if you deploy them without seeing what they do to the field. Quote: They also cannot update every day as desired so things have to be deployed a chunk at a time due to sony requirements. Now this is compete BS. If this was even remotely a problem then CCP has a day at which they can release and would have back logged patches and features they could tell us about. In other words they could tell us what we are getting when. We are not told when and barely told what. You are making this BS up.
crazy space 1 Unkn0wn Killers 1354	Posted - 2013.06.15 18:41:00 - [16] - Quote Dust Project 514 wrote: Why is it that some gamers feel so entitled, that they can tell pubs/devs what to do with games, as if they are the ones funding what happens with the games? CCP will do it if/when they feel like it. They could just take you money and end the Dust 514 service and take it to PC. http://www.planetside2.com/roadmap God we are so entitled. It's not like other f2p FPS mmos do what the OP is saying for. CCP just really know how to run a game community, ima right?
crazy space 1 Unkn0wn Killers 1354	Posted - 2013.06.15 18:43:00 - [17] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am sorry but developers don't want to give you features that are half done. They also cannot update every day as desired so things have to be deployed a chunk at a time due to sony requirements. This is one requirement they cannot circumvent and also they cannot alleviate even if they go to another platform as PS4 likely still requires it, and as long as dust 514 is on a console platform going to pc is not going to fix this issue either because you cannot have two separate clients with features on one missing on the other. There is also internal testing that has to happen, things get real screwy if you deploy them without seeing what they do to the field. But PS2 is going to be on PS4 and it gets a 6 month roadmap at all times, so what the hell is CCPs excuse?
Derek Shonnesey Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.06.15 18:54:00 - [18] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am sorry but developers don't want to give you features that are half done. They also cannot update every day as desired so things have to be deployed a chunk at a time due to sony requirements. This is one requirement they cannot circumvent and also they cannot alleviate even if they go to another platform as PS4 likely still requires it, and as long as dust 514 is on a console platform going to pc is not going to fix this issue either because you cannot have two separate clients with features on one missing on the other. There is also internal testing that has to happen, things get real screwy if you deploy them without seeing what they do to the field. Are you Insane? CCP actually stated in the last 2 fanfest that they "created systems to put in place" meaning they were half done placeholders awaiting further tweeking/reworking in which they have been doin in the last few builds. Reworking and tweeking systems is what there doing. So how can you say the game isn't half baked while the systems are getting reworked constantly? They even said the driving modules were "Not good" and were planning to rework soonGäó. Seriously WTF are you smokin?
Richard Sebire Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 37	Posted - 2013.06.15 19:57:00 - [19] - Quote I've just finished watching the CCP Video from E3, and it seems like CCP's idea of SoonGäó is a decade. The way they where going on about the first and second decade was quite disheartening. I think SoonGäó in Dust 514 could be a way of saying another decade latter. WTF
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 589	Posted - 2013.06.15 20:07:00 - [20] - Quote I get some of this same non-comprehension from management at work. I'm in the computing field and people think creating something new and complex is like filling in boxes in a spreadsheet. Sorry, creativity takes time. Inspiration as to strike. You try out the idea. Maybe it works. Maybe it doesn't. It's not like you can draw a straight line on a calendar and simply declare when new capabilities will be done and worthy of release. Some of you need to grow up and develop some patience. The world moves at the pace it does... no matter how fast you want it to go.

Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 5192	Posted - 2013.06.15 20:16:00 - [21] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: Dust Project 514 wrote: Why is it that some gamers feel so entitled, that they can tell pubs/devs what to do with games, as if they are the ones funding what happens with the games? CCP will do it if/when they feel like it. They could just take you money and end the Dust 514 service and take it to PC. http://www.planetside2.com/roadmap God we are so entitled. It's not like other f2p FPS mmos do what the OP is saying for. CCP just really know how to run a game community, ima right? 75% of that road map was trashed in favor for MLG design.
SHOOOOTER Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 50	Posted - 2013.06.15 20:16:00 - [22] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: I get some of this same non-comprehension from management at work. I'm in the computing field and people think creating something new and complex is like filling in boxes in a spreadsheet. Sorry, creativity takes time. Inspiration as to strike. You try out the idea. Maybe it works. Maybe it doesn't. It's not like you can draw a straight line on a calendar and simply declare when new capabilities will be done and worthy of release. Some of you need to grow up and develop some patience. The world moves at the pace it does... no matter how fast you want it to go. I also work in the real world and if I told my home buyers that their house would be built soon and not give them a reasonable date for completion guess how long I would stay in business? If ccp wants to be artists wait for inspiration to strike then they have no business realising this game. For a business to stay in business they most definetly have to work on a timeline. I want this game to succeed the truth is its loosing die hard players that have been here since the beginning. I was buying a merc back every few weeks, now I don't care Look at major corps walking away from PC , look at the forums people are highly dissapointed with the non existent timeline and failed promises and patronizing. SOON BS.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 589	Posted - 2013.06.15 20:25:00 - [23] - Quote SHOOOOTER wrote: I also work in the real world and if I told my home buyers that their house would be built soon and not give them a reasonable date for completion guess how long I would stay in business? If ccp wants to be artists wait for inspiration to strike then they have no business realising this game. For a business to stay in business they most definetly have to work on a timeline. I want this game to succeed the truth is its loosing die hard players that have been here since the beginning. I was buying a merc back every few weeks, now I don't care Look at major corps walking away from PC , look at the forums people are highly dissapointed with the non existent timeline and failed promises and patronizing. SOON BS. Custom software development is not simply an exercise of spending time at the keyboard. No amount of whining and complaining will accomplish anything -- except make sure that CCP never bothers to provide us with estimates.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 5192	Posted - 2013.06.15 20:31:00 - [24] - Quote Well I am not trying to sell myself a completed game of next decade; today. The studio itself is self developing and learning its own lessons while still managing to deliver new aspects of the game to you guys as early as feasibly possible. Sometimes the early as possible gets in the way again in the future when they have to redesign it. The studio will get better at content delivery, content generation, and feature planning. This is not a well versed studio making this game and they're experiencing just as much growing pains as the game itself is. This is not Dice or Zipper or SOE the maker of dozens of games, this is a studio that has only 2 games made in the past one of which is a board game. This specific studio is a whole mash bag of different developers from different backgrounds and the game on current engine is not that very old overall. Yes Dust 514 has been in the works for for years but most of it has been theory testing and crafting. Things like 'can we really shoot a planet from eve and it translates into another game?' CCP is trying to not create a massive 'technical' debt with current ingame features. There is already a massive 'development wishlist debt' still unpaid off and there is no need to increase that much further than necessary. There are quite a few features that unfortunately throwing more developers at is not going to get them done quicker either, for example you only need one guy to manage the balancing, having 3 guys in charge results in far worse balance table as they all go different directions. There are also features they do need more devs in but only have so many experienced in that area that they cannot do everything at once. For example the guy in charge of Factional Warfare, is also in charge of planetary conquest, is also in charge of player to player interactivity. He has to manage his projects carefully in a manner that works best with all the other teams he works with and he does a crap ton of theory crafting on his end on how players would play out in the board game. He's a nice guy to talk to nonetheless as long as you don't steal his shoes. Unfortunately Soon(tm) is the only answer any developer can give you when the feature they're working on is not yet done or tested yet. While I have a very good idea what the game is going to look like 10 years from now, I cannot tell you which of those features you are going to to get in what order. And those I see coming up in the next few months I am not allowed to tell you guys anything about those until a dev spills the beans. There should be a new dev blog and podcast on the horizon though involving 1.2 Uprising.
The Attorney General ZionTCD 82	Posted - 2013.06.15 20:34:00 - [25] - Quote Crash monster, if CCP doesn't start releasing estimates, the community will leave. If CCP wants us to putting money back in their pockets, they need to produce more. I know I won't give CCP anything until they shape up. I am not alone in that. Many of the people who regularly purchased aurum have ceased since Uprising stand up the place. If CCP chooses to keep us in the dark, the can enjoy reduced revenues because of it.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 589	Posted - 2013.06.15 20:44:00 - [26] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Crash monster, if CCP doesn't start releasing estimates, the community will leave. If CCP wants us to putting money back in their pockets, they need to produce more. I know I won't give CCP anything until they shape up. I am not alone in that. Many of the people who regularly purchased aurum have ceased since Uprising stand up the place. If CCP chooses to keep us in the dark, the can enjoy reduced revenues because of it. I don't think it matters what CCP does. Even if they ask us what we want, as they do, they get a 50-50 split that has half the community blaming the other for the ills of the world and then threatening to walk. Trust me, if CCP could deliver every desired feature and fix every flaw tomorrow, I'm sure they would. CCP knows, I assume as I'm not privy to any inside details, what they want to build. They have put some quantity of developers into the mix, and they are working on things. They had our help testing it but they don't owe us anything. We didn't end up part owners though there is obviously a lot of emotional investment from some folks who must have found out they aren't all that special -- they are just players like everyone else -- now that the game is no longer in beta. I don't care if you do or don't spend money on things. Nobody is twisting your arm or forcing you to do so. Again, nobody owes us anything... we are free to play, or not, just as we are free to pay, or not. Perhaps people can just make their choice without all the threats and whining? I won't hold my breath.
cedz636 ILL OM3NS 10	Posted - 2013.06.15 20:56:00 - [27] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: I get some of this same non-comprehension from management at work. I'm in the computing field and people think creating something new and complex is like filling in boxes in a spreadsheet. Sorry, creativity takes time. Inspiration has to strike. You try out the idea. Maybe it works. Maybe it doesn't. It's not like you can draw a straight line on a calendar and simply declare when new capabilities will be done and worthy of release. People make estimates for a reason... Some of you need to grow up and develop some patience. The world moves at the pace it does... no matter how fast you want it to go. We have been more than patient...the problem lies with the lack of communication. The vague, non-factual reply from CPM is proof of this. Patience only goes so far and can be tolerated so much when, as a fan base, we are left out of the loop (what little fan base Dust 514 has already without issues like this turning more and more players away every day). Me? I'll remain patient...Dust 514 is a good game, and it has the potential of being a great game, but I somehow feel I'm patiently awaiting the release of PS2 and Destiny on PS4 rather than the devs to pull this game up to even par. I speak for a lot of people when I say we're still gonna play, and wait, and play, and wait some more, but If CCP doesn't get with the program, I'm gone when the PS4 drops those titles. I mean come on...how hard is it to give us a roadmap of where Dust is going? It leads me to believe there isn't one, and the half-a$$ replies by CPMs and DEVs all over this forum support this theory.
cedz636 ILL OM3NS 10	Posted - 2013.06.15 21:00:00 - [28] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: There should be a new dev blog and podcast on the horizon though involving 1.2 Uprising. That's a start
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 590	Posted - 2013.06.15 21:06:00 - [29] - Quote cedz636 wrote: We have been more than patient...the problem lies with the lack of communication. The vague, non-factual reply from CPM is proof of this. Patience only goes so far and can be tolerated so much when, as a fan base, we are left out of the loop (what little fan base Dust 514 has already without issues like this turning more and more players away every day). Me? I'll remain patient...Dust 514 is a good game, and it has the potential of being a great game, but I somehow feel I'm patiently awaiting the release of PS2 and Destiny on PS4 rather than the devs to pull this game up to even par. I speak for a lot of people when I say we're still gonna play, and wait, and play, and wait some more, but If CCP doesn't get with the program, I'm gone when the PS4 drops those titles. I mean come on...how hard is it to give us a roadmap of where Dust is going? It leads me to believe there isn't one, and the half-a$$ replies by CPMs and DEVs all over this forum support this theory. I don't think the CPM is meant for information to travel from CCP to us... it's more to help get information from us to CCP. For some reason they seem to catch hell for a lot that really has nothing to do with them. There are all kinds of known destinations on the roadmap... such as a player market, full racial suits, more weapons, some type of PVE, bigger maps with more concurrent players, and so on. The time frame... I've never seen one. As I said on another thread... I still have fun. If that stops I'll take a break. It's that simple.
Devil Music Intara Direct Action Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.06.15 21:12:00 - [30] - Quote Its not so bad guys. Other games will be out soon, but the real soon, not some company standard SOON. dust is free it will keep you busy until the guys that are serious about making games can launch good stuff.

FoxFour Failed Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.06.15 21:15:00 - [31] - Quote Quit feeding crash monster the fanboi, he has 0 vallidity. He is in a 30 foot hole digging to china, same boat as IWS for that matter. VOTE WITH YOUR WALLET!!!!!
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 591	Posted - 2013.06.15 21:21:00 - [32] - Quote FoxFour Failed wrote: Quit feeding crash monster the fanboi, he has 0 vallidity. He is in a 30 foot hole digging to china, same boat as IWS for that matter. VOTE WITH YOUR WALLET!!!!! I don't know... since I am in the software industry I think I have more validity than a group of whiny teens who feel entitled to something and whine constantly about it. More seriously, you really think you can argue with the "if you don't have fun take a break" concept?
Dao Ferret BetaMax. CRONOS. 30	Posted - 2013.06.15 21:43:00 - [33] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: cedz636 wrote: We have been more than patient...the problem lies with the lack of communication. The vague, non-factual reply from CPM is proof of this. Patience only goes so far and can be tolerated so much when, as a fan base, we are left out of the loop (what little fan base Dust 514 has already without issues like this turning more and more players away every day). Me? I'll remain patient...Dust 514 is a good game, and it has the potential of being a great game, but I somehow feel I'm patiently awaiting the release of PS2 and Destiny on PS4 rather than the devs to pull this game up to even par. I speak for a lot of people when I say we're still gonna play, and wait, and play, and wait some more, but If CCP doesn't get with the program, I'm gone when the PS4 drops those titles. I mean come on...how hard is it to give us a roadmap of where Dust is going? It leads me to believe there isn't one, and the half-a$$ replies by CPMs and DEVs all over this forum support this theory. I don't think the CPM is meant for information to travel from CCP to us... it's more to help get information from us to CCP. For some reason they seem to catch hell for a lot that really has nothing to do with them. There are all kinds of known destinations on the roadmap... such as a player market, full racial suits, more weapons, some type of PVE, bigger maps with more concurrent players, and so on. The time frame... I've never seen one. As I said on another thread... I still have fun. If that stops I'll take a break. It's that simple. Bluntly I agree with this 100%. Lots of people seem to complain that "the CPM never tells us anything". Guess what folks? They CAN'T. I don't mean they don't want to, I mean they have signed NDAs (Non-Disclosure Agreements), with CCP. This is standard practice before ANY software company will show you things they haven't released to the public (all of us), and is necessary for the CPM to be able to comment on the features and help provide feedback. Until and unless CCP releases information to the public, either through a press release, or a dev talking about it, the CPM can't say squat, even if they know the feature is about to be released tomorrow.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 5197	Posted - 2013.06.15 22:19:00 - [34] - Quote Correct, because of the NDA there are things the CPM has seen but cannot share yet. There are some things though that we the CPM are expressing with CCP about things that are easy 'wins' with information that should reach you guys in various forms such as dev blogs and the sorts. One Dev blog is coming really soon featuring some neat things in 1.2. While CCP is still building up the studio the CPM is trying to help involve CCP into communications more when its reasonable, feasible, healthy, and most importantly useful. Telling us about destroyer HAVs and Bomber Dropships don't really help you guys that much. Getting them to tell you about the design goals behind the new plates, and the stats associated with them and asking for early feedback is much better use of CCP's communication routes. But thats the difference between marketing, directors, and developers. Because I have had plenty of chances to talk to CCP I can understand why some processes are taking longer than you guys are expecting. For example did you know they had to REDO every map for Uprising? Even though the maps themselves did not change they had to redo the terrain because the older maps were not future proofed and had to be rebuilt for the newer tech in its uses. There also been things on the road map CCP has put together that had to be scrapped because the realization of the tech is not feasible. Some things are on wishlist because they is no clear plan on reaching those goals and the things that are on the roadmap have prerequisites to be built beforehand. Dust 514 was once upon a time on a roadmap itself, Eve Online Planetary Action Phase 3. That was listed 10 years ago. Phase 1 Flying over planets (scrapped) Phase 2 Building Colonies (Currently Planetary Interaction) Phase 3 Ground level combat (Work in progresses) So in technicality Dust 514 development is about 11 years old just the tech for its possibility has been built backbone wise and its slowly growing into its own.
crazy space 1 Unkn0wn Killers 1357	Posted - 2013.06.15 23:00:00 - [35] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: It's not like you can draw a straight line on a calendar and simply declare when new capabilities will be done and worthy of release. People make estimates for a reason... . um.... http://www.planetside2.com/roadmap Sure you can
cedz636 ILL OM3NS 12	Posted - 2013.06.15 23:01:00 - [36] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am sorry but developers don't want to give you features that are half done. Then don't try to sell me on the devs not wanting to communicate with us. When Dust 514 released, and especially after Uprising, it still felt like it was in it's beta stages. The devs should WANT to keep us in the loop, not necessarily about new content...we can all wait for that...but about more important issues like glitches and weapons being ridiculously UP now (the MD for example). The whole purpose behind closed/open betas are to fix bugs and get feedback from players. They chose to release a title to the public that was not complete and then they hide behind their NDA's so they don't have to apologize for releasing a patch that was inferior to the original release. New content and when it's coming out is not the issue here. Maybe a roadmap is just not in CCPs best interest. Sure, the CPMs might know something but can't say. I totally understand and respect that, but when it comes to actual game mechanics, the devs should be more up front with what they are doing about it. I didn't mean the CPMs should inform us if future patch contents, but I believe they should inform us of fixes that are or are not in progress. It would seriously cut down on a lot of threads like this.
cedz636 ILL OM3NS 12	Posted - 2013.06.15 23:03:00 - [37] - Quote cedz636 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am sorry but developers don't want to give you features that are half done. Then don't try to sell me on the devs not wanting to communicate with us. When Dust 514 released, and especially after Uprising, it still felt like it was in it's beta stages. The devs should WANT to keep us in the loop, not necessarily about new content...we can all wait for that...but about more important issues like glitches and weapons being ridiculously UP now (the MD for example). The whole purpose behind closed/open betas are to fix bugs and get feedback from players. They chose to release a title to the public that was not complete and then they hide behind their NDA's so they don't have to apologize for releasing a patch that was inferior to the original release. New content and when it's coming out is not the issue here. Maybe a roadmap is just not in CCPs best interest. Sure, the CPMs might know something but can't say. I totally understand and respect that, but when it comes to actual game mechanics, the devs should be more up front with what they are doing about it. I didn't mean the CPMs should inform us of future patch contents and their release dates, but I believe they should inform us of fixes that are or are not in progress. It would seriously cut down on a lot of threads like this.
cedz636 ILL OM3NS 12	Posted - 2013.06.15 23:04:00 - [38] - Quote cedz636 wrote: cedz636 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am sorry but developers don't want to give you features that are half done. Then don't try to sell me on the devs not wanting to communicate with us. When Dust 514 released, and especially after Uprising, it still felt like it was in it's beta stages. The devs should WANT to keep us in the loop, not necessarily about new content...we can all wait for that...but about more important issues like glitches and weapons being ridiculously UP now (the MD for example). The whole purpose behind closed/open betas are to fix bugs and get feedback from players. They chose to release a title to the public that was not complete and then they hide behind their NDA's so they don't have to apologize for releasing a patch that was inferior to the original release. New content and when it's coming out is not the issue here. Maybe a roadmap is just not in CCPs best interest. Sure, the CPMs might know something but can't say. I totally understand and respect that, but when it comes to actual game mechanics, the devs should be more up front with what they are doing about it. I didn't mean the CPMs should inform us of future patch contents and their release dates, but I believe they should inform us of fixes that are or are not in progress. It would seriously cut down on a lot of threads like this.
Pubbie Scrublord Tackled In Belt xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx 10	Posted - 2013.06.15 23:04:00 - [39] - Quote You guys didn't see? Mintchip posted a really big, informative Dev Blog that helps air out all these concerns and issues.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 597	Posted - 2013.06.15 23:04:00 - [40] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: Crash Monster wrote: It's not like you can draw a straight line on a calendar and simply declare when new capabilities will be done and worthy of release. People make estimates for a reason... . um.... http://www.planetside2.com/roadmap Sure you can So far I see a fancy interface. I also see something that is not new... in that they are building on their own prior work. Feel free to grab a chunk of my text but miss the point.

crazy space 1 Unkn0wn Killers 1357	Posted - 2013.06.15 23:06:00 - [41] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: crazy space 1 wrote: Dust Project 514 wrote: Why is it that some gamers feel so entitled, that they can tell pubs/devs what to do with games, as if they are the ones funding what happens with the games? CCP will do it if/when they feel like it. They could just take you money and end the Dust 514 service and take it to PC. http://www.planetside2.com/roadmap God we are so entitled. It's not like other f2p FPS mmos do what the OP is saying for. CCP just really know how to run a game community, ima right? 75% of that road map was trashed in favor for MLG design. Ok, 1st of all, no. Those are all still being planned.... it's not july/agust/September yet... What you are talking about is how many of those features were panned for 3-9 months ago, but were pushed back due to MLG. However, no one got super mad, they were happy that the company was being transparent about what was going on. You are trying to argue that because they didn't do every single feature they allowed for community feedback on, they shouldn't of told the community their plans AT ALL. When the whole dust cmmunity is raging to get told whats ging on, even if features get canned or delays. Becuase we want to see whats happening, and we want to give some *****ING FEEDBACK before they shove it into the game without testing it. Also the 25% of features that did make it in made it in based on what the players voted highest on the list. People were like, yeah, ok, you can take away and delay 75% of the content you planned on and gave us dates, just hey, thanks for letting us have a say on what 25% got to stay in. You're a joke and I look forward to crushing you at reelection. the Scout LAV was released with no requests, no timeline, no preview, no feedback. AND IT SUCKS. dust is digging it's own grave vote me for me, vote for a shovel. WOW, a CPM member basically saying "Transparency is bad" You make me sick. Seriously, not even a day of beta testing for Planetary conquest? I MEAN REALLY? PS2 didn't just trash the plan without telling the community. I love when CCP chooses to cancel content the day before launch with zero headups. Oh yeah, I love being treated that way.
crazy space 1 Unkn0wn Killers 1357	Posted - 2013.06.15 23:14:00 - [42] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Well I am not trying to sell myself a completed game of next decade; today. Ok then, that can be your campaign slogan. Mine on the other hand is going to be Trying to sell you what dust will be in 2 months, today. Because 2 months od roadmaps is not unreasonable. AT ALL. In fact by staying to nothing they promise, CCP has most likely thrown away like 70% of the work they have done. What a waste. And to think this year their new corporate slogan is "focus" FOCUS, Riiiiiiiight. The only way they can't give us a 2 month roadmap would be because they don't even know what they will be working on in a month. It shows us they have no plan and don't want any player feedback. If the next july update comes out without a single step to get playerfeed back on the features and changes before patch day, people are going to leave this game in droves. Not because it's bad, but because there is no investment in the customer base.
Bubbles moon Algintal Core Gallente Federation 23	Posted - 2013.06.15 23:16:00 - [43] - Quote cedz636 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: There should be a new dev blog and podcast on the horizon though involving 1.2 Uprising. That's a start Hmmmm, you mean just like the last 15 dev blogs that were never released? psftt Dust 514, the greatest sandbox mmo ever made, you know, sometime on the horizon at least. Also why is "the horizon" only 2 weeks away? That's not a horizon! **** YOU IRON WOLF SABER
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 599	Posted - 2013.06.15 23:19:00 - [44] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: You are trying to argue that because they didn't do every single feature they allowed for community feedback on, they shouldn't of told the community their plans AT ALL. When the whole dust cmmunity is raging to get told whats ging on, even if features get canned or delays. Becuase we want to see whats happening, and we want to give some *****ING FEEDBACK before they shove it into the game without testing it. Maybe the dust community needs to realize that they aren't on the inside any more. They are not beta testers and they aren't going to have the same relationship with CCP that they used to. I don't intend any insult... but things have moved past that stage now (whether or not you or I think it should have). This is CCP's baby, not ours, let go of it.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 599	Posted - 2013.06.15 23:20:00 - [45] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: FOCUS, Riiiiiiiight. The only way they can't give us a 2 month roadmap would be because they don't even know what they will be working on in a month. It shows us they have no plan and don't want any player feedback. The butthurt is strong in this one.
crazy space 1 Unkn0wn Killers 1357	Posted - 2013.06.15 23:24:00 - [46] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: crazy space 1 wrote: You are trying to argue that because they didn't do every single feature they allowed for community feedback on, they shouldn't of told the community their plans AT ALL. When the whole dust cmmunity is raging to get told whats ging on, even if features get canned or delays. Becuase we want to see whats happening, and we want to give some ***ING FEEDBACK before they shove it into the game without testing it. Maybe the dust community needs to realize that they aren't on the inside any more. They are not beta testers and they aren't going to have the same relationship with CCP that they used to. I don't intend any insult... but things have moved past that stage now (whether or not you or I think it should have). This is CCP's baby, not ours, let go of it. 1st off we got 6 months of black out during beta that ended with a release that we had no idea about. So yeah, NO ** THAT. 2nd, PS2, guildwars2, WoW, Starcraft2, Eve online, all keep their customers in the loop after beta. with advanced warning 1-2 months in advanced in order to take in player feedback. And finally, you sound like someone with an abusive relationship. http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/ http://www.planetside2.com/roadmap http://www.zam.com/story.html?story=27679 world of tanks Even Sim City keeps it's playerbase more in the loop than CCP does.
crazy space 1 Unkn0wn Killers 1357	Posted - 2013.06.15 23:27:00 - [47] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: crazy space 1 wrote: FOCUS, Riiiiiiiight. The only way they can't give us a 2 month roadmap would be because they don't even know what they will be working on in a month. It shows us they have no plan and don't want any player feedback. The butthurt is strong in this one. Yeah that's the point. Good job , now try keeping up. unlike most people I've been here for 9 years I'm not going anywhere until everyone else leaves. I'll spend every last moment trying to make dust a game people will continue to play. What's your plan. You sound just like people who were saying "Oh people shouldn't be mad that incarna is a single Minmatar room in every racial station, people are sooooo butt hurt" Releases patches with ZERO HEADS UP, should hurt your butt too. If your butt doesn't hurt, go visit a doctor.
cedz636 ILL OM3NS 13	Posted - 2013.06.15 23:33:00 - [48] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: [quote=crazy space 1] I don't intend any insult... but things have moved past that stage now (whether or not you or I think it should have). This is CCP's baby, not ours, let go of it. Actually, like any other form of art and entertainment, once it's released it becomes the public's baby. Sure CCP pioneered the idea and made it happen, but we are the blood that keeps it this baby alive. CCP are now the maintenance men and window washers, there to keep things polished and working nicely. Nobody likes dead babies.
PlanetsideTwo F2P2013PS4 Shining Flame Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2013.06.15 23:55:00 - [49] - Quote It takes time when you only have a 28 man team. Confirmed over 200 people developing Planetside 2 with dedicated servers
cedz636 ILL OM3NS 15	Posted - 2013.06.16 00:03:00 - [50] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: [quote=Crash Monster][quote=crazy space 1] Releases patches with ZERO HEADS UP, should hurt your butt too. If your butt doesn't hurt, go visit a doctor. Or you just got of prison and you're still used to it.

crazy space 1 Unkn0wn Killers 1358	Posted - 2013.06.16 00:06:00 - [51] - Quote cedz636 wrote: Crash Monster wrote: I don't intend any insult... but things have moved past that stage now (whether or not you or I think it should have). This is CCP's baby, not ours, let go of it. Actually, like any other form of art and entertainment, once it's released it becomes the public's baby. Sure CCP pioneered the idea and made it happen, but we are the blood that keeps it this baby alive. CCP are now the maintenance men and window washers, there to keep things polished and working nicely. Nobody likes dead babies. If anything normally a BETA has less player input because development can change directions in a moment. Once it's released player feedback and communication increase.... PlanetsideTwo F2P2013PS4 wrote: It takes time when you only have a 28 man team. Confirmed over 200 people developing Planetside 2 with dedicated servers dust has 100+ devs When eve online had 12 devs they still kept in communication with over 100 blogs a year on average since the games beta.
crazy space 1 Unkn0wn Killers 1358	Posted - 2013.06.16 00:07:00 - [52] - Quote sry
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 607	Posted - 2013.06.16 00:11:00 - [53] - Quote LOL, have you guys listened to yourselves. You think CCP has to touch base with you on everything? Sure, it would be nice, but they don't have to do jack **. I don't care if CCP ever tells me they are releasing patches or not. The game will change. I'll adapt. If I get pissed I'll leave instead of throwing * all about the forum like a primate. When you get to the point that you think YOUR comments and advice are the only thing that can save CCP you are very **ing deluded. Me, I know I'm nobody. I'm playing the game because the current issues don't stop me from having fun. Well, when the server is up anyway. Yes, I'm also aware of all the "customer is always right" and "listen to the customer" baloney. This is CCP. I expect they'll tough it out while you cryhards empty your bowels here daily... put out new content and fix glitches and things over time... and many of us will be happy to play even if the game doesn't get your certificate of approval. Hey, I just figured why some of the cryhards don't leave... their egos are so inflated they can't get out the door.
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 606	Posted - 2013.06.16 00:13:00 - [54] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am sorry but developers don't want to give you features that are half done. And yet...
crazy space 1 Unkn0wn Killers 1358	Posted - 2013.06.16 00:14:00 - [55] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: LOL, have you guys listened to yourselves. You think CCP has to touch base with you on everything? Sure, it would be nice, but they don't have to do jack ****. I don't care if CCP ever tells me they are releasing patches or not. SUCK IT http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/archive/2003/ http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/archive/2004/ http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/archive/2005/ http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/archive/2006/ http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/archive/2007/ http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/archive/2008/ http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/archive/2009/ http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/archive/2010/ http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/archive/2011/ http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/archive/2012/ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=271 So yeah, I have come to expect CCP to touch base with it's customers in order to improve the game and get player feedback before a feature is release. In fact, you can even play the new Eve Online expansion on the test server over 1-2 months before an expansion hits. You SHOULD care.
spoony moon Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 19	Posted - 2013.06.16 00:15:00 - [56] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am sorry but developers don't want to give you features that are half done. And yet... EXACTLY
Brutus Va'Khan Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 18	Posted - 2013.06.16 00:24:00 - [57] - Quote This game should have never left beta IMO. At least the fanboys would have a better excuse to fall on.
fenrir storm Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 350	Posted - 2013.06.16 10:56:00 - [58] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: I get some of this same non-comprehension from management at work. I'm in the computing field and people think creating something new and complex is like filling in boxes in a spreadsheet. Sorry, creativity takes time. Inspiration has to strike. You try out the idea. Maybe it works. Maybe it doesn't. It's not like you can draw a straight line on a calendar and simply declare when new capabilities will be done and worthy of release. People make estimates for a reason... Some of you need to grow up and develop some patience. The world moves at the pace it does... no matter how fast you want it to go. We had patience in beta and told them of issues bugs balance and nothing got fixed , the inspiration you talk about takes longer than 6 years to come to fruition ? CCp were told in beta the game was just not good enough or ready with features missing and we were told it would all be sorted "SOON" But they released any way and now you have this situation were players are wondering where most of the basic stuff is and what is there dosnt work, Communication would go some way to alleviate some of the discord that is present on the forums but since day 1 this has been one of the worst games I have ever been involved in testing and through it's so called release for the devs to pass on information To be quite honest I think the task is beyond CCP and I think it's time they though about out sourcing most of the work to an indie dev (thats if any would touch this mediocre product) and let them help to try to sort out dust.
Shion Typhon Intara Direct Action Caldari State 54	Posted - 2013.06.16 12:50:00 - [59] - Quote Dust Project 514 wrote: that they can tell pubs/devs what to do with games, as if they are the ones funding what happens with the games? Hahahaha, OMG .... Wait ... not sure if srs ...
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 626	Posted - 2013.06.16 12:55:00 - [60] - Quote I've said it a million times... but if and when I stop having fun I'll stop playing. Short of that, this is a free to play game... so they owe me absolutely nothing. Strangely, that makes it hard for me to be upset about what they do. Try it... if you let go of your expectations it's a lot harder to be butthurt by reality when it arrives.

Shion Typhon Intara Direct Action Caldari State 55	Posted - 2013.06.16 13:07:00 - [61] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Unfortunately Soon(tm) is the only answer any developer can give you when the feature they're working on is not yet done or tested yet. While I have a very good idea what the game is going to look like 10 years from now, I cannot tell you which of those features you are going to to get in what order. Well that's a pretty big problem. How big an issue can it be for us to get a project prioritisation map? There is a difference between "Soon" and a reasonably elastic project map with reasonably accurate approximations. It doesn't have to be perfect but it does need to be truthful. I know a lot of people here want all sorts of things added to the game but I can wait for that stuff, I really can. I don't care if it takes another year to get bombers or PVE or whatever into the game. However, if 1.2 doesn't fix basic primary problems with the mechanics of gunplay and movement and matchmaking I'm gone. There is no point spending 1 more second of my free entertainment time (let alone $'s) on the game instead of the other 20 FPSs sitting on my shelf or Steam Library. Now, for each person, the list of whatever burns them is different so we REALLY REALLY need a roadmap of prioritised issues so each person can decide, based on what is important to him, whether he stays or goes. If I need to afk for 6 months before the issues I hate get resolved, I want to know now and I can save CCP and Sony some bandwith and myself some time and frustration.
MetalWolf-Cell ROGUE SPADES EoN. 3	Posted - 2013.06.16 13:51:00 - [62] - Quote I wish there was some kind of information they can give us but at the same time....CPMs can't. As he said in his post, he signed an NDA, he cannot give any information regarding issues unless a DEV speaks of it or permission (if that's how it goes). Though I am sure he is willing to do it, but does not want to breach that contract, and get in serious trouble. And I am not a software developer of any kind, just a gamer. But I have a lot of tech friends and some family members who work in these kinds of fields (you don't have to believe me if you don't want to, people say these things) and from my experience, there is no simplicity in the field, nor remotely any leeway. Either do it perfectly as meant to be, or you screw up, and possibly have to do it all over. It is a very tedious and annoying job to deal with. So i am sure DEVs are having a painstakingly hard time dealing with these matters as Iron Wolf Saber described, they are also relatively new to these things as well, and I am just happy they are at least still dishing out information here and there and giving updates every few months, because I know the issues and the insides on what happens in companies, and there is intel that is best left inside the company offices. If you read my topic yesterday, you would know that I personally believe that due to the constant banter on CCP to their job in the comunnity's manner and not their own manner, most likely leaves them distraught on even responding to us, due to not feeling welcome at all. I understand this though, that some have been here for a year on end, even two years. But CCP is notorious for being slow developers that do not rush (you should hear about Iceland, people have a lot of breaks there from their jobs). They tend to do things on their own time, which is time consuming, but if I have to compare to EVE with its constant bantering, poor reviews, and horrible content, and still made a comeback with being a victorious MMO. Again this just me personally as to why CCP may not like commentating, because of the harsh demeanor some players put out, which I could see that they do love the game and want it to genuinely grow fast as other developers are working on next-gen games, But putting hate is not going to speed up the process. I am no "fan boy" at all either, just a casual gamer who likes to play games, and I like this game so I play it. I am satisfied that they bothered to put up Uprising. With all of the negativity, they could have just done absolutely nothing and left it in chromosome, which would have led to lost of investments and angry players, including waste of content and precious needed time. so asking with all politeness and good heart as I am, to just relax. things are not that bad, could have been worse than you imagine, and be happy that they did listen to players, even though not to your liking, I mean hey FoxFour is talking about improving PC on his post and things about MD; he responded as needed. Though things are slow, things are getting done without responses, and here I rest.
JonnyAugust Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 247	Posted - 2013.06.16 13:53:00 - [63] - Quote Dust Project 514 wrote: Why is it that some gamers feel so entitled, that they can tell pubs/devs what to do with games, as if they are the ones funding what happens with the games? CCP will do it if/when they feel like it. They could just take you money and end the Dust 514 service and take it to PC. lol, let them. We'll be gone. Have fun playing by yourself since you were the one guy that decided he was going to stick it out for an inferior product that will take 6 years to be fun. Have fun wasting your life bud.
Planetside2 SchitsonDust Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.06.16 16:51:00 - [64] - Quote Yeah it has gone too far, borderline lying
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 628	Posted - 2013.06.16 16:55:00 - [65] - Quote Planetside2 SchitsonDust wrote: Yeah it has gone too far, borderline lying Ahahahaha... I recognize who's alt you must be. Not done complaining/promoting yet?
DustisDoomed Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.06.16 17:36:00 - [66] - Quote new players watch please for your own good Vets voicing their opinions
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 630	Posted - 2013.06.16 17:50:00 - [67] - Quote Oh man, when are you whiny losers going to take your butthurt saggy arses over to some other game so you can go ruin everyone's (forum) fun over there?
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1747	Posted - 2013.06.16 18:07:00 - [68] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: Crash Monster wrote: LOL, have you guys listened to yourselves. You think CCP has to touch base with you on everything? Sure, it would be nice, but they don't have to do jack ****. I don't care if CCP ever tells me they are releasing patches or not. SUCK IT http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/archive/2003/ http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/archive/2004/ http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/archive/2005/ http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/archive/2006/ http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/archive/2007/ http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/archive/2008/ http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/archive/2009/ http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/archive/2010/ http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/archive/2011/ http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/archive/2012/ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=271 So yeah, I have come to expect CCP to touch base with it's customers in order to improve the game and get player feedback before a feature is release. In fact, you can even play the new Eve Online expansion on the test server over 1-2 months before an expansion hits. You SHOULD care. Seeing EVE's dev blogs just shows how much effort is going into this game right now. Dust 514 feels like a hobby and a commercial for EVE Online at best. They said they wanted as much EVE and Dust involvement as possible, reneged on that by adding the warbarge in PC and saying that they want Dust both games to stand on their own, but the truth is Dust can't even stand on its own two legs without EVE or anything to make it an actual MMO. I looked at Destiny and even FFXIV and looked at Dust, asking myself "What the hell is MMO about this game?" All we have now is a lobby shooter with a current build that failed to please both player bases that never left beta. We need PVE and some degree of EVE involvement that goes both ways. We needed this in beta and not having it really shows the blaring weakness of Dust that can't be fixed by improving hit detection and aiming.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 290	Posted - 2013.06.16 18:22:00 - [69] - Quote SHOOOOTER wrote: We have been hearing this coming soon excuse way to long. Its basically an open ended disrespect to your customers. We understand you need time to get things done. Fine. But communicate with us! Give us a road map. The whole soon Tm thing was cute for the first year. But we are loosing people left and right its time to get rid of the whole soon excuse and talk with us please! How long for new maps. How long for proper PC? How long for hit detection to be fixed? No more soon excuses please! And just how long have you been playing for bud??? As for myself ive been playing since july of LAST YEAR...... do you understand what 11 months of "soon" feels like?? not good, but im not presumptuous enough to go on the forums and call CCP out on disrespecting the community!! this build is ONE MONTH OLD, STFU, HTFU and wait for the next build to come out. Just like what ive been doing for the last year.
General Technique Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 53	Posted - 2013.06.16 18:28:00 - [70] - Quote PonyClause Rex wrote: Cosgar wrote: Dust Project 514 wrote: Why is it that some gamers feel so entitled, that they can tell pubs/devs what to do with games, as if they are the ones funding what happens with the games? CCP will do it if/when they feel like it. They could just take you money and end the Dust 514 service and take it to PC. Hah! If Dust 514 moved to PC, it really would die. Hackers would have a field day just like any other F2P game before it. I think punk buster still exsists? LOL.... you're joking, right?

kevlar waffles Art of Assassination 2	Posted - 2013.06.16 19:23:00 - [71] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Dust Project 514 wrote: Why is it that some gamers feel so entitled, that they can tell pubs/devs what to do with games, as if they are the ones funding what happens with the games? CCP will do it if/when they feel like it. They could just take you money and end the Dust 514 service and take it to PC. Hah! If Dust 514 moved to PC, it really would die. Hackers would have a field day just like any other F2P game before it. Im getting those horrible flashbacks of my Combat Arms days
FoxFour Failed Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 6	Posted - 2013.06.16 21:22:00 - [72] - Quote Hey look they copyright SoonGäó-¬ as well as trademark.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1638	Posted - 2013.06.16 21:26:00 - [73] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am sorry but developers don't want to give you features that are half done. You have GOT to be kidding me. CCP absolutely loves giving us features that are "half done." Hell, to be honest, I'd love to see some half done features in this game, it would be a real improvement.
crazy space 1 Unkn0wn Killers 1380	Posted - 2013.06.16 23:35:00 - [74] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: Planetside2 SchitsonDust wrote: Yeah it has gone too far, borderline lying Ahahahaha... I recognize who's alt you must be. Not done complaining/promoting yet? Considering he can make an endless number for alts as this game is free to play. Not to mention, why can't we gain passive sp on all 3 characters? We can make endless alts for free so whats the point?
crazy space 1 Unkn0wn Killers 1380	Posted - 2013.06.16 23:37:00 - [75] - Quote Cosgar wrote: crazy space 1 wrote: Crash Monster wrote: LOL, have you guys listened to yourselves. You think CCP has to touch base with you on everything? Sure, it would be nice, but they don't have to do jack ****. I don't care if CCP ever tells me they are releasing patches or not. SUCK IT http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/archive/2003/ http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/archive/2004/ http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/archive/2005/ http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/archive/2006/ http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/archive/2007/ http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/archive/2008/ http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/archive/2009/ http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/archive/2010/ http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/archive/2011/ http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/archive/2012/ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=271 So yeah, I have come to expect CCP to touch base with it's customers in order to improve the game and get player feedback before a feature is release. In fact, you can even play the new Eve Online expansion on the test server over 1-2 months before an expansion hits. You SHOULD care. Seeing EVE's dev blogs just shows how much effort is going into this game right now.. Not just right now, they have mountains of dev blogs right after release in 2003!. The game was very rough and they wanted to make people keep playing despite the current state of the game by pulling more people into the communication. Didn't even have a CSM/CPM back then! Eve is real, I was there.
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 32	Posted - 2013.06.16 23:47:00 - [76] - Quote I just asked them long time before 31st for respec i waited till now. Nothing. Everything what they sent me when i asked them after through mail, everything was just like from some PR-guide nad still no info and still no respec. Today i sent all my ingame money to corp, terminate my ingame persona and deleted DUST 514 from Ps3 Enough is Enough
Planetside2 GOTY Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.06.17 00:53:00 - [77] - Quote Proof CCP has trademarked SoonGäó Funny
Aoena Rays Bragian Order Amarr Empire 164	Posted - 2013.06.17 01:38:00 - [78] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: We are not being entitled its the reality of market. If u can't keep up u need to gtfo. That's just the way it is. It might have worked for eve due to lack of compation but Dust514 has to fight with gaming worlds heavyweights and right now even as a free to play. People would rather pay 30 40 quid and play that instead. Tbh I'm nearly done with free to play. I would rather fork over cash and know I was getting a good game. And not a tech demo Which game releases content updates after month and a half after the release?
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1772	Posted - 2013.06.17 01:50:00 - [79] - Quote Aoena Rays wrote: Which game releases content updates after month and a half after the release? How many games are in such bad shape that they have to? I can only think of one of the top of my head. I'll give you a hint...
Aoena Rays Bragian Order Amarr Empire 164	Posted - 2013.06.17 02:34:00 - [80] - Quote Cosgar wrote: How many games are in such bad shape that they have to? I can only think of one of the top of my head. I'll give you a hint... What shape? Game runs fine, plays fine and you are ranting over such small things that it is ridiculous for a free game. If you don't like it - wait for the next update or just gtfo.

Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1776	Posted - 2013.06.17 02:58:00 - [81] - Quote A dev told me and several other weapon users that they won't be fixing a glitch in our weapon until the next major update. That's not a small thing in a FPS, especially when you need to grind for a month or more worth of SP to invest into a game mechanic only to find out about the bug since it wasn't in the patch notes. F2P or not, that's pretty messed up. I shouldn't have to GTFO until the next update, I should be able to have fun now without a bug limiting my combat effectiveness... again, in a FPS that I had to find out about on a forum, not to mention in the wrong topic since it wasn't specified on the patch notes. Defend that.
Shion Typhon Intara Direct Action Caldari State 65	Posted - 2013.06.17 04:09:00 - [82] - Quote Aoena Rays wrote: Cosgar wrote: How many games are in such bad shape that they have to? I can only think of one of the top of my head. I'll give you a hint... What shape? Game runs fine, plays fine and you are ranting over such small things that it is ridiculous for a free game. If you don't like it - wait for the next update or just gtfo. You are completely delusional, this game plays nowhere near fine by any stretch of the imagination. Have you played any other shooter on the market?
Brax Bates Buster Corp 0	Posted - 2013.06.17 04:44:00 - [83] - Quote Aoena Rays wrote: Cosgar wrote: How many games are in such bad shape that they have to? I can only think of one of the top of my head. I'll give you a hint... What shape? Game runs fine, plays fine and you are ranting over such small things that it is ridiculous for a free game. If you don't like it - wait for the next update or just gtfo. What games do you play that make you think Dust runs and plays fine?
PlanetSideTooPS4 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.06.17 16:14:00 - [84] - Quote My in depth report
Travis Snyders Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.06.17 22:09:00 - [85] - Quote I have been playing for 2 months now & I see no broken promises. Not sure what yall talkin bout. Sounds like yall crying, cus ur board
FoxFour FailedPC Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.06.17 23:19:00 - [86] - Quote People have a right to be frustrated, the game is boring right now, but it does have its bright spots in the future.
Travis Snyders Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2013.06.18 00:21:00 - [87] - Quote I created a video of my concerns
Planetside2 FreeonPS4 Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.06.18 00:28:00 - [88] - Quote Planetside 2 free on PS4 this year
FoxFour FailedPC Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.06.18 01:02:00 - [89] - Quote Planetside 2 free on PS4 this year
Travis Snyders Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2013.06.18 01:13:00 - [90] - Quote Concerned fan

Tactic Angel GodsWolves 23	Posted - 2013.06.18 01:30:00 - [91] - Quote Planetside 2's Roadmap seems to be Soon(tm) too. Kind of funny, considering how highly praised it is by certain bots, either programmed or by prerogative, speak of it.
Planetside2 FreeonPS4 Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 9	Posted - 2013.06.18 01:53:00 - [92] - Quote Planetside 2 PS4
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 1985	Posted - 2013.06.18 01:57:00 - [93] - Quote Planetside2 FreeonPS4 wrote: Planetside 2 PS4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2nWNZfKFSI
Dustin Peril Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.06.18 04:21:00 - [94] - Quote What is the big deal? Free to play, why all the haters?
Amorale Lyadstafer Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 13	Posted - 2013.06.18 05:40:00 - [95] - Quote Tactic Angel wrote: Planetside 2's Roadmap seems to be Soon(tm) too. Kind of funny, considering how highly praised it is by certain bots, either programmed or by prerogative, speak of it. Check fist, post later. They've added alot of items from their roadmap. But most importantly, they DO have a roadmap. Dust devs constantly boast about 5 or 10 or whatever plan, but can't give us info about content patch that rolls out in few weeks. Players gotta pause camp e3 vid in order to get any info. And all we get is a soon, which became the most ******* annoying word I know
HowDidThatTaste Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2822	Posted - 2013.06.18 14:59:00 - [96] - Quote I'm starting to see some new responses from the devs. Guess what soon is all over them.
da GAND 187. 14	Posted - 2013.06.18 15:07:00 - [97] - Quote fenrir storm wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am sorry but developers don't want to give you features that are half done. Explain dust the game then. I'm sure it's a half finished product. more like a quarter finished
Michael Cratar Fenrir's Wolves RUST415 210	Posted - 2013.06.18 21:52:00 - [98] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: LOL, have you guys listened to yourselves. You think CCP has to touch base with you on everything? Sure, it would be nice, but they don't have to do jack **. I don't care if CCP ever tells me they are releasing patches or not. The game will change. I'll adapt. If I get pissed I'll leave instead of throwing * all about the forum like a primate. When you get to the point that you think YOUR comments and advice are the only thing that can save CCP you are very **ing deluded. Me, I know I'm nobody. I'm playing the game because the current issues don't stop me from having fun. Well, when the server is up anyway. Yes, I'm also aware of all the "customer is always right" and "listen to the customer" baloney. This is CCP. I expect they'll tough it out while you cryhards empty your bowels here daily... put out new content and fix glitches and things over time... and many of us will be happy to play even if the game doesn't get your certificate of approval. Hey, I just figured why some of the cryhards don't leave... their egos are so inflated they can't get out the door. Legitimate question to you. How do you make this game fun? Iv plated since closed beta and i was never able to get into the "I cant wait to play this game at the end of the day" cycle. I still stalk the forums from time to time to see whats going on. As I said befor, what makes this game fun for you? Id like to know so I could try it too.
Alikar Mougar Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.06.19 04:59:00 - [99] - Quote Well I guess im glad that I have not been following this forum much because I would have been let down alot apparantly. I dont think I will be frequenting here much
Peoples Champs Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.06.19 22:32:00 - [100] - Quote Dont leave us +ö+ö+ö+ö+ö+ö+ö+ö+ö CCP needs your money. Soon they will release 1.2 and you will be happy to play again

Ramael Kestrel Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.06.20 01:19:00 - [101] - Quote Since when is transparency ever a bad thing?
Fredrikson Revel Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2013.06.20 23:23:00 - [102] - Quote Yeah broken promises are something im not too fond of, but who cares, its a free video game.
BMSTUBBY KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 273	Posted - 2013.06.20 23:30:00 - [103] - Quote I see a lot of, " Its Free who cares" in this thread. Yeah it may not have cost us real money unless we made the choice to spend money on it but by no means is this game free. Time! My time is worth something and I have put a lot of time into this game only to have CCP keep coming back to me telling me that they need more of my time before it gets fixed. Well my time wallet has about run dry. Until they can fix core FPS mechanics not only will they not get any of my real money but they are not going to waist anymore of my time.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 697	Posted - 2013.06.20 23:40:00 - [104] - Quote Michael Cratar wrote: Legitimate question to you. How do you make this game fun? Iv plated since closed beta and i was never able to get into the "I cant wait to play this game at the end of the day" cycle. I still stalk the forums from time to time to see whats going on. As I said befor, what makes this game fun for you? Id like to know so I could try it too. Honest answer. I don't have a lot of things I can pull out of a hat. There is the usual host of things that people want... improved game play mechanics, content, maps, etc. However, two things that probably won't sound like much that I can also suggest: When fixing balance issues figure out ways to do so that don't introduce a big painful negative. People feel negatives, losses, twice as acutely as a a gain. An example I can explain is the "quick scope" problem for sniper rifles. Now, every time you scope the rifle fights you by turning in some random pattern until it quiets down. It's silly. Why not just go for the future high tech solution and suggest the range/power combo requires warm-up and that before warm up there will be a dispersion effect that settles down as the rifle warms. Hey, no fighting the rifle, no need to lose your aim all the time, and no need to worry about "quick scope" problems. Is that more fun... not sure, but it represents a fix philosophy that might end up with better game feel over time -- as adding fun impacting concepts to achieve balance is a process that can go a long way. I don't play the game for SP or ISK. I play a battle at a time and try to do the best I can each battle. While I still manage to cap out most weeks -- I am having fun. The people that complain about not having fun often seem to be the ones that talk about grinding, falling behind, losing something if they don't cap out, all that kind of thing. You don't have to end up with as much SP as another to max out a role and be effective. You can enjoy the journey and not just the destination. Maybe a bit metaphysical but just simply allow yourself to enjoy the things that do work and not let the problems hide those things. I see the problems, I'm impacted by the problems, I hope they fix the problems, but I'm still able to have fun.
Lilah Silverstone The Arrow Project 117	Posted - 2013.06.20 23:49:00 - [105] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: Michael Cratar wrote: Legitimate question to you. How do you make this game fun? Iv plated since closed beta and i was never able to get into the "I cant wait to play this game at the end of the day" cycle. I still stalk the forums from time to time to see whats going on. As I said befor, what makes this game fun for you? Id like to know so I could try it too. Honest answer. I don't have a lot of things I can pull out of a hat. There is the usual host of things that people want... improved game play mechanics, content, maps, etc. However, two things that probably won't sound like much that I can also suggest: When fixing balance issues figure out ways to do so that don't introduce a big painful negative. People feel negatives, losses, twice as acutely as a a gain. An example I can explain is the "quick scope" problem for sniper rifles. Now, every time you scope the rifle fights you by turning in some random pattern until it quiets down. It's silly. Why not just go for the future high tech solution and suggest the range/power combo requires warm-up and that before warm up there will be a dispersion effect that settles down as the rifle warms. Hey, no fighting the rifle, no need to lose your aim all the time, and no need to worry about "quick scope" problems. Is that more fun... not sure, but it represents a fix philosophy that might end up with better game feel over time -- as adding fun impacting concepts to achieve balance is a process that can go a long way. I don't play the game for SP or ISK. I play a battle at a time and try to do the best I can each battle. While I still manage to cap out most weeks -- I am having fun. The people that complain about not having fun often seem to be the ones that talk about grinding, falling behind, losing something if they don't cap out, all that kind of thing. You don't have to end up with as much SP as another to max out a role and be effective. You can enjoy the journey and not just the destination. Maybe a bit metaphysical but just simply allow yourself to enjoy the things that do work and not let the problems hide those things. I see the problems, I'm impacted by the problems, I hope they fix the problems, but I'm still able to have fun. +1 playing the game to grind, isn't fun (unless you like grinding). Playing to improve your skills or achieve personal goals however can be extremely rewarding.
crazy space 1 Unkn0wn Killers 1394	Posted - 2013.06.21 04:34:00 - [106] - Quote Ramael Kestrel wrote: Since when is transparency ever a bad thing? This is all I've been saying But CCP seem to think it is
crazy space 1 Unkn0wn Killers 1394	Posted - 2013.06.21 04:36:00 - [107] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: Michael Cratar wrote: Legitimate question to you. How do you make this game fun? Iv plated since closed beta and i was never able to get into the "I cant wait to play this game at the end of the day" cycle. I still stalk the forums from time to time to see whats going on. As I said befor, what makes this game fun for you? Id like to know so I could try it too. Honest answer. I don't have a lot of things I can pull out of a hat. There is the usual host of things that people want... improved game play mechanics, content, maps, etc. However, two things that probably won't sound like much that I can also suggest: [list] When fixing balance issues Release them in a blog 1st to get feedback, change the numbers before release based on feedback like every mmo ever so you don't surprise the community and make them feel like you don't give a ****. fixxed
Planetside2 OnPS4 Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2013.06.21 20:03:00 - [108] - Quote We got a new dev blog. New modes coming SoonGäó
PlanetsideTwo F2PonPS4 Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2013.06.22 05:06:00 - [109] - Quote Feedback appreciated Here is what I think
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 2051	Posted - 2013.06.22 05:14:00 - [110] - Quote PlanetsideTwo F2PonPS4 wrote: Feedback appreciated Here is what I think http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WF1tw3Zcvo8

Terry Turner Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.06.22 19:48:00 - [111] - Quote SoonGäó isnt even funny anymore. Its just played out and is jusst another term for lying
LEOn Mendez Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.06.22 23:20:00 - [112] - Quote I agree the promises are too far stretched between releases. Fanfest is really just failed promises.
Greg FREESEr Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.06.23 03:34:00 - [113] - Quote Soon is just a statement made to keep the carrot dangling on the stick. It is promise that your waiting is well deserved.
Davey Newcome Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.06.23 06:02:00 - [114] - Quote Yeah I sure would like to taste that carrot though.
PLANETSIDETwo OnPS4 Commando Perkone Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.06.23 18:02:00 - [115] - Quote BMSTUBBY wrote: I see a lot of, " Its Free who cares" in this thread. Yeah it may not have cost us real money unless we made the choice to spend money on it but by no means is this game free. Time! My time is worth something and I have put a lot of time into this game only to have CCP keep coming back to me telling me that they need more of my time before it gets fixed. Well my time wallet has about run dry. Until they can fix core FPS mechanics not only will they not get any of my real money but they are not going to waist anymore of my time. Yeah If I spent $$ on this thing I would be pissed too. I have spent around 200$ on planetside 2 and have 0 buyers remorse. I enjoy what I bought every day.
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2013.06.23 18:08:00 - [116] - Quote Dust Project 514 wrote: Why is it that some gamers feel so entitled, that they can tell pubs/devs what to do with games, as if they are the ones funding what happens with the games? CCP will do it if/when they feel like it. They could just take you money and end the Dust 514 service and take it to PC. This. Too many bratty gamers. It's a free game that has constantly changed since it's first build. Knowing and accepting that is the first part of the enlightenment. Gamers just complain...that's all they ever know how to do. Meanwhile, they don't understand the impact it has on the relationship between dev and end user. There's a way to say it without sounding like you still cry when you don't get your Teddy Grahams
crazy space 1 Unkn0wn Killers 1398	Posted - 2013.06.23 21:37:00 - [117] - Quote Tactic Angel wrote: Planetside 2's Roadmap seems to be Soon(tm) too. Kind of funny, considering how highly praised it is by certain bots, either programmed or by prerogative, speak of it. Frist of all its not soon each feature has a month in it . Second,ok then point me in the direction of a dev blog or thread outlining the new scout LAV and tank numbers where I can give feedback like ps2. Oh wait there isn't one and there has never be
ALAINAgg Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 3	Posted - 2013.06.23 23:32:00 - [118] - Quote You keep talking like that and you might get banned. Keep it up. We cant compare ps2 to dust. GM vegas said so.
PlanetsideTwoBomber Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.06.24 02:09:00 - [119] - Quote Be your own Judge. What game looks like more fun to you? Dust.........Or this......... Planetside 2 Coming to PS4 this year 1080p Ultra settings at Night Intense Open Field Battle Desert Infantry Line Huge Desert Tank Battle 100 Tank Convoy 150 man Air Raid 65/0 Kill streak in the air NC Montage Planetside 2 Machinima Factions Explained Why you should Play Planetside 2 From Vets
GinnyHub Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.06.24 19:19:00 - [120] - Quote Looks like the Soon tagline is overstaying its welcome.

KERINMalik Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.06.24 23:40:00 - [121] - Quote Terry Turner wrote: SoonGäó isnt even funny anymore. Its just played out and is jusst another term for lying I agree the soon word is almost taboo around here. If I were ccp I wouldn't use it anymore.
Denny655 Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.06.25 01:25:00 - [122] - Quote Planetside2 OnPS4 wrote: We got a new dev blog. New modes coming SoonGäó Funny and sharp, the dev blogs are just stringing us along with more soon promises. We need more info on what is actually coming next patch. This hype of this and that is just more carrots for the stick. Dangling is not fun.
Cariss777 Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.06.25 21:14:00 - [123] - Quote With the recent dev blog Im not impressed. Sorry but soon is taboo. Stop using the word.
PhillyPride Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.06.26 01:36:00 - [124] - Quote Soon=Exactly what ccp preatorian explained in his latest dev blog. Ooh im so happy. Not! More things to come, seem to be stringing mercs along for too long. I have decided to delete the game and try something else.
freddy49 fix Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.06.27 06:39:00 - [125] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: Ramael Kestrel wrote: Since when is transparency ever a bad thing? This is all I've been saying But CCP seem to think it is Transparancy is the key to all communication, no transparancy leads to lies.
geddeylee Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2013.06.27 07:58:00 - [126] - Quote Promises have turned to lies, pure and simple.
Mobias Wyvern Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2013.07.06 01:49:00 - [127] - Quote Be your own Judge. What game looks like more fun to you? Dust.........Or this......... Planetside 2 Coming to PS4 this year 1080p Ultra settings at Night Intense Open Field Battle 100 Man Infantry Objective Push Desert Infantry Line Huge Desert Tank Battle 100 Tank Convoy 150 man Air Raid 65/0 Kill streak in the air NC Montage Planetside 2 Machinima Factions Explained Why you should Play Planetside 2 From Vets


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