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SHOOOOTER
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.15 17:02:00 -
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We have been hearing this coming soon excuse way to long. Its basically an open ended disrespect to your customers. We understand you need time to get things done. Fine. But communicate with us! Give us a road map. The whole soon Tm thing was cute for the first year. But we are loosing people left and right its time to get rid of the whole soon excuse and talk with us please! How long for new maps. How long for proper PC? How long for hit detection to be fixed?
No more soon excuses please! |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
1711
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Posted - 2013.06.15 17:07:00 -
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Well hit detection was still bad in the most recent trailer so... |
Dust Project 514
Dust Evo 514
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Posted - 2013.06.15 17:08:00 -
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Why is it that some gamers feel so entitled, that they can tell pubs/devs what to do with games, as if they are the ones funding what happens with the games? |
steadyhand amarr
Amarr Immortal Volunteers
699
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Posted - 2013.06.15 17:17:00 -
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We are not being entitled its the reality of market. If u can't keep up u need to gtfo. That's just the way it is. It might have worked for eve due to lack of compation but Dust514 has to fight with gaming worlds heavyweights and right now even as a free to play. People would rather pay 30 40 quid and play that instead.
Tbh I'm nearly done with free to play. I would rather fork over cash and know I was getting a good game. And not a tech demo |
Ansiiis The Trustworthy
Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS.
73
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Posted - 2013.06.15 17:19:00 -
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SHOOOOTER wrote:We have been hearing this coming soon excuse way to long. Its basically an open ended disrespect to your customers. We understand you need time to get things done. Fine. But communicate with us! Give us a road map. The whole soon Tm thing was cute for the first year. But we are loosing people left and right its time to get rid of the whole soon excuse and talk with us please! How long for new maps. How long for proper PC? How long for hit detection to be fixed?
No more soon excuses please!
Where is this place called "long"? Is that some kind of benchmark til today? I am confused... Now that I'm done shaming your grammar. They confirmed the roadmap, why are you saying that we need one? |
SHOOOOTER
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
49
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Posted - 2013.06.15 17:20:00 -
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Dust Project 514 wrote:Why is it that some gamers feel so entitled, that they can tell pubs/devs what to do with games, as if they are the ones funding what happens with the games?
CCP will do it if/when they feel like it.
They could just take you money and end the Dust 514 service and take it to PC.
Because if we stop spending money on this game as a player base we do have a say. And what it says is this game s not worth spending money on anytime SOON! |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
1713
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Posted - 2013.06.15 17:26:00 -
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Dust Project 514 wrote:Why is it that some gamers feel so entitled, that they can tell pubs/devs what to do with games, as if they are the ones funding what happens with the games?
CCP will do it if/when they feel like it.
They could just take you money and end the Dust 514 service and take it to PC. Hah! If Dust 514 moved to PC, it really would die. Hackers would have a field day just like any other F2P game before it. |
PonyClause Rex
TRAMADOL KNIGHTS
79
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Posted - 2013.06.15 17:31:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Dust Project 514 wrote:Why is it that some gamers feel so entitled, that they can tell pubs/devs what to do with games, as if they are the ones funding what happens with the games?
CCP will do it if/when they feel like it.
They could just take you money and end the Dust 514 service and take it to PC. Hah! If Dust 514 moved to PC, it really would die. Hackers would have a field day just like any other F2P game before it.
I think punk buster still exsists? |
Panther Alpha
Lone Wolf Going Solo
519
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Posted - 2013.06.15 17:36:00 -
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Dust Project 514 wrote:Why is it that some gamers feel so entitled, that they can tell pubs/devs what to do with games, as if they are the ones funding what happens with the games?
CCP will do it if/when they feel like it.
They could just take you money and end the Dust 514 service and take it to PC.
Because Gamers plays Games...is that simple... that is why you have "Open Betas", so companies can collect Gamers feedback. For a Game to be successful, people have to PLAY that game.. Free To Play or not.
Will be a Hollow victory for CCP, if they end up with a Game that no one plays ... even if they do it for no profit, or as a hobby, or as a side project from EvE.. Their reputation will be damage for ever, and their credibility as a gaming company destroy. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
5184
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Posted - 2013.06.15 17:38:00 -
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I am sorry but developers don't want to give you features that are half done.
They also cannot update every day as desired so things have to be deployed a chunk at a time due to sony requirements. This is one requirement they cannot circumvent and also they cannot alleviate even if they go to another platform as PS4 likely still requires it, and as long as dust 514 is on a console platform going to pc is not going to fix this issue either because you cannot have two separate clients with features on one missing on the other.
There is also internal testing that has to happen, things get real screwy if you deploy them without seeing what they do to the field. |
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
5184
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Posted - 2013.06.15 17:39:00 -
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PonyClause Rex wrote:Cosgar wrote:Dust Project 514 wrote:Why is it that some gamers feel so entitled, that they can tell pubs/devs what to do with games, as if they are the ones funding what happens with the games?
CCP will do it if/when they feel like it.
They could just take you money and end the Dust 514 service and take it to PC. Hah! If Dust 514 moved to PC, it really would die. Hackers would have a field day just like any other F2P game before it. I think punk buster still exsists?
Doesn't work its been defeated quite often. |
fenrir storm
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
348
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Posted - 2013.06.15 17:42:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I am sorry but developers don't want to give you features that are half done.
Explain dust the game then. I'm sure it's a half finished product. |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
624
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Posted - 2013.06.15 17:42:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I am sorry but developers don't want to give you features that are half done.
They also cannot update every day as desired so things have to be deployed a chunk at a time due to sony requirements. This is one requirement they cannot circumvent and also they cannot alleviate even if they go to another platform as PS4 likely still requires it, and as long as dust 514 is on a console platform going to pc is not going to fix this issue either because you cannot have two separate clients with features on one missing on the other.
There is also internal testing that has to happen, things get real screwy if you deploy them without seeing what they do to the field. then why did they drop uprising and PC in half done states on us. |
SHOOOOTER
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
49
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Posted - 2013.06.15 17:51:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I am sorry but developers don't want to give you features that are half done.
They also cannot update every day as desired so things have to be deployed a chunk at a time due to sony requirements. This is one requirement they cannot circumvent and also they cannot alleviate even if they go to another platform as PS4 likely still requires it, and as long as dust 514 is on a console platform going to pc is not going to fix this issue either because you cannot have two separate clients with features on one missing on the other.
There is also internal testing that has to happen, things get real screwy if you deploy them without seeing what they do to the field.
Wow just wow denial much or just a fan boy?
This stuff should have been fixed a darn year ago, before beta was over! This is a commercial release and hit detection is junk. There is no player market there is no connection to eve. There is no communication to when any of this is coming and soon is just slap to the face that means maybe in a few years time this stuff will be fixed.....maybe
Well my Money is in the mail you should expect it SOon Ccp....... |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic
354
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Posted - 2013.06.15 17:56:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I am sorry but developers don't want to give you features that are half done.
They also cannot update every day as desired so things have to be deployed a chunk at a time due to sony requirements. This is one requirement they cannot circumvent and also they cannot alleviate even if they go to another platform as PS4 likely still requires it, and as long as dust 514 is on a console platform going to pc is not going to fix this issue either because you cannot have two separate clients with features on one missing on the other.
There is also internal testing that has to happen, things get real screwy if you deploy them without seeing what they do to the field.
Quote:They also cannot update every day as desired so things have to be deployed a chunk at a time due to sony requirements.
Now this is compete BS. If this was even remotely a problem then CCP has a day at which they can release and would have back logged patches and features they could tell us about.
In other words they could tell us what we are getting when.
We are not told when and barely told what.
You are making this BS up. |
crazy space 1
Unkn0wn Killers
1354
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Posted - 2013.06.15 18:41:00 -
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Dust Project 514 wrote:Why is it that some gamers feel so entitled, that they can tell pubs/devs what to do with games, as if they are the ones funding what happens with the games?
CCP will do it if/when they feel like it.
They could just take you money and end the Dust 514 service and take it to PC.
http://www.planetside2.com/roadmap
God we are so entitled.
It's not like other f2p FPS mmos do what the OP is saying for. CCP just really know how to run a game community, ima right? |
crazy space 1
Unkn0wn Killers
1354
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Posted - 2013.06.15 18:43:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I am sorry but developers don't want to give you features that are half done.
They also cannot update every day as desired so things have to be deployed a chunk at a time due to sony requirements. This is one requirement they cannot circumvent and also they cannot alleviate even if they go to another platform as PS4 likely still requires it, and as long as dust 514 is on a console platform going to pc is not going to fix this issue either because you cannot have two separate clients with features on one missing on the other.
There is also internal testing that has to happen, things get real screwy if you deploy them without seeing what they do to the field.
But PS2 is going to be on PS4 and it gets a 6 month roadmap at all times, so what the hell is CCPs excuse? |
Derek Shonnesey
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.06.15 18:54:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I am sorry but developers don't want to give you features that are half done.
They also cannot update every day as desired so things have to be deployed a chunk at a time due to sony requirements. This is one requirement they cannot circumvent and also they cannot alleviate even if they go to another platform as PS4 likely still requires it, and as long as dust 514 is on a console platform going to pc is not going to fix this issue either because you cannot have two separate clients with features on one missing on the other.
There is also internal testing that has to happen, things get real screwy if you deploy them without seeing what they do to the field.
Are you Insane?
CCP actually stated in the last 2 fanfest that they "created systems to put in place" meaning they were half done placeholders awaiting further tweeking/reworking in which they have been doin in the last few builds. Reworking and tweeking systems is what there doing.
So how can you say the game isn't half baked while the systems are getting reworked constantly? They even said the driving modules were "Not good" and were planning to rework soonGäó.
Seriously WTF are you smokin? |
Richard Sebire
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
37
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Posted - 2013.06.15 19:57:00 -
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I've just finished watching the CCP Video from E3, and it seems like CCP's idea of SoonGäó is a decade. The way they where going on about the first and second decade was quite disheartening. I think SoonGäó in Dust 514 could be a way of saying another decade latter. WTF
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Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
589
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Posted - 2013.06.15 20:07:00 -
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I get some of this same non-comprehension from management at work. I'm in the computing field and people think creating something new and complex is like filling in boxes in a spreadsheet.
Sorry, creativity takes time. Inspiration as to strike. You try out the idea. Maybe it works. Maybe it doesn't. It's not like you can draw a straight line on a calendar and simply declare when new capabilities will be done and worthy of release.
Some of you need to grow up and develop some patience. The world moves at the pace it does... no matter how fast you want it to go. |
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
5192
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Posted - 2013.06.15 20:16:00 -
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crazy space 1 wrote:Dust Project 514 wrote:Why is it that some gamers feel so entitled, that they can tell pubs/devs what to do with games, as if they are the ones funding what happens with the games?
CCP will do it if/when they feel like it.
They could just take you money and end the Dust 514 service and take it to PC. http://www.planetside2.com/roadmapGod we are so entitled. It's not like other f2p FPS mmos do what the OP is saying for. CCP just really know how to run a game community, ima right?
75% of that road map was trashed in favor for MLG design. |
SHOOOOTER
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
50
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Posted - 2013.06.15 20:16:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:I get some of this same non-comprehension from management at work. I'm in the computing field and people think creating something new and complex is like filling in boxes in a spreadsheet.
Sorry, creativity takes time. Inspiration as to strike. You try out the idea. Maybe it works. Maybe it doesn't. It's not like you can draw a straight line on a calendar and simply declare when new capabilities will be done and worthy of release.
Some of you need to grow up and develop some patience. The world moves at the pace it does... no matter how fast you want it to go.
I also work in the real world and if I told my home buyers that their house would be built soon and not give them a reasonable date for completion guess how long I would stay in business?
If ccp wants to be artists wait for inspiration to strike then they have no business realising this game.
For a business to stay in business they most definetly have to work on a timeline. I want this game to succeed the truth is its loosing die hard players that have been here since the beginning. I was buying a merc back every few weeks, now I don't care
Look at major corps walking away from PC , look at the forums people are highly dissapointed with the non existent timeline and failed promises and patronizing. SOON BS. |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
589
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Posted - 2013.06.15 20:25:00 -
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SHOOOOTER wrote:I also work in the real world and if I told my home buyers that their house would be built soon and not give them a reasonable date for completion guess how long I would stay in business?
If ccp wants to be artists wait for inspiration to strike then they have no business realising this game.
For a business to stay in business they most definetly have to work on a timeline. I want this game to succeed the truth is its loosing die hard players that have been here since the beginning. I was buying a merc back every few weeks, now I don't care
Look at major corps walking away from PC , look at the forums people are highly dissapointed with the non existent timeline and failed promises and patronizing. SOON BS.
Custom software development is not simply an exercise of spending time at the keyboard. No amount of whining and complaining will accomplish anything -- except make sure that CCP never bothers to provide us with estimates. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
5192
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Posted - 2013.06.15 20:31:00 -
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Well I am not trying to sell myself a completed game of next decade; today.
The studio itself is self developing and learning its own lessons while still managing to deliver new aspects of the game to you guys as early as feasibly possible. Sometimes the early as possible gets in the way again in the future when they have to redesign it. The studio will get better at content delivery, content generation, and feature planning. This is not a well versed studio making this game and they're experiencing just as much growing pains as the game itself is. This is not Dice or Zipper or SOE the maker of dozens of games, this is a studio that has only 2 games made in the past one of which is a board game. This specific studio is a whole mash bag of different developers from different backgrounds and the game on current engine is not that very old overall. Yes Dust 514 has been in the works for for years but most of it has been theory testing and crafting. Things like 'can we really shoot a planet from eve and it translates into another game?'
CCP is trying to not create a massive 'technical' debt with current ingame features. There is already a massive 'development wishlist debt' still unpaid off and there is no need to increase that much further than necessary.
There are quite a few features that unfortunately throwing more developers at is not going to get them done quicker either, for example you only need one guy to manage the balancing, having 3 guys in charge results in far worse balance table as they all go different directions. There are also features they do need more devs in but only have so many experienced in that area that they cannot do everything at once. For example the guy in charge of Factional Warfare, is also in charge of planetary conquest, is also in charge of player to player interactivity. He has to manage his projects carefully in a manner that works best with all the other teams he works with and he does a crap ton of theory crafting on his end on how players would play out in the board game. He's a nice guy to talk to nonetheless as long as you don't steal his shoes.
Unfortunately Soon(tm) is the only answer any developer can give you when the feature they're working on is not yet done or tested yet.
While I have a very good idea what the game is going to look like 10 years from now, I cannot tell you which of those features you are going to to get in what order.
And those I see coming up in the next few months I am not allowed to tell you guys anything about those until a dev spills the beans. There should be a new dev blog and podcast on the horizon though involving 1.2 Uprising. |
The Attorney General
ZionTCD
82
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Posted - 2013.06.15 20:34:00 -
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Crash monster, if CCP doesn't start releasing estimates, the community will leave. If CCP wants us to putting money back in their pockets, they need to produce more. I know I won't give CCP anything until they shape up. I am not alone in that. Many of the people who regularly purchased aurum have ceased since Uprising stand up the place.
If CCP chooses to keep us in the dark, the can enjoy reduced revenues because of it. |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
589
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Posted - 2013.06.15 20:44:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:Crash monster, if CCP doesn't start releasing estimates, the community will leave. If CCP wants us to putting money back in their pockets, they need to produce more. I know I won't give CCP anything until they shape up. I am not alone in that. Many of the people who regularly purchased aurum have ceased since Uprising stand up the place.
If CCP chooses to keep us in the dark, the can enjoy reduced revenues because of it.
I don't think it matters what CCP does. Even if they ask us what we want, as they do, they get a 50-50 split that has half the community blaming the other for the ills of the world and then threatening to walk.
Trust me, if CCP could deliver every desired feature and fix every flaw tomorrow, I'm sure they would.
CCP knows, I assume as I'm not privy to any inside details, what they want to build. They have put some quantity of developers into the mix, and they are working on things.
They had our help testing it but they don't owe us anything. We didn't end up part owners though there is obviously a lot of emotional investment from some folks who must have found out they aren't all that special -- they are just players like everyone else -- now that the game is no longer in beta.
I don't care if you do or don't spend money on things. Nobody is twisting your arm or forcing you to do so. Again, nobody owes us anything... we are free to play, or not, just as we are free to pay, or not. Perhaps people can just make their choice without all the threats and whining?
I won't hold my breath. |
cedz636
ILL OM3NS
10
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Posted - 2013.06.15 20:56:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:I get some of this same non-comprehension from management at work. I'm in the computing field and people think creating something new and complex is like filling in boxes in a spreadsheet.
Sorry, creativity takes time. Inspiration has to strike. You try out the idea. Maybe it works. Maybe it doesn't. It's not like you can draw a straight line on a calendar and simply declare when new capabilities will be done and worthy of release. People make estimates for a reason...
Some of you need to grow up and develop some patience. The world moves at the pace it does... no matter how fast you want it to go.
We have been more than patient...the problem lies with the lack of communication. The vague, non-factual reply from CPM is proof of this. Patience only goes so far and can be tolerated so much when, as a fan base, we are left out of the loop (what little fan base Dust 514 has already without issues like this turning more and more players away every day). Me? I'll remain patient...Dust 514 is a good game, and it has the potential of being a great game, but I somehow feel I'm patiently awaiting the release of PS2 and Destiny on PS4 rather than the devs to pull this game up to even par. I speak for a lot of people when I say we're still gonna play, and wait, and play, and wait some more, but If CCP doesn't get with the program, I'm gone when the PS4 drops those titles. I mean come on...how hard is it to give us a roadmap of where Dust is going? It leads me to believe there isn't one, and the half-a$$ replies by CPMs and DEVs all over this forum support this theory. |
cedz636
ILL OM3NS
10
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Posted - 2013.06.15 21:00:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote: There should be a new dev blog and podcast on the horizon though involving 1.2 Uprising.
That's a start |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
590
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Posted - 2013.06.15 21:06:00 -
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cedz636 wrote:We have been more than patient...the problem lies with the lack of communication. The vague, non-factual reply from CPM is proof of this. Patience only goes so far and can be tolerated so much when, as a fan base, we are left out of the loop (what little fan base Dust 514 has already without issues like this turning more and more players away every day). Me? I'll remain patient...Dust 514 is a good game, and it has the potential of being a great game, but I somehow feel I'm patiently awaiting the release of PS2 and Destiny on PS4 rather than the devs to pull this game up to even par. I speak for a lot of people when I say we're still gonna play, and wait, and play, and wait some more, but If CCP doesn't get with the program, I'm gone when the PS4 drops those titles. I mean come on...how hard is it to give us a roadmap of where Dust is going? It leads me to believe there isn't one, and the half-a$$ replies by CPMs and DEVs all over this forum support this theory.
I don't think the CPM is meant for information to travel from CCP to us... it's more to help get information from us to CCP. For some reason they seem to catch hell for a lot that really has nothing to do with them.
There are all kinds of known destinations on the roadmap... such as a player market, full racial suits, more weapons, some type of PVE, bigger maps with more concurrent players, and so on. The time frame... I've never seen one.
As I said on another thread... I still have fun. If that stops I'll take a break. It's that simple. |
Devil Music
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.06.15 21:12:00 -
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Its not so bad guys. Other games will be out soon, but the real soon, not some company standard SOON. dust is free it will keep you busy until the guys that are serious about making games can launch good stuff. |
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