DUST Search - Soon just doesn't cut it anymore!

Crash Monster wrote:

cedz636 wrote:

We have been more than patient...the problem lies with the lack of communication. The vague, non-factual reply from CPM is proof of this. Patience only goes so far and can be tolerated so much when, as a fan base, we are left out of the loop (what little fan base Dust 514 has already without issues like this turning more and more players away every day). Me? I'll remain patient...Dust 514 is a good game, and it has the potential of being a great game, but I somehow feel I'm patiently awaiting the release of PS2 and Destiny on PS4 rather than the devs to pull this game up to even par. I speak for a lot of people when I say we're still gonna play, and wait, and play, and wait some more, but If CCP doesn't get with the program, I'm gone when the PS4 drops those titles. I mean come on...how hard is it to give us a roadmap of where Dust is going? It leads me to believe there isn't one, and the half-a$$ replies by CPMs and DEVs all over this forum support this theory.

I don't think the CPM is meant for information to travel from CCP to us... it's more to help get information from us to CCP. For some reason they seem to catch hell for a lot that really has nothing to do with them.

There are all kinds of known destinations on the roadmap... such as a player market, full racial suits, more weapons, some type of PVE, bigger maps with more concurrent players, and so on. The time frame... I've never seen one.

As I said on another thread... I still have fun. If that stops I'll take a break. It's that simple.

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FoxFour Failed Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.06.15 21:15:00 - [31] - Quote Quit feeding crash monster the fanboi, he has 0 vallidity. He is in a 30 foot hole digging to china, same boat as IWS for that matter. VOTE WITH YOUR WALLET!!!!!
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 591	Posted - 2013.06.15 21:21:00 - [32] - Quote FoxFour Failed wrote: Quit feeding crash monster the fanboi, he has 0 vallidity. He is in a 30 foot hole digging to china, same boat as IWS for that matter. VOTE WITH YOUR WALLET!!!!! I don't know... since I am in the software industry I think I have more validity than a group of whiny teens who feel entitled to something and whine constantly about it. More seriously, you really think you can argue with the "if you don't have fun take a break" concept?
Dao Ferret BetaMax. CRONOS. 30	Posted - 2013.06.15 21:43:00 - [33] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: cedz636 wrote: We have been more than patient...the problem lies with the lack of communication. The vague, non-factual reply from CPM is proof of this. Patience only goes so far and can be tolerated so much when, as a fan base, we are left out of the loop (what little fan base Dust 514 has already without issues like this turning more and more players away every day). Me? I'll remain patient...Dust 514 is a good game, and it has the potential of being a great game, but I somehow feel I'm patiently awaiting the release of PS2 and Destiny on PS4 rather than the devs to pull this game up to even par. I speak for a lot of people when I say we're still gonna play, and wait, and play, and wait some more, but If CCP doesn't get with the program, I'm gone when the PS4 drops those titles. I mean come on...how hard is it to give us a roadmap of where Dust is going? It leads me to believe there isn't one, and the half-a$$ replies by CPMs and DEVs all over this forum support this theory. I don't think the CPM is meant for information to travel from CCP to us... it's more to help get information from us to CCP. For some reason they seem to catch hell for a lot that really has nothing to do with them. There are all kinds of known destinations on the roadmap... such as a player market, full racial suits, more weapons, some type of PVE, bigger maps with more concurrent players, and so on. The time frame... I've never seen one. As I said on another thread... I still have fun. If that stops I'll take a break. It's that simple. Bluntly I agree with this 100%. Lots of people seem to complain that "the CPM never tells us anything". Guess what folks? They CAN'T. I don't mean they don't want to, I mean they have signed NDAs (Non-Disclosure Agreements), with CCP. This is standard practice before ANY software company will show you things they haven't released to the public (all of us), and is necessary for the CPM to be able to comment on the features and help provide feedback. Until and unless CCP releases information to the public, either through a press release, or a dev talking about it, the CPM can't say squat, even if they know the feature is about to be released tomorrow.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 5197	Posted - 2013.06.15 22:19:00 - [34] - Quote Correct, because of the NDA there are things the CPM has seen but cannot share yet. There are some things though that we the CPM are expressing with CCP about things that are easy 'wins' with information that should reach you guys in various forms such as dev blogs and the sorts. One Dev blog is coming really soon featuring some neat things in 1.2. While CCP is still building up the studio the CPM is trying to help involve CCP into communications more when its reasonable, feasible, healthy, and most importantly useful. Telling us about destroyer HAVs and Bomber Dropships don't really help you guys that much. Getting them to tell you about the design goals behind the new plates, and the stats associated with them and asking for early feedback is much better use of CCP's communication routes. But thats the difference between marketing, directors, and developers. Because I have had plenty of chances to talk to CCP I can understand why some processes are taking longer than you guys are expecting. For example did you know they had to REDO every map for Uprising? Even though the maps themselves did not change they had to redo the terrain because the older maps were not future proofed and had to be rebuilt for the newer tech in its uses. There also been things on the road map CCP has put together that had to be scrapped because the realization of the tech is not feasible. Some things are on wishlist because they is no clear plan on reaching those goals and the things that are on the roadmap have prerequisites to be built beforehand. Dust 514 was once upon a time on a roadmap itself, Eve Online Planetary Action Phase 3. That was listed 10 years ago. Phase 1 Flying over planets (scrapped) Phase 2 Building Colonies (Currently Planetary Interaction) Phase 3 Ground level combat (Work in progresses) So in technicality Dust 514 development is about 11 years old just the tech for its possibility has been built backbone wise and its slowly growing into its own.
crazy space 1 Unkn0wn Killers 1357	Posted - 2013.06.15 23:00:00 - [35] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: It's not like you can draw a straight line on a calendar and simply declare when new capabilities will be done and worthy of release. People make estimates for a reason... . um.... http://www.planetside2.com/roadmap Sure you can
cedz636 ILL OM3NS 12	Posted - 2013.06.15 23:01:00 - [36] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am sorry but developers don't want to give you features that are half done. Then don't try to sell me on the devs not wanting to communicate with us. When Dust 514 released, and especially after Uprising, it still felt like it was in it's beta stages. The devs should WANT to keep us in the loop, not necessarily about new content...we can all wait for that...but about more important issues like glitches and weapons being ridiculously UP now (the MD for example). The whole purpose behind closed/open betas are to fix bugs and get feedback from players. They chose to release a title to the public that was not complete and then they hide behind their NDA's so they don't have to apologize for releasing a patch that was inferior to the original release. New content and when it's coming out is not the issue here. Maybe a roadmap is just not in CCPs best interest. Sure, the CPMs might know something but can't say. I totally understand and respect that, but when it comes to actual game mechanics, the devs should be more up front with what they are doing about it. I didn't mean the CPMs should inform us if future patch contents, but I believe they should inform us of fixes that are or are not in progress. It would seriously cut down on a lot of threads like this.
cedz636 ILL OM3NS 12	Posted - 2013.06.15 23:03:00 - [37] - Quote cedz636 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am sorry but developers don't want to give you features that are half done. Then don't try to sell me on the devs not wanting to communicate with us. When Dust 514 released, and especially after Uprising, it still felt like it was in it's beta stages. The devs should WANT to keep us in the loop, not necessarily about new content...we can all wait for that...but about more important issues like glitches and weapons being ridiculously UP now (the MD for example). The whole purpose behind closed/open betas are to fix bugs and get feedback from players. They chose to release a title to the public that was not complete and then they hide behind their NDA's so they don't have to apologize for releasing a patch that was inferior to the original release. New content and when it's coming out is not the issue here. Maybe a roadmap is just not in CCPs best interest. Sure, the CPMs might know something but can't say. I totally understand and respect that, but when it comes to actual game mechanics, the devs should be more up front with what they are doing about it. I didn't mean the CPMs should inform us of future patch contents and their release dates, but I believe they should inform us of fixes that are or are not in progress. It would seriously cut down on a lot of threads like this.
cedz636 ILL OM3NS 12	Posted - 2013.06.15 23:04:00 - [38] - Quote cedz636 wrote: cedz636 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am sorry but developers don't want to give you features that are half done. Then don't try to sell me on the devs not wanting to communicate with us. When Dust 514 released, and especially after Uprising, it still felt like it was in it's beta stages. The devs should WANT to keep us in the loop, not necessarily about new content...we can all wait for that...but about more important issues like glitches and weapons being ridiculously UP now (the MD for example). The whole purpose behind closed/open betas are to fix bugs and get feedback from players. They chose to release a title to the public that was not complete and then they hide behind their NDA's so they don't have to apologize for releasing a patch that was inferior to the original release. New content and when it's coming out is not the issue here. Maybe a roadmap is just not in CCPs best interest. Sure, the CPMs might know something but can't say. I totally understand and respect that, but when it comes to actual game mechanics, the devs should be more up front with what they are doing about it. I didn't mean the CPMs should inform us of future patch contents and their release dates, but I believe they should inform us of fixes that are or are not in progress. It would seriously cut down on a lot of threads like this.
Pubbie Scrublord Tackled In Belt xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx 10	Posted - 2013.06.15 23:04:00 - [39] - Quote You guys didn't see? Mintchip posted a really big, informative Dev Blog that helps air out all these concerns and issues.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 597	Posted - 2013.06.15 23:04:00 - [40] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: Crash Monster wrote: It's not like you can draw a straight line on a calendar and simply declare when new capabilities will be done and worthy of release. People make estimates for a reason... . um.... http://www.planetside2.com/roadmap Sure you can So far I see a fancy interface. I also see something that is not new... in that they are building on their own prior work. Feel free to grab a chunk of my text but miss the point.

crazy space 1 Unkn0wn Killers 1357	Posted - 2013.06.15 23:06:00 - [41] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: crazy space 1 wrote: Dust Project 514 wrote: Why is it that some gamers feel so entitled, that they can tell pubs/devs what to do with games, as if they are the ones funding what happens with the games? CCP will do it if/when they feel like it. They could just take you money and end the Dust 514 service and take it to PC. http://www.planetside2.com/roadmap God we are so entitled. It's not like other f2p FPS mmos do what the OP is saying for. CCP just really know how to run a game community, ima right? 75% of that road map was trashed in favor for MLG design. Ok, 1st of all, no. Those are all still being planned.... it's not july/agust/September yet... What you are talking about is how many of those features were panned for 3-9 months ago, but were pushed back due to MLG. However, no one got super mad, they were happy that the company was being transparent about what was going on. You are trying to argue that because they didn't do every single feature they allowed for community feedback on, they shouldn't of told the community their plans AT ALL. When the whole dust cmmunity is raging to get told whats ging on, even if features get canned or delays. Becuase we want to see whats happening, and we want to give some *****ING FEEDBACK before they shove it into the game without testing it. Also the 25% of features that did make it in made it in based on what the players voted highest on the list. People were like, yeah, ok, you can take away and delay 75% of the content you planned on and gave us dates, just hey, thanks for letting us have a say on what 25% got to stay in. You're a joke and I look forward to crushing you at reelection. the Scout LAV was released with no requests, no timeline, no preview, no feedback. AND IT SUCKS. dust is digging it's own grave vote me for me, vote for a shovel. WOW, a CPM member basically saying "Transparency is bad" You make me sick. Seriously, not even a day of beta testing for Planetary conquest? I MEAN REALLY? PS2 didn't just trash the plan without telling the community. I love when CCP chooses to cancel content the day before launch with zero headups. Oh yeah, I love being treated that way.
crazy space 1 Unkn0wn Killers 1357	Posted - 2013.06.15 23:14:00 - [42] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Well I am not trying to sell myself a completed game of next decade; today. Ok then, that can be your campaign slogan. Mine on the other hand is going to be Trying to sell you what dust will be in 2 months, today. Because 2 months od roadmaps is not unreasonable. AT ALL. In fact by staying to nothing they promise, CCP has most likely thrown away like 70% of the work they have done. What a waste. And to think this year their new corporate slogan is "focus" FOCUS, Riiiiiiiight. The only way they can't give us a 2 month roadmap would be because they don't even know what they will be working on in a month. It shows us they have no plan and don't want any player feedback. If the next july update comes out without a single step to get playerfeed back on the features and changes before patch day, people are going to leave this game in droves. Not because it's bad, but because there is no investment in the customer base.
Bubbles moon Algintal Core Gallente Federation 23	Posted - 2013.06.15 23:16:00 - [43] - Quote cedz636 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: There should be a new dev blog and podcast on the horizon though involving 1.2 Uprising. That's a start Hmmmm, you mean just like the last 15 dev blogs that were never released? psftt Dust 514, the greatest sandbox mmo ever made, you know, sometime on the horizon at least. Also why is "the horizon" only 2 weeks away? That's not a horizon! **** YOU IRON WOLF SABER
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 599	Posted - 2013.06.15 23:19:00 - [44] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: You are trying to argue that because they didn't do every single feature they allowed for community feedback on, they shouldn't of told the community their plans AT ALL. When the whole dust cmmunity is raging to get told whats ging on, even if features get canned or delays. Becuase we want to see whats happening, and we want to give some *****ING FEEDBACK before they shove it into the game without testing it. Maybe the dust community needs to realize that they aren't on the inside any more. They are not beta testers and they aren't going to have the same relationship with CCP that they used to. I don't intend any insult... but things have moved past that stage now (whether or not you or I think it should have). This is CCP's baby, not ours, let go of it.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 599	Posted - 2013.06.15 23:20:00 - [45] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: FOCUS, Riiiiiiiight. The only way they can't give us a 2 month roadmap would be because they don't even know what they will be working on in a month. It shows us they have no plan and don't want any player feedback. The butthurt is strong in this one.
crazy space 1 Unkn0wn Killers 1357	Posted - 2013.06.15 23:24:00 - [46] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: crazy space 1 wrote: You are trying to argue that because they didn't do every single feature they allowed for community feedback on, they shouldn't of told the community their plans AT ALL. When the whole dust cmmunity is raging to get told whats ging on, even if features get canned or delays. Becuase we want to see whats happening, and we want to give some ***ING FEEDBACK before they shove it into the game without testing it. Maybe the dust community needs to realize that they aren't on the inside any more. They are not beta testers and they aren't going to have the same relationship with CCP that they used to. I don't intend any insult... but things have moved past that stage now (whether or not you or I think it should have). This is CCP's baby, not ours, let go of it. 1st off we got 6 months of black out during beta that ended with a release that we had no idea about. So yeah, NO ** THAT. 2nd, PS2, guildwars2, WoW, Starcraft2, Eve online, all keep their customers in the loop after beta. with advanced warning 1-2 months in advanced in order to take in player feedback. And finally, you sound like someone with an abusive relationship. http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/ http://www.planetside2.com/roadmap http://www.zam.com/story.html?story=27679 world of tanks Even Sim City keeps it's playerbase more in the loop than CCP does.
crazy space 1 Unkn0wn Killers 1357	Posted - 2013.06.15 23:27:00 - [47] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: crazy space 1 wrote: FOCUS, Riiiiiiiight. The only way they can't give us a 2 month roadmap would be because they don't even know what they will be working on in a month. It shows us they have no plan and don't want any player feedback. The butthurt is strong in this one. Yeah that's the point. Good job , now try keeping up. unlike most people I've been here for 9 years I'm not going anywhere until everyone else leaves. I'll spend every last moment trying to make dust a game people will continue to play. What's your plan. You sound just like people who were saying "Oh people shouldn't be mad that incarna is a single Minmatar room in every racial station, people are sooooo butt hurt" Releases patches with ZERO HEADS UP, should hurt your butt too. If your butt doesn't hurt, go visit a doctor.
cedz636 ILL OM3NS 13	Posted - 2013.06.15 23:33:00 - [48] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: [quote=crazy space 1] I don't intend any insult... but things have moved past that stage now (whether or not you or I think it should have). This is CCP's baby, not ours, let go of it. Actually, like any other form of art and entertainment, once it's released it becomes the public's baby. Sure CCP pioneered the idea and made it happen, but we are the blood that keeps it this baby alive. CCP are now the maintenance men and window washers, there to keep things polished and working nicely. Nobody likes dead babies.
PlanetsideTwo F2P2013PS4 Shining Flame Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2013.06.15 23:55:00 - [49] - Quote It takes time when you only have a 28 man team. Confirmed over 200 people developing Planetside 2 with dedicated servers
cedz636 ILL OM3NS 15	Posted - 2013.06.16 00:03:00 - [50] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: [quote=Crash Monster][quote=crazy space 1] Releases patches with ZERO HEADS UP, should hurt your butt too. If your butt doesn't hurt, go visit a doctor. Or you just got of prison and you're still used to it.

crazy space 1 Unkn0wn Killers 1358	Posted - 2013.06.16 00:06:00 - [51] - Quote cedz636 wrote: Crash Monster wrote: I don't intend any insult... but things have moved past that stage now (whether or not you or I think it should have). This is CCP's baby, not ours, let go of it. Actually, like any other form of art and entertainment, once it's released it becomes the public's baby. Sure CCP pioneered the idea and made it happen, but we are the blood that keeps it this baby alive. CCP are now the maintenance men and window washers, there to keep things polished and working nicely. Nobody likes dead babies. If anything normally a BETA has less player input because development can change directions in a moment. Once it's released player feedback and communication increase.... PlanetsideTwo F2P2013PS4 wrote: It takes time when you only have a 28 man team. Confirmed over 200 people developing Planetside 2 with dedicated servers dust has 100+ devs When eve online had 12 devs they still kept in communication with over 100 blogs a year on average since the games beta.
crazy space 1 Unkn0wn Killers 1358	Posted - 2013.06.16 00:07:00 - [52] - Quote sry
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 607	Posted - 2013.06.16 00:11:00 - [53] - Quote LOL, have you guys listened to yourselves. You think CCP has to touch base with you on everything? Sure, it would be nice, but they don't have to do jack **. I don't care if CCP ever tells me they are releasing patches or not. The game will change. I'll adapt. If I get pissed I'll leave instead of throwing * all about the forum like a primate. When you get to the point that you think YOUR comments and advice are the only thing that can save CCP you are very **ing deluded. Me, I know I'm nobody. I'm playing the game because the current issues don't stop me from having fun. Well, when the server is up anyway. Yes, I'm also aware of all the "customer is always right" and "listen to the customer" baloney. This is CCP. I expect they'll tough it out while you cryhards empty your bowels here daily... put out new content and fix glitches and things over time... and many of us will be happy to play even if the game doesn't get your certificate of approval. Hey, I just figured why some of the cryhards don't leave... their egos are so inflated they can't get out the door.
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 606	Posted - 2013.06.16 00:13:00 - [54] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am sorry but developers don't want to give you features that are half done. And yet...
crazy space 1 Unkn0wn Killers 1358	Posted - 2013.06.16 00:14:00 - [55] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: LOL, have you guys listened to yourselves. You think CCP has to touch base with you on everything? Sure, it would be nice, but they don't have to do jack ****. I don't care if CCP ever tells me they are releasing patches or not. SUCK IT http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/archive/2003/ http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/archive/2004/ http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/archive/2005/ http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/archive/2006/ http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/archive/2007/ http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/archive/2008/ http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/archive/2009/ http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/archive/2010/ http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/archive/2011/ http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/archive/2012/ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=271 So yeah, I have come to expect CCP to touch base with it's customers in order to improve the game and get player feedback before a feature is release. In fact, you can even play the new Eve Online expansion on the test server over 1-2 months before an expansion hits. You SHOULD care.
spoony moon Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 19	Posted - 2013.06.16 00:15:00 - [56] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am sorry but developers don't want to give you features that are half done. And yet... EXACTLY
Brutus Va'Khan Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 18	Posted - 2013.06.16 00:24:00 - [57] - Quote This game should have never left beta IMO. At least the fanboys would have a better excuse to fall on.
fenrir storm Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 350	Posted - 2013.06.16 10:56:00 - [58] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: I get some of this same non-comprehension from management at work. I'm in the computing field and people think creating something new and complex is like filling in boxes in a spreadsheet. Sorry, creativity takes time. Inspiration has to strike. You try out the idea. Maybe it works. Maybe it doesn't. It's not like you can draw a straight line on a calendar and simply declare when new capabilities will be done and worthy of release. People make estimates for a reason... Some of you need to grow up and develop some patience. The world moves at the pace it does... no matter how fast you want it to go. We had patience in beta and told them of issues bugs balance and nothing got fixed , the inspiration you talk about takes longer than 6 years to come to fruition ? CCp were told in beta the game was just not good enough or ready with features missing and we were told it would all be sorted "SOON" But they released any way and now you have this situation were players are wondering where most of the basic stuff is and what is there dosnt work, Communication would go some way to alleviate some of the discord that is present on the forums but since day 1 this has been one of the worst games I have ever been involved in testing and through it's so called release for the devs to pass on information To be quite honest I think the task is beyond CCP and I think it's time they though about out sourcing most of the work to an indie dev (thats if any would touch this mediocre product) and let them help to try to sort out dust.
Shion Typhon Intara Direct Action Caldari State 54	Posted - 2013.06.16 12:50:00 - [59] - Quote Dust Project 514 wrote: that they can tell pubs/devs what to do with games, as if they are the ones funding what happens with the games? Hahahaha, OMG .... Wait ... not sure if srs ...
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 626	Posted - 2013.06.16 12:55:00 - [60] - Quote I've said it a million times... but if and when I stop having fun I'll stop playing. Short of that, this is a free to play game... so they owe me absolutely nothing. Strangely, that makes it hard for me to be upset about what they do. Try it... if you let go of your expectations it's a lot harder to be butthurt by reality when it arrives.



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