Yea 500M a month is a plex and thats pretty awesome, but I can pull like 100M an hour (200M with salvage) just killing stuff in null belts and anoms. I mean I understand that passive gains are awesome beacuse you can have that going on the side and also do something else, but for this then you have to show up for Orbitals, risk your ship because you can be seen in the whole sec, then you have to pay the mercs to defend your Poco.

What I was saying is that people like PI because its really low risk and not expensive to get into. This is going to change that and make it a much less attactive proposition. However I am sure it can be balanced and with the coming Ice Mining nerf in EVE I am sure anything Fuel related will become a gold mine Isk wise.

Iterating on FW, corporations, communication, and the such while we monitor planetary conquest and look at what we want to do there.

Player Owned Customs Office (POCO) is the answer to many current challenges in Dust .

To Dusties unfamiliar to what a POCO is , it is a space station above a planet , Eve players use this space station as a link to move resources (PI) from the planet into space and then to respective markets . Every planet can have one POCO anchored to it .The owner of this POCO sets a tax rate so everything you move through this space station from the planet you have to pay x amount of tax on the total value of shipment.

Ownership of this little feature can make or break the viability for everyone farming on the planet and is well worth fighting for. In high sec Concord own these stations so its a no go zone but as far as low GÇô sec , nul GÇô sec and wormholes go ..... its player owned.

If Eve players had to start putting contracts out for defending or attacking these POKOS , suddenly there will be a HUGE platform for additional interaction namely:
-This will give the opportunity for the big block Dust alliances to have additional stream of revenue and action.
-It will allow the medium and small Dust Corps to also get involved and make extra ISK.
-Due to the fact that there are so many planets being used for PI there will be more than enough action for everyone.
-I really like the fact that you as an Eve player can have a whole Dust corp on your pay role ...and donGÇÖt have to be a super power to make use of the Dust Corporations.
-Its not complicated, the Dust corp attacking the POCO and winning the match takes over the station and hand ownership over to new owner for a fee. GÇô
-A nice change if we could have a map/structure resembling a space station and fighting in it.
-Add additional game play where an Eve pilot have to collect DUST players in a ship from the MCC and deliver them to the POCO ( Its not a long trip ). So there is a chance that the whole squad and Eve pilot can get blown up by other Eve pilots or the defender.

Not that many extra features to be implemented except for an additional map to really make this a reality.

Hope this gets noticed.
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I'm not sure it would be worth it. EVE players only make like100-150 million a month from PI per character, the poco makes a percentage of that. So if the tax is like 10% adn 3 players are making like 150 mill a month, that poco is like 45M a month revenue . Given that it cost us 80M per district I'm not sure the funding would be there. Mostly PI in EVE is a way to make some ISK on the side when you are bored more then an active career.

My math may be off because I don't mess with Pocos in space. I weighed the option and found Carrier belt ratting to be much more profitable.

Yea 500M a month is a plex and thats pretty awesome, but I can pull like 100M an hour (200M with salvage) just killing stuff in null belts and anoms. I mean I understand that passive gains are awesome beacuse you can have that going on the side and also do something else, but for this then you have to show up for Orbitals, risk your ship because you can be seen in the whole sec, then you have to pay the mercs to defend your Poco.

What I was saying is that people like PI because its really low risk and not expensive to get into. This is going to change that and make it a much less attactive proposition. However I am sure it can be balanced and with the coming Ice Mining nerf in EVE I am sure anything Fuel related will become a gold mine Isk wise.

OK, but big block DUST alliances already kind of have planetary conquest.



This is kind of completley counter to your first point isn't it? When the large groups can participate what is to stop them from just rolling the rest?

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... I have to stop you here... OK maybe not stop you, since you already posted everything and I can't really stop you, but this is... well yea wrong.

So I am assuming we are just talking game mechanics here, not implementation challenges. So lets just talk about that for a few minutes. What happens when the POCO is reinforced? Why would EVE players even care if a DUST corp takes it when all they have to do is take it back and the DUST corp can't do anything? HOW does a EVE corp contract DUST players to fight? Especially when we don't have ISK transfer in yet. How do reinforcement timers work? What happens if it is attacked during the battle? Or the EVE corps trade it while the attack is underway? How do existing mechanics like vehicle drops, warbarge strikes, and the like all work? This is just what I thought of in a few minutes, I am sure there are more.

All solvable things sure, but all things that need to be thought of.


This is my biggest... well facepalm moment:
- Viewing where POCOs are
- Viewing a list of your owned POCO
- Changing POCO settings
- In EVE POCOS set TAX based on standings. DUST has no concept of standings.
- A way to view and accept contracts from EVE players. I suppose also a way to issue them.
- A way in EVE to issue contracts to defend/attack POCOS.
- New maps
- New game modes (no MCC inside a POCO)
- New art assets for said map
- Figuring out all the design issues sort of listed above.
- A way in EVE to see fights for POCOs going on
- Probably want some way EVE players can help/influence the fights
- All the QA for all this stuff
- The documentation for community teams
- The automated tests
- more I am sure, I just haven't thought of it
- POCOs for EVE are not done with CREST, CREST is what DUST uses. This means all POCO features probably need to be moved to CREST. That is more development time, more testing, and more stuff.



Noticed it did. As I said at the beginning I don't want to come off as an ass or anything. The bang for buck on this though, when looking at everything else we can do, is really low.

There are still lots of big wins to be had with iterating on facitonal warfare, planetary conquest, corporation management, arena battles, and a plethora of other things.

That being said, this is of course a cool idea. :D

Standby, post incoming. This is taking some time to write. Looking numbers up in DB even. O_O

Hope you are happy.

It doesn't make sense to me that mercs on the ground are attacking the POCO in space. However, if you consider the space elevator is attached to that POCO, that means there is an installation at both ends of the elevator. The POCO in space remains conquerable by Eve pilots and the installation on the ground is conquerable by Dust mercs. Both ends could have different tax settings and owners. CCP could seed Interbus installations on all the planets initially and as merc ownership spreads throughout the galaxy these would be destroyed and replaced with player owned destructible installations.

Why not take that elevator ride up and introduce the pilots to some cqc?

I never understood why we have these floaty canisters called POCOs in EVE when the lore / books were talking about space elevators long before.

Space elevator > space canister.

Mercs on a Titan!

Nugget on a biscuit!

16 Dust mercs rampaging through a space station about the size of a basketball court killing all the customs workers?

+1 to this stuff. Had a great conversation with some Eve guys at Fanfest regarding something like this.

Sure but a POCO is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay bigger than a basketball court

Perhaps bigger but not way bigger. Pull a rifter up next to it. It's not that big.

You've not actually flown up to one, have you? A Viator is the size of the light on the top... and that is a small light.

I don't remember them being huge compared to my mammoth but I haven't flown up to one in weeks plus I'm old and my mind is foggy.

Have you played a match of DUST and gotten both teams all around one objective or another close space? Open maps are kind of done for more than big pretty spaces.

Hack null cannons to destroy hostile Customs Office.