DUST Search - POCO'S - CCP DO IT NOW !!!!!

Killar-12 wrote:

Captain Africa Clone1 wrote:

Killar-12 wrote:

Captain Africa Clone1 wrote:

Operative 1171 Aajli wrote:

I thought the whole long term idea was for the planets to have to be taken over by a corp using DUST mercs in order to do anything else with it and collect resources from both planet and moons.

If there is anything less planned then the EVE/DUST connection is a joke.

As I stated in another post GÇö there is too much going on in EVE otherwise for DUST to matter unless CCP backpedals and makes planets the only means to gain valuable resources.

Then maybe we'd see fleet battles raging over planets and DUST mercs would matter to EVE.

Planetary interaction is huge in Eve , its more on a individual basis where players harvest and produce resources. Dust is about Mercs so from my point of view where not industrialists. CCP however decided to continue with Planetary conquest and it turned out to be more for the bigger alliances making Mega ISK but excluding the medium and small corps. I knew that PC would be run by big alliances the same way null are run by big Eve coalitions.

The beauty of the POCO idea is that you don't have to produce anything , you just take them over or defend them as a corp or accept a contract from an Eve player. Controlling a POCO gives you the right to set a tax rate , however if you set it to high you run the risk of your farmers packing up and leave. So there needs to be a good balance in order to ensure a long term passive income for the corp that holds a POCO.

Ownership of POCOS should not just be for DUST players , Eve players should also be able to take ownership of POCOS via current Eve game mechanics.

There are so many of these planets each with a POCO that it would kick start most current Dust corporations into having ownership or the opportunity to defend Eve players planetary resources which in return will kick start the Eve Dust link immediately.

All the POCOS have the same space station so CCP only have to develope one MAP that could be used for all POCOS. Sure there would be some major input but what you are getting is what every one wants .....:)

If I was the CCP CEO this would be my first priority .....besides it would be great to war in space , it would bring you so much closer to the new Eden experience ......

No...

LOL and my dear Sir who the **** might you be ?

Tired, and a person with more likes than you

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Captain Africa Clone1 GRIM MARCH 82	Posted - 2013.07.02 09:58:00 - [121] - Quote ALL HAIL THE POCO ....
Captain Africa Clone1 GRIM MARCH 84	Posted - 2013.07.03 11:39:00 - [122] - Quote SAVE THE POCO IDEA !!!!!!
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 161	Posted - 2013.07.03 13:54:00 - [123] - Quote Bump
Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F 841	Posted - 2013.07.03 13:57:00 - [124] - Quote Captain Africa Clone1 wrote: Our corp lost about 3 bil to change Poco ownership in a wormhole , just another reason for ccp to make this happen.... :\
Captain Africa Clone1 GRIM MARCH 85	Posted - 2013.07.04 06:45:00 - [125] - Quote Draxus Prime wrote: Captain Africa Clone1 wrote: Our corp lost about 3 bil to change Poco ownership in a wormhole , just another reason for ccp to make this happen.... :\ In Eve you have to first shoot the POCO into reinforcement mode , because its a pretty big structure its takes time to take the shields down. After this there is a timer for all to see , from starting till it runs out of reinforcement. So its like a big bill board when your corp will be back at the POCO to finally shoot it into structure. We were in two carriers , a talos and a logi ...just as we got it into structure all hell broke loose as ships warped in and started pounding us. It was a good fight but we lost all our ships. Now if we could hire Dusties , man the risk would be sooooo much less. So yea Dust players taking POCOS in Eve is a very viable option.
Captain Africa Clone1 GRIM MARCH 86	Posted - 2013.07.05 06:28:00 - [126] - Quote I really like the idea of an Eve player installing defense systems in his POCO , like MTAC'S , mines , booby traps and turrets to defend his station in space. This in itself will make it a challenge for Dust squads to reinforce the facility. As an Eve player it will give me great sense of power if I have Mercs on my pay roll whether it is to defend my **** or to attack and take over someone else s assets and generate a passive income from it. A new breed in New Eden ...The POCO War Lords.
Captain Africa Clone1 GRIM MARCH 97	Posted - 2013.07.10 10:30:00 - [127] - Quote POCO'S ......the answer to all your challanges CCP. Consider it ...please
Oso Peresoso RisingSuns 260	Posted - 2013.07.10 21:03:00 - [128] - Quote OP made a much too complicated idea. I have ideas to make it simpler. FoxFour, I want responses on this. Problems: Dust has very little Mercenary feel to it, despite being a game about being a Merc. Planetary Conquest is not very Merc-like if you're fighting to own the planets yourself instead of fighting for cash at your own discretion. The need for a contract battle system is nearly universally recognized to both improve the Dust experience and strengthen the EVE-Dust connection that is now lacking in concrete features. If my previous comment was not clear enough, mercenaries do not need to own things or defend their stuff, they need to fight for money when they feel like it. Opportunities: Mercs fight on planets. Eve has lots of planets. Planets make stuff for the Eve economy. PI is a player-level thing, POCOs are a corp-level thing. POCOs already supposed to be lowsec conflict-drivers, POCOs already exist, POCOs are a proven way to control the PI on a planet, and EVE players already fight over POCOs, reinforcement mechanics exist. Basic points: -Make EVE corps still own the POCOs, not give them to Dust players. -In the absence of the either party voluntarily seeking Dust support, POCO takeover mechanics would remain more or less the same. -EVE corps still would issue contracts to attack POCOs. This is great because Dust players would not need to be involved in ownership, management, or otherwise major investment (optional collateral terms set by contract issuer). Any Dust corp would be able to apply, and their involvement would primarily be limited to getting the contract, shooting people and blowing stuff up, and getting paid. MERCENARY STUFF. No burnout, take as many or as few contracts as desired, no major isk investments. Easy Access on the Dust side is key because there's a lot of planets, potentially a lot of contracts, and we do not want this gameplay to be exclusive to the super-elite dust corps that are already doing PC, this will instead be an EVE-DUST interaction available to anyone. -Merc contract battle happens right before POCO exits the first reinforcement timer, with the outcome of the single battle influencing how it will behave upon exiting reinforcement. The ground battle should change the dynamics of what's happening in space, but will never trump it. If you win the space battle outright and quickly, the outcome of the ground battle won't matter much. Details and Implementation: -Although many would plan such contracts privately ahead of time, there would still need to be some kind of interface to do this, and this is probably one of the bigger hurdles in this imagining. -To simplify implementation and reduce the raw number of POCOs up for grabs, this would initially only be rolled out for temperate/barren maps (interestingly enough the only ones allowing hi-tech industrial processors), allowing for surface fighting. Iterations can include maps for fighting inside pocos, fighting on ice planets, whatever. -The Merc Contract Battle can only occur when the defending POCO is in reinforced mode, preferably in a 3 hour window just prior to it exiting reinforced mode. Who does the reinforcing naturally wouldn't matter. Contracts can be issued the moment it enters reinforced but there would be some time limit, probably less than 12 hours after it is reinforced. ---it would be interesting to allow contracts to be issued before the POCO enters reinforced, with such contracts requiring a preset time window and would automatically close if the reinforcement does not occur. -Precision strikes or warbarge strikes would not be permitted, only orbital strikes. This means that whoever is in space in the hours prior to reinforcement has an effect on the battlefield. Potential effects of winning the ground battle. Needs input from Eve players, understanding of what people would be willing to pay for the effects they might get. Attacker wins: -Internal cooldown of POCO reinforcement mechanism, making the POCO vulnerable to destruction for 24-48 hours even if repaired. Probably a bit unfair to the defender as the attacker could kill the POCO while avoiding a space-fight. -POCO raise the threshold to save the POCO to 50-75% shields instead of 25% -POCO experiences armor decay that will destroy the POCO in 3-6 hours unless its shields reach 50-75% or something, necessitating armor repair until its shields regenerate or shield repair prior to the armor hitting 0%. Defender wins: -POCO gets an armor reinforcement cycle. -POCO exits reinforced mode with 25% or 50% shields, with 75% being the threshold to trigger another shield reinforcement cycle. -Significantly and temporarily increased POCO shield regen speed upon exiting reinforcement. Contract system. This is the big one balance-wise. Lots of pitfalls to avoid. Simplest way is to only hold a battle if both sides issue a contract, but this would result in lots of blueballs and no-shows, although this could be OK if the Mercs get some of the pay and the contract issuer gets the effect of winning the ground battle. We can ensure a battle takes place by auto-issuing a contract when one side does and the other doesn't, but this also leads to problems (does the system subsidize people that don't issue a contract, thus dis-incentivizing those that do? or are they simply paid less leading to pubstomping? Is pubstomping an issue when corps voluntarily take a contract? Will the people who take up auto-generated contracts just AFK ?). My original thought was to require the attacker to issue a contract first, with the defender getting an auto-generated one if the defender doesn't manually issue one. Lastly, there would need to be a report system so the Eve players paying for this can get some verification that fighting is actually happening.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 279	Posted - 2013.07.18 15:09:00 - [129] - Quote Bump, because we don't talk enough about EVE interaction.
Captain Africa Clone1 GRIM MARCH 111	Posted - 2013.07.22 10:14:00 - [130] - Quote Lets do it !

Robert JD Niewiadomski NULLIMPEX INC 367	Posted - 2013.07.22 11:37:00 - [131] - Quote Captain Africa Clone1 wrote: Lets do it ! I concur

CCP FoxFour C C P C C P Alliance 26019	Posted - 2013.07.22 11:49:00 - [132] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: Bump, because we don't talk enough about EVE interaction. If you want to talk about EVE/DUST interaction can we start a new discussion? This one has kind of run it's course no?

Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 311	Posted - 2013.07.22 12:05:00 - [133] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Bump, because we don't talk enough about EVE interaction. If you want to talk about EVE/DUST interaction can we start a new discussion? This one has kind of run it's course no? I'm just trying to save space, I'd be more than happy to start a new one.
Captain Africa Clone1 GRIM MARCH 116	Posted - 2013.07.23 06:15:00 - [134] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Bump, because we don't talk enough about EVE interaction. If you want to talk about EVE/DUST interaction can we start a new discussion? This one has kind of run it's course no? Hey Foxy Soxy what do you mean it has run its course ....we haven't even started ! LOL dont you see the value in this ? Cmon bro this is HUGE BANG FOR BUCK as you would put it. I will try and keep supporting this until I can run around in a space station (POCO) shooting your foxy ass lol. Bro instead of fighting us , join us , make this dream happen ....this will work on so many levels. I will personally send you a POCO badge if you make this happen :) So what you say Mr CCP FoxFour ? Ps......I know you want to lol
Captain Africa Clone1 GRIM MARCH 123	Posted - 2013.08.14 14:11:00 - [135] - Quote
Captain Africa Clone1 GRIM MARCH 124	Posted - 2013.08.18 21:14:00 - [136] - Quote Pocos ...Its dry but you can drink it lol
Turtle Hermit Roshi Famous.OTF Only The Famous 6	Posted - 2013.08.19 13:15:00 - [137] - Quote im sold i want it i need it MAKE IT HAPPEN CCP
Captain Africa Clone1 GRIM MARCH 131	Posted - 2013.08.27 09:24:00 - [138] - Quote Devs you heard the man ..make it happen ...pretty please
Grog Jaeger DUST University Ivy League 2	Posted - 2013.08.27 22:01:00 - [139] - Quote I would really like to see this happen. I need a new environment to die in. How do resources from planet get to POCO? Could a squad just sneak into cargo uplift system and get free ride to the POCO. Upon arrival, nasty surprise for POCO inhabitants. Vehicles limited to LAVS/APC equivalent. Don't really see how HAV would not breach hull within a few shots.
XxGhazbaranxX Bannana Boat Corp 301	Posted - 2013.08.28 09:26:00 - [140] - Quote I would actually love for the pocos being fought for Dust side, so if someone wants to take a poco they have to fight for it via a PC battle and the owner of the districs wins the poco, in tur ownership can besold or tranfered to other corps,

Captain Africa Clone1 GRIM MARCH 138	Posted - 2013.09.11 07:09:00 - [141] - Quote o7
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3338	Posted - 2013.09.11 07:39:00 - [142] - Quote What's the skill multiplier on Thread Necro?
Captain Africa Clone1 GRIM MARCH 138	Posted - 2013.09.11 07:42:00 - [143] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: What's the skill multiplier on Thread Necro? If it was up to me x3 lol
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 294	Posted - 2013.09.11 07:57:00 - [144] - Quote I thought the whole long term idea was for the planets to have to be taken over by a corp using DUST mercs in order to do anything else with it and collect resources from both planet and moons. If there is anything less planned then the EVE/DUST connection is a joke. As I stated in another post GÇö there is too much going on in EVE otherwise for DUST to matter unless CCP backpedals and makes planets the only means to gain valuable resources. Then maybe we'd see fleet battles raging over planets and DUST mercs would matter to EVE.
Captain Africa Clone1 GRIM MARCH 138	Posted - 2013.09.12 05:50:00 - [145] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: I thought the whole long term idea was for the planets to have to be taken over by a corp using DUST mercs in order to do anything else with it and collect resources from both planet and moons. If there is anything less planned then the EVE/DUST connection is a joke. As I stated in another post GÇö there is too much going on in EVE otherwise for DUST to matter unless CCP backpedals and makes planets the only means to gain valuable resources. Then maybe we'd see fleet battles raging over planets and DUST mercs would matter to EVE. Planetary interaction is huge in Eve , its more on a individual basis where players harvest and produce resources. Dust is about Mercs so from my point of view where not industrialists. CCP however decided to continue with Planetary conquest and it turned out to be more for the bigger alliances making Mega ISK but excluding the medium and small corps. I knew that PC would be run by big alliances the same way null are run by big Eve coalitions. The beauty of the POCO idea is that you don't have to produce anything , you just take them over or defend them as a corp or accept a contract from an Eve player. Controlling a POCO gives you the right to set a tax rate , however if you set it to high you run the risk of your farmers packing up and leave. So there needs to be a good balance in order to ensure a long term passive income for the corp that holds a POCO. Ownership of POCOS should not just be for DUST players , Eve players should also be able to take ownership of POCOS via current Eve game mechanics. There are so many of these planets each with a POCO that it would kick start most current Dust corporations into having ownership or the opportunity to defend Eve players planetary resources which in return will kick start the Eve Dust link immediately. All the POCOS have the same space station so CCP only have to develope one MAP that could be used for all POCOS. Sure there would be some major input but what you are getting is what every one wants .....:) If I was the CCP CEO this would be my first priority .....besides it would be great to war in space , it would bring you so much closer to the new Eden experience ......
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders 1083	Posted - 2013.09.12 06:00:00 - [146] - Quote Captain Africa Clone1 wrote: Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: I thought the whole long term idea was for the planets to have to be taken over by a corp using DUST mercs in order to do anything else with it and collect resources from both planet and moons. If there is anything less planned then the EVE/DUST connection is a joke. As I stated in another post GÇö there is too much going on in EVE otherwise for DUST to matter unless CCP backpedals and makes planets the only means to gain valuable resources. Then maybe we'd see fleet battles raging over planets and DUST mercs would matter to EVE. Planetary interaction is huge in Eve , its more on a individual basis where players harvest and produce resources. Dust is about Mercs so from my point of view where not industrialists. CCP however decided to continue with Planetary conquest and it turned out to be more for the bigger alliances making Mega ISK but excluding the medium and small corps. I knew that PC would be run by big alliances the same way null are run by big Eve coalitions. The beauty of the POCO idea is that you don't have to produce anything , you just take them over or defend them as a corp or accept a contract from an Eve player. Controlling a POCO gives you the right to set a tax rate , however if you set it to high you run the risk of your farmers packing up and leave. So there needs to be a good balance in order to ensure a long term passive income for the corp that holds a POCO. Ownership of POCOS should not just be for DUST players , Eve players should also be able to take ownership of POCOS via current Eve game mechanics. There are so many of these planets each with a POCO that it would kick start most current Dust corporations into having ownership or the opportunity to defend Eve players planetary resources which in return will kick start the Eve Dust link immediately. All the POCOS have the same space station so CCP only have to develope one MAP that could be used for all POCOS. Sure there would be some major input but what you are getting is what every one wants .....:) If I was the CCP CEO this would be my first priority .....besides it would be great to war in space , it would bring you so much closer to the new Eden experience ...... No...
Captain Africa Clone1 GRIM MARCH 138	Posted - 2013.09.12 06:05:00 - [147] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: Captain Africa Clone1 wrote: Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: I thought the whole long term idea was for the planets to have to be taken over by a corp using DUST mercs in order to do anything else with it and collect resources from both planet and moons. If there is anything less planned then the EVE/DUST connection is a joke. As I stated in another post GÇö there is too much going on in EVE otherwise for DUST to matter unless CCP backpedals and makes planets the only means to gain valuable resources. Then maybe we'd see fleet battles raging over planets and DUST mercs would matter to EVE. Planetary interaction is huge in Eve , its more on a individual basis where players harvest and produce resources. Dust is about Mercs so from my point of view where not industrialists. CCP however decided to continue with Planetary conquest and it turned out to be more for the bigger alliances making Mega ISK but excluding the medium and small corps. I knew that PC would be run by big alliances the same way null are run by big Eve coalitions. The beauty of the POCO idea is that you don't have to produce anything , you just take them over or defend them as a corp or accept a contract from an Eve player. Controlling a POCO gives you the right to set a tax rate , however if you set it to high you run the risk of your farmers packing up and leave. So there needs to be a good balance in order to ensure a long term passive income for the corp that holds a POCO. Ownership of POCOS should not just be for DUST players , Eve players should also be able to take ownership of POCOS via current Eve game mechanics. There are so many of these planets each with a POCO that it would kick start most current Dust corporations into having ownership or the opportunity to defend Eve players planetary resources which in return will kick start the Eve Dust link immediately. All the POCOS have the same space station so CCP only have to develope one MAP that could be used for all POCOS. Sure there would be some major input but what you are getting is what every one wants .....:) If I was the CCP CEO this would be my first priority .....besides it would be great to war in space , it would bring you so much closer to the new Eden experience ...... No... LOL and my dear Sir who the **** might you be ?
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders 1083	Posted - 2013.09.12 06:15:00 - [148] - Quote Captain Africa Clone1 wrote: Killar-12 wrote: Captain Africa Clone1 wrote: Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: I thought the whole long term idea was for the planets to have to be taken over by a corp using DUST mercs in order to do anything else with it and collect resources from both planet and moons. If there is anything less planned then the EVE/DUST connection is a joke. As I stated in another post GÇö there is too much going on in EVE otherwise for DUST to matter unless CCP backpedals and makes planets the only means to gain valuable resources. Then maybe we'd see fleet battles raging over planets and DUST mercs would matter to EVE. Planetary interaction is huge in Eve , its more on a individual basis where players harvest and produce resources. Dust is about Mercs so from my point of view where not industrialists. CCP however decided to continue with Planetary conquest and it turned out to be more for the bigger alliances making Mega ISK but excluding the medium and small corps. I knew that PC would be run by big alliances the same way null are run by big Eve coalitions. The beauty of the POCO idea is that you don't have to produce anything , you just take them over or defend them as a corp or accept a contract from an Eve player. Controlling a POCO gives you the right to set a tax rate , however if you set it to high you run the risk of your farmers packing up and leave. So there needs to be a good balance in order to ensure a long term passive income for the corp that holds a POCO. Ownership of POCOS should not just be for DUST players , Eve players should also be able to take ownership of POCOS via current Eve game mechanics. There are so many of these planets each with a POCO that it would kick start most current Dust corporations into having ownership or the opportunity to defend Eve players planetary resources which in return will kick start the Eve Dust link immediately. All the POCOS have the same space station so CCP only have to develope one MAP that could be used for all POCOS. Sure there would be some major input but what you are getting is what every one wants .....:) If I was the CCP CEO this would be my first priority .....besides it would be great to war in space , it would bring you so much closer to the new Eden experience ...... No... LOL and my dear Sir who the **** might you be ? Tired, and a person with more likes than you
Captain Africa Clone1 GRIM MARCH 138	Posted - 2013.09.12 06:18:00 - [149] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: Captain Africa Clone1 wrote: Killar-12 wrote: Captain Africa Clone1 wrote: Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: I thought the whole long term idea was for the planets to have to be taken over by a corp using DUST mercs in order to do anything else with it and collect resources from both planet and moons. If there is anything less planned then the EVE/DUST connection is a joke. As I stated in another post GÇö there is too much going on in EVE otherwise for DUST to matter unless CCP backpedals and makes planets the only means to gain valuable resources. Then maybe we'd see fleet battles raging over planets and DUST mercs would matter to EVE. Planetary interaction is huge in Eve , its more on a individual basis where players harvest and produce resources. Dust is about Mercs so from my point of view where not industrialists. CCP however decided to continue with Planetary conquest and it turned out to be more for the bigger alliances making Mega ISK but excluding the medium and small corps. I knew that PC would be run by big alliances the same way null are run by big Eve coalitions. The beauty of the POCO idea is that you don't have to produce anything , you just take them over or defend them as a corp or accept a contract from an Eve player. Controlling a POCO gives you the right to set a tax rate , however if you set it to high you run the risk of your farmers packing up and leave. So there needs to be a good balance in order to ensure a long term passive income for the corp that holds a POCO. Ownership of POCOS should not just be for DUST players , Eve players should also be able to take ownership of POCOS via current Eve game mechanics. There are so many of these planets each with a POCO that it would kick start most current Dust corporations into having ownership or the opportunity to defend Eve players planetary resources which in return will kick start the Eve Dust link immediately. All the POCOS have the same space station so CCP only have to develope one MAP that could be used for all POCOS. Sure there would be some major input but what you are getting is what every one wants .....:) If I was the CCP CEO this would be my first priority .....besides it would be great to war in space , it would bring you so much closer to the new Eden experience ...... No... LOL and my dear Sir who the **** might you be ? Tired, and a person with more likes than you I have a Corp of more than 300 people liking me ...plus my Mom loves me. Sooooo Im not in the liking business. However I would dig more Eve integration and content in Dust.
Gods Architect SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 415	Posted - 2013.09.12 07:35:00 - [150] - Quote what hole did u find this at. Bet u spend a whole hour looking for this huh?



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