Stop pubstomping instant battles with proto everything & tac ar's along with proto-squad, and leave those modes to the new players.

I'm shooting him, but he's not dying and the sensitivity is so wierd I'm just gna end up dying cuz there's so many of them and just one of me.

I"ve been here since beta. The FPS part of this game is **** broken. There are a slew of FPS games out there.. so all of them are wrong, and this MMOFPS nails it? Their is a reason why this game is standing with a 7 on meta crtitic users. and won't be an 8 by the critics either. They all wrong?

Their is a reason why you can't find anything about this game on NEOGAF, and N4G (site is ps3 heaven) are they wrong?

The game has a lot of issues man. But I like building my gundam. so that's the fun I found in this game. everything else has been done. and better.

While I play Metro last light, I go back to dust. While I play Call of juarez gunslinger. I go back to dust. But it aint cause dust is the greatest FPS game out there.

If you have other ways for those guys to build up their fragile egos, feel free to suggest it. It must be something they can do without leaving their mothers basement though.

Dust gameplay is unfortunately worst with a new character. Later on you have your advanced suits and lots of customization. At the start the lack of passive skills makes weapons feel unresponsive. Without the ability to choose the right variants for your playstyle you are forced into a role you might not enjoy at all.

All in all the game does a very poor job of managing the first 60 minutes of playtime of new players. CCP should perhaps hire a professional gamedesigner.

search tag 'DUST 514' on n4g

I have about 5mil SP but not in a corp. It's not just new players that are having issue. Every time I enter a IB match, of the enemy team has a bunch of corp players, we lose. If I'm on the team with the corp players, we win. If both teams have corps, it becomes a close game. That should say enough. There should be a instant battle mode that requires a certain amount of SP to enter, not WP.

And that's a lie about all corps playing faction warfare only. These corps that enter IB know exactly what they're doing with their easy mode skilled guns and proto suits. If KDR didn't matter to these corps that are doing it, they wouldn't be pubstomping IB.

freakin idiot hopped out of the LAV in a group of 3+ people and tried to solo them all. complains that the guy is not dying, yet CLEARLY taking damage, but can't aim good enough to kill the last 20 hp.

someone get this kid a helmet and a box of crayons.

I did. And almost all posts are put up by emilio. lol That guy loves this game. lol

But unfortunately this is an epidemic perpetuated by lonewolf games like CoD. Most of these type of players coming into Dust try fighting on their own, and when they get annihilated they get frustrated, rage and make videos like the one I posted above.

Don't forget this kid complained about all the reading he had to do. I guess it would kill him to read, but then again look at most of America who are allergic to education and commonsense.

My only question is how hard can it be to think, I guess it really does hurt to use one's brain.

Argh, this is quite frustrating.

*cries in corner for humanity*

That statement about Americans shows you are a racist bigot that's just as dum as that guy in the video.

That statement about Americans shows you are a racist bigot that's just as dum as that guy in the video.

That statement about Americans shows you are a racist bigot that's just as dum as that guy in the video.

@OP If you are suggesting that this video is representative of the majority of FPS players, then I fear for our Planet (the real one).

Aim for the name!

I have about 5mil SP but not in a corp. It's not just new players that are having issues. Every time I enter a IB match, if the enemy team has a bunch of corp players, we lose. If I'm on the team with the corp players, we win. If both teams have corps, it becomes a close game. That should say enough. There should be a instant battle mode that requires a certain amount of SP to enter, not WP.

And that's a lie about all corps playing faction warfare only. These corps that enter IB know exactly what they're doing with their easy mode skilless guns and proto suits. If KDR didn't matter to these corps that are doing it, they wouldn't be pubstomping IB.

Um, American is a nationality, not a race.

Edit for maken. Why would you defend someone who clearly made a derogatory statement about a nation of people over the words he chose to call him out with? Thats just sad.

It's not a defense. It's an obvious error in grammar that people seem to use. The proper term he should have used would have been just simply "bigot" or "nationalist". But since the person went the extra mile and said "racist bigot" the meaning of the message changed.

I don't like being a grammar **** either, but when it comes to touchy subjects like this, people should know better. The only thing that offends me more than seeing someone call me a wet back is seeing someone fail as calling me a wet back the wrong way. If that person wants to offend me, they better do it right.

defending an attack on a nation of people by pointing out the words chosen to point it out. you should run for politics, you seem to have the lack of morals needed. or maybe you think this thread needs to go down the "bash americans" path. you and your friend are right, the problem lies with american intelligence. brilliant

kumbaya

nope he has figured out the solution, give him a Maken cookie.

well man, i would be just as upset by someone calling you a ******* as that guy calling me, my family, and friends "allergic to education"

I hate politics dude. I am not defending anyone. The term "racist bigot" was just an incorrect term to use. If he just said "bigot" then I would have said nothing at all and moved on.

You're wasting your time, he couldn't even spell dumb correctly, so don't think you'll be able to educate him on the difference between nationalists and racists.

Anyways, I place the blame on the mainstream gaming companies like EA, Activision, Epic Games, Infinity Ward, etc. for creating a culture within the gaming industry in which a portion of the console players have entitlement issues. Thankfullly, not all console players are that selfish and I hope in the future that Dust can finally show everyone everything that is wrong with the culture of the industry.

Anyways, I place the blame on the mainstream gaming companies like EA, Activision, Epic Games, Infinity Ward, etc. for creating a culture within the gaming industry in which a portion of the console players have entitlement issues. Thankfullly, not all console players are that selfish and I hope in the future that Dust can finally show everyone everything that is wrong with the culture of the industry.

Man I wish I could give you a +100. These corps roll up into these pub battles full of proto gear stomping beginners...and thinking that they are the ****. Must be so hard to kill that new player fitted in all militia gear....gtfoh...

I was searching youtube for Dust 514 videos and I came across one where the guy is a new player trying out Dust for the first time: http://youtu.be/x_yuJ-I4N9M

Numerous times throughout the video he comments/complains how complicated the game is and how many things he has to do just to start a game, as he wanted to just turn it on and jump right in. He further complains about the loading times, the "pointless" warbarge, the complicated process to find friends, how bad and complicated the sensitivity is, how long it takes to kill someone, how frustrating the LAV is to drive and that due to the complexity of the game that all he knows how to do is spawn LAVs, that its really confusing and he doesn't know the point of the game and just how complicated the game is (did I state how much he thought the game was complicated). The rest of the video is of him running around trying to kill people, complaining that he can't find his KD and that it takes forever to kill someone.

The fact is this exemplifies the struggle new players, especially ones who are used to CoD and Battlefield are going to have when starting Dust. Which is ****** up because the future of this game depends on it's growth, we can't survive on just the hardcore players. Yes, I think it's sad this guy can't comprehend the game as it's easy to grasp, but he's a perfect example of what the average FPS player will be like. Further, if more of these type of videos come out, it will make it harder for us to convince people to come and try Dust.

What are your thoughts on how we can increase the playerbase and get the word out there about Dust? I know one major problem is we don't have a presence on Twitch.tv, if we could get a few streamers on there showing how awesome this game is it will help immensely not mention that it could bring us to the attention of the esports community.

Osiris.

But unfortunately this is an epidemic perpetuated by lonewolf games like CoD. Most of these type of players coming into Dust try fighting on their own, and when they get annihilated they get frustrated, rage and make videos like the one I posted above.

Don't forget this kid complained about all the reading he had to do. I guess it would kill him to read, but then again look at most of America who are allergic to education and commonsense.

My only question is how hard can it be to think, I guess it really does hurt to use one's brain.

Argh, this is quite frustrating.

*cries in corner for humanity*

Dust will live and die by the target audience of fps roleplayers. A lot of the points in the video are valid - I'll pick one:

Warbarges are absolutely unnecessary. The same thing could be done in a loading screen instead. Merc quarters are equally worthless. A sleek menu would do the same thing much better, even more immersively.

Simple design:
GÇó lobbies are menus
GÇó war barge may be a planet screen
GÇó fights are 3d

Unnecessarily complex design:
GÇó lobbies are limited and worthless 3d without menu option
GÇó war barge is a random 3d environment without a purpose
GÇó fights are 3d

Dust will live and die by the target audience of fps roleplayers. A lot of the points in the video are valid - I'll pick one:

Warbarges are absolutely unnecessary. The same thing could be done in a loading screen instead. Merc quarters are equally worthless. A sleek menu would do the same thing much better, even more immersively.

Simple design:
GÇó lobbies are menus
GÇó war barge may be a planet screen
GÇó fights are 3d

Unnecessarily complex design:
GÇó lobbies are limited and worthless 3d without menu option
GÇó war barge is a random 3d environment without a purpose
GÇó fights are 3d

Why are you sharing your own video of how bad you are at the game?

He's trying to be a puppet master and get CCP to change the game to fit his own needs, probably.

lol he clearly hasnt pressed half the buttons on his pad.

you just have to put abit of time into learning it rather then just deleting it.

ive been playing about 20 days and i pretty much know the game like the back of my hand

are you saying if you can do it anyone can?

i dont want a player like that in the new eden universe

CCP is quite possibly the worst developer I've ever seen in regards to communicating how their game works to players, IN GAME.

Hell, they don't even post their announcements in game, they put them here on a forum on a website that the large majority of the player population NEVER visits.

They don't explain squads, they don't explain corporations, they don't explain the game modes, they don't explain the gun mechanics, they don't explain OBJECTIVES, they don't explain supply depots, they don't explain spawning or uplinks, they don't explain ANY equipment, they don't explain shields vs armor, they don't explain vehicles... on and on and on... It's absolutely ridiculous.

There is the problem of player skill as well, I mean I killed like... 8 proto suits in militia gear last round.

CCP is quite possibly the worst developer I've ever seen in regards to communicating how their game works to players, IN GAME.

Hell, they don't even post their announcements in game, they put them here on a forum on a website that the large majority of the player population NEVER visits.

They don't explain squads, they don't explain corporations, they don't explain the game modes, they don't explain the gun mechanics, they don't explain OBJECTIVES, they don't explain supply depots, they don't explain spawning or uplinks, they don't explain ANY equipment, they don't explain shields vs armor, they don't explain vehicles... on and on and on... It's absolutely ridiculous.

with abit of time and patients. its not hard.. but you have to like the game to even wanna learn.
if your not sure about somethin use google..

the warbage is annoying. it only seems to come up when im in a squad

I beat the **** out of imps with a freefit scout suit. Plus, I have no skill into dropsuits yet.

I'm glad you left Bungie out of it... you might consider me a 'fanboi', but so far, they haven't done too much to account for this culture of entitlement. And I'm looking forward to Destiny, especially since it's slated for release on four different consoles. I do wish they'd make it on PC though

I just thought you meant you came from COD or other FPSs and adjusted. I dont think its that hard either, the depth is a reason I like the game.

You're a member of Test you should feel ashamed for not knowing the answer to this. CCP makes MMOs that are about players organizing as much as possible themselves. Test was built to create community, tutorials, training aids, support, and common purpose for your pilots. It's not to big of a leap to expect you to do the same in dust. Jesus, no wonder you guys can't keep a coalition together.

ive played nothin but cod and bf on my ps3 and now dust

What a nonsense argument. I'm not the developer of the game, and I don't care how poorly made EVE is. If CCP wants an FPS F2P game on consoles to survive, they have to learn to actually develop videogames, not develop half a game and wait for players to develop the rest of it for them.

That explains a lot about the way you type.

What a nonsense argument. I'm not the developer of the game, and I don't care how poorly made EVE is. If CCP wants an FPS F2P game on consoles to survive, they have to learn to actually develop videogames, not develop half a game and wait for players to develop the rest of it for them.

You're a member of Test you should feel ashamed for not knowing the answer to this. CCP makes MMOs that are about players organizing as much as possible themselves. Test was built to create community, tutorials, training aids, support, and common purpose for your pilots. It's not to big of a leap to expect you to do the same in dust. Jesus, no wonder you guys can't keep a coalition together.

What a nonsense argument. I'm not the developer of the game, and I don't care how poorly made EVE is. If CCP wants an FPS F2P game on consoles to survive, they have to learn to actually develop videogames, not develop half a game and wait for players to develop the rest of it for them.

I was searching youtube for Dust 514 videos and I came across one where the guy is a new player trying out Dust for the first time: http://youtu.be/x_yuJ-I4N9M

Numerous times throughout the video he comments/complains how complicated the game is and how many things he has to do just to start a game, as he wanted to just turn it on and jump right in. He further complains about the loading times, the "pointless" warbarge, the complicated process to find friends, how bad and complicated the sensitivity is, how long it takes to kill someone, how frustrating the LAV is to drive and that due to the complexity of the game that all he knows how to do is spawn LAVs, that its really confusing and he doesn't know the point of the game and just how complicated the game is (did I state how much he thought the game was complicated). The rest of the video is of him running around trying to kill people, complaining that he can't find his KD and that it takes forever to kill someone.

The fact is this exemplifies the struggle new players, especially ones who are used to CoD and Battlefield are going to have when starting Dust. Which is ****** up because the future of this game depends on it's growth, we can't survive on just the hardcore players. Yes, I think it's sad this guy can't comprehend the game as it's easy to grasp, but he's a perfect example of what the average FPS player will be like. Further, if more of these type of videos come out, it will make it harder for us to convince people to come and try Dust.

What are your thoughts on how we can increase the playerbase and get the word out there about Dust? I know one major problem is we don't have a presence on Twitch.tv, if we could get a few streamers on there showing how awesome this game is it will help immensely not mention that it could bring us to the attention of the esports community.

Osiris.

Stop acting like a mewling pubbie and take some pride in that corp tag you're wearing. You're job is to make sure that your new bros have every tool and trick they need to take advantage of the masses, not ***** and whine to have the devs hand you everything on a silver platter like some High Sec carebear whose freighter I just popped in uedama.

Edit: also tell Dent to stop being a scrub and get on jabber/skype

I was searching youtube for Dust 514 videos and I came across one where the guy is a new player trying out Dust for the first time: http://youtu.be/x_yuJ-I4N9M

Numerous times throughout the video he comments/complains how complicated the game is and how many things he has to do just to start a game, as he wanted to just turn it on and jump right in. He further complains about the loading times, the "pointless" warbarge, the complicated process to find friends, how bad and complicated the sensitivity is, how long it takes to kill someone, how frustrating the LAV is to drive and that due to the complexity of the game that all he knows how to do is spawn LAVs, that its really confusing and he doesn't know the point of the game and just how complicated the game is (did I state how much he thought the game was complicated). The rest of the video is of him running around trying to kill people, complaining that he can't find his KD and that it takes forever to kill someone.

The fact is this exemplifies the struggle new players, especially ones who are used to CoD and Battlefield are going to have when starting Dust. Which is ****** up because the future of this game depends on it's growth, we can't survive on just the hardcore players. Yes, I think it's sad this guy can't comprehend the game as it's easy to grasp, but he's a perfect example of what the average FPS player will be like. Further, if more of these type of videos come out, it will make it harder for us to convince people to come and try Dust.

What are your thoughts on how we can increase the playerbase and get the word out there about Dust? I know one major problem is we don't have a presence on Twitch.tv, if we could get a few streamers on there showing how awesome this game is it will help immensely not mention that it could bring us to the attention of the esports community.

Osiris.

I was searching youtube for Dust 514 videos and I came across one where the guy is a new player trying out Dust for the first time: http://youtu.be/x_yuJ-I4N9M

Numerous times throughout the video he comments/complains how complicated the game is and how many things he has to do just to start a game, as he wanted to just turn it on and jump right in. He further complains about the loading times, the "pointless" warbarge, the complicated process to find friends, how bad and complicated the sensitivity is, how long it takes to kill someone, how frustrating the LAV is to drive and that due to the complexity of the game that all he knows how to do is spawn LAVs, that its really confusing and he doesn't know the point of the game and just how complicated the game is (did I state how much he thought the game was complicated). The rest of the video is of him running around trying to kill people, complaining that he can't find his KD and that it takes forever to kill someone.

The fact is this exemplifies the struggle new players, especially ones who are used to CoD and Battlefield are going to have when starting Dust. Which is ****** up because the future of this game depends on it's growth, we can't survive on just the hardcore players. Yes, I think it's sad this guy can't comprehend the game as it's easy to grasp, but he's a perfect example of what the average FPS player will be like. Further, if more of these type of videos come out, it will make it harder for us to convince people to come and try Dust.

What are your thoughts on how we can increase the playerbase and get the word out there about Dust? I know one major problem is we don't have a presence on Twitch.tv, if we could get a few streamers on there showing how awesome this game is it will help immensely not mention that it could bring us to the attention of the esports community.

Osiris.

To be fair, HBC fell started to fall apart when PL left and TEST though having Montolio as their leader was a good plan.



This argument is far more nonsensical than Samahiel's. If you ever took the time to look at CCP's history, dating back to their first game which was a board game, they're all about making games that have a more social and inter-community based experience and not simply having a dull rehash of the same sort of game you just bought six months ago. It's called "the sandbox" for a reason, go watch the presentations CCP did at FanFest this year, and in years past, to realize the game isn't just about running around and shooting things, you're expected to build your community both inside and outside the game.

As a member of one of the larger Alliances in New Eden, its embarrassing to your alliance and corp mates that you haven't learned this simple and true fact. Stop being anti-social and learn how to work with your corp & Alliance mates over expecting things to be handed to you.

I was searching youtube for Dust 514 videos and I came across one where the guy is a new player trying out Dust for the first time: http://youtu.be/x_yuJ-I4N9M

Numerous times throughout the video he comments/complains how complicated the game is and how many things he has to do just to start a game, as he wanted to just turn it on and jump right in. He further complains about the loading times, the "pointless" warbarge, the complicated process to find friends, how bad and complicated the sensitivity is, how long it takes to kill someone, how frustrating the LAV is to drive and that due to the complexity of the game that all he knows how to do is spawn LAVs, that its really confusing and he doesn't know the point of the game and just how complicated the game is (did I state how much he thought the game was complicated). The rest of the video is of him running around trying to kill people, complaining that he can't find his KD and that it takes forever to kill someone.

The fact is this exemplifies the struggle new players, especially ones who are used to CoD and Battlefield are going to have when starting Dust. Which is ****** up because the future of this game depends on it's growth, we can't survive on just the hardcore players. Yes, I think it's sad this guy can't comprehend the game as it's easy to grasp, but he's a perfect example of what the average FPS player will be like. Further, if more of these type of videos come out, it will make it harder for us to convince people to come and try Dust.

What are your thoughts on how we can increase the playerbase and get the word out there about Dust? I know one major problem is we don't have a presence on Twitch.tv, if we could get a few streamers on there showing how awesome this game is it will help immensely not mention that it could bring us to the attention of the esports community.

Osiris.

My son is 13 he understands dust completely. This dude is just a stupid noob. Like i said before you need some type of intellect to play dust. Games like cod doesn't require thinking.

Lol noobs

Jah Bless

If CCP would give players the info they need up front about how the game works, we would be left with those who would actually want to play the game for what it is.

Truly if someone is too lazy to read up on a game it's their fault. This game is far too complicated for a few tutorials and that's the way I like it. Really do you want to play with some kid who is too add to pay attention to the battle and is just trying to nova knife ppl? The guy who made the video is a complete idiot and should be ashamed to call himself a gamer

If you go to every game that you play's forums and spend hours searching for information, you are an outlier. It doesn't make you smarter, or even better at games. In fact, it probably means you aren't very discerning with your time. I'm not gonna go so far as to insult you for it, but I think you can imagine some insults that I could hurl your direction if you try. Most of us have lives, jobs, responsibilities, friends, family, etc.

People try out F2P games because they are free. If they like it, they keep playing, if they don't there's no skin off their backs. They just delete it. It's low risk. If we want the game to grow, we need to show these people why they shouldn't just delete the game immediately.

I get that having some esoteric knowledge about a F2P FPS gives you a feeling of superiority, you feel like you know something that other people don't know. That can feel good, especially to someone with low self esteem, or little "real world" knowledge to match. That doesn't, however, make people who don't have and/or don't know that there's a REASON to have that knowledge "a complete idiot."

They do. One of the first windows to pop up when you make a new character is the tutorial window. The player in the video just ignores them.

CCP can't help it if players don't read the tutorial.

Based on my time on the forums, I gotta say, if there were no idiots playing Dust 514 this place would be a ghost town.

Yeah, who here used the tutorial first time through... you want to get into the damned game! I never watched it... don't watch if for any game.

Work with what people actually do... not what we think they should do.

that might be the most entitled statement i have ever read.

Entitled? I guess the opposite is just telling them that they should do things they way you think it should be done.

How about pragmatic instead of dictatorial? Do we want new people in the game or do they all have to jump through a set of hoops of our choosing because we've been here longer and feel elite compared to them?

that might be the most entitled statement i have ever read.

You may think it is entitled but he is on to something. Check out some marketing books by Dan Kennedy.

It is about people not being bothered to take any time, put any effort into something they want before they expect something from it. its a free game. Entitled is exactly what I meant.

Dude, it's an f'ing game. Why should people have to do things they don't like so that hopefully, some day, in the future, they can figure out how to have fun?

I'm crossing you off my list of potential product designers. Next

thats quite alright, I would go after a more advanced demographic, I would let someone else make the For Dummies version, just because the masses need no effort products and no effort paths through things doesnt mean a niche market cannot be found. DUST is niche and free so stop

I could spin that right back on you. Goons are the ones who are supposed to remind us that this is just a game. Funny how the tides can turn.

Tell Dent to get on jabber/skype yourself, I'm not impressed with your namedropping.

Hows this for entitled attitude?

Since I have no life I deserve better gear than you.
Because I have no life, I deserve to talk down to other people.

Etc.
Etc.

All this talk of entitlement...
You elitist turds are the worst, you expect more handouts than any other group of people I've ever known. So the next time you decide to use that word, think very carefully about who and what you are applying it too.

For you are guilty of it more than the noob.

Hating on cod does not make you cool.
Liking a game that "entitles" you power over casuals, does nor make you cool either.
Whining about making a game easy to pick up and play is ... stupid.

Expecting a game to be dumbed down enough for you to just pick up and play, all while ignoring the tutorials is...entitled.
Criticizing factors of the game because of lack of knowledge due to lack of effort is...entitled.
Expecting a game to be just like another, and complaining that it isn't is...entitled.
Assuming you are good at something that you've never even played before is...entitled.


I remember when you used to actually have to read a manual to understand a game. Image that.

Yes, this kid is a noob. Yes he has a hard time. Yes CCP could smooth this out. Yes, he most definitely has an entitled attitude.

Expecting a game to be dumbed down enough for you to just pick up and play, all while ignoring the tutorials is...entitled.
Criticizing factors of the game because of lack of knowledge due to lack of effort is...entitled.
Expecting a game to be just like another, and complaining that it isn't is...entitled.
Assuming you are good at something that you've never even played before is...entitled.


I remember when you used to actually have to read a manual to understand a game. Image that.

Yes, this kid is a noob. Yes he has a hard time. Yes CCP could smooth this out. Yes, he most definitely has an entitled attitude.

Everything he criticized about the game like sluggish controls, poor aiming etc you don't need to read a ******* tutorial to see those problems.

It's thjis whole damned community that Dust is in it's current state! Replication gun fights were fun, fast and frantic like CCP likes to advertise Dust now but what we end up with a year later is uprising or failrising, lagrising, downfalling... What ever you want to call it.

The FPS side of this game is horrible. I've seen this community do everything they can to try and take advantage away from good players. This game like MAG is doomed because of it's **** poor elitist, entitled, mommy basement living, ass kissing CCP fan club.

It is about people not being bothered to take any time, put any effort into something they want before they expect something from it. its a free game. Entitled is exactly what I meant.

The real answer here is that if you care about this game you need to be out there with your corp nurturing and educating the newbies. This also has the added benefit of giving you a solid pool of recruits that know what the dangerous end of an AR is.

PC and KDR wankery is all well and good, but the truth of the matter is very few people are going to be able to enjoy this game, adapt, and survive without a corp to support them. The community needs to step up and start providing that support.



This is just a game, a game that despite every advantage you don't seem to know the rules of. Which is sad.

We don't want them. Also, why are you parroting your name after your post? Proving you remember what it is?

OMG will you whiny little "insert insult here" STOP FIGHTING!

Look. The game has a huge initial learning curve that CCP needs to be addressed ASAP, we all should know that. When I started playing when the beta became open, I was confused to high heaven and I read ALL the tutorials and instructions and was still confused.

It's badly designed and doesn't cover enough, right now.

The best type of tutorial is one that walks you through it step by step AS YOU PLAY.

Lets compare methods.

Would you rather have someone tell you how to drive a car, then give you the keys so you can go drive off yourself, or would you rather they join you step by step as you are interacting with the car, so that you understand what you are being told as you are experiencing it?

I've been there and the latter is always the best option, unless the teacher is a nutbag.

I personally prefer the complexity in the beginning compared to the simpler games. It filters out all the immature impatient kids that would ruin a game like this relying on cooperation. And age has nothing to do with, we have a 10 year old in our corp that is really good at playing, flying dropships and manageing squad leader actions. This game is by no means over complicated, if you do not get it after a few matches it is not a game for you as simple as that.

I also remember the good old days where it was mandatory to read the paper manual included in the game box to play the game. Why is it that everyone now demands the developers to spend lots of time, energy and money making it simple because they are too lazy to spend just a few minutes reading a few short tutorial messages. Just take a look at the skill tree which they have spend resources on instead of actual content.

I normally dislike the EvE kids coming here with suggestions on how to make Dust more into EvE.... Hate it!

BUT.... If they took Certificates from EvE and implemented that in Dust, it's something from EvE I would really want to see in Dust!

Dust will live and die by the target audience of fps roleplayers. A lot of the points in the video are valid - I'll pick one:

Warbarges are absolutely unnecessary. The same thing could be done in a loading screen instead. Merc quarters are equally worthless. A sleek menu would do the same thing much better, even more immersively.

Simple design:
GÇó lobbies are menus
GÇó war barge may be a planet screen
GÇó fights are 3d

Unnecessarily complex design:
GÇó lobbies are limited and worthless 3d without menu option
GÇó war barge is a random 3d environment without a purpose
GÇó fights are 3d

I hate to break it to you, but you're kind of ugly for a cheerleader.

Nothing you've said relates in any way whatsoever to the problems being addressed here. This has nothing to do with my corp, because my own corp is mostly insulated from the problems of CCP's **** poor game design. If you want new players from the console market to understand that the game is about more than just running around and shooting things, SOMEONE NEEDS TO TELL THEM THAT, and considering it's CCP that's looking to make a profit from people playing the game, it makes sense for it to be THEM.

If you want to do CCP's job for them, more power to you, but I expect more from a developer. It's sad that you don't.




The difference is your son is your son. He's seen you play, he KNOWS there's more to it than what it seems on the surface. To the uninitiated, Dust 514 is just a random F2P game. They download it on a lark, and give it a few minutes of their time to decide if they want to bother with it. This doesn't mean they are "stupid," but I do suppose it means they are "noobs."

This isn't Eve Online where players come into it expecting to pay a monthly fee, and looking for the challenge that they've heard about from other PC players. This is a random console game, and the average player knows nothing about it. They boot the game up, play a couple matches, and make a call about whether or not they want to keep bothering. They have no investment in the game, and no investment in the Eve Universe. To expect them to just intuit that the game doesn't suck after having a completely sucky new player experience is silly.

You can be a smug prick and pretend like these people are idiots for not being fanboys who read the forums and follow dev blogs, but I think that has more to do with your own shortcomings than those of the players. Sure, maybe the guy in the video is an idiot, I don't know the guy and I don't know how much of his review is genuine, and how much is him trying to gain viewers (being a "personality" and such). What I DO know is that there is a LOT of basic information that every vet knows is important that CCP could go ahead and give the new players up front.

There's nothing wrong with showing a new player who boots up the client for the first time what it is that makes the game tick. There's no special medal for slogging through the crap to get to the gold, it doesn't make you smarter or more sophisticated than these other people, it just means you invested a bit more time into the game on either a hunch, or based on your knowledge of the Eve Universe.

Having a decent new player experience doesn't have to take away from the complexity or the sandbox nature of the game, and just laughing at a new player does nothing to help that new player see why it is that we all play this game.

We can be a bunch of smug assholes because we just happen to know more about the game, and CCP can continue that smugness if they want (as they have done so far). Honestly though, I'd rather CCP work to ENTICE new players to keep playing, and let those new players either stay or leave based on what they think of the ACTUAL game. Not do what they do now, putting up roadblocks and hiding vital information from them.

If CCP would give players the info they need up front about how the game works, we would be left with those who would actually want to play the game for what it is.

If you go to every game that you play's forums and spend hours searching for information, you are an outlier. It doesn't make you smarter, or even better at games. In fact, it probably means you aren't very discerning with your time. I'm not gonna go so far as to insult you for it, but I think you can imagine some insults that I could hurl your direction if you try. Most of us have lives, jobs, responsibilities, friends, family, etc.

People try out F2P games because they are free. If they like it, they keep playing, if they don't there's no skin off their backs. They just delete it. It's low risk. If we want the game to grow, we need to show these people why they shouldn't just delete the game immediately.

I get that having some esoteric knowledge about a F2P FPS gives you a feeling of superiority, you feel like you know something that other people don't know. That can feel good, especially to someone with low self esteem, or little "real world" knowledge to match. That doesn't, however, make people who don't have and/or don't know that there's a REASON to have that knowledge "a complete idiot."

WTF is up with the hater comments on the new guy?

He's giving it to you straight! It's easy to forget how strange the game might seem to a newcomer once you've been playing it for months but don't be so stupid to think that you are somehow superior to "stupid" people just because they haven't had time to figure things out yet.

On a positive, many of the things in the video are relatively easy to fix. For example, show the users K/D ratio if they want to see it, better yet put some options in settings to pick and choose what you want to see.

The game could also have a "verbose" mode so that instead of just killing people from above you get a status message that says "head shot" or "access depot to change loadout" or "enemy railgun, hack to take control and use". Whatever, consider a mouse-over based on distance and line of sight -- with some text in a non-invasive place. Of course, options to turn this crap off once you know what you are doing.

Perhaps you could even have a different voice-over for new players. Instead of telling us not to commit suicide in the war barge we could be told "you have entered the war barge" and "view holo screens to see intelligence on enemy combatants" and "access the options menu to turn off war barge help messages -- press [ key ]".

Hmm, you might also have a series of items in the text hints (you know, the delay screen that gives a different tip every time you see it) that prioritizes certain messages when a player has less then N war points and/or N complete games ON THEIR ACCOUNT.

Might also be nice to have a "wiki" in-game so that users can explore that to help figure out more complex things -- assuming any can be bothered to read anything.

Anyway, just some off the cuff thoughts... not sure they are any good.

The kid, I assume he is a teen based on the voice, does not sound like an idiot but he does sound confused and unsure. He actually sounded fairly reasonable as he actually said the game was OK for a free 2 play game but that he did have issues with it. Calling him an idiot because he did not know as much about the game as someone who has played the game for weeks, months or over a year is completely unfair.

For those of us who remain playing for more than a week it is because we see something in the game that we either enjoy now or for those who are starting to burn out and steadily playing less it is because they see the potential for the future or more likely some element of both.

Now some people say he should have researched the game before or during the period he is playing. But in all honesty how many people do you expect to do research on a F2P game before actually playing it, I certainly didn't. In fact I generally play the game a bit and if I find it an enjoyable experience then it is this point that I will decide to do some research on aspects of the game I find interesting or confusing.

If the first few minutes and hours in the game are not enjoyable or at least interesting then you will loose most of your potential player base long before anybody chooses to research further about the possibilities of the game.

At least in Eve you do get a series of tutorials and starter agent missions which give you an insight into the different options, menus and control systems available to the player in a "relatively" safe environment.

With dust the only option currently available to the player is to select instant Academy battle and pew pew at people. There are no tutorials available and only very limited amount of information provided and this generally in the form of text. I believe CCP need to provide interactive PVE tutorials that go through the basics of the game from the different weapons and modules etc and how to use them "effectively" to more important stuff like how to activate your mic and the fact that you need to re-activate voice every time you move to a different channel to the importance of squads and navigating the various menus. At least in Eve you get an ingame rookie channel that makes it easy to ask questions and get answers.

Yes if a player decides to invest more than a few hours in a game then they could do some research on particular aspects of the game and this is where the playerbase can be most involved but it is CCPs responsibility to ensure as many players as possible get to this stage instead of just ditching this game after the 1st 30 minutes to an hour.

Saying that you do not want players like this in the game may be good for your or even my particular play style or social environment but is not good news for CCP. I like playing with more mature players and I suppose I would be happy if all of the players in the game had the same attitude but that would limit the market for CCP. Please note that I am not equating age with maturity. So long as players are not shouting down the mic how elite they are, ignoring the team, and denigrating the skills of the other players then I am happy playing on the same squad as them.

However, there should be room in this game for these less mature players to ensure the viability of this game They can form their own corps and play with like minded others. A little bit more hand holding by CCP, in the form of interactive tutorials, at the beginning can only be considered as being to their advantage in retaining new players regardless of whether I like their attitudes or not. So long as I have the option to not have them in the same squad as me I.e I join a corp that suits me then I am happy to have them ingame if it ensures that dust becomes a success.

Whether we like it or not we need a certain percentage of the COD, BF3 players to migrate to Dust to ensure that our game has a future. At the end of the day most kids do grow into reasonably mature people and if we are looking at Dust lasting for 10+ years
then it would be good for CCP to have players who grew up with game and are in their mid twenties when dust reaches its 10 year anniversary.

Many of the points the kid raised are valid for different reasons. For example the point he raised about the warbarge does not make him stupid just under informed. If he had received an explanation, say as a small part of a tutorial, that the warbarge was a place that granted individuals the chance to join squads and for squads and teams to discuss strategy then he would have known why it was important. In fact a lot of his questions could have been answered this way thus allowing him a chance to develop a more informed opinion of this game.

Stop pubstomping instant battles with proto everything & tac ar's along with proto-squad, and leave those modes to the new players.

FACTION WARFARE IS FOR BIG CORPS THAT HAVE SQUADS POSSIBLY QUE SYNCED




PUB MATCHS ARE FOR NOOBS OR NOOBS THAT RUN PROTO GEAR WHO WANT TO JOIN THEIR KIND