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Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1383	Posted - 2013.05.22 21:35:00 - [91] - Quote Turan chiron wrote: Truly if someone is too lazy to read up on a game it's their fault. This game is far too complicated for a few tutorials and that's the way I like it. Really do you want to play with some kid who is too add to pay attention to the battle and is just trying to nova knife ppl? The guy who made the video is a complete idiot and should be ashamed to call himself a gamer If you go to every game that you play's forums and spend hours searching for information, you are an outlier. It doesn't make you smarter, or even better at games. In fact, it probably means you aren't very discerning with your time. I'm not gonna go so far as to insult you for it, but I think you can imagine some insults that I could hurl your direction if you try. Most of us have lives, jobs, responsibilities, friends, family, etc. People try out F2P games because they are free. If they like it, they keep playing, if they don't there's no skin off their backs. They just delete it. It's low risk. If we want the game to grow, we need to show these people why they shouldn't just delete the game immediately. I get that having some esoteric knowledge about a F2P FPS gives you a feeling of superiority, you feel like you know something that other people don't know. That can feel good, especially to someone with low self esteem, or little "real world" knowledge to match. That doesn't, however, make people who don't have and/or don't know that there's a REASON to have that knowledge "a complete idiot."
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 344	Posted - 2013.05.22 21:39:00 - [92] - Quote WTF is up with the hater comments on the new guy? He's giving it to you straight! It's easy to forget how strange the game might seem to a newcomer once you've been playing it for months but don't be so stupid to think that you are somehow superior to "stupid" people just because they haven't had time to figure things out yet. On a positive, many of the things in the video are relatively easy to fix. For example, show the users K/D ratio if they want to see it, better yet put some options in settings to pick and choose what you want to see. The game could also have a "verbose" mode so that instead of just killing people from above you get a status message that says "head shot" or "access depot to change loadout" or "enemy railgun, hack to take control and use". Whatever, consider a mouse-over based on distance and line of sight -- with some text in a non-invasive place. Of course, options to turn this crap off once you know what you are doing. Perhaps you could even have a different voice-over for new players. Instead of telling us not to commit suicide in the war barge we could be told "you have entered the war barge" and "view holo screens to see intelligence on enemy combatants" and "access the options menu to turn off war barge help messages -- press [ key ]". Hmm, you might also have a series of items in the text hints (you know, the delay screen that gives a different tip every time you see it) that prioritizes certain messages when a player has less then N war points and/or N complete games ON THEIR ACCOUNT. Might also be nice to have a "wiki" in-game so that users can explore that to help figure out more complex things -- assuming any can be bothered to read anything. Anyway, just some off the cuff thoughts... not sure they are any good.
Jin Robot Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 564	Posted - 2013.05.22 21:39:00 - [93] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: Turan chiron wrote: Truly if someone is too lazy to read up on a game it's their fault. This game is far too complicated for a few tutorials and that's the way I like it. Really do you want to play with some kid who is too add to pay attention to the battle and is just trying to nova knife ppl? The guy who made the video is a complete idiot and should be ashamed to call himself a gamer If you go to every game that you play's forums and spend hours searching for information, you are an outlier. It doesn't make you smarter, or even better at games. In fact, it probably means you aren't very discerning with your time. I'm not gonna go so far as to insult you for it, but I think you can imagine some insults that I could hurl your direction if you try. Most of us have lives, jobs, responsibilities, friends, family, etc. People try out F2P games because they are free. If they like it, they keep playing, if they don't there's no skin off their backs. They just delete it. It's low risk. If we want the game to grow, we need to show these people why they shouldn't just delete the game immediately. I get that having some esoteric knowledge about a F2P FPS gives you a feeling of superiority, you feel like you know something that other people don't know. That can feel good, especially to someone with low self esteem, or little "real world" knowledge to match. That doesn't, however, make people who don't have and/or don't know that there's a REASON to have that knowledge "a complete idiot." the reason he is a complete idiot is because he chose to pass on the knowledge he admits he didnt bother gathering. it was an idiots review of dust 514.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 344	Posted - 2013.05.22 21:41:00 - [94] - Quote Laheon wrote: They do. One of the first windows to pop up when you make a new character is the tutorial window. The player in the video just ignores them. CCP can't help it if players don't read the tutorial. Yeah, who here used the tutorial first time through... you want to get into the damned game! I never watched it... don't watch if for any game. Work with what people actually do... not what we think they should do.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1383	Posted - 2013.05.22 21:49:00 - [95] - Quote Based on my time on the forums, I gotta say, if there were no idiots playing Dust 514 this place would be a ghost town.
Dark Deviser XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S 3	Posted - 2013.05.22 22:07:00 - [96] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: Based on my time on the forums, I gotta say, if there were no idiots playing Dust 514 this place would be a ghost town. ##YOLO ##COD ##SWAG ##BATTLEFIELD ##KD ##HEADSHOT
Jin Robot Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 565	Posted - 2013.05.22 22:13:00 - [97] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: Laheon wrote: They do. One of the first windows to pop up when you make a new character is the tutorial window. The player in the video just ignores them. CCP can't help it if players don't read the tutorial. Yeah, who here used the tutorial first time through... you want to get into the damned game! I never watched it... don't watch if for any game. Work with what people actually do... not what we think they should do. that might be the most entitled statement i have ever read.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 345	Posted - 2013.05.22 22:36:00 - [98] - Quote Jin Robot wrote: that might be the most entitled statement i have ever read. Entitled? I guess the opposite is just telling them that they should do things they way you think it should be done. How about pragmatic instead of dictatorial? Do we want new people in the game or do they all have to jump through a set of hoops of our choosing because we've been here longer and feel elite compared to them?
Jin Robot Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 571	Posted - 2013.05.22 22:42:00 - [99] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: Jin Robot wrote: that might be the most entitled statement i have ever read. Entitled? I guess the opposite is just telling them that they should do things they way you think it should be done. How about pragmatic instead of dictatorial? Do we want new people in the game or do they all have to jump through a set of hoops of our choosing because we've been here longer and feel elite compared to them? that has nothing to do with how long we have been here. It is about people not being bothered to take any time, put any effort into something they want before they expect something from it. its a free game. Entitled is exactly what I meant.
Battle Android Trooper Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.05.22 22:49:00 - [100] - Quote Jin Robot wrote: Crash Monster wrote: Laheon wrote: They do. One of the first windows to pop up when you make a new character is the tutorial window. The player in the video just ignores them. CCP can't help it if players don't read the tutorial. Yeah, who here used the tutorial first time through... you want to get into the damned game! I never watched it... don't watch if for any game. Work with what people actually do... not what we think they should do. that might be the most entitled statement i have ever read. You may think it is entitled but he is on to something. Check out some marketing books by Dan Kennedy.

Jin Robot Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 573	Posted - 2013.05.22 23:01:00 - [101] - Quote Battle Android Trooper wrote: Jin Robot wrote: Crash Monster wrote: Laheon wrote: They do. One of the first windows to pop up when you make a new character is the tutorial window. The player in the video just ignores them. CCP can't help it if players don't read the tutorial. Yeah, who here used the tutorial first time through... you want to get into the damned game! I never watched it... don't watch if for any game. Work with what people actually do... not what we think they should do. that might be the most entitled statement i have ever read. You may think it is entitled but he is on to something. Check out some marketing books by Dan Kennedy. It is about people not being bothered to take any time, put any effort into something they want before they expect something from it. its a free game. Entitled is exactly what I meant.
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 54	Posted - 2013.05.22 23:10:00 - [102] - Quote The kid, I assume he is a teen based on the voice, does not sound like an idiot but he does sound confused and unsure. He actually sounded fairly reasonable as he actually said the game was OK for a free 2 play game but that he did have issues with it. Calling him an idiot because he did not know as much about the game as someone who has played the game for weeks, months or over a year is completely unfair. For those of us who remain playing for more than a week it is because we see something in the game that we either enjoy now or for those who are starting to burn out and steadily playing less it is because they see the potential for the future or more likely some element of both. Now some people say he should have researched the game before or during the period he is playing. But in all honesty how many people do you expect to do research on a F2P game before actually playing it, I certainly didn't. In fact I generally play the game a bit and if I find it an enjoyable experience then it is this point that I will decide to do some research on aspects of the game I find interesting or confusing. If the first few minutes and hours in the game are not enjoyable or at least interesting then you will loose most of your potential player base long before anybody chooses to research further about the possibilities of the game. At least in Eve you do get a series of tutorials and starter agent missions which give you an insight into the different options, menus and control systems available to the player in a "relatively" safe environment. With dust the only option currently available to the player is to select instant Academy battle and pew pew at people. There are no tutorials available and only very limited amount of information provided and this generally in the form of text. I believe CCP need to provide interactive PVE tutorials that go through the basics of the game from the different weapons and modules etc and how to use them "effectively" to more important stuff like how to activate your mic and the fact that you need to re-activate voice every time you move to a different channel to the importance of squads and navigating the various menus. At least in Eve you get an ingame rookie channel that makes it easy to ask questions and get answers. Yes if a player decides to invest more than a few hours in a game then they could do some research on particular aspects of the game and this is where the playerbase can be most involved but it is CCPs responsibility to ensure as many players as possible get to this stage instead of just ditching this game after the 1st 30 minutes to an hour. Saying that you do not want players like this in the game may be good for your or even my particular play style or social environment but is not good news for CCP. I like playing with more mature players and I suppose I would be happy if all of the players in the game had the same attitude but that would limit the market for CCP. Please note that I am not equating age with maturity. So long as players are not shouting down the mic how elite they are, ignoring the team, and denigrating the skills of the other players then I am happy playing on the same squad as them. However, there should be room in this game for these less mature players to ensure the viability of this game They can form their own corps and play with like minded others. A little bit more hand holding by CCP, in the form of interactive tutorials, at the beginning can only be considered as being to their advantage in retaining new players regardless of whether I like their attitudes or not. So long as I have the option to not have them in the same squad as me I.e I join a corp that suits me then I am happy to have them ingame if it ensures that dust becomes a success. Whether we like it or not we need a certain percentage of the COD, BF3 players to migrate to Dust to ensure that our game has a future. At the end of the day most kids do grow into reasonably mature people and if we are looking at Dust lasting for 10+ years then it would be good for CCP to have players who grew up with game and are in their mid twenties when dust reaches its 10 year anniversary. Many of the points the kid raised are valid for different reasons. For example the point he raised about the warbarge does not make him stupid just under informed. If he had received an explanation, say as a small part of a tutorial, that the warbarge was a place that granted individuals the chance to join squads and for squads and teams to discuss strategy then he would have known why it was important. In fact a lot of his questions could have been answered this way thus allowing him a chance to develop a more informed opinion of this game.
Laheon Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 605	Posted - 2013.05.22 23:12:00 - [103] - Quote People coming into this game may have heard of EVE Online, and known how hard or complicated that was. Otherwise, they may have read a review on the internet (I hear we can do that nowadays), realising how complicated it was by experienced game reviewers saying "It's complicated!". Both should drive you to read through the tutorial, probably lasting a total of about five minutes, and saving hours of wasted game time. On the other hand, there's really not much you can do for people seeing it on PS Store and going "that looks like a cool game, let's try it out!" All you can hope for is that they invest some time, after skipping the tutorial, to get into the game.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 348	Posted - 2013.05.22 23:19:00 - [104] - Quote Jin Robot wrote: It is about people not being bothered to take any time, put any effort into something they want before they expect something from it. its a free game. Entitled is exactly what I meant. Dude, it's an f'ing game. Why should people have to do things they don't like so that hopefully, some day, in the future, they can figure out how to have fun? I'm crossing you off my list of potential product designers. Next
Jin Robot Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 574	Posted - 2013.05.22 23:27:00 - [105] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: Jin Robot wrote: It is about people not being bothered to take any time, put any effort into something they want before they expect something from it. its a free game. Entitled is exactly what I meant. Dude, it's an f'ing game. Why should people have to do things they don't like so that hopefully, some day, in the future, they can figure out how to have fun? I'm crossing you off my list of potential product designers. Next thats quite alright, I would go after a more advanced demographic, I would let someone else make the For Dummies version, just because the masses need no effort products and no effort paths through things doesnt mean a niche market cannot be found. DUST is niche and free so stop
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1386	Posted - 2013.05.22 23:40:00 - [106] - Quote Jin Robot wrote: Crash Monster wrote: Jin Robot wrote: It is about people not being bothered to take any time, put any effort into something they want before they expect something from it. its a free game. Entitled is exactly what I meant. Dude, it's an f'ing game. Why should people have to do things they don't like so that hopefully, some day, in the future, they can figure out how to have fun? I'm crossing you off my list of potential product designers. Next thats quite alright, I would go after a more advanced demographic, I would let someone else make the For Dummies version, just because the masses need no effort products and no effort paths through things doesnt mean a niche market cannot be found. DUST is niche and free so stop Yes, those "advanced" people like yourself, right? Clearly it's the people who have better things to do with their time than spend hours researching a F2P game that they have no reason to care about one way or the other who are the "stupid" ones. There's nothing "intelligent" or "advanced" about spending your time figuring out a product that the developer can't be bothered to explain themselves. If CCP doesn't want to take the time to explain the game to an unbiased player, why should the unbiased player care to figure it out for themselves? The current new player experience is simply bad game design. Give me a freakin' break dude. Not everyone is a CCP fanboy. You're telling me you haven't ever downloaded a F2P game, played it for 20 minutes and said "meh, not worth my time?"
Samahiel Goonfeet 32	Posted - 2013.05.22 23:54:00 - [107] - Quote The real answer here is that if you care about this game you need to be out there with your corp nurturing and educating the newbies. This also has the added benefit of giving you a solid pool of recruits that know what the dangerous end of an AR is. PC and KDR wankery is all well and good, but the truth of the matter is very few people are going to be able to enjoy this game, adapt, and survive without a corp to support them. The community needs to step up and start providing that support. Baal Roo wrote: I could spin that right back on you. Goons are the ones who are supposed to remind us that this is just a game. Funny how the tides can turn. Tell Dent to get on jabber/skype yourself, I'm not impressed with your namedropping. This is just a game, a game that despite every advantage you don't seem to know the rules of. Which is sad.
Sir Eos Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 6	Posted - 2013.05.22 23:59:00 - [108] - Quote Hows this for entitled attitude? Since I have no life I deserve better gear than you. Because I have no life, I deserve to talk down to other people. Etc. Etc. All this talk of entitlement... You elitist turds are the worst, you expect more handouts than any other group of people I've ever known. So the next time you decide to use that word, think very carefully about who and what you are applying it too. For you are guilty of it more than the noob. Hating on cod does not make you cool. Liking a game that "entitles" you power over casuals, does nor make you cool either. Whining about making a game easy to pick up and play is ... stupid.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 488	Posted - 2013.05.23 00:08:00 - [109] - Quote Sir Eos wrote: Hows this for entitled attitude? Since I have no life I deserve better gear than you. Because I have no life, I deserve to talk down to other people. Etc. Etc. All this talk of entitlement... You elitist turds are the worst, you expect more handouts than any other group of people I've ever known. So the next time you decide to use that word, think very carefully about who and what you are applying it too. For you are guilty of it more than the noob. Hating on cod does not make you cool. Liking a game that "entitles" you power over casuals, does nor make you cool either. Whining about making a game easy to pick up and play is ... stupid. Expecting a game to be dumbed down enough for you to just pick up and play, all while ignoring the tutorials is...entitled. Criticizing factors of the game because of lack of knowledge due to lack of effort is...entitled. Expecting a game to be just like another, and complaining that it isn't is...entitled. i remember when you used to actually have to read a manual to understand a game. Image that. Yes, this kid is a noob. yes he has a hard time. Yes CCP could smooth this out. Yes, he is most definitely entitled.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 474	Posted - 2013.05.23 00:14:00 - [110] - Quote it clear that this game needs a hand holding tutorial. no joke no trolling, been saying it for a while and when CCP I got an idea the noob battles I was like LOL.. yea so not going to work and clearly it doesn't. there are alts of people with 500k+ wp that are clearly conformable with the game so its not a good limiter for the new guy area. the tutorial while some are dull just don't go into enough detail because there is no way to make a FPS tutorial only using words without the playing to getting how why and what to do all of that. its not new person friendly and without new people it will never make it to AAA FPS

Sir Eos Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 7	Posted - 2013.05.23 00:19:00 - [111] - Quote You know what? When you pick a difficulty level. Do you pick easy or hard. If you pick hard, you chose to let the game artificially entitle the AI. Why does your attitude to this concept suddenly change when it involves a human? Nope, if its humans for competition, you all chose the route of giving entitlements to the group of players least likely to need it.
Jin Robot Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 575	Posted - 2013.05.23 00:24:00 - [112] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Sir Eos wrote: Hows this for entitled attitude? Since I have no life I deserve better gear than you. Because I have no life, I deserve to talk down to other people. Etc. Etc. All this talk of entitlement... You elitist turds are the worst, you expect more handouts than any other group of people I've ever known. So the next time you decide to use that word, think very carefully about who and what you are applying it too. For you are guilty of it more than the noob. Hating on cod does not make you cool. Liking a game that "entitles" you power over casuals, does nor make you cool either. Whining about making a game easy to pick up and play is ... stupid. Expecting a game to be dumbed down enough for you to just pick up and play, all while ignoring the tutorials is...entitled. Criticizing factors of the game because of lack of knowledge due to lack of effort is...entitled. Expecting a game to be just like another, and complaining that it isn't is...entitled. Assuming you are good at something that you've never even played before is...entitled. I remember when you used to actually have to read a manual to understand a game. Image that. Yes, this kid is a noob. Yes he has a hard time. Yes CCP could smooth this out. Yes, he most definitely has an entitled attitude. Truth
Elrick Mercer Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 37	Posted - 2013.05.23 00:25:00 - [113] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Sir Eos wrote: Hows this for entitled attitude? Since I have no life I deserve better gear than you. Because I have no life, I deserve to talk down to other people. Etc. Etc. All this talk of entitlement... You elitist turds are the worst, you expect more handouts than any other group of people I've ever known. So the next time you decide to use that word, think very carefully about who and what you are applying it too. For you are guilty of it more than the noob. Hating on cod does not make you cool. Liking a game that "entitles" you power over casuals, does nor make you cool either. Whining about making a game easy to pick up and play is ... stupid. Expecting a game to be dumbed down enough for you to just pick up and play, all while ignoring the tutorials is...entitled. Criticizing factors of the game because of lack of knowledge due to lack of effort is...entitled. Expecting a game to be just like another, and complaining that it isn't is...entitled. Assuming you are good at something that you've never even played before is...entitled. I remember when you used to actually have to read a manual to understand a game. Image that. Yes, this kid is a noob. Yes he has a hard time. Yes CCP could smooth this out. Yes, he most definitely has an entitled attitude. Everything he criticized about the game like sluggish controls, poor aiming etc you don't need to read a ***** tutorial to see those problems. It's thjis whole damned community that Dust is in it's current state! Replication gun fights were fun, fast and frantic like CCP likes to advertise Dust now but what we end up with a year later is uprising or failrising, lagrising, downfalling... What ever you want to call it. The FPS side of this game is horrible. I've seen this community do everything they can to try and take advantage away from good players. This game like MAG is doomed because of it's ** poor elitist, entitled, mommy basement living, ass kissing CCP fan club.
Battle Android Trooper Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2013.05.23 00:44:00 - [114] - Quote Elrick Mercer wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Sir Eos wrote: Hows this for entitled attitude? Since I have no life I deserve better gear than you. Because I have no life, I deserve to talk down to other people. Etc. Etc. All this talk of entitlement... You elitist turds are the worst, you expect more handouts than any other group of people I've ever known. So the next time you decide to use that word, think very carefully about who and what you are applying it too. For you are guilty of it more than the noob. Hating on cod does not make you cool. Liking a game that "entitles" you power over casuals, does nor make you cool either. Whining about making a game easy to pick up and play is ... stupid. Expecting a game to be dumbed down enough for you to just pick up and play, all while ignoring the tutorials is...entitled. Criticizing factors of the game because of lack of knowledge due to lack of effort is...entitled. Expecting a game to be just like another, and complaining that it isn't is...entitled. Assuming you are good at something that you've never even played before is...entitled. I remember when you used to actually have to read a manual to understand a game. Image that. Yes, this kid is a noob. Yes he has a hard time. Yes CCP could smooth this out. Yes, he most definitely has an entitled attitude. Everything he criticized about the game like sluggish controls, poor aiming etc you don't need to read a ***** tutorial to see those problems. It's thjis whole damned community that Dust is in it's current state! Replication gun fights were fun, fast and frantic like CCP likes to advertise Dust now but what we end up with a year later is uprising or failrising, lagrising, downfalling... What ever you want to call it. The FPS side of this game is horrible. I've seen this community do everything they can to try and take advantage away from good players. This game like MAG is doomed because of it's ** poor elitist, entitled, mommy basement living, ass kissing CCP fan club. But many on here do not even see it...
Helper Friendly Planetary Response Organization 14	Posted - 2013.05.23 00:45:00 - [115] - Quote Dust is by far lacking in the FPS category we can all agree on that. It needs a lot more smoothing and work again we can all agree on that. CCP will continuously update the game so long as it is profitable <-- again we all can agree on that. I wonder if the kid in the video even meets the age requirement to play this game? I don't blame manufacturers. I blame parents. No one under 18 (USA) should even be playing this game, cod, bf3, gta, etc. This kid sounded like the typical pot smoking entitled American. Needs every thing to be dummy proof to understand it. Our military is even this way, directions on every piece of equipment there is from water canteens to clay-mores... Its the culture we live in. The kid in the video simply didn't take the time to learn anything. As the OP stated he wanted to jump right in and be able to own anyone he shoots at. Sorry to say that is the typical FPS gaming audience. Players like him will have a great impression on the game. He will tell all his cod buddies forget that game you have to play it 6 months to even come close to actually being able to do any good in it. DUST is what will separate the players who come to play and enjoy the benefits of an FPS + more and those with this kids mindset of its to hard to win (kill) KDR is all that matters to these guys. So with that said Dust is better without his kind. Nuff said.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS 1458	Posted - 2013.05.23 00:46:00 - [116] - Quote Jin Robot wrote: Battle Android Trooper wrote: Jin Robot wrote: Crash Monster wrote: Laheon wrote: They do. One of the first windows to pop up when you make a new character is the tutorial window. The player in the video just ignores them. CCP can't help it if players don't read the tutorial. Yeah, who here used the tutorial first time through... you want to get into the damned game! I never watched it... don't watch if for any game. Work with what people actually do... not what we think they should do. that might be the most entitled statement i have ever read. You may think it is entitled but he is on to something. Check out some marketing books by Dan Kennedy. It is about people not being bothered to take any time, put any effort into something they want before they expect something from it. its a free game. Entitled is exactly what I meant. Jin... remember the pause button Though I am a bit conflicted over forced and optional tutorials. I mean, I skip usually skip them if they're optional, and I simply hate forced ones, but if person skips them then it's their own fault if they don't understand the game, but then Dust's tutorials could use some work too... they suck. Man, Eff this ****!
Sir Eos Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 11	Posted - 2013.05.23 00:52:00 - [117] - Quote Pot smokers are entitled? How about this, if everyone wasnt into invading a persons privacy. They wouldnt need handouts from being unemployed because they failed a drug because it shows a dirty UA a month or 2 later.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1388	Posted - 2013.05.23 00:58:00 - [118] - Quote Samahiel wrote: The real answer here is that if you care about this game you need to be out there with your corp nurturing and educating the newbies. This also has the added benefit of giving you a solid pool of recruits that know what the dangerous end of an AR is. PC and KDR wankery is all well and good, but the truth of the matter is very few people are going to be able to enjoy this game, adapt, and survive without a corp to support them. The community needs to step up and start providing that support. Baal Roo wrote: I could spin that right back on you. Goons are the ones who are supposed to remind us that this is just a game. Funny how the tides can turn. Tell Dent to get on jabber/skype yourself, I'm not impressed with your namedropping. This is just a game, a game that despite every advantage you don't seem to know the rules of. Which is sad. Are you even capable of having a normal conversation without misconstruing the points made by the person you're talking to? This has nothing to do with Subdreddit. We don't even recruit players in game, at all, ever. All of our players come to us from a third party source, and our requirements have absolutely nothing to do with players abilities or in game knowledge. Our corp takes care of our own, but that's not what this discussion is about. We're talking about the average player who sees there's a new F2P game available and decides to give it a go. They play for 30 minutes and make a decision about whether or not to bother booting up the game again, or just delete it off their hard drive. It's clear you're having a hard time separating your own personal experiences with Eve Online, and the experience of the average, non-Eve initiated PS3 owner. You can keep trying to start some silly goon/test drama if you like, but I'm going to keep laughing at your childish video game spaceship drama, because I couldn't care less. You're barking up the wrong tree little doggy.
Sir Eos Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 11	Posted - 2013.05.23 01:27:00 - [119] - Quote Continuation of my rant... Speaking of Entitled pot smoking americans... You know how many friends I have that smoke pot, on a daily basis? You know how many friends I have that smoke pot and have a steady job? You know how many friends I have that had to cheat their way past the drug screening test? You know how many friends I have that have employeers that have no ***** clue, that these people smoke pot on a daily basis? The only "entitled" pot smokers I know of are those who are not fortunate enough to be able to cheat a drug screening test. The only reason they fall under the "Entitled" category is because they remain unemployed and rely on the help of others to feed themselves because of this corporate scheme to invade a persons privacy. I want each and every one of you turds... to go smoke a joint... 1 single joint. Wait 2 weeks, without smoking. Then go apply for a job that has drug screening... and let me know what happens. Meanwhile, Alcohol and Meth..... Enough said in that regard. And.. Of all the pot smoking friends I have. The only ones who resemble the loopy-out-of-their-*****-minds lunatics...... are the ones who do more than just weed. Those friends that stick strictly to weed. Are just as normal as anyone I've ever met. BTW, I smoke pot and you know what I did to get around people wanting to invade my privacy? I started my own damn business and employ other people. You calling me entitled?
Quirky CatchPhrase The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 5	Posted - 2013.05.23 07:01:00 - [120] - Quote Eltra Ardell wrote: Osiris Ausare wrote: I was searching youtube for Dust 514 videos and I came across one where the guy is a new player trying out Dust for the first time: http://youtu.be/x_yuJ-I4N9M Numerous times throughout the video he comments/complains how complicated the game is and how many things he has to do just to start a game, as he wanted to just turn it on and jump right in. He further complains about the loading times, the "pointless" warbarge, the complicated process to find friends, how bad and complicated the sensitivity is, how long it takes to kill someone, how frustrating the LAV is to drive and that due to the complexity of the game that all he knows how to do is spawn LAVs, that its really confusing and he doesn't know the point of the game and just how complicated the game is (did I state how much he thought the game was complicated). The rest of the video is of him running around trying to kill people, complaining that he can't find his KD and that it takes forever to kill someone. The fact is this exemplifies the struggle new players, especially ones who are used to CoD and Battlefield are going to have when starting Dust. Which is ****** up because the future of this game depends on it's growth, we can't survive on just the hardcore players. Yes, I think it's sad this guy can't comprehend the game as it's easy to grasp, but he's a perfect example of what the average FPS player will be like. Further, if more of these type of videos come out, it will make it harder for us to convince people to come and try Dust. What are your thoughts on how we can increase the playerbase and get the word out there about Dust? I know one major problem is we don't have a presence on Twitch.tv, if we could get a few streamers on there showing how awesome this game is it will help immensely not mention that it could bring us to the attention of the esports community. Osiris. We don't want them. Also, why are you parroting your name after your post? Proving you remember what it is? so you're saying Goons wasn't built off of the backs of newbies? Leaving one's name at the end of a written tract is a bit of esoterica from a bygone age when paper was shipped around the world with words written upon it, the formulaic principles of polite communication dictated the name of the person to whom the letter was directed be placed at the top of the first page, and that the name of the person sending the letter be placed at the bottom of the last page. You can infer from this that communication was both lengthier and wordier than todays braying and chest beating. Q.C.



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