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Osiris Ausare
TeamPlayers EoN.
74
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Posted - 2013.05.22 17:33:00 -
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I was searching youtube for Dust 514 videos and I came across one where the guy is a new player trying out Dust for the first time: http://youtu.be/x_yuJ-I4N9M
Numerous times throughout the video he comments/complains how complicated the game is and how many things he has to do just to start a game, as he wanted to just turn it on and jump right in. He further complains about the loading times, the "pointless" warbarge, the complicated process to find friends, how bad and complicated the sensitivity is, how long it takes to kill someone, how frustrating the LAV is to drive and that due to the complexity of the game that all he knows how to do is spawn LAVs, that its really confusing and he doesn't know the point of the game and just how complicated the game is (did I state how much he thought the game was complicated). The rest of the video is of him running around trying to kill people, complaining that he can't find his KD and that it takes forever to kill someone.
The fact is this exemplifies the struggle new players, especially ones who are used to CoD and Battlefield are going to have when starting Dust. Which is ****** up because the future of this game depends on it's growth, we can't survive on just the hardcore players. Yes, I think it's sad this guy can't comprehend the game as it's easy to grasp, but he's a perfect example of what the average FPS player will be like. Further, if more of these type of videos come out, it will make it harder for us to convince people to come and try Dust.
What are your thoughts on how we can increase the playerbase and get the word out there about Dust? I know one major problem is we don't have a presence on Twitch.tv, if we could get a few streamers on there showing how awesome this game is it will help immensely not mention that it could bring us to the attention of the esports community.
Osiris. |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
548
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Posted - 2013.05.22 17:35:00 -
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sounds like this game will just require to much brain and love of leveling up for some people. |
SERPENT-Adamapple
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
50
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Posted - 2013.05.22 17:39:00 -
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Stop pubstomping instant battles with proto everything & tac ar's along with proto-squad, and leave those modes to the new players. |
tribal wyvern
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
907
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Posted - 2013.05.22 17:41:00 -
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I never watch YouTube vids of noobs playing dust. It makes me want to throw my wife out the window in a temper. It just pisses me off with their stupidity and ignorance. |
noob cavman
Shadow Company HQ
2
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Posted - 2013.05.22 17:42:00 -
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We are all in faction warfare now. Just avoid that |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
549
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Posted - 2013.05.22 17:43:00 -
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SERPENT-Adamapple wrote:Stop pubstomping instant battles with proto everything & tac ar's along with proto-squad, and leave those modes to the new players. If you have other ways for those guys to build up their fragile egos, feel free to suggest it. It must be something they can do without leaving their mothers basement though. |
Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
130
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Posted - 2013.05.22 17:48:00 -
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I"ve been here since beta. The FPS part of this game is **** broken. There are a slew of FPS games out there.. so all of them are wrong, and this MMOFPS nails it? Their is a reason why this game is standing with a 7 on meta crtitic users. and won't be an 8 by the critics either. They all wrong?
Their is a reason why you can't find anything about this game on NEOGAF, and N4G (site is ps3 heaven) are they wrong?
The game has a lot of issues man. But I like building my gundam. so that's the fun I found in this game. everything else has been done. and better.
While I play Metro last light, I go back to dust. While I play Call of juarez gunslinger. I go back to dust. But it aint cause dust is the greatest FPS game out there. |
stormtroopin
Cygnus Tactical Operations Gentlemen's Agreement
84
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Posted - 2013.05.22 17:49:00 -
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C.O.D. f@g69 wrote:I'm shooting him, but he's not dying and the sensitivity is so wierd I'm just gna end up dying cuz there's so many of them and just one of me. freakin idiot hopped out of the LAV in a group of 3+ people and tried to solo them all. complains that the guy is not dying, yet CLEARLY taking damage, but can't aim good enough to kill the last 20 hp.
someone get this kid a helmet and a box of crayons. |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
549
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Posted - 2013.05.22 17:53:00 -
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Surt gods end wrote:I"ve been here since beta. The FPS part of this game is **** broken. There are a slew of FPS games out there.. so all of them are wrong, and this MMOFPS nails it? Their is a reason why this game is standing with a 7 on meta crtitic users. and won't be an 8 by the critics either. They all wrong?
Their is a reason why you can't find anything about this game on NEOGAF, and N4G (site is ps3 heaven) are they wrong?
The game has a lot of issues man. But I like building my gundam. so that's the fun I found in this game. everything else has been done. and better.
While I play Metro last light, I go back to dust. While I play Call of juarez gunslinger. I go back to dust. But it aint cause dust is the greatest FPS game out there. search tag 'DUST 514' on n4g |
Baldr Grimm
OSG Planetary Operations
7
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Posted - 2013.05.22 17:55:00 -
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"has been out for a couple days"
...k
"You don't wanna have to read"
I'm going to keep editing to add gems from this video. |
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Stefan Stahl
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
85
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Posted - 2013.05.22 17:55:00 -
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Dust gameplay is unfortunately worst with a new character. Later on you have your advanced suits and lots of customization. At the start the lack of passive skills makes weapons feel unresponsive. Without the ability to choose the right variants for your playstyle you are forced into a role you might not enjoy at all.
All in all the game does a very poor job of managing the first 60 minutes of playtime of new players. CCP should perhaps hire a professional gamedesigner. |
SERPENT-Adamapple
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
50
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Posted - 2013.05.22 17:56:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:SERPENT-Adamapple wrote:Stop pubstomping instant battles with proto everything & tac ar's along with proto-squad, and leave those modes to the new players. If you have other ways for those guys to build up their fragile egos, feel free to suggest it. It must be something they can do without leaving their mothers basement though.
I have about 5mil SP but not in a corp. It's not just new players that are having issue. Every time I enter a IB match, of the enemy team has a bunch of corp players, we lose. If I'm on the team with the corp players, we win. If both teams have corps, it becomes a close game. That should say enough. There should be a instant battle mode that requires a certain amount of SP to enter, not WP.
And that's a lie about all corps playing faction warfare only. These corps that enter IB know exactly what they're doing with their easy mode skilled guns and proto suits. If KDR didn't matter to these corps that are doing it, they wouldn't be pubstomping IB. |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
549
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Posted - 2013.05.22 17:57:00 -
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Stefan Stahl wrote:Dust gameplay is unfortunately worst with a new character. Later on you have your advanced suits and lots of customization. At the start the lack of passive skills makes weapons feel unresponsive. Without the ability to choose the right variants for your playstyle you are forced into a role you might not enjoy at all.
All in all the game does a very poor job of managing the first 60 minutes of playtime of new players. CCP should perhaps hire a professional gamedesigner. professional hand holder you mean |
Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
130
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Posted - 2013.05.22 17:57:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:Surt gods end wrote:I"ve been here since beta. The FPS part of this game is **** broken. There are a slew of FPS games out there.. so all of them are wrong, and this MMOFPS nails it? Their is a reason why this game is standing with a 7 on meta crtitic users. and won't be an 8 by the critics either. They all wrong?
Their is a reason why you can't find anything about this game on NEOGAF, and N4G (site is ps3 heaven) are they wrong?
The game has a lot of issues man. But I like building my gundam. so that's the fun I found in this game. everything else has been done. and better.
While I play Metro last light, I go back to dust. While I play Call of juarez gunslinger. I go back to dust. But it aint cause dust is the greatest FPS game out there. search tag 'DUST 514' on n4g
I did. And almost all posts are put up by emilio. lol That guy loves this game. lol |
Raze galder
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
40
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Posted - 2013.05.22 17:58:00 -
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The dude sounds kinda stupid and a little slow and is just looking stuff to complain about |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
551
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Posted - 2013.05.22 17:59:00 -
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SERPENT-Adamapple wrote:Jin Robot wrote:SERPENT-Adamapple wrote:Stop pubstomping instant battles with proto everything & tac ar's along with proto-squad, and leave those modes to the new players. If you have other ways for those guys to build up their fragile egos, feel free to suggest it. It must be something they can do without leaving their mothers basement though. I have about 5mil SP but not in a corp. It's not just new players that are having issue. Every time I enter a IB match, of the enemy team has a bunch of corp players, we lose. If I'm on the team with the corp players, we win. If both teams have corps, it becomes a close game. That should say enough. There should be a instant battle mode that requires a certain amount of SP to enter, not WP. And that's a lie about all corps playing faction warfare only. These corps that enter IB know exactly what they're doing with their easy mode skilled guns and proto suits. If KDR didn't matter to these corps that are doing it, they wouldn't be pubstomping IB. i agree with you, pubstomping is sad and detrimental to new player growth. my response was meant to illustrate how its here as long as sad little boys need to stomp, which is forever. |
Raze galder
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
41
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Posted - 2013.05.22 17:59:00 -
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Oh man you can aim down the sights just like in cod OMG im pretty sure u can aim in any game |
Osiris Ausare
TeamPlayers EoN.
74
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Posted - 2013.05.22 18:01:00 -
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stormtroopin wrote:C.O.D. f@g69 wrote:I'm shooting him, but he's not dying and the sensitivity is so wierd I'm just gna end up dying cuz there's so many of them and just one of me. freakin idiot hopped out of the LAV in a group of 3+ people and tried to solo them all. complains that the guy is not dying, yet CLEARLY taking damage, but can't aim good enough to kill the last 20 hp. someone get this kid a helmet and a box of crayons.
But unfortunately this is an epidemic perpetuated by lonewolf games like CoD. Most of these type of players coming into Dust try fighting on their own, and when they get annihilated they get frustrated, rage and make videos like the one I posted above.
Don't forget this kid complained about all the reading he had to do. I guess it would kill him to read, but then again look at most of America who are allergic to education and commonsense.
My only question is how hard can it be to think, I guess it really does hurt to use one's brain.
Argh, this is quite frustrating.
*cries in corner for humanity* |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
551
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Posted - 2013.05.22 18:03:00 -
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Surt gods end wrote:Jin Robot wrote:Surt gods end wrote:I"ve been here since beta. The FPS part of this game is **** broken. There are a slew of FPS games out there.. so all of them are wrong, and this MMOFPS nails it? Their is a reason why this game is standing with a 7 on meta crtitic users. and won't be an 8 by the critics either. They all wrong?
Their is a reason why you can't find anything about this game on NEOGAF, and N4G (site is ps3 heaven) are they wrong?
The game has a lot of issues man. But I like building my gundam. so that's the fun I found in this game. everything else has been done. and better.
While I play Metro last light, I go back to dust. While I play Call of juarez gunslinger. I go back to dust. But it aint cause dust is the greatest FPS game out there. search tag 'DUST 514' on n4g I did. And almost all posts are put up by emilio. lol That guy loves this game. lol emilio has been busy but he has not been alone. many posts from others (unless they are emilio alts lol) CCP already stated their grassroots approach. grassroots will not create explosive growth and does not include a major advertisement push. |
Raze galder
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
41
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Posted - 2013.05.22 18:04:00 -
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My brain hurts after watching this idiot |
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SERPENT-Adamapple
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
51
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Posted - 2013.05.22 18:07:00 -
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Osiris Ausare wrote:stormtroopin wrote:C.O.D. f@g69 wrote:I'm shooting him, but he's not dying and the sensitivity is so wierd I'm just gna end up dying cuz there's so many of them and just one of me. freakin idiot hopped out of the LAV in a group of 3+ people and tried to solo them all. complains that the guy is not dying, yet CLEARLY taking damage, but can't aim good enough to kill the last 20 hp. someone get this kid a helmet and a box of crayons. But unfortunately this is an epidemic perpetuated by lonewolf games like CoD. Most of these type of players coming into Dust try fighting on their own, and when they get annihilated they get frustrated, rage and make videos like the one I posted above. Don't forget this kid complained about all the reading he had to do. I guess it would kill him to read, but then again look at most of America who are allergic to education and commonsense. My only question is how hard can it be to think, I guess it really does hurt to use one's brain. Argh, this is quite frustrating. *cries in corner for humanity*
That statement about Americans shows you are a racist bigot that's just as dum as that guy in the video.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
2388
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Posted - 2013.05.22 18:08:00 -
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Not every console player relies on half-assed YouTube videos for reviews on a game. A good game is one that is built on word of mouth through close friends in real life who like to have a second opinion from someone who already tried it for a very long time. That said, I'm pretty sure Eve Online players had the same problem 10 years ago when everyone use to think that Eve Online was crap. Eve had bugs everywhere (even more than what dust currently has), lag was a constant issue especially with large batttles, the graphics use to be so bad that they were considered mediocre even 10 years ago, and many thought that the game's harsh and unforgiving nature would be its downfall. But the players toughened up and helped CCP with fixing many problems that Eve had. In fact, some of those veteran players were quickly hired by CCP because apparently they understood the mechanics of the game far more than what CCP use to know. As a result, a strong community emerged that resulted in better improvements for the game as a whole.
Because of this, the Dust community is what Dust 514 needs to grow. CCP does need to their part as well and ramp up communications as well as hammering out the bugs as much as possible, but overall the community is Dust's primary hope. |
Osiris Ausare
TeamPlayers EoN.
74
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Posted - 2013.05.22 18:10:00 -
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SERPENT-Adamapple wrote:Osiris Ausare wrote:stormtroopin wrote:C.O.D. f@g69 wrote:I'm shooting him, but he's not dying and the sensitivity is so wierd I'm just gna end up dying cuz there's so many of them and just one of me. freakin idiot hopped out of the LAV in a group of 3+ people and tried to solo them all. complains that the guy is not dying, yet CLEARLY taking damage, but can't aim good enough to kill the last 20 hp. someone get this kid a helmet and a box of crayons. But unfortunately this is an epidemic perpetuated by lonewolf games like CoD. Most of these type of players coming into Dust try fighting on their own, and when they get annihilated they get frustrated, rage and make videos like the one I posted above. Don't forget this kid complained about all the reading he had to do. I guess it would kill him to read, but then again look at most of America who are allergic to education and commonsense. My only question is how hard can it be to think, I guess it really does hurt to use one's brain. Argh, this is quite frustrating. *cries in corner for humanity* That statement about Americans shows you are a racist bigot that's just as dum as that guy in the video.
I am American, and how am I being racist, I'm stating a fact, the education system in this country is quite lacking. furthermore the dropout rate of students as well as the abysmal grades students get are quite high. I'm not attacking them but rather stating a fact, one that scares me. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
2388
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Posted - 2013.05.22 18:10:00 -
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SERPENT-Adamapple wrote:
That statement about Americans shows you are a racist bigot that's just as dum as that guy in the video.
Um, American is a nationality, not a race. |
Vavilia Lysenko
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2013.05.22 18:11:00 -
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@OP If you are suggesting that this video is representative of the majority of FPS players, then I fear for our Planet (the real one).
Aim for the name! |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
552
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Posted - 2013.05.22 18:11:00 -
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SERPENT-Adamapple wrote:Osiris Ausare wrote:stormtroopin wrote:C.O.D. f@g69 wrote:I'm shooting him, but he's not dying and the sensitivity is so wierd I'm just gna end up dying cuz there's so many of them and just one of me. freakin idiot hopped out of the LAV in a group of 3+ people and tried to solo them all. complains that the guy is not dying, yet CLEARLY taking damage, but can't aim good enough to kill the last 20 hp. someone get this kid a helmet and a box of crayons. But unfortunately this is an epidemic perpetuated by lonewolf games like CoD. Most of these type of players coming into Dust try fighting on their own, and when they get annihilated they get frustrated, rage and make videos like the one I posted above. Don't forget this kid complained about all the reading he had to do. I guess it would kill him to read, but then again look at most of America who are allergic to education and commonsense. My only question is how hard can it be to think, I guess it really does hurt to use one's brain. Argh, this is quite frustrating. *cries in corner for humanity* That statement about Americans shows you are a racist bigot that's just as dum as that guy in the video. Thats what this thread needed racism and bigotry.
Edit for maken. Why would you defend someone who clearly made a derogatory statement about a nation of people over the words chosen to call him out with? That is sad. |
Osiris Ausare
TeamPlayers EoN.
74
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Posted - 2013.05.22 18:14:00 -
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Vavilia Lysenko wrote:@OP If you are suggesting that this video is representative of the majority of FPS players, then I fear for our Planet (the real one).
Aim for the name!
I never said that all FPS players are like this, I'm pointing out how some players will react to a game that is vastly different then most FPS games, and that as a result of this negative reaction they will post videos like this, comment negatively and overall hurt the progression of the game. |
Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate
89
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Posted - 2013.05.22 18:16:00 -
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The community should make their own tutorials. I've had to explain the comms and squading up numerous times. If anyone makes a decent video I would refer hundreds of newbies to it. You could do a series with all the basic info. |
Battle Android Trooper
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.05.22 18:19:00 -
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SERPENT-Adamapple wrote:Jin Robot wrote:SERPENT-Adamapple wrote:Stop pubstomping instant battles with proto everything & tac ar's along with proto-squad, and leave those modes to the new players. If you have other ways for those guys to build up their fragile egos, feel free to suggest it. It must be something they can do without leaving their mothers basement though. I have about 5mil SP but not in a corp. It's not just new players that are having issues. Every time I enter a IB match, if the enemy team has a bunch of corp players, we lose. If I'm on the team with the corp players, we win. If both teams have corps, it becomes a close game. That should say enough. There should be a instant battle mode that requires a certain amount of SP to enter, not WP. And that's a lie about all corps playing faction warfare only. These corps that enter IB know exactly what they're doing with their easy mode skilless guns and proto suits. If KDR didn't matter to these corps that are doing it, they wouldn't be pubstomping IB.
Man I wish I could give you a +100. These corps roll up into these pub battles full of proto gear stomping beginners...and thinking that they are the ****. Must be so hard to kill that new player fitted in all militia gear....gtfoh... |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
554
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Posted - 2013.05.22 18:19:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:SERPENT-Adamapple wrote:
That statement about Americans shows you are a racist bigot that's just as dum as that guy in the video.
Um, American is a nationality, not a race. defending an attack on a nation of people by pointing out the words chosen to point it out. you should run for politics, you seem to have the lack of morals needed. or maybe you think this thread needs to go down the "bash americans" path. you and your friend are right, the problem lies with american intelligence. brilliant |
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