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Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4551	Posted - 2013.05.22 19:21:00 - [61] - Quote There is the problem of player skill as well, I mean I killed like... 8 proto suits in militia gear last round.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1378	Posted - 2013.05.22 19:23:00 - [62] - Quote CCP is quite possibly the worst developer I've ever seen in regards to communicating how their game works to players, IN GAME. Hell, they don't even post their announcements in game, they put them here on a forum on a website that the large majority of the player population NEVER visits. They don't explain squads, they don't explain corporations, they don't explain the game modes, they don't explain the gun mechanics, they don't explain OBJECTIVES, they don't explain supply depots, they don't explain spawning or uplinks, they don't explain ANY equipment, they don't explain shields vs armor, they don't explain vehicles... on and on and on... It's absolutely ridiculous.
Samahiel Goonfeet 29	Posted - 2013.05.22 19:24:00 - [63] - Quote Dexter Peabody wrote: i dont want a player like that in the new eden universe I do, the isk I scam for my next plex has to come from somewhere.
UK-Shots Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 89	Posted - 2013.05.22 19:27:00 - [64] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: CCP is quite possibly the worst developer I've ever seen in regards to communicating how their game works to players, IN GAME. Hell, they don't even post their announcements in game, they put them here on a forum on a website that the large majority of the player population NEVER visits. They don't explain squads, they don't explain corporations, they don't explain the game modes, they don't explain the gun mechanics, they don't explain OBJECTIVES, they don't explain supply depots, they don't explain spawning or uplinks, they don't explain ANY equipment, they don't explain shields vs armor, they don't explain vehicles... on and on and on... It's absolutely ridiculous. there is quite alot of hidden things in dust. ..the lack of explanation and tutorials in game is quite bad though.. i would of deleted dust along time ago ..if i never new about these forums
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 131	Posted - 2013.05.22 19:28:00 - [65] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: There is the problem of player skill as well, I mean I killed like... 8 proto suits in militia gear last round. Is that what happened with all the ISK everyone got back? It's like every game I play, it's all proto! not that I'm complaining. But damn, I've lost count how many I've killed.
Samahiel Goonfeet 29	Posted - 2013.05.22 19:28:00 - [66] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: CCP is quite possibly the worst developer I've ever seen in regards to communicating how their game works to players, IN GAME. Hell, they don't even post their announcements in game, they put them here on a forum on a website that the large majority of the player population NEVER visits. They don't explain squads, they don't explain corporations, they don't explain the game modes, they don't explain the gun mechanics, they don't explain OBJECTIVES, they don't explain supply depots, they don't explain spawning or uplinks, they don't explain ANY equipment, they don't explain shields vs armor, they don't explain vehicles... on and on and on... It's absolutely ridiculous. You're a member of Test you should feel ashamed for not knowing the answer to this. CCP makes MMOs that are about players organizing as much as possible themselves. Test was built to create community, tutorials, training aids, support, and common purpose for your pilots. It's not to big of a leap to expect you to do the same in dust. Jesus, no wonder you guys can't keep a coalition together.
Jin Robot Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 561	Posted - 2013.05.22 19:28:00 - [67] - Quote UK-Shots wrote: Jin Robot wrote: UK-Shots wrote: lol he clearly hasnt pressed half the buttons on his pad. you just have to put abit of time into learning it rather then just deleting it. ive been playing about 20 days and i pretty much know the game like the back of my hand are you saying if you can do it anyone can? with abit of time and patients. its not hard.. but you have to like the game to even wanna learn. if your not sure about somethin use google.. the warbage is annoying. it only seems to come up when im in a squad I just thought you meant you came from COD or other FPSs and adjusted. I dont think its that hard either, the depth is a reason I like the game.
KING ZUMA The Unholy Legion of Darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY 19	Posted - 2013.05.22 19:29:00 - [68] - Quote My brain hurts when I read more than 50 words... put all the tutorials into a non-boring, non-skippable and short as possible video?
Reign Omega Quafe Runners 20	Posted - 2013.05.22 19:29:00 - [69] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: I beat the **** out of imps with a freefit scout suit. Plus, I have no skill into dropsuits yet. Had to +1 Godin for actually making an attempt to reach out and offer a hand to this kid, more of us need to drop the Hero and help the Zeroes lol. Has nothing to do with his Imp beatings...or whatever. I know when I first started I was solo, August 2012, and I didn't like the game one bit. It's hard to see a FPS and not think "Shoot= Kill". I put the game down for 3 or 4 months and was actually about to come back and delete it (I needed space for some other FPS on my HD lol). I booted the game up and took a peek, and was surprised by the changes it had undergone. I also met a random player during a pub match (After I figured out how to activate chat and join a squad, Adam Average if you read this THANKS!) who explained a great deal of the game to me. I'm old school though, menus and text don't scare me. There has to be a way to make it easier for the Vets to reach out to New players, and I think it does have a bit to do with not trying to steamroll pub matches for mx SP and stat pimping... Side note: Like it or not, some people are just not that smart and this game will not be for everyone, but we can try right?
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 2391	Posted - 2013.05.22 19:30:00 - [70] - Quote Jaron Pollard wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Anyways, I place the blame on the mainstream gaming companies like EA, Activision, Epic Games, Infinity Ward, etc. for creating a culture within the gaming industry in which a portion of the console players have entitlement issues. Thankfullly, not all console players are that selfish and I hope in the future that Dust can finally show everyone everything that is wrong with the culture of the industry. I'm glad you left Bungie out of it... you might consider me a 'fanboi', but so far, they haven't done too much to account for this culture of entitlement. And I'm looking forward to Destiny, especially since it's slated for release on four different consoles. I do wish they'd make it on PC though Thank you for reminding me. I completely forgot about Bungie. But for the sake of their dignity I'm not gonna get started with the glitches they created and left unresolved to this day. Even 343 Industries failed to resolve them.

UK-Shots Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 90	Posted - 2013.05.22 19:32:00 - [71] - Quote Jin Robot wrote: UK-Shots wrote: Jin Robot wrote: UK-Shots wrote: lol he clearly hasnt pressed half the buttons on his pad. you just have to put abit of time into learning it rather then just deleting it. ive been playing about 20 days and i pretty much know the game like the back of my hand are you saying if you can do it anyone can? with abit of time and patients. its not hard.. but you have to like the game to even wanna learn. if your not sure about somethin use google.. the warbage is annoying. it only seems to come up when im in a squad I just thought you meant you came from COD or other FPSs and adjusted. I dont think its that hard either, the depth is a reason I like the game. ive played nothin but cod and bf on my ps3 and now dust
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1380	Posted - 2013.05.22 19:34:00 - [72] - Quote Samahiel wrote: Baal Roo wrote: CCP is quite possibly the worst developer I've ever seen in regards to communicating how their game works to players, IN GAME. Hell, they don't even post their announcements in game, they put them here on a forum on a website that the large majority of the player population NEVER visits. They don't explain squads, they don't explain corporations, they don't explain the game modes, they don't explain the gun mechanics, they don't explain OBJECTIVES, they don't explain supply depots, they don't explain spawning or uplinks, they don't explain ANY equipment, they don't explain shields vs armor, they don't explain vehicles... on and on and on... It's absolutely ridiculous. You're a member of Test you should feel ashamed for not knowing the answer to this. CCP makes MMOs that are about players organizing as much as possible themselves. Test was built to create community, tutorials, training aids, support, and common purpose for your pilots. It's not to big of a leap to expect you to do the same in dust. Jesus, no wonder you guys can't keep a coalition together. What a nonsense argument. I'm not the developer of the game, and I don't care how poorly made EVE is. If CCP wants an FPS F2P game on consoles to survive, they have to learn to actually develop videogames, not develop half a game and wait for players to develop the rest of it for them.
Eltra Ardell Goonfeet 108	Posted - 2013.05.22 19:34:00 - [73] - Quote UK-Shots wrote: ive played nothin but cod and bf on my ps3 and now dust That explains a lot about the way you type.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 2392	Posted - 2013.05.22 19:39:00 - [74] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: Samahiel wrote: Baal Roo wrote: CCP is quite possibly the worst developer I've ever seen in regards to communicating how their game works to players, IN GAME. Hell, they don't even post their announcements in game, they put them here on a forum on a website that the large majority of the player population NEVER visits. They don't explain squads, they don't explain corporations, they don't explain the game modes, they don't explain the gun mechanics, they don't explain OBJECTIVES, they don't explain supply depots, they don't explain spawning or uplinks, they don't explain ANY equipment, they don't explain shields vs armor, they don't explain vehicles... on and on and on... It's absolutely ridiculous. You're a member of Test you should feel ashamed for not knowing the answer to this. CCP makes MMOs that are about players organizing as much as possible themselves. Test was built to create community, tutorials, training aids, support, and common purpose for your pilots. It's not to big of a leap to expect you to do the same in dust. Jesus, no wonder you guys can't keep a coalition together. What a nonsense argument. I'm not the developer of the game, and I don't care how poorly made EVE is. If CCP wants an FPS F2P game on consoles to survive, they have to learn to actually develop videogames, not develop half a game and wait for players to develop the rest of it for them. When was the last time you ever played Eve? Have you ever played Eve at all?
UK-Shots Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 91	Posted - 2013.05.22 19:45:00 - [75] - Quote Eltra Ardell wrote: UK-Shots wrote: ive played nothin but cod and bf on my ps3 and now dust That explains a lot about the way you type. is there some special typing skill that im not aware of
Killar-12 The Unholy Legion of Darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY 3	Posted - 2013.05.22 19:45:00 - [76] - Quote Wow, This is amazing I didn't think that someone like that could even download DUST 514 let alone play it.
DeadlyAztec11 One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed. 319	Posted - 2013.05.22 19:47:00 - [77] - Quote The thing is, Dust is not for casual gamers, it will NEVER get as many people on as COD, HALO, CS or BF Why? You must always strive for gear over skill. You could be a good player, though, if you are constantly getting rolled over because someone has better gear then you, you will probably give up. Unless you are very stubborn and a hardcore gamer. This game is not like other shooters, you can not just leave for a month or two and expect it to stay the same. The best tactic in game is "mob assaulting"; going around in a large group attacking smaller groups. Like Pac - Man eating ghosts lol Also, a lot of the community is very un-welcoming. The general vibe around here is "HTFU* and go back to COD!"* The Excuses for this game still retaining many bugs is "work in progress" and now that the Beta tag is gone, peple are saying "just because Dust is released does not mean it's finished," Let us all get really acquainted because this game is going to be a small fish in a big pond with some really freakin' huge fish.
Bones McGavins TacoCat Industries 247	Posted - 2013.05.22 19:53:00 - [78] - Quote One valid point was the training playlist not really explaining to you what is happening and why you cant pick your game type. We all know what it is, because we saw it get deployed, but it may actually confuse the hell out of the folks who actually use it.
Samahiel Goonfeet 31	Posted - 2013.05.22 19:53:00 - [79] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: What a nonsense argument. I'm not the developer of the game, and I don't care how poorly made EVE is. If CCP wants an FPS F2P game on consoles to survive, they have to learn to actually develop videogames, not develop half a game and wait for players to develop the rest of it for them. Stop acting like a mewling pubbie and take some pride in that corp tag you're wearing. You're job is to make sure that your new bros have every tool and trick they need to take advantage of the masses, not ***** and whine to have the devs hand you everything on a silver platter like some High Sec carebear who's freighter I just popped in uedama. Edit: also tell Dent to stop being a scrub and get on jabber/skype
Kalante Schiffer Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 294	Posted - 2013.05.22 20:17:00 - [80] - Quote great another useless reviewer comparing it to the lowest of standards today. call of duty... nothing new people. people like this are not even gamers hence their opinions are worthless. just like a hobo trying to act as if he was a Judge.

Abu Stij Goonfeet 78	Posted - 2013.05.22 20:37:00 - [81] - Quote Samahiel wrote: You're a member of Test you should feel ashamed for not knowing the answer to this. CCP makes MMOs that are about players organizing as much as possible themselves. Test was built to create community, tutorials, training aids, support, and common purpose for your pilots. It's not to big of a leap to expect you to do the same in dust. Jesus, no wonder you guys can't keep a coalition together. To be fair, HBC fell started to fall apart when PL left and TEST though having Montolio as their leader was a good plan. Baal Roo wrote: What a nonsense argument. I'm not the developer of the game, and I don't care how poorly made EVE is. If CCP wants an FPS F2P game on consoles to survive, they have to learn to actually develop videogames, not develop half a game and wait for players to develop the rest of it for them. This argument is far more nonsensical than Samahiel's. If you ever took the time to look at CCP's history, dating back to their first game which was a board game, they're all about making games that have a more social and inter-community based experience and not simply having a dull rehash of the same sort of game you just bought six months ago. It's called "the sandbox" for a reason, go watch the presentations CCP did at FanFest this year, and in years past, to realize the game isn't just about running around and shooting things, you're expected to build your community both inside and outside the game. As a member of one of the larger Alliances in New Eden, its embarrassing to your alliance and corp mates that you haven't learned this simple and true fact. Stop being anti-social and learn how to work with your corp & Alliance mates over expecting things to be handed to you.
KING SALASI MAJOR DISTRIBUTION 13	Posted - 2013.05.22 20:57:00 - [82] - Quote Osiris Ausare wrote: I was searching youtube for Dust 514 videos and I came across one where the guy is a new player trying out Dust for the first time: http://youtu.be/x_yuJ-I4N9M Numerous times throughout the video he comments/complains how complicated the game is and how many things he has to do just to start a game, as he wanted to just turn it on and jump right in. He further complains about the loading times, the "pointless" warbarge, the complicated process to find friends, how bad and complicated the sensitivity is, how long it takes to kill someone, how frustrating the LAV is to drive and that due to the complexity of the game that all he knows how to do is spawn LAVs, that its really confusing and he doesn't know the point of the game and just how complicated the game is (did I state how much he thought the game was complicated). The rest of the video is of him running around trying to kill people, complaining that he can't find his KD and that it takes forever to kill someone. The fact is this exemplifies the struggle new players, especially ones who are used to CoD and Battlefield are going to have when starting Dust. Which is ****** up because the future of this game depends on it's growth, we can't survive on just the hardcore players. Yes, I think it's sad this guy can't comprehend the game as it's easy to grasp, but he's a perfect example of what the average FPS player will be like. Further, if more of these type of videos come out, it will make it harder for us to convince people to come and try Dust. What are your thoughts on how we can increase the playerbase and get the word out there about Dust? I know one major problem is we don't have a presence on Twitch.tv, if we could get a few streamers on there showing how awesome this game is it will help immensely not mention that it could bring us to the attention of the esports community. Osiris. My son is 13 he understands dust completely. This dude is just a stupid noob. Like i said before you need some type of intellect to play dust. Games like cod doesn't require thinking. Lol noobs Jah Bless
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1382	Posted - 2013.05.22 20:58:00 - [83] - Quote Samahiel wrote: Baal Roo wrote: What a nonsense argument. I'm not the developer of the game, and I don't care how poorly made EVE is. If CCP wants an FPS F2P game on consoles to survive, they have to learn to actually develop videogames, not develop half a game and wait for players to develop the rest of it for them. Stop acting like a mewling pubbie and take some pride in that corp tag you're wearing. You're job is to make sure that your new bros have every tool and trick they need to take advantage of the masses, not ***** and whine to have the devs hand you everything on a silver platter like some High Sec carebear whose freighter I just popped in uedama. Edit: also tell Dent to stop being a scrub and get on jabber/skype I could spin that right back on you. Goons are the ones who are supposed to remind us that this is just a game. Funny how the tides can turn. Tell Dent to get on jabber/skype yourself, I'm not impressed with your namedropping.
KING SALASI MAJOR DISTRIBUTION 13	Posted - 2013.05.22 20:59:00 - [84] - Quote Osiris Ausare wrote: I was searching youtube for Dust 514 videos and I came across one where the guy is a new player trying out Dust for the first time: http://youtu.be/x_yuJ-I4N9M Numerous times throughout the video he comments/complains how complicated the game is and how many things he has to do just to start a game, as he wanted to just turn it on and jump right in. He further complains about the loading times, the "pointless" warbarge, the complicated process to find friends, how bad and complicated the sensitivity is, how long it takes to kill someone, how frustrating the LAV is to drive and that due to the complexity of the game that all he knows how to do is spawn LAVs, that its really confusing and he doesn't know the point of the game and just how complicated the game is (did I state how much he thought the game was complicated). The rest of the video is of him running around trying to kill people, complaining that he can't find his KD and that it takes forever to kill someone. The fact is this exemplifies the struggle new players, especially ones who are used to CoD and Battlefield are going to have when starting Dust. Which is ****** up because the future of this game depends on it's growth, we can't survive on just the hardcore players. Yes, I think it's sad this guy can't comprehend the game as it's easy to grasp, but he's a perfect example of what the average FPS player will be like. Further, if more of these type of videos come out, it will make it harder for us to convince people to come and try Dust. What are your thoughts on how we can increase the playerbase and get the word out there about Dust? I know one major problem is we don't have a presence on Twitch.tv, if we could get a few streamers on there showing how awesome this game is it will help immensely not mention that it could bring us to the attention of the esports community. Osiris. My son is 13 he understands dust completely. This dude is just a stupid noob. Like i said before you need some type of intellect to play dust. Games like cod doesn't require thinking. Lol noobs Jah Bless
KING SALASI MAJOR DISTRIBUTION 13	Posted - 2013.05.22 20:59:00 - [85] - Quote Osiris Ausare wrote: I was searching youtube for Dust 514 videos and I came across one where the guy is a new player trying out Dust for the first time: http://youtu.be/x_yuJ-I4N9M Numerous times throughout the video he comments/complains how complicated the game is and how many things he has to do just to start a game, as he wanted to just turn it on and jump right in. He further complains about the loading times, the "pointless" warbarge, the complicated process to find friends, how bad and complicated the sensitivity is, how long it takes to kill someone, how frustrating the LAV is to drive and that due to the complexity of the game that all he knows how to do is spawn LAVs, that its really confusing and he doesn't know the point of the game and just how complicated the game is (did I state how much he thought the game was complicated). The rest of the video is of him running around trying to kill people, complaining that he can't find his KD and that it takes forever to kill someone. The fact is this exemplifies the struggle new players, especially ones who are used to CoD and Battlefield are going to have when starting Dust. Which is ****** up because the future of this game depends on it's growth, we can't survive on just the hardcore players. Yes, I think it's sad this guy can't comprehend the game as it's easy to grasp, but he's a perfect example of what the average FPS player will be like. Further, if more of these type of videos come out, it will make it harder for us to convince people to come and try Dust. What are your thoughts on how we can increase the playerbase and get the word out there about Dust? I know one major problem is we don't have a presence on Twitch.tv, if we could get a few streamers on there showing how awesome this game is it will help immensely not mention that it could bring us to the attention of the esports community. Osiris. My son is 13 he understands dust completely. This dude is just a stupid noob. Like i said before you need some type of intellect to play dust. Games like cod doesn't require thinking. Lol noobs Jah Bless
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1382	Posted - 2013.05.22 21:03:00 - [86] - Quote Abu Stij wrote: Samahiel wrote: You're a member of Test you should feel ashamed for not knowing the answer to this. CCP makes MMOs that are about players organizing as much as possible themselves. Test was built to create community, tutorials, training aids, support, and common purpose for your pilots. It's not to big of a leap to expect you to do the same in dust. Jesus, no wonder you guys can't keep a coalition together. To be fair, HBC fell started to fall apart when PL left and TEST though having Montolio as their leader was a good plan. Baal Roo wrote: What a nonsense argument. I'm not the developer of the game, and I don't care how poorly made EVE is. If CCP wants an FPS F2P game on consoles to survive, they have to learn to actually develop videogames, not develop half a game and wait for players to develop the rest of it for them. This argument is far more nonsensical than Samahiel's. If you ever took the time to look at CCP's history, dating back to their first game which was a board game, they're all about making games that have a more social and inter-community based experience and not simply having a dull rehash of the same sort of game you just bought six months ago. It's called "the sandbox" for a reason, go watch the presentations CCP did at FanFest this year, and in years past, to realize the game isn't just about running around and shooting things, you're expected to build your community both inside and outside the game. As a member of one of the larger Alliances in New Eden, its embarrassing to your alliance and corp mates that you haven't learned this simple and true fact. Stop being anti-social and learn how to work with your corp & Alliance mates over expecting things to be handed to you. I hate to break it to you, but you're kind of ugly for a cheerleader. Nothing you've said relates in any way whatsoever to the problems being addressed here. This has nothing to do with my corp, because my own corp is mostly insulated from the problems of CCP's **** poor game design. If you want new players from the console market to understand that the game is about more than just running around and shooting things, SOMEONE NEEDS TO TELL THEM THAT, and considering it's CCP that's looking to make a profit from people playing the game, it makes sense for it to be THEM. If you want to do CCP's job for them, more power to you, but I expect more from a developer. It's sad that you don't.
Severance Pay Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 224	Posted - 2013.05.22 21:05:00 - [87] - Quote Osiris Ausare wrote: I was searching youtube for Dust 514 videos and I came across one where the guy is a new player trying out Dust for the first time: http://youtu.be/x_yuJ-I4N9M Numerous times throughout the video he comments/complains how complicated the game is and how many things he has to do just to start a game, as he wanted to just turn it on and jump right in. He further complains about the loading times, the "pointless" warbarge, the complicated process to find friends, how bad and complicated the sensitivity is, how long it takes to kill someone, how frustrating the LAV is to drive and that due to the complexity of the game that all he knows how to do is spawn LAVs, that its really confusing and he doesn't know the point of the game and just how complicated the game is (did I state how much he thought the game was complicated). The rest of the video is of him running around trying to kill people, complaining that he can't find his KD and that it takes forever to kill someone. The fact is this exemplifies the struggle new players, especially ones who are used to CoD and Battlefield are going to have when starting Dust. Which is ****** up because the future of this game depends on it's growth, we can't survive on just the hardcore players. Yes, I think it's sad this guy can't comprehend the game as it's easy to grasp, but he's a perfect example of what the average FPS player will be like. Further, if more of these type of videos come out, it will make it harder for us to convince people to come and try Dust. What are your thoughts on how we can increase the playerbase and get the word out there about Dust? I know one major problem is we don't have a presence on Twitch.tv, if we could get a few streamers on there showing how awesome this game is it will help immensely not mention that it could bring us to the attention of the esports community. Osiris. I wanted to see where he calls the warbage pointless, but he what he really does is funnier. He is walking around clueless what to do, then he opens the chat menu, he looks at the team list with lots of squads with empty slots, and he says "can someone tell me what I am supposed to do here?"
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1382	Posted - 2013.05.22 21:14:00 - [88] - Quote KING SALASI wrote: Osiris Ausare wrote: I was searching youtube for Dust 514 videos and I came across one where the guy is a new player trying out Dust for the first time: http://youtu.be/x_yuJ-I4N9M Numerous times throughout the video he comments/complains how complicated the game is and how many things he has to do just to start a game, as he wanted to just turn it on and jump right in. He further complains about the loading times, the "pointless" warbarge, the complicated process to find friends, how bad and complicated the sensitivity is, how long it takes to kill someone, how frustrating the LAV is to drive and that due to the complexity of the game that all he knows how to do is spawn LAVs, that its really confusing and he doesn't know the point of the game and just how complicated the game is (did I state how much he thought the game was complicated). The rest of the video is of him running around trying to kill people, complaining that he can't find his KD and that it takes forever to kill someone. The fact is this exemplifies the struggle new players, especially ones who are used to CoD and Battlefield are going to have when starting Dust. Which is ****** up because the future of this game depends on it's growth, we can't survive on just the hardcore players. Yes, I think it's sad this guy can't comprehend the game as it's easy to grasp, but he's a perfect example of what the average FPS player will be like. Further, if more of these type of videos come out, it will make it harder for us to convince people to come and try Dust. What are your thoughts on how we can increase the playerbase and get the word out there about Dust? I know one major problem is we don't have a presence on Twitch.tv, if we could get a few streamers on there showing how awesome this game is it will help immensely not mention that it could bring us to the attention of the esports community. Osiris. My son is 13 he understands dust completely. This dude is just a stupid noob. Like i said before you need some type of intellect to play dust. Games like cod doesn't require thinking. Lol noobs Jah Bless The difference is your son is your son. He's seen you play, he KNOWS there's more to it than what it seems on the surface. To the uninitiated, Dust 514 is just a random F2P game. They download it on a lark, and give it a few minutes of their time to decide if they want to bother with it. This doesn't mean they are "stupid," but I do suppose it means they are "noobs." This isn't Eve Online where players come into it expecting to pay a monthly fee, and looking for the challenge that they've heard about from other PC players. This is a random console game, and the average player knows nothing about it. They boot the game up, play a couple matches, and make a call about whether or not they want to keep bothering. They have no investment in the game, and no investment in the Eve Universe. To expect them to just intuit that the game doesn't suck after having a completely sucky new player experience is silly. You can be a smug prick and pretend like these people are idiots for not being fanboys who read the forums and follow dev blogs, but I think that has more to do with your own shortcomings than those of the players. Sure, maybe the guy in the video is an idiot, I don't know the guy and I don't know how much of his review is genuine, and how much is him trying to gain viewers (being a "personality" and such). What I DO know is that there is a LOT of basic information that every vet knows is important that CCP could go ahead and give the new players up front. There's nothing wrong with showing a new player who boots up the client for the first time what it is that makes the game tick. There's no special medal for slogging through the crap to get to the gold, it doesn't make you smarter or more sophisticated than these other people, it just means you invested a bit more time into the game on either a hunch, or based on your knowledge of the Eve Universe. Having a decent new player experience doesn't have to take away from the complexity or the sandbox nature of the game, and just laughing at a new player does nothing to help that new player see why it is that we all play this game. We can be a bunch of smug assholes because we just happen to know more about the game, and CCP can continue that smugness if they want (as they have done so far). Honestly though, I'd rather CCP work to ENTICE new players to keep playing, and let those new players either stay or leave based on what they think of the ACTUAL game. Not do what they do now, putting up roadblocks and hiding vital information from them. If CCP would give players the info they need up front about how the game works, we would be left with those who would actually want to play the game for what it is.
Turan chiron Raymond James Corp 5	Posted - 2013.05.22 21:22:00 - [89] - Quote Truly if someone is too lazy to read up on a game it's their fault. This game is far too complicated for a few tutorials and that's the way I like it. Really do you want to play with some kid who is too add to pay attention to the battle and is just trying to nova knife ppl? The guy who made the video is a complete idiot and should be ashamed to call himself a gamer
Laheon Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 604	Posted - 2013.05.22 21:27:00 - [90] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: If CCP would give players the info they need up front about how the game works, we would be left with those who would actually want to play the game for what it is. They do. One of the first windows to pop up when you make a new character is the tutorial window. The player in the video just ignores them. CCP can't help it if players don't read the tutorial.



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