DUST Search - Another Video of New Players Struggling to understand the game

KING SALASI wrote:

Osiris Ausare wrote:

I was searching youtube for Dust 514 videos and I came across one where the guy is a new player trying out Dust for the first time: http://youtu.be/x_yuJ-I4N9M

Numerous times throughout the video he comments/complains how complicated the game is and how many things he has to do just to start a game, as he wanted to just turn it on and jump right in. He further complains about the loading times, the "pointless" warbarge, the complicated process to find friends, how bad and complicated the sensitivity is, how long it takes to kill someone, how frustrating the LAV is to drive and that due to the complexity of the game that all he knows how to do is spawn LAVs, that its really confusing and he doesn't know the point of the game and just how complicated the game is (did I state how much he thought the game was complicated). The rest of the video is of him running around trying to kill people, complaining that he can't find his KD and that it takes forever to kill someone.

The fact is this exemplifies the struggle new players, especially ones who are used to CoD and Battlefield are going to have when starting Dust. Which is ****** up because the future of this game depends on it's growth, we can't survive on just the hardcore players. Yes, I think it's sad this guy can't comprehend the game as it's easy to grasp, but he's a perfect example of what the average FPS player will be like. Further, if more of these type of videos come out, it will make it harder for us to convince people to come and try Dust.

What are your thoughts on how we can increase the playerbase and get the word out there about Dust? I know one major problem is we don't have a presence on Twitch.tv, if we could get a few streamers on there showing how awesome this game is it will help immensely not mention that it could bring us to the attention of the esports community.

Osiris.

My son is 13 he understands dust completely. This dude is just a stupid noob. Like i said before you need some type of intellect to play dust. Games like cod doesn't require thinking.

Lol noobs

Jah Bless


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Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1378	Posted - 2013.05.22 19:23:00 - [1] - Quote CCP is quite possibly the worst developer I've ever seen in regards to communicating how their game works to players, IN GAME. Hell, they don't even post their announcements in game, they put them here on a forum on a website that the large majority of the player population NEVER visits. They don't explain squads, they don't explain corporations, they don't explain the game modes, they don't explain the gun mechanics, they don't explain OBJECTIVES, they don't explain supply depots, they don't explain spawning or uplinks, they don't explain ANY equipment, they don't explain shields vs armor, they don't explain vehicles... on and on and on... It's absolutely ridiculous.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1380	Posted - 2013.05.22 19:34:00 - [2] - Quote Samahiel wrote: Baal Roo wrote: CCP is quite possibly the worst developer I've ever seen in regards to communicating how their game works to players, IN GAME. Hell, they don't even post their announcements in game, they put them here on a forum on a website that the large majority of the player population NEVER visits. They don't explain squads, they don't explain corporations, they don't explain the game modes, they don't explain the gun mechanics, they don't explain OBJECTIVES, they don't explain supply depots, they don't explain spawning or uplinks, they don't explain ANY equipment, they don't explain shields vs armor, they don't explain vehicles... on and on and on... It's absolutely ridiculous. You're a member of Test you should feel ashamed for not knowing the answer to this. CCP makes MMOs that are about players organizing as much as possible themselves. Test was built to create community, tutorials, training aids, support, and common purpose for your pilots. It's not to big of a leap to expect you to do the same in dust. Jesus, no wonder you guys can't keep a coalition together. What a nonsense argument. I'm not the developer of the game, and I don't care how poorly made EVE is. If CCP wants an FPS F2P game on consoles to survive, they have to learn to actually develop videogames, not develop half a game and wait for players to develop the rest of it for them.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1382	Posted - 2013.05.22 20:58:00 - [3] - Quote Samahiel wrote: Baal Roo wrote: What a nonsense argument. I'm not the developer of the game, and I don't care how poorly made EVE is. If CCP wants an FPS F2P game on consoles to survive, they have to learn to actually develop videogames, not develop half a game and wait for players to develop the rest of it for them. Stop acting like a mewling pubbie and take some pride in that corp tag you're wearing. You're job is to make sure that your new bros have every tool and trick they need to take advantage of the masses, not ***** and whine to have the devs hand you everything on a silver platter like some High Sec carebear whose freighter I just popped in uedama. Edit: also tell Dent to stop being a scrub and get on jabber/skype I could spin that right back on you. Goons are the ones who are supposed to remind us that this is just a game. Funny how the tides can turn. Tell Dent to get on jabber/skype yourself, I'm not impressed with your namedropping.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1382	Posted - 2013.05.22 21:03:00 - [4] - Quote Abu Stij wrote: Samahiel wrote: You're a member of Test you should feel ashamed for not knowing the answer to this. CCP makes MMOs that are about players organizing as much as possible themselves. Test was built to create community, tutorials, training aids, support, and common purpose for your pilots. It's not to big of a leap to expect you to do the same in dust. Jesus, no wonder you guys can't keep a coalition together. To be fair, HBC fell started to fall apart when PL left and TEST though having Montolio as their leader was a good plan. Baal Roo wrote: What a nonsense argument. I'm not the developer of the game, and I don't care how poorly made EVE is. If CCP wants an FPS F2P game on consoles to survive, they have to learn to actually develop videogames, not develop half a game and wait for players to develop the rest of it for them. This argument is far more nonsensical than Samahiel's. If you ever took the time to look at CCP's history, dating back to their first game which was a board game, they're all about making games that have a more social and inter-community based experience and not simply having a dull rehash of the same sort of game you just bought six months ago. It's called "the sandbox" for a reason, go watch the presentations CCP did at FanFest this year, and in years past, to realize the game isn't just about running around and shooting things, you're expected to build your community both inside and outside the game. As a member of one of the larger Alliances in New Eden, its embarrassing to your alliance and corp mates that you haven't learned this simple and true fact. Stop being anti-social and learn how to work with your corp & Alliance mates over expecting things to be handed to you. I hate to break it to you, but you're kind of ugly for a cheerleader. Nothing you've said relates in any way whatsoever to the problems being addressed here. This has nothing to do with my corp, because my own corp is mostly insulated from the problems of CCP's **** poor game design. If you want new players from the console market to understand that the game is about more than just running around and shooting things, SOMEONE NEEDS TO TELL THEM THAT, and considering it's CCP that's looking to make a profit from people playing the game, it makes sense for it to be THEM. If you want to do CCP's job for them, more power to you, but I expect more from a developer. It's sad that you don't.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1382	Posted - 2013.05.22 21:14:00 - [5] - Quote KING SALASI wrote: Osiris Ausare wrote: I was searching youtube for Dust 514 videos and I came across one where the guy is a new player trying out Dust for the first time: http://youtu.be/x_yuJ-I4N9M Numerous times throughout the video he comments/complains how complicated the game is and how many things he has to do just to start a game, as he wanted to just turn it on and jump right in. He further complains about the loading times, the "pointless" warbarge, the complicated process to find friends, how bad and complicated the sensitivity is, how long it takes to kill someone, how frustrating the LAV is to drive and that due to the complexity of the game that all he knows how to do is spawn LAVs, that its really confusing and he doesn't know the point of the game and just how complicated the game is (did I state how much he thought the game was complicated). The rest of the video is of him running around trying to kill people, complaining that he can't find his KD and that it takes forever to kill someone. The fact is this exemplifies the struggle new players, especially ones who are used to CoD and Battlefield are going to have when starting Dust. Which is ****** up because the future of this game depends on it's growth, we can't survive on just the hardcore players. Yes, I think it's sad this guy can't comprehend the game as it's easy to grasp, but he's a perfect example of what the average FPS player will be like. Further, if more of these type of videos come out, it will make it harder for us to convince people to come and try Dust. What are your thoughts on how we can increase the playerbase and get the word out there about Dust? I know one major problem is we don't have a presence on Twitch.tv, if we could get a few streamers on there showing how awesome this game is it will help immensely not mention that it could bring us to the attention of the esports community. Osiris. My son is 13 he understands dust completely. This dude is just a stupid noob. Like i said before you need some type of intellect to play dust. Games like cod doesn't require thinking. Lol noobs Jah Bless The difference is your son is your son. He's seen you play, he KNOWS there's more to it than what it seems on the surface. To the uninitiated, Dust 514 is just a random F2P game. They download it on a lark, and give it a few minutes of their time to decide if they want to bother with it. This doesn't mean they are "stupid," but I do suppose it means they are "noobs." This isn't Eve Online where players come into it expecting to pay a monthly fee, and looking for the challenge that they've heard about from other PC players. This is a random console game, and the average player knows nothing about it. They boot the game up, play a couple matches, and make a call about whether or not they want to keep bothering. They have no investment in the game, and no investment in the Eve Universe. To expect them to just intuit that the game doesn't suck after having a completely sucky new player experience is silly. You can be a smug prick and pretend like these people are idiots for not being fanboys who read the forums and follow dev blogs, but I think that has more to do with your own shortcomings than those of the players. Sure, maybe the guy in the video is an idiot, I don't know the guy and I don't know how much of his review is genuine, and how much is him trying to gain viewers (being a "personality" and such). What I DO know is that there is a LOT of basic information that every vet knows is important that CCP could go ahead and give the new players up front. There's nothing wrong with showing a new player who boots up the client for the first time what it is that makes the game tick. There's no special medal for slogging through the crap to get to the gold, it doesn't make you smarter or more sophisticated than these other people, it just means you invested a bit more time into the game on either a hunch, or based on your knowledge of the Eve Universe. Having a decent new player experience doesn't have to take away from the complexity or the sandbox nature of the game, and just laughing at a new player does nothing to help that new player see why it is that we all play this game. We can be a bunch of smug assholes because we just happen to know more about the game, and CCP can continue that smugness if they want (as they have done so far). Honestly though, I'd rather CCP work to ENTICE new players to keep playing, and let those new players either stay or leave based on what they think of the ACTUAL game. Not do what they do now, putting up roadblocks and hiding vital information from them. If CCP would give players the info they need up front about how the game works, we would be left with those who would actually want to play the game for what it is.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1383	Posted - 2013.05.22 21:35:00 - [6] - Quote Turan chiron wrote: Truly if someone is too lazy to read up on a game it's their fault. This game is far too complicated for a few tutorials and that's the way I like it. Really do you want to play with some kid who is too add to pay attention to the battle and is just trying to nova knife ppl? The guy who made the video is a complete idiot and should be ashamed to call himself a gamer If you go to every game that you play's forums and spend hours searching for information, you are an outlier. It doesn't make you smarter, or even better at games. In fact, it probably means you aren't very discerning with your time. I'm not gonna go so far as to insult you for it, but I think you can imagine some insults that I could hurl your direction if you try. Most of us have lives, jobs, responsibilities, friends, family, etc. People try out F2P games because they are free. If they like it, they keep playing, if they don't there's no skin off their backs. They just delete it. It's low risk. If we want the game to grow, we need to show these people why they shouldn't just delete the game immediately. I get that having some esoteric knowledge about a F2P FPS gives you a feeling of superiority, you feel like you know something that other people don't know. That can feel good, especially to someone with low self esteem, or little "real world" knowledge to match. That doesn't, however, make people who don't have and/or don't know that there's a REASON to have that knowledge "a complete idiot."
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1383	Posted - 2013.05.22 21:49:00 - [7] - Quote Based on my time on the forums, I gotta say, if there were no idiots playing Dust 514 this place would be a ghost town.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1386	Posted - 2013.05.22 23:40:00 - [8] - Quote Jin Robot wrote: Crash Monster wrote: Jin Robot wrote: It is about people not being bothered to take any time, put any effort into something they want before they expect something from it. its a free game. Entitled is exactly what I meant. Dude, it's an f'ing game. Why should people have to do things they don't like so that hopefully, some day, in the future, they can figure out how to have fun? I'm crossing you off my list of potential product designers. Next thats quite alright, I would go after a more advanced demographic, I would let someone else make the For Dummies version, just because the masses need no effort products and no effort paths through things doesnt mean a niche market cannot be found. DUST is niche and free so stop Yes, those "advanced" people like yourself, right? Clearly it's the people who have better things to do with their time than spend hours researching a F2P game that they have no reason to care about one way or the other who are the "stupid" ones. There's nothing "intelligent" or "advanced" about spending your time figuring out a product that the developer can't be bothered to explain themselves. If CCP doesn't want to take the time to explain the game to an unbiased player, why should the unbiased player care to figure it out for themselves? The current new player experience is simply bad game design. Give me a freakin' break dude. Not everyone is a CCP fanboy. You're telling me you haven't ever downloaded a F2P game, played it for 20 minutes and said "meh, not worth my time?"
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1388	Posted - 2013.05.23 00:58:00 - [9] - Quote Samahiel wrote: The real answer here is that if you care about this game you need to be out there with your corp nurturing and educating the newbies. This also has the added benefit of giving you a solid pool of recruits that know what the dangerous end of an AR is. PC and KDR wankery is all well and good, but the truth of the matter is very few people are going to be able to enjoy this game, adapt, and survive without a corp to support them. The community needs to step up and start providing that support. Baal Roo wrote: I could spin that right back on you. Goons are the ones who are supposed to remind us that this is just a game. Funny how the tides can turn. Tell Dent to get on jabber/skype yourself, I'm not impressed with your namedropping. This is just a game, a game that despite every advantage you don't seem to know the rules of. Which is sad. Are you even capable of having a normal conversation without misconstruing the points made by the person you're talking to? This has nothing to do with Subdreddit. We don't even recruit players in game, at all, ever. All of our players come to us from a third party source, and our requirements have absolutely nothing to do with players abilities or in game knowledge. Our corp takes care of our own, but that's not what this discussion is about. We're talking about the average player who sees there's a new F2P game available and decides to give it a go. They play for 30 minutes and make a decision about whether or not to bother booting up the game again, or just delete it off their hard drive. It's clear you're having a hard time separating your own personal experiences with Eve Online, and the experience of the average, non-Eve initiated PS3 owner. You can keep trying to start some silly goon/test drama if you like, but I'm going to keep laughing at your childish video game spaceship drama, because I couldn't care less. You're barking up the wrong tree little doggy.