DUST Search - After-Action Report: Dust Uni Vs. Seraphim

Kevall Longstride wrote:

As the CEO id like to say well done for playing a tactic that was brought up by myself at several round tables at Fanfest. Roll

I personally have no problem with the implementation of the infiltration of a corp. That is all part of being in New Eden, where I've lived now for over 4 years.

However this particular way of infiltrating a PC match is going to be be serverly curtailed and soon enough your going to have to work a lot harder to be able to pull this off again. Now, you'd know this if you been paying attention to various sources. A roster system and a new role being added allowing the kicking of a player from a corp match is under discussion.

Announcing how you 'accomplished' a laughably easy, soon to plugged exploit seems misguided as far as advertising your 'services' is concerned.

As has been already mentioned by many on this thread so far, DUST University has always had an open door policy, your alleged skill as an infiltrator is currently based on the ingenious exploit of simply being invited to join on application. Hardly the work of someone claiming to be the New Eden equilivant of Kim Philby.

As to the matter of a ransom I urge you to dream a little bigger. 100m ISK, while a not inconsiderable sum in Dust, is rather pitiful in comparison to the wallets of even a modestly funded corp such as ours.

As to if SI actually employed you, I can not say. But it seems to me that their leadership is smart enough to know that employing such a tactic on what is recognised as training corp is going to make themselves look rather weak in the eyes of those that might only make a cursory glance in this matter. So I'm inclined to believe, on reflection, they very likely had nothing to do with this.

All this incident has done is to alert other corps as to this possible exploit and how to do it themselves, saving the cost of paying you to do it.

I would suggest to you that as a marketing campaign, what you've accomplished here is the New Eden equilivant of new recipe Coca Cola.

And do your research next time.. Everyone in New Eden knows, though apparently not your good selves, that E-UNI and by inference D-UNI don't pay ransoms.

Good day to you. o7

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Sgt Odd Ball Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.05.18 01:17:00 - [61] - Quote Huh. People are making some seriously passionate claims while being clueless. I wish I could say I was surprised.
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 210	Posted - 2013.05.18 01:35:00 - [62] - Quote As the CEO id like to say well done for playing a tactic that was brought up by myself at several round tables at Fanfest. I personally have no problem with he implementation of a plan such as the infiltration of a corp. That is all part of being in New Eden, where I've lived now for over 4 years. However this particular way of infiltrating a PC match is going to be be serverly curtailed and soon enough your going to have to work a lot harder to be able to pull this off again. Now, you'd know this if you been paying attention to various sources. A roster system and a new role being added allowing the kicking of a player from a crop match is under discussion. Announcing how you 'accomplished' a laughably easy, soon to plugged exploit seems misguided as far as advertising your 'services' is concerned. As has been already mentioned by many on this thread so far, DUST University has always had an open door policy, your alleged skill as an infiltrator is currently based on the ingenious exploit of simply being invited to join on application. Hardly the work of someone claiming to be the New Eden equilivant of Kim Philby. As to the matter of a ransom I urge you to dream a little bigger. 100m ISK, while a not inconsiderable sum in Dust, is rather pitiful in comparison to the wallets of even a modestly funded corp such as ours. As to if SI actually employed you, I can not say. But it seems to me that their leadership is smart enough to know that employing such a tactic on what is recognised as training corp is going to make themselves look rather weak in the eyes of those that might only make a cursory glance in this matter. So I'm inclined to believe, on reflection, they very likely had nothing to do with this. All this incident has done is to alert other corps as to this possible exploit and how to do it themselves, saving the cost of paying you to do it. I would suggest to you that as a marketing campaign, what you've accomplished here is the New Eden equilivant of new recipe Coca Cola. And do your research next time.. Everyone in New Eden knows, though apparently not your good selves, that E-UNI and by inference D-UNI don't pay ransoms. Good day to you. o7
Jaron Pollard Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated 55	Posted - 2013.05.18 01:42:00 - [63] - Quote lolwut? Anyone actually paying a ransom is effectively just funding their aggressors endeavours. Better to just cut your losses and not pay a dime. Ransoms are for the weak and greedy. Just shoot them and be done with it.
Grezkev The Red Guards EoN. 257	Posted - 2013.05.18 01:45:00 - [64] - Quote ::walks in:: ::throws cigarette butt:: ::leaves::
TrueXer0z DUST University Ivy League 23	Posted - 2013.05.18 01:45:00 - [65] - Quote LOL this OP is just a laugh...To be honest guys...It was eventually going to happen. You may have been the first, but not the last to grief the Uni. You are not special or cool, or in any way a good player for doing what you did. Just a joke, as you can read in some of the posts here. A minor speed bump in the path of a much bigger picture. You will be forgotten shortly. The Uni will go on and continue its objective. We will do our best to participate in PC so we can allow our membership to experience that aspect of the game and it allows our leadership to gain an understanding of the UI so we can teach others who may be interested how to interact. Thanks for everyone's support of our organization. Good fights on the first day Cronos! Too bad you guys couldn't bring anything to play with in eve it would have made the battles more interesting and a greater learning experience.
SoTa ReGnUM PoP Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 25	Posted - 2013.05.18 01:56:00 - [66] - Quote TrueXer0z wrote: Thanks for everyone's support of our organization. Imps will be coming for you scrubs soon. Try not to die out from all your students shooting you in the back.
Philipp Achtel Goonfeet 44	Posted - 2013.05.18 01:57:00 - [67] - Quote The whiff of e-honour bullshit is strong in this thread.
TrueXer0z DUST University Ivy League 23	Posted - 2013.05.18 02:12:00 - [68] - Quote Philipp Achtel wrote: The whiff of e-honour bullshit is strong in this thread. TrueXer0z wrote: LOL this OP is just a laugh...To be honest guys...It was eventually going to happen. You may have been the first, but not the last to grief the Uni. You are not special or cool, or in any way a good player for doing what you did. Just a joke, as you can read in some of the posts here. A minor speed bump in the path of a much bigger picture. You will be forgotten shortly. The Uni will go on and continue its objective. We will do our best to participate in PC so we can allow our membership to experience that aspect of the game and it allows our leadership to gain an understanding of the UI so we can teach others who may be interested how to interact. Thanks for everyone's support of our organization. Good fights on the first day Cronos! Too bad you guys couldn't bring anything to play with in eve it would have made the battles more interesting and a greater learning experience. You clearly haven't learned your lesson. Oh No!!! Tell me e tough guys...how are you gonna come for the D-Uni if they can't hold any districts? HAHA. Oh wait..let me think..you are gonna put "Spys" in the corp??? Or wait..I know...wait...ummm...yeah...anyways.....come teach me a lesson!! I joined the Uni for a reason! I will be waiting!
SoTa ReGnUM PoP Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 25	Posted - 2013.05.18 02:15:00 - [69] - Quote TrueXer0z wrote: Philipp Achtel wrote: The whiff of e-honour bullshit is strong in this thread. TrueXer0z wrote: LOL this OP is just a laugh...To be honest guys...It was eventually going to happen. You may have been the first, but not the last to grief the Uni. You are not special or cool, or in any way a good player for doing what you did. Just a joke, as you can read in some of the posts here. A minor speed bump in the path of a much bigger picture. You will be forgotten shortly. The Uni will go on and continue its objective. We will do our best to participate in PC so we can allow our membership to experience that aspect of the game and it allows our leadership to gain an understanding of the UI so we can teach others who may be interested how to interact. Thanks for everyone's support of our organization. Good fights on the first day Cronos! Too bad you guys couldn't bring anything to play with in eve it would have made the battles more interesting and a greater learning experience. You clearly haven't learned your lesson. I joined the Uni for a reason! I will be waiting! So there are masochists in Dust....
Paper Cutter Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2013.05.18 02:16:00 - [70] - Quote Philipp Achtel wrote: I dunno. It was embarrassing enough for the CEO of the corp to make a personal statement on the matter. Because that is such a challenging thing to do.

Saki Seto DUST University Ivy League 0	Posted - 2013.05.18 02:18:00 - [71] - Quote Philipp Achtel wrote: I dunno. It was embarrassing enough for the CEO of the corp to make a personal statement on the matter. haha thats about as hard as getting a goon to post.
Philipp Achtel Goonfeet 45	Posted - 2013.05.18 02:20:00 - [72] - Quote Paper Cutter wrote: Philipp Achtel wrote: I dunno. It was embarrassing enough for the CEO of the corp to make a personal statement on the matter. Because that is such a challenging thing to do. Embarrass the CEO of a corp enough that he has to come on the forums and pretend that it wasn't a big deal? I don't know how challenging that is. It doesn't happen that often, anyway. Saki Seto wrote: Philipp Achtel wrote: I dunno. It was embarrassing enough for the CEO of the corp to make a personal statement on the matter. haha thats about as hard as getting a goon to post. Boy, the wagons are circling...
XeroTheBigBoss Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 309	Posted - 2013.05.18 02:21:00 - [73] - Quote TrueXer0z wrote: Philipp Achtel wrote: The whiff of e-honour bullshit is strong in this thread. TrueXer0z wrote: LOL this OP is just a laugh...To be honest guys...It was eventually going to happen. You may have been the first, but not the last to grief the Uni. You are not special or cool, or in any way a good player for doing what you did. Just a joke, as you can read in some of the posts here. A minor speed bump in the path of a much bigger picture. You will be forgotten shortly. The Uni will go on and continue its objective. We will do our best to participate in PC so we can allow our membership to experience that aspect of the game and it allows our leadership to gain an understanding of the UI so we can teach others who may be interested how to interact. Thanks for everyone's support of our organization. Good fights on the first day Cronos! Too bad you guys couldn't bring anything to play with in eve it would have made the battles more interesting and a greater learning experience. You clearly haven't learned your lesson. Oh No!!! Tell me e tough guys...how are you gonna come for the D-Uni if they can't hold any districts? HAHA. Oh wait..let me think..you are gonna put "Spys" in the corp??? Or wait..I know...wait...ummm...yeah...anyways.....come teach me a lesson!! I joined the Uni for a reason! I will be waiting! +1 for my alt
Saki Seto DUST University Ivy League 0	Posted - 2013.05.18 02:25:00 - [74] - Quote Philipp Achtel wrote: Boy, the wagons are circling... I dont understand you, must be some kind of culture gap.
Leovarian L Lavitz Murder Taxi Inc. 330	Posted - 2013.05.18 02:25:00 - [75] - Quote If they had more patience, or were even good at 'griefing', they could have made off with an entire constellation, instead of a single district. I came expecting awesome, left completely let down Your competition: http://eve.klaki.net/heist/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrYe_4vHzgE http://massively.joystiq.com/2009/02/05/further-developments-in-eves-grand-theft-alliance-drama/ http://massively.joystiq.com/2010/02/04/goonswarm-alliance-disbanded-in-eve-online-political-drama/ http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/98186-EVE-Online-GoonSwarm-Disbanded http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/15/business/15views.html?_r=0 ^that one made the new york times Hmm, don't see yours up there. Such a scrub letdown. :/
Paper Cutter Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2013.05.18 02:38:00 - [76] - Quote Philipp Achtel wrote: Paper Cutter wrote: Philipp Achtel wrote: I dunno. It was embarrassing enough for the CEO of the corp to make a personal statement on the matter. Because that is such a challenging thing to do. Embarrass the CEO of a corp enough that he has to come on the forums and pretend that it wasn't a big deal? I don't know how challenging that is. It doesn't happen that often, anyway. [quote=Saki Seto][quote=Philipp Achtel]I dunno. It was embarrassing enough for the CEO of the corp to make a personal statement on the matter. .
Poopjuice McGoo Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.05.18 03:26:00 - [77] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: As the CEO id like to say well done for playing a tactic that was brought up by myself at several round tables at Fanfest. I personally have no problem with the implementation of the infiltration of a corp. That is all part of being in New Eden, where I've lived now for over 4 years. However this particular way of infiltrating a PC match is going to be be serverly curtailed and soon enough your going to have to work a lot harder to be able to pull this off again. Now, you'd know this if you been paying attention to various sources. A roster system and a new role being added allowing the kicking of a player from a corp match is under discussion. Announcing how you 'accomplished' a laughably easy, soon to plugged exploit seems misguided as far as advertising your 'services' is concerned. As has been already mentioned by many on this thread so far, DUST University has always had an open door policy, your alleged skill as an infiltrator is currently based on the ingenious exploit of simply being invited to join on application. Hardly the work of someone claiming to be the New Eden equilivant of Kim Philby. As to the matter of a ransom I urge you to dream a little bigger. 100m ISK, while a not inconsiderable sum in Dust, is rather pitiful in comparison to the wallets of even a modestly funded corp such as ours. As to if SI actually employed you, I can not say. But it seems to me that their leadership is smart enough to know that employing such a tactic on what is recognised as training corp is going to make themselves look rather weak in the eyes of those that might only make a cursory glance in this matter. So I'm inclined to believe, on reflection, they very likely had nothing to do with this. All this incident has done is to alert other corps as to this possible exploit and how to do it themselves, saving the cost of paying you to do it. I would suggest to you that as a marketing campaign, what you've accomplished here is the New Eden equilivant of new recipe Coca Cola. And do your research next time.. Everyone in New Eden knows, though apparently not your good selves, that E-UNI and by inference D-UNI don't pay ransoms. Good day to you. o7 NOT GRIEFING FAST ENOUGH.
THE GREY CARDINAL PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 89	Posted - 2013.05.18 04:33:00 - [78] - Quote Haha. Good luck getting another such contract again. #cluelessOPisclueless
Naedeus DUST University Ivy League 34	Posted - 2013.05.18 04:48:00 - [79] - Quote XeroTheBigBoss wrote: TrueXer0z wrote: Philipp Achtel wrote: The whiff of e-honour bullshit is strong in this thread. TrueXer0z wrote: LOL this OP is just a laugh...To be honest guys...It was eventually going to happen. You may have been the first, but not the last to grief the Uni. You are not special or cool, or in any way a good player for doing what you did. Just a joke, as you can read in some of the posts here. A minor speed bump in the path of a much bigger picture. You will be forgotten shortly. The Uni will go on and continue its objective. We will do our best to participate in PC so we can allow our membership to experience that aspect of the game and it allows our leadership to gain an understanding of the UI so we can teach others who may be interested how to interact. Thanks for everyone's support of our organization. Good fights on the first day Cronos! Too bad you guys couldn't bring anything to play with in eve it would have made the battles more interesting and a greater learning experience. You clearly haven't learned your lesson. Oh No!!! Tell me e tough guys...how are you gonna come for the D-Uni if they can't hold any districts? HAHA. Oh wait..let me think..you are gonna put "Spys" in the corp??? Or wait..I know...wait...ummm...yeah...anyways.....come teach me a lesson!! I joined the Uni for a reason! I will be waiting! +1 for my alt The plus one comment made me laugh. Thank you.
The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1439	Posted - 2013.05.18 05:00:00 - [80] - Quote lol this topic is still going?

DigiOps Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 256	Posted - 2013.05.18 05:21:00 - [81] - Quote SoTa ReGnUM PoP wrote: TrueXer0z wrote: Thanks for everyone's support of our organization. Imps will be coming for you scrubs soon. Try not to die out from all your students shooting you in the back. I'm kinda surprised someone else beat Imps to it. What gives?
SoTa ReGnUM PoP Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 28	Posted - 2013.05.18 05:25:00 - [82] - Quote DigiOps wrote: SoTa ReGnUM PoP wrote: TrueXer0z wrote: Thanks for everyone's support of our organization. Imps will be coming for you scrubs soon. Try not to die out from all your students shooting you in the back. I'm kinda surprised someone else beat Imps to it. What gives? TBH we were all for it - but things happen. We'll settle with them later. There's bigger fish right now before we can properly sell ourselves in the future.
Gravity Sucks Grief University 4	Posted - 2013.05.18 05:29:00 - [83] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: lol this topic is still going? Yeah it is, and we hit R.i.f.t. an hour ago, cost them well over 100M isk in combined clone and equipment costs because they would not pay isk to us.
Sgt Odd Ball Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2013.05.18 05:35:00 - [84] - Quote I see that the forum alts are out for Forum PvP.
Exploder 1999 Grief University 1	Posted - 2013.05.18 05:38:00 - [85] - Quote Rebelles A Quebec did a great job of killing us since R.i.f.t. couldn't get any of there own players to show up. I've never accomplished so much by going 0 and 26.
SoTa ReGnUM PoP Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 29	Posted - 2013.05.18 05:38:00 - [86] - Quote Gravity Sucks wrote: The dark cloud wrote: lol this topic is still going? Yeah it is, and we hit R.i.f.t. an hour ago, cost them well over 100M isk in combined clone and equipment costs because they would not pay isk to us. Boom Baby! Seems you guys only pick on weak corps.
NextDark Slougher Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2013.05.18 05:45:00 - [87] - Quote LOL, Next target.. winning the special olympics. Congrates on the win... I'll be sure to donate a few more destroyers to Eve-U being that your dumb ass posts just means more isks sent to the school. I hate even replying to such a fail hard thread but keep it up.
137H4RGIC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 36	Posted - 2013.05.18 05:53:00 - [88] - Quote You know, Pirates in EVE do this thing where they warp scram your ship so you can't warp away, web you, and nuet you. They then say, "Pay the ransom!" Usually what happens here is people refuse to pay the ransom. Why? They're smart. Pay the ransom and you lose your ship anyway. Now, if you're saying you'll be honorable to your word and refuse to fight in the battle after the ransom is paid, then that makes you an unreliable employee to your employer. So it's safe to say (assuming you value your reputation to your employer) the ransom is a hoax and a way to scam people out of 100M ISK. So, we'll see how stupid commanders in DUST are..
Tiberion Deci Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 180	Posted - 2013.05.18 06:07:00 - [89] - Quote Laheon wrote: You've literally just advertised that you're VERY willing to turn against the company that's hired you to defend their district. No one's going to hire you to fight for them again, I hope you realise. This. HOW DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?!?! HOW CAN I MAKE YOU UNDERSTAND?!?! Eh, screw it. Eat Forge Gun!
SoTa ReGnUM PoP Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 32	Posted - 2013.05.18 06:28:00 - [90] - Quote SI probably needed the help anyways. GJ Grief Uni - you first helped CRONOS then PRO. Do you always work for the lowest skilled zergs in Dust?



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