Guys, just give it up.

There is no place in DUST for pilots. There is no mission that can't be better accomplished with an Assault suit and an AR.

The sole mission in DUST is to kill, so get yourself a beefy suit and a rifle. It's the only thing that is rewarded.

Storytime over. How can a 6,585 ISK Swarm Launcher that only takes less than a million SP pin down a 1.2 million ISK ship worth over a 3million SP that easily? Or the fast firing forge gun that does 1.5k damage (base) with a 3.5 second charge time? That's barely any time for the pilot to accelerate away and try rep their shields.

4. Introduce falloff damage to forge guns and tweak back their optimal range, making them nasty killers at close to medium range, and more support / harassment at long ranges.

5. Replace rail gun installations in all red zones with an equal or greater number of missile turrets. (this is more of a random thought without having to actually touch how rail guns work in general, as I don't know how that can be adjusted, I just know they're insanely effective vs dropships for extremely little effort or risk)

Well, in modern warfare (Not any video games but in real life) how can a Stinger Missile shoot down enemy aircraft with just one shot? How can a Javilin Missile take down Tanks with its warhead? I know this setting is in the "future" so I understand that vehicles are built more durable and high tech, but so as the Infantry weapons made to counter them, specially in the EVE universe, where the arms race of four powerful empires is always at full throttle, trying to find the cheapest counter.

The problem with this argument is that it can be applied to every gun in the game. If this is your argument, then it follows that you are arguing that basically every weapon should OHK all infantry as well.

so basically...


>dropship get nerf
>pilot get mad
>ccp dont give
>pilot rage on fourm
>other pilots join rage on fourm
>all non pilots dont give
>pilot leave butt hurty
>end story

OMG... AV too good? Really? Do you realize that the players who go AV are sacrificing their ability to effectively deal with infantry engagements. And the FG lost a lot of range when heavy weapon sharp shooter got removed. I've heard that the standard FG is locked at 300 meters now but I can't verify that.

Where's the infantry support for you pilots? While I'm running my FG, I'm hell on vehicles but have to rely on my SMG for infantry encounters. Yep. That's right, an SMG. Don't get me wrong, I've done my fair share of forge sniping but that takes distance and elevation to be consistent and it still takes a lot of luck with the increased dispersion. It's very difficult up close and personal. Otherwise, my squad supplies over watch and tactical intel to help me keep my fat slow butt alive and fighting.

There are many times when I've hit pilots with my 9K330. I manage to rap out two or three shots before they've out ranged me and come back repped. Meanwhile I have to run around dodging enemy infantry. Does this bug me? Hell no. I expect it. However, if I start pounding you with my 9K330 and you just sit there, or fly straight at me like a few have done, don't expect any sympathy as I turn your ds into burning slag.

One last thing, I can rarely take out a DS or HAV that's well supported by infantry unless I'm in a really advantageous position, and those are hard to get into.

Then you are bad at forge gun.

3 shots from an 9K330 will take out any dropship in the game, most in 2, and OHKs all infantry.

It may seem as though my post is mere frustration, but I assure you it is not.

I've had a good long look at the game as it stands, and it is quite apparent that there is but one role, that of slayer.

The game does not need Scouts, Transports, Reconisance, or any non-high-DPS fitting.
The way to win is to shoot the other guy in the face before he shoots you in the face.
The game play really is that shallow right now.

There are no tactics beyond that and there is certainly no strategy required. Ambush is straight up mass killing with no pretense at anything else. Skirmish is Ambush with Null Cannons for decoration. There is some reward for hacking one, but absolutley nothing to be gained for defending it. That means that if the battle front is far from the cannon, it will be abandoned so the player can get some points for killing. There is no need for transport because it's easy to get to the front by walking.

The only way to make dropships worth flying in matches where winning counts is to turn them into gunships, and the player population is not ready to accecpt a gunship that can put out that kind of DPS. Just look at the ADS thread with the tanker's buddy crying about how the light blaster turret blew up his "proto" tank for a taste of what you would see in a dozen threads.

Until CCP introduces a requirement for dropships, some need that is better served by air, the dropship will be a solution looking for a problem.

Yes, with some help we could possibly fly around and not lose money, but that would just be us having fun. We wouldn't be doing anything that would get us invited to PC battles where every clone has to bring high-DPS to win.

Hey, guys, turns out we're all just awful pilots. Turns out if we put Baal in a dropship he'd just get infinity kills and never die and make us all look like tools. Well, problem solved, I guess. I'll just go back to failing to ever satisfy a woman.

Boy, I wish that last sentence was as sarcastic as the others.

Oh, yeah, totally. Because I just got through sharing how EPIC I am at flying a DS..... No, tactics are tactics, and if you are dumb enough to fly into AV when you know it's there, who do you blame? THE AV! Of coooooourse! It's the AV's fault for capitalizing on your bad judgement! Ah, I should have grasped it long ago....

Actually your right, if you fly into AV you basically deserve to get shot down. Problem is forge guns killing you before you even know that they're there.

IMO, dropships, maps and AV need significant changes.
1. bigger maps so dropships are important
2.larger teams so the maps can be filled(and huge air raids would be sick)
3.countermeasures for dropships
4.faster missiles to counter the countermeasures(and make it more realistic)
5.WP tweaks for dropships
6.more hp for dropships
7. make an assault varient for the missile turret that fires similar to the missile installation, so ADSs can hit things while remaining accurate
8. the dedicated dropships should have a docking mode when on the ground where all damage is reduced by 10% so they can pick up teammates in the midst of battle without being destroyed

No, you got it all wrong...see your tactics will allow you to know that they are there....just forget about the rendering issues at times...

Oh, yeah, totally. Because I just got through sharing how EPIC I am at flying a DS..... No, tactics are tactics, and if you are dumb enough to fly into AV when you know it's there, who do you blame? THE AV! Of coooooourse! It's the AV's fault for capitalizing on your bad judgement! Ah, I should have grasped it long ago....

What I hate most is that I rarely get my dropship destroyed directly from enemy fire. 87% of the time it's because the railgun, FG, Swarms, push me all the way into oblivion and push me off into an obstruction.
That's what pisses me off the most.

Then you are bad at forge gun.

3 shots from an 9K330 will take out any dropship in the game, most in 2, and OHKs all infantry. The 9K330 does more splash damage than a direct hit from an EXO mass driver, with basically the same radius, and TWICE the splash damage.

Don't you mean magical psychic powers ?

Sans rendering issues fact still remains that one FG could be anywhere on the map at any time. And that's all it takes to trounce you. Two is just simply unfair.

I guess I'll just go tell my infantry to scour the whole SqKm of the map and find this little fellow before anyone knows he exists. Right?