i have mixed feeling about this.

this sounds too good to be true, what made CCP turn a 180 degree to their attitude? is this just an RP exercise? soon (tm) we shall find out (when things get fixed)

We are pleased to announce that we have just concluded a lengthy meeting with a considerable portion of the Dust514 community and development teams, as well as upper management such as Executive Producer CCP Jian and Creative Director CCP Praetorian.

It was an opportunity not only to cover the the most urgent issues surrounding Uprising's deployment, but also to review the steps that CCP will be taking in the immediate future in order to fix some of the unexpected results that occured from Uprising's migration onto Tranquility. We also discussed many ways that CCP can ensure that you, the players and beta testers, receive more timely and comprehensive information about what exactly is being worked on (and why).

The contents of this meeting are being drafted up for release by CCP CommanderWang and CCP Frame, and will be posted shortly so that the public is in the loop with the CPM and CCP as to what took place. Rest assured this meeting was comprehensive GÇô while the nitty gritty details will be hammered out in the days ahead, everything from general dissatisfaction with item balancing, to input issues, to the frustrations we've all shared with the new skill tree were discussed extensively.

The CPM is satisfied with CCP's timely and focused effort to take care of these issues in the days and weeks ahead, and we expect this to play out here in the forums as well. The CPM was adamant that with increased level of information and clarity, unnecessary noise can be reduced to that the best of your ideas reach the people they need to reach inside the development circle. This is in fact our primary purpose for existing in the first place GÇô if we've done our jobs right, you'll be seeing more from CCP than you have in the past, and have more opportunities to give specific feedback in places you know you'll be heard, and see evidence of this as CCP continues to roll out fixes and updates to the game.

Not everything everyone would like to see will be ready by the 14th, lets be perfectly clear here GÇô but the reason that the CPM asked for this meeting to begin with was to ensure there was both resources and process were in place to take care of the things we've noticed as issues between our Fanfest playtest, and what we've seen since Uprising's initial deployment on Tranquility.

We appreciate everyone's patience while you await further news, but we feel it is important for you to know that the community's concerns are being heard at the highest levels thanks to your representatives on the CPM. We also strongly encourage you to continue to send us your repeatable bugs, balancing advice, and other suggestions for us to use in our talks with CCP in order to expedite the process of improvement.

-The Council of Planetary Management

Heinrich Jagerblitzen
Iron Wolf Saber
Jenza Aranda
Kane Spero
Laurent Cazaderon
Nova Knife

Probably has to do with the fact they have a focused group to talk to rather then people raging in threads.

We appreciate everyone's patience while you await further news, but we feel it is important for you to know that the community's concerns are being heard at the highest levels thanks to your representatives on the CPM.

-The Council of Planetary Management

Heinrich Jagerblitzen
Iron Wolf Saber
Jenza Aranda
Kane Spero
Laurent Cazaderon
Nova Knife

And after all this "serious" discussion was the decision made to rollback all the WEapon stats to previous build? Because this is the ONLY way to fix this..

Start there then make small adjustments to what needs work..

But im guessing it will be some halfway stealth buff for heavies, while the rest stays the same?

If the CPM truly intends to represent the Dust community then I would hope that they recognize the recent groundswell of support for a SP respec on the 14th of May.

I would ask that each member publicly support the recent player's initiative to get this done.

Thanks.

I'll be the first to start. You'll be happy to know that a full respec following an adjustment to the skill tree in order to reduce the overall SP requirement back in the direction of Chromosome-level train times was actually one of the primary "must-do" items on the CPM's agenda. Not only that, I think there is a strong possibility that we will see this, and see this within the month. No promises or dates here yet - but based on the positive reception from CCP I think this is quite likely at this point, enough to say so publicly.

I'll be the first to start. You'll be happy to know that a full respec following an adjustment to the skill tree in order to reduce the overall SP requirement back in the direction of Chromosome-level train times was actually one of the primary "must-do" items on the CPM's agenda. Not only that, I think there is a strong possibility that we will see this, and see this within the month. No promises or dates here yet - but based on the positive reception from CCP I think this is quite likely at this point, enough to say so publicly.

Ill believe it when I see it. The ignorance CCP has shown with Uprising is extraordinary. All they had to do was take Chromosome and add stuff to it, but no. They just had to go and change the entire core of the game and kept us misinformed about what they were doing the whole way.

Heinrich Jagerblitzen:

With a rebalancing of skill rankings and overall SP cost can you push for an accurate data dump that includes prerequisites with at least a week of lead time so that the community has time to build tools, analyze data and provide guidance so that we don't have the same issues as on Uprising release day? What they provided the day before was a fair start. It just needed some work to be useful.

Heinrich Jagerblitzen:

With a rebalancing of skill rankings and overall SP cost can you push for an accurate data dump that includes prerequisites with at least a week of lead time so that the community has time to build tools, analyze data and provide guidance so that we don't have the same issues as on Uprising release day? What they provided the day before was a fair start. It just needed some work to be useful.

Dust 514 could use some of CCP Unifex' magic touch atm.

I'll be the first to start. You'll be happy to know that a full respec following an adjustment to the skill tree in order to reduce the overall SP requirement back in the direction of Chromosome-level train times was actually one of the primary "must-do" items on the CPM's agenda. Not only that, I think there is a strong possibility that we will see this, and see this within the month. No promises or dates here yet - but based on the positive reception from CCP I think this is quite likely at this point, enough to say so publicly.

Heinrich Jagerblitzen best Jagerblitzen

Good stuff.

Heinrich Jagerblitzen best Jagerblitzen

Good stuff.

Dawwww, you're only saying that because you haven't met my sister Hedwig, she is way more fun than either of us.

(Hans is a creep though, and actually keeps her locked away in some hermetically-sealed casket "for safekeeping", and won't say much other than something about "protecting her from excessive exposure to solar radiation".)

LOL, just noticed Cmdr Wang edited the OP



what got deleted?!!?

I'll be the first to start. You'll be happy to know that a full respec following an adjustment to the skill tree in order to reduce the overall SP requirement back in the direction of Chromosome-level train times was actually one of the primary "must-do" items on the CPM's agenda. Not only that, I think there is a strong possibility that we will see this, and see this within the month. No promises or dates here yet - but based on the positive reception from CCP I think this is quite likely at this point, enough to say so publicly.

Thank you, but no thank you.

I can't wait for the Heavy Variant Suits, however making corrections to the HMG must have top priority where the class is concerned. No suit will benefit a gun that we cannot use for any type of roll in the battlefield.

I understand you wanted to make the Heavy play the role of point defender. To me this means being able to take on at least a full squad of 6 by myself as is often the case. In order for this to happen HMG needs either:

category a.) Longer range, tighter bullet spread, less kick/heat build up, smaller targeting reticule, wind up upon ADS, suppression effect: stopping power (-__% movement speed per landed round), more damage

or

category b.)Faster turning speed, more damage, faster wind up when AFH, suppression effect: blur (-__% visibility per landed round), longer range, tighter spread, wind up upon ADS, less kick/heat build up

I wouldn't mind seeing a category a.) HMG(point man assaulter) and a category b.) HMG(point defender) in each tier for the HMG in order to add more diversification for the Heavy's role. Either one of these categories would work for point defender, however.

These are my suggestions please note under each category suggestions are listed in order of importance for intended purpose.

These suggestions are based off of my own experience, other players' suggestions, and the DEVs'/players' communications.

Chill, my friend. All he did was apply some glue to the thread.

So... where are the notes? 2 hours passed already, didn't figure it would take that long to get notes posted.

So... where are the notes? 2 hours passed already, didn't figure it would take that long to get notes posted.

Give the team some time. They want to put up not only a summary of our meeting, but also some relevant information about what the teams are working on, which is more work than just a quick summary with no real "meat".

....keep in mind that this was the whole point of having a meeting to begin with. To address the issue of "not enough information". Let's not bite the hand that feeds when CCP is willing to cooperate and shed some light on what's coming in the pipeline.

So... where are the notes? 2 hours passed already, didn't figure it would take that long to get notes posted.

Ill believe it when I see it. The ignorance CCP has shown with Uprising is extraordinary. All they had to do was take Chromosome and add stuff to it, but no. They just had to go and change the entire core of the game and kept us misinformed about what they were doing the whole way.

Actually what this meeting has demonstrated to me is that CCP Jian is every bit as willing to roll up his sleeves and do what needs to be done to get development on the right track. He was the one I asked to meet with us because he's in the position of authority needed to make sure this process improves, and he's been very appreciative and supportive of the CPM during this time. CCP Jian took an extra 45 minutes beyond the allotted meeting time to go through our issues line-by-line and make sure we didn't walk away without making sure that everything was being addressed in some form, sooner or later.

And don't get me wrong, Unifex is a great guy too - but he's never stayed 45 minutes extra in a Skype meeting nor has he ever brought the entourage with him that Jian did this morning. Rest assured you have every bit the same level of professionalism being demonstrated here, Dust514 is in good hands now and I'm excited to work together with Jian in the future. He was very respectful of the CPM's concerns and took our criticism in stride.

I'll be the first to start. You'll be happy to know that a full respec following an adjustment to the skill tree in order to reduce the overall SP requirement back in the direction of Chromosome-level train times was actually one of the primary "must-do" items on the CPM's agenda. Not only that, I think there is a strong possibility that we will see this, and see this within the month. No promises or dates here yet - but based on the positive reception from CCP I think this is quite likely at this point, enough to say so publicly.

...In our opinion, there shouldn't be a single number or statistic that isn't publicly posted knowledge in a form we can make the most of....

Do you have any idea if weapon ranges will be displayed when comparing two weapons on you fit? It's a very important stat to omitted. I've seen guns with identical stats except the Meta Level and the price. My guess is the weapon's maximum and optimal ranges are the difference.

Do you have any idea if weapon ranges will be displayed when comparing two weapons on you fit? It's a very important stat to omitted. I've seen guns with identical stats except the Meta Level and the price. My guess is the weapon's maximum and optimal ranges are the difference.

I'll be the first to start. You'll be happy to know that a full respec following an adjustment to the skill tree in order to reduce the overall SP requirement back in the direction of Chromosome-level train times was actually one of the primary "must-do" items on the CPM's agenda. Not only that, I think there is a strong possibility that we will see this, and see this within the month. No promises or dates here yet - but based on the positive reception from CCP I think this is quite likely at this point, enough to say so publicly.

I'll be the first to start. You'll be happy to know that a full respec following an adjustment to the skill tree in order to reduce the overall SP requirement back in the direction of Chromosome-level train times was actually one of the primary "must-do" items on the CPM's agenda. Not only that, I think there is a strong possibility that we will see this, and see this within the month. No promises or dates here yet - but based on the positive reception from CCP I think this is quite likely at this point, enough to say so publicly.

Guys you have to understand all things takes time.

Majority of the roots for notes was culmination of nearly 2 weeks of work of the CPM reading and talking with you guys and your concerns and doing even some speadsheet-fu on your behalf. From finding out what the issues are, how important they are to you guys and then drafting them into something CCP can use to talk to their developers with. It would not surprise me if it takes the CCP community team the whole day talking with every team about ever issue and how those teams are going to see about fixing the concerns.

I can't believe I managed to stay up 27 hours for this meeting but I did.

I'll be the first to start. You'll be happy to know that a full respec following an adjustment to the skill tree in order to reduce the overall SP requirement back in the direction of Chromosome-level train times was actually one of the primary "must-do" items on the CPM's agenda. Not only that, I think there is a strong possibility that we will see this, and see this within the month. No promises or dates here yet - but based on the positive reception from CCP I think this is quite likely at this point, enough to say so publicly.

We are pleased to announce that we have just concluded a lengthy meeting with a considerable portion of the Dust514 community and development teams, as well as upper management such as Executive Producer CCP Jian and Creative Director CCP Praetorian.

It was an opportunity not only to cover the the most urgent issues surrounding Uprising's deployment, but also to review the steps that CCP will be taking in the immediate future in order to fix some of the unexpected results that occured from Uprising's migration onto Tranquility. We also discussed many ways that CCP can ensure that you, the players and beta testers, receive more timely and comprehensive information about what exactly is being worked on (and why).

The contents of this meeting are being drafted up for release by CCP CommanderWang and CCP Frame, and will be posted shortly so that the public is in the loop with the CPM and CCP as to what took place. Rest assured this meeting was comprehensive GÇô while the nitty gritty details will be hammered out in the days ahead, everything from general dissatisfaction with item balancing, to input issues, to the frustrations we've all shared with the new skill tree were discussed extensively.

The CPM is satisfied with CCP's timely and focused effort to take care of these issues in the days and weeks ahead, and we expect this to play out here in the forums as well. The CPM was adamant that with increased level of information and clarity, unnecessary noise can be reduced to that the best of your ideas reach the people they need to reach inside the development circle. This is in fact our primary purpose for existing in the first place GÇô if we've done our jobs right, you'll be seeing more from CCP than you have in the past, and have more opportunities to give specific feedback in places you know you'll be heard, and see evidence of this as CCP continues to roll out fixes and updates to the game.

Not everything everyone would like to see will be ready by the 14th, lets be perfectly clear here GÇô but the reason that the CPM asked for this meeting to begin with was to ensure there was both resources and process were in place to take care of the things we've noticed as issues between our Fanfest playtest, and what we've seen since Uprising's initial deployment on Tranquility.

We appreciate everyone's patience while you await further news, but we feel it is important for you to know that the community's concerns are being heard at the highest levels thanks to your representatives on the CPM. We also strongly encourage you to continue to send us your repeatable bugs, balancing advice, and other suggestions for us to use in our talks with CCP in order to expedite the process of improvement.

-The Council of Planetary Management

Heinrich Jagerblitzen
Iron Wolf Saber
Jenza Aranda
Kane Spero
Laurent Cazaderon
Nova Knife

If I may make a suggestion.

i think it would be helpful for the folks that spend more of their time in-game than on the Forums, that when significant information is being posted by CPM or CCP, in this case the details of the meeting, a notice using the in-game Notification system is sent out.

We actually made the same suggestion in the meeting, I pointed out specifically that since this is a console game and people aren't accessing the game through their PC's the way that EVE players do, its unreasonable to expect that any greater percentage of players are following along on the web as well while they play. Most don't even know that so much is discussed on the forums, by players OR devs for that matter. We mentioned a number of options, from email to a neocom button for news, to using the Merc quarters screen - and while I'm not sure how soon we'll see first fruits of this, we definitely made the case that forum threads and dev blogs aren't enough, players need to be able to read important announcements from within the game client. We need the ENTIRE community to have a chance to know what's going on and speak up, not just those of us insane enough to wade deep into the forums on a daily basis.

Or give them some more exclusive heavy weapons. - plasma flame thrower? I know there are many ideas, not to be discussed here, I'm just wanting to support my heavies.

just wondering if you guys talked about the framerate / performance issue

because the game runs really low framerate

Gatlin laser from fallout 3 please

Honestly, I wish the CPM would stop, and hold things exactly where they are, short of actual bug fixes, for at least two weeks after a build hits. Too much impulse reaction. Impulsive decisions get us things like the USA PATRIOT Act. A good legislature makes careful, slow changes.

Absolutely. This is definitely unintended - and CCP's working on investigating every possible underlying cause as we speak. Something happened between testing Uprising at FF, and playing Uprising on Tranquility, because we played the same build, on stock PS3's (no SSD or anything) at FF and had amazing framerates. I'm sure they'll announce their progress as they go, but CCP also seemed surprised to learn that it plays differently on Tranquility and are working on this problem specifically.

We wouldn't be good CPM if we didn't know the difference between new build impulse and legitimate concerns. Had Uprising done its job, the GD first few page would have been full of GG CCP majority not FUBAR response that is there now.

Its like knowing that Windows 8 was going to suck before it came out.

We actually made the same suggestion in the meeting, I pointed out specifically that since this is a console game and people aren't accessing the game through their PC's the way that EVE players do, its unreasonable to expect that any greater percentage of players are following along on the web as well while they play. Most don't even know that so much is discussed on the forums, by players OR devs for that matter. We mentioned a number of options, from email to a neocom button for news, to using the Merc quarters screen - and while I'm not sure how soon we'll see first fruits of this, we definitely made the case that forum threads and dev blogs aren't enough, players need to be able to read important announcements from within the game client. We need the ENTIRE community to have a chance to know what's going on and speak up, not just those of us insane enough to wade deep into the forums on a daily basis.

You have to admit though, that delving into the forums is an adventure in itself. I'm not heavily outspoken here on the forums even though I've been kicking around since Open Beta. I'll comment from time to time, but I prefer to watch, learn, adapt, and then take action. Sort of like an informant who simply gathers information and then sells it to the highest bidder.

However I do agree. We really do need something in-game to alert us to a new happening when it comes to DUST 514 and the game mechanics. Strangely though ... I'd probably hop off and swim back here just to see what people are saying about the news xD

Mr Heinrich sir,

Can we fully expect another respec or do we just have to wait and find out?

would still be a nice idea for the people who never get on the forums

I'll be the first to start. You'll be happy to know that a full respec following an adjustment to the skill tree in order to reduce the overall SP requirement back in the direction of Chromosome-level train times was actually one of the primary "must-do" items on the CPM's agenda. Not only that, I think there is a strong possibility that we will see this, and see this within the month. No promises or dates here yet - but based on the positive reception from CCP I think this is quite likely at this point, enough to say so publicly.

I do hope this is the case. Please inform CCP that as a Assault Dropship / Vehicle character, I WILL NOT be putting any SP into vehicles again if we do get another sp reset. Not until there is some balance.

Assault DropShips take too hard a hit from forge guns in both HP loss and the fact it sends you flying in horrible directions.
Shooting the damn pilots turret is also very clumsy.

I also hear tankers are having it bad.

Seems its all about Duvolles and heavy shield tanked dropsuits.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=774276#post774276


bottom reply, next week before we hear anything

please dont tell me thats the notes the CPM was talking about...

please dont tell me thats the notes the CPM was talking about...

I'd really like that list of questions CPM asked CCP.

How about a copy of the conversation instead? I know it probably took place on Skype so don't say it's impossible :)

Or you could tell me it's too 'confidential' and share with us how truly transparent CPM and CCP is.

Either way I want to know what exactly CPM brought to the table and how. If we're to build trust I need to see it first hand.

just you?

what about the rest of us

So anything on HAVs or have we been thrown under the short-bus?

Give it up fella, dust is dead. If you can't see that you obviously have poor judgement and imo are not fit to represent ANY community.

You're going have to wait on CCP on this.

I will have you know I am driving militia tanks now, current record for longest survival of a tank has been 2 matches so far.

I'll be the first to start. You'll be happy to know that a full respec following an adjustment to the skill tree in order to reduce the overall SP requirement back in the direction of Chromosome-level train times was actually one of the primary "must-do" items on the CPM's agenda. Not only that, I think there is a strong possibility that we will see this, and see this within the month. No promises or dates here yet - but based on the positive reception from CCP I think this is quite likely at this point, enough to say so publicly.

I am 100% for this. Why in the coming 2 years CCP will most likely release 2 to 3 x more skills and maybe tech 3 weapons and dropsuits so there will by better protos in the game or higher. With uprising levels this game will turn into a big grind you don't want that and getting all the skills already take many years.

But for stuff like super tanks or HQ bases compared to titans to eve sp training times should by high cause it should by rare.

You're going have to wait on CCP on this.

I will have you know I am driving militia tanks now, current record for longest survival of a tank has been 2 matches so far.

If you're trying to suggest tanks aren't completely broken, then you don't know what you are talking about. So who is the vehicle using CPM then?

Ill believe it when I see it. The ignorance CCP has shown with Uprising is extraordinary. All they had to do was take Chromosome and add stuff to it, but no. They just had to go and change the entire core of the game and kept us misinformed about what they were doing the whole way.

Just so everyone's clear - the role of the CPM is to facilitate change and act as an advocate for the community to CCP..

on the note of framerate fails on TQ from sisi

i'd bet it's the render thread getting stuck on some resource locked by the thread handling netcode
most likely related to player positions
might also explain perceived lag in all sorts of places, the client it waiting on the server to respond when it shouldn't it should move on with an assumed behavior, EG continue walking, so this might be related to throwing grenade sseeming to have huge delay, to getting stuck on things, to players being bouncy, and to huge FPS loss

just saying, look at something regarding player positions getting a mutex lock or something from netcode and holding up the render thread.

oh to test this see what the client does in test if you introduce ~100ms ping and 10% loss

not enough FG's left apperently

We actually made the same suggestion in the meeting, I pointed out specifically that since this is a console game and people aren't accessing the game through their PC's the way that EVE players do, its unreasonable to expect that any greater percentage of players are following along on the web as well while they play. Most don't even know that so much is discussed on the forums, by players OR devs for that matter. We mentioned a number of options, from email to a neocom button for news, to using the Merc quarters screen - and while I'm not sure how soon we'll see first fruits of this, we definitely made the case that forum threads and dev blogs aren't enough, players need to be able to read important announcements from within the game client. We need the ENTIRE community to have a chance to know what's going on and speak up, not just those of us insane enough to wade deep into the forums on a daily basis.

Just so everyone's clear - the role of the CPM is to facilitate change and act as an advocate for the community to CCP. This skillset is based on communication and diplomatic skill, not necessarily in-game skill. When we're doing our jobs right, we're connecting the concerns the community experts share with the developers that can directly address those issues - and not necessarily advising on every single game design decision personally. In fact, as CCP begins to work more directly with the public, our role as a sounding board diminishes.

In the meantime, those of you expecting to have a representative for every single play style or battlefield role are going to be disappointed. There are only 6 of us - but that doesn't mean we still can't advocate for issues like vehicle imbalance compared to infantry*. Our job is to make sure CCP actually spends time and energy working on the problem, YOUR job is to help with the specifics, which we happily pass on to the parties that need the information.

*This issue was in fact raised during our meeting and you should see more information on this shortly once CCP posts up their work-in-progress list based on the items we've been discussing over the last 48 hours.

FINALLY! Someone who understands lag and networking!

i'm glad to hear this, and look forward to seeing something implemented .

even if its as simple as a notice to check the forums;
i've seen other games that launch the PS3 Web Browser for providing additional information, or services. Granted, this would exit you from the game, but it might be an easy way to implement without too much additional coding .

You're going have to wait on CCP on this.

I will have you know I am driving militia tanks now, current record for longest survival of a tank has been 2 matches so far.

Look the positive thing is we all have not gave up the game. We all came to the forums to tell our concerns and we didn't quit playing so there is always hope. So with enough feedback we can all fix this game and make it better in the far future.

Ok so what is the CPM advocating and why? Not really sure about your communication skills seeing as you've ignored my concerns (sure it's buried amongst many others but hey, why me). If you told me what you're advocating and why, I wouldn't feel ignored, just perhaps misrepresented. But at least then I would understand where you're coming from and what drives *you*.

You're trying to facilitate changes that I'm not convinced isn't pandering to the masses.

CPM's any news on a respecc yet? I apologize if there has been and i havent seen it im not much of a forum troll.. But it has been several days. Any info?

We are still working on things with CCP to get the Skill Tree fixed so no ETA yet. Hans is confident that it should be by the end of the month but we will see.

We will let you know when its possible to let you know.

Jenza thank you for the reply.
Im alittle concerned because i think i speak for alot of people who feel these changes should be in place before PC is released.. If the plan is to allow us a respecc either way why not push for it on the 14th? Is that something the CPM could push for? If anyone agrees with this please reply so the CPMs and CCP will see this. Thanks

Jenza thank you for the reply.
Im alittle concerned because i think i speak for alot of people who feel these changes should be in place before PC is released.. If the plan is to allow us a respecc either way why not push for it on the 14th? Is that something the CPM could push for? If anyone agrees with this please reply so the CPMs and CCP will see this. Thanks

I'm glad that CCP formed the CPM this early in the process so that players have someone to represent their concerns. Lack of timely, comprehensive and accurate information is definitely my number one concern.

Just so everyone's clear - the role of the CPM is to facilitate change and act as an advocate for the community to CCP. This skillset is based on communication and diplomatic skill, not necessarily in-game skill. When we're doing our jobs right, we're connecting the concerns the community experts share with the developers that can directly address those issues - and not necessarily advising on every single game design decision personally. In fact, as CCP begins to work more directly with the public, our role as a sounding board diminishes.

In the meantime, those of you expecting to have a representative for every single play style or battlefield role are going to be disappointed. There are only 6 of us - but that doesn't mean we still can't advocate for issues like vehicle imbalance compared to infantry*. Our job is to make sure CCP actually spends time and energy working on the problem, YOUR job is to help with the specifics, which we happily pass on to the parties that need the information.

*This issue was in fact raised during our meeting and you should see more information on this shortly once CCP posts up their work-in-progress list based on the items we've been discussing over the last 48 hours.

On the note of specifics and communication how would you advise we best bring issues and feedback to the attention of the CPM? I frequent the feedback forums and it seems somewhat unreasonable of us to simply expect that CCP/CPM will be able to wade through/catch every single thread posted there. I am glad the feedback section is there it seems a valuable tool but I would like to know the best method to direct comments and questions to the CPM specifically.

Cheers, (and thanks for your work on our behalf)
Cross

We do try to watch as many threads as possible, but if you aren't sure, or just want to make sure we see it : Send us a mail. That's the easiest and best way to make sure we've seen what you posted.

Being spammed with links to goodposts is like being showered with skittles. It just feels ~awesome~

Until the next morning at least.... Then you're all sticky and your skin is funky colors.

We are pushing for a separate forum section to ease communication between the community and the CPM, so we in turn can communicate /that stuff/ to CCP easier. Just waiting on the CCP Web teams to do their magic.

I agree with you.

But, the fixes won't come before PC from what I've read of CCP comments. Same with the reset. The smart thing to do would be to hold any major game additions (cough PC) until the fixes could be made.

That will not happen. 5-14 is far too tempting a date for CCP to pass up "Release." Think of Peter Griffin getting excited about characters in movies saying the name of the movie and you're not far off the mark here.

So are we ever going to see these notes or what?

We do try to watch as many threads as possible, but if you aren't sure, or just want to make sure we see it : Send us a mail. That's the easiest and best way to make sure we've seen what you posted.

Being spammed with links to goodposts is like being showered with skittles. It just feels ~awesome~

Until the next morning at least.... Then you're all sticky and your skin is funky colors.

We are pushing for a separate forum section to ease communication between the community and the CPM, so we in turn can communicate /that stuff/ to CCP easier. Just waiting on the CCP Web teams to do their magic.

Nova nailed it, though I'll add that I'm currently only responding to mail sent to Hans Jagerblitzen, since I can actually type normally using EVEgate and not hampered by the **** email system we have within the Dust client at the moment (and you transparency-hounds can add fixing in-game mail to work with M/KB to your list of "stuff Hans is pushing for" ).

You can also reach me on Twitter: @hansshotfirst and on Skype: Hans.Jagerblitzen

WARNING: Direct contact is ALWAYS better than the forums. I do not have the time to read every forum thread, nor will I during my term. Even CCP uses software to do this because the forums are so clogged. If you guys learn to keep feedback in neatly organized threads and stop spamming the **** out of it with your rage, this may change - but for now please ping us directly if there's a post you want a response on.

Posting in a random thread and than expecting a CPM reply, if you haven't pinged one of us directly, is about the worst thing you can do. And, I'm not going to care about the whining if this is how you approach working with us. I've made getting ahold of me a rather trivial task, there's no excuse for any of the "But the CPM is ignoring us" bullkitten.

If you're expecting a transcript style breakdown of the meeting we had with CCP, its not going to happen. I think there seems to be some confusion here. We've stated in this thread what we've been pushing for - skill tree respec, more immediate effort on balancing, and above all - greater communication and transparency, there isn't some hidden list/agenda that we haven't been reporting to you guys.

And as far as CCP reporting on the meeting, that's exactly what they did in this thread where they not only committed to greater communication and transparency, but also to the respec, and balancing, etc. If you want to know what took place in the meeting, its all right there. Keep in mind that even on the CSM, notes are not taken at every single meeting for public disclosure, that itself is a full time job and is only compiled twice a year for the actual summits. If the CPM has a summit during our term, in Shanghai (we have no idea at this point, no plans have been made or any promises given) than we will record that whole meeting and draft up minutes for you all. But on a day to day basis, this is tedious work and takes away from us actually working to deliver more improvements to the game.

Rest assured no one will be left in the dark - just as during this first major interaction between the CSM and CCP we've made our objectives clear and they've made their response clear, we'll continue to deliver transparency as to the work going on behind the scenes, whenever possible.

I agree with you.

But, the fixes won't come before PC from what I've read of CCP comments. Same with the reset. The smart thing to do would be to hold any major game additions (cough PC) until the fixes could be made.

That will not happen. 5-14 is far too tempting a date for CCP to pass up "Release." Think of Peter Griffin getting excited about characters in movies saying the name of the movie and you're not far off the mark here.

you know a WORKING link to the IRC channel? (getting "error #2048" is getting OLD)
at least for me, coldfront has decided to die
(the old sticky on it is out of date)

* Connecting to irc.coldfront.net (8080)
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* Unable to connect to server (Connection timed out)
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* Connect retry #1 96.126.97.107 (8080)
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-stark.coldfront.net- *** Looking up your hostname...
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-stark.coldfront.net- *** Couldn't resolve your hostname; using your IP address instead
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Ping? Pong!
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Welcome to the Coldfront IRC Network......

i just tried my mIRC, it failed the first but connected on the second try

thanks, but my computer isn't finding stark. says it doesn't exist......