on the note of framerate fails on TQ from sisi

i'd bet it's the render thread getting stuck on some resource locked by the thread handling netcode
most likely related to player positions
might also explain perceived lag in all sorts of places, the client it waiting on the server to respond when it shouldn't it should move on with an assumed behavior, EG continue walking, so this might be related to throwing grenade sseeming to have huge delay, to getting stuck on things, to players being bouncy, and to huge FPS loss

just saying, look at something regarding player positions getting a mutex lock or something from netcode and holding up the render thread.

oh to test this see what the client does in test if you introduce ~100ms ping and 10% loss

not enough FG's left apperently

We actually made the same suggestion in the meeting, I pointed out specifically that since this is a console game and people aren't accessing the game through their PC's the way that EVE players do, its unreasonable to expect that any greater percentage of players are following along on the web as well while they play. Most don't even know that so much is discussed on the forums, by players OR devs for that matter. We mentioned a number of options, from email to a neocom button for news, to using the Merc quarters screen - and while I'm not sure how soon we'll see first fruits of this, we definitely made the case that forum threads and dev blogs aren't enough, players need to be able to read important announcements from within the game client. We need the ENTIRE community to have a chance to know what's going on and speak up, not just those of us insane enough to wade deep into the forums on a daily basis.

Just so everyone's clear - the role of the CPM is to facilitate change and act as an advocate for the community to CCP. This skillset is based on communication and diplomatic skill, not necessarily in-game skill. When we're doing our jobs right, we're connecting the concerns the community experts share with the developers that can directly address those issues - and not necessarily advising on every single game design decision personally. In fact, as CCP begins to work more directly with the public, our role as a sounding board diminishes.

In the meantime, those of you expecting to have a representative for every single play style or battlefield role are going to be disappointed. There are only 6 of us - but that doesn't mean we still can't advocate for issues like vehicle imbalance compared to infantry*. Our job is to make sure CCP actually spends time and energy working on the problem, YOUR job is to help with the specifics, which we happily pass on to the parties that need the information.

*This issue was in fact raised during our meeting and you should see more information on this shortly once CCP posts up their work-in-progress list based on the items we've been discussing over the last 48 hours.

FINALLY! Someone who understands lag and networking!

i'm glad to hear this, and look forward to seeing something implemented .

even if its as simple as a notice to check the forums;
i've seen other games that launch the PS3 Web Browser for providing additional information, or services. Granted, this would exit you from the game, but it might be an easy way to implement without too much additional coding .

You're going have to wait on CCP on this.

I will have you know I am driving militia tanks now, current record for longest survival of a tank has been 2 matches so far.

Look the positive thing is we all have not gave up the game. We all came to the forums to tell our concerns and we didn't quit playing so there is always hope. So with enough feedback we can all fix this game and make it better in the far future.

Ok so what is the CPM advocating and why? Not really sure about your communication skills seeing as you've ignored my concerns (sure it's buried amongst many others but hey, why me). If you told me what you're advocating and why, I wouldn't feel ignored, just perhaps misrepresented. But at least then I would understand where you're coming from and what drives *you*.

You're trying to facilitate changes that I'm not convinced isn't pandering to the masses.

CPM's any news on a respecc yet? I apologize if there has been and i havent seen it im not much of a forum troll.. But it has been several days. Any info?

We are still working on things with CCP to get the Skill Tree fixed so no ETA yet. Hans is confident that it should be by the end of the month but we will see.

We will let you know when its possible to let you know.

Jenza thank you for the reply.
Im alittle concerned because i think i speak for alot of people who feel these changes should be in place before PC is released.. If the plan is to allow us a respecc either way why not push for it on the 14th? Is that something the CPM could push for? If anyone agrees with this please reply so the CPMs and CCP will see this. Thanks

Jenza thank you for the reply.
Im alittle concerned because i think i speak for alot of people who feel these changes should be in place before PC is released.. If the plan is to allow us a respecc either way why not push for it on the 14th? Is that something the CPM could push for? If anyone agrees with this please reply so the CPMs and CCP will see this. Thanks

I'm glad that CCP formed the CPM this early in the process so that players have someone to represent their concerns. Lack of timely, comprehensive and accurate information is definitely my number one concern.

Just so everyone's clear - the role of the CPM is to facilitate change and act as an advocate for the community to CCP. This skillset is based on communication and diplomatic skill, not necessarily in-game skill. When we're doing our jobs right, we're connecting the concerns the community experts share with the developers that can directly address those issues - and not necessarily advising on every single game design decision personally. In fact, as CCP begins to work more directly with the public, our role as a sounding board diminishes.

In the meantime, those of you expecting to have a representative for every single play style or battlefield role are going to be disappointed. There are only 6 of us - but that doesn't mean we still can't advocate for issues like vehicle imbalance compared to infantry*. Our job is to make sure CCP actually spends time and energy working on the problem, YOUR job is to help with the specifics, which we happily pass on to the parties that need the information.

*This issue was in fact raised during our meeting and you should see more information on this shortly once CCP posts up their work-in-progress list based on the items we've been discussing over the last 48 hours.

On the note of specifics and communication how would you advise we best bring issues and feedback to the attention of the CPM? I frequent the feedback forums and it seems somewhat unreasonable of us to simply expect that CCP/CPM will be able to wade through/catch every single thread posted there. I am glad the feedback section is there it seems a valuable tool but I would like to know the best method to direct comments and questions to the CPM specifically.

Cheers, (and thanks for your work on our behalf)
Cross

We do try to watch as many threads as possible, but if you aren't sure, or just want to make sure we see it : Send us a mail. That's the easiest and best way to make sure we've seen what you posted.

Being spammed with links to goodposts is like being showered with skittles. It just feels ~awesome~

Until the next morning at least.... Then you're all sticky and your skin is funky colors.

We are pushing for a separate forum section to ease communication between the community and the CPM, so we in turn can communicate /that stuff/ to CCP easier. Just waiting on the CCP Web teams to do their magic.

I agree with you.

But, the fixes won't come before PC from what I've read of CCP comments. Same with the reset. The smart thing to do would be to hold any major game additions (cough PC) until the fixes could be made.

That will not happen. 5-14 is far too tempting a date for CCP to pass up "Release." Think of Peter Griffin getting excited about characters in movies saying the name of the movie and you're not far off the mark here.

So are we ever going to see these notes or what?

We do try to watch as many threads as possible, but if you aren't sure, or just want to make sure we see it : Send us a mail. That's the easiest and best way to make sure we've seen what you posted.

Being spammed with links to goodposts is like being showered with skittles. It just feels ~awesome~

Until the next morning at least.... Then you're all sticky and your skin is funky colors.

We are pushing for a separate forum section to ease communication between the community and the CPM, so we in turn can communicate /that stuff/ to CCP easier. Just waiting on the CCP Web teams to do their magic.

Nova nailed it, though I'll add that I'm currently only responding to mail sent to Hans Jagerblitzen, since I can actually type normally using EVEgate and not hampered by the **** email system we have within the Dust client at the moment (and you transparency-hounds can add fixing in-game mail to work with M/KB to your list of "stuff Hans is pushing for" ).

You can also reach me on Twitter: @hansshotfirst and on Skype: Hans.Jagerblitzen

WARNING: Direct contact is ALWAYS better than the forums. I do not have the time to read every forum thread, nor will I during my term. Even CCP uses software to do this because the forums are so clogged. If you guys learn to keep feedback in neatly organized threads and stop spamming the **** out of it with your rage, this may change - but for now please ping us directly if there's a post you want a response on.

Posting in a random thread and than expecting a CPM reply, if you haven't pinged one of us directly, is about the worst thing you can do. And, I'm not going to care about the whining if this is how you approach working with us. I've made getting ahold of me a rather trivial task, there's no excuse for any of the "But the CPM is ignoring us" bullkitten.

If you're expecting a transcript style breakdown of the meeting we had with CCP, its not going to happen. I think there seems to be some confusion here. We've stated in this thread what we've been pushing for - skill tree respec, more immediate effort on balancing, and above all - greater communication and transparency, there isn't some hidden list/agenda that we haven't been reporting to you guys.

And as far as CCP reporting on the meeting, that's exactly what they did in this thread where they not only committed to greater communication and transparency, but also to the respec, and balancing, etc. If you want to know what took place in the meeting, its all right there. Keep in mind that even on the CSM, notes are not taken at every single meeting for public disclosure, that itself is a full time job and is only compiled twice a year for the actual summits. If the CPM has a summit during our term, in Shanghai (we have no idea at this point, no plans have been made or any promises given) than we will record that whole meeting and draft up minutes for you all. But on a day to day basis, this is tedious work and takes away from us actually working to deliver more improvements to the game.

Rest assured no one will be left in the dark - just as during this first major interaction between the CSM and CCP we've made our objectives clear and they've made their response clear, we'll continue to deliver transparency as to the work going on behind the scenes, whenever possible.

I agree with you.

But, the fixes won't come before PC from what I've read of CCP comments. Same with the reset. The smart thing to do would be to hold any major game additions (cough PC) until the fixes could be made.

That will not happen. 5-14 is far too tempting a date for CCP to pass up "Release." Think of Peter Griffin getting excited about characters in movies saying the name of the movie and you're not far off the mark here.

you know a WORKING link to the IRC channel? (getting "error #2048" is getting OLD)
at least for me, coldfront has decided to die
(the old sticky on it is out of date)

* Connecting to irc.coldfront.net (8080)
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* Unable to connect to server (Connection timed out)
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* Connect retry #1 96.126.97.107 (8080)
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-stark.coldfront.net- *** Looking up your hostname...
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-stark.coldfront.net- *** Couldn't resolve your hostname; using your IP address instead
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Ping? Pong!
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Welcome to the Coldfront IRC Network......

i just tried my mIRC, it failed the first but connected on the second try