DUST Search - Please Read: May 6 CPM0/CCP meeting regarding "Uprising" and the road...

General Tiberius1 wrote:

Lonnar wrote:

Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote:

Naquiri wrote:

If I may make a suggestion.

i think it would be helpful for the folks that spend more of their time in-game than on the Forums, that when significant information is being posted by CPM or CCP, in this case the details of the meeting, a notice using the in-game Notification system is sent out.

We actually made the same suggestion in the meeting, I pointed out specifically that since this is a console game and people aren't accessing the game through their PC's the way that EVE players do, its unreasonable to expect that any greater percentage of players are following along on the web as well while they play. Most don't even know that so much is discussed on the forums, by players OR devs for that matter. We mentioned a number of options, from email to a neocom button for news, to using the Merc quarters screen - and while I'm not sure how soon we'll see first fruits of this, we definitely made the case that forum threads and dev blogs aren't enough, players need to be able to read important announcements from within the game client. We need the ENTIRE community to have a chance to know what's going on and speak up, not just those of us insane enough to wade deep into the forums on a daily basis.

You have to admit though, that delving into the forums is an adventure in itself. I'm not heavily outspoken here on the forums even though I've been kicking around since Open Beta. I'll comment from time to time, but I prefer to watch, learn, adapt, and then take action. Sort of like an informant who simply gathers information and then sells it to the highest bidder.

However I do agree. We really do need something in-game to alert us to a new happening when it comes to DUST 514 and the game mechanics. Strangely though ... I'd probably hop off and swim back here just to see what people are saying about the news xD

would still be a nice idea for the people who never get on the forums

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Heinrich Jagerblitzen D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire 272	Posted - 2013.05.10 01:25:00 - [91] - Quote Covert Clay wrote: Mr Heinrich sir, Can we fully expect another respec or do we just have to wait and find out? You're going to have to wait to find out. CCP will be the one to announce that once they make a decision either way. All I can do is tell you we're feeling pretty good about it right now.
Lonnar KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 14	Posted - 2013.05.10 01:43:00 - [92] - Quote General Tiberius1 wrote: Lonnar wrote: Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote: Naquiri wrote: If I may make a suggestion. i think it would be helpful for the folks that spend more of their time in-game than on the Forums, that when significant information is being posted by CPM or CCP, in this case the details of the meeting, a notice using the in-game Notification system is sent out. We actually made the same suggestion in the meeting, I pointed out specifically that since this is a console game and people aren't accessing the game through their PC's the way that EVE players do, its unreasonable to expect that any greater percentage of players are following along on the web as well while they play. Most don't even know that so much is discussed on the forums, by players OR devs for that matter. We mentioned a number of options, from email to a neocom button for news, to using the Merc quarters screen - and while I'm not sure how soon we'll see first fruits of this, we definitely made the case that forum threads and dev blogs aren't enough, players need to be able to read important announcements from within the game client. We need the ENTIRE community to have a chance to know what's going on and speak up, not just those of us insane enough to wade deep into the forums on a daily basis. You have to admit though, that delving into the forums is an adventure in itself. I'm not heavily outspoken here on the forums even though I've been kicking around since Open Beta. I'll comment from time to time, but I prefer to watch, learn, adapt, and then take action. Sort of like an informant who simply gathers information and then sells it to the highest bidder. However I do agree. We really do need something in-game to alert us to a new happening when it comes to DUST 514 and the game mechanics. Strangely though ... I'd probably hop off and swim back here just to see what people are saying about the news xD would still be a nice idea for the people who never get on the forums Indeed. That would indeed be handy for those out of the general loop. So we make the loop bigger to include them =P
General Tiberius1 ZionTCD Unclaimed. 637	Posted - 2013.05.10 01:45:00 - [93] - Quote and if they could somehow respond? that would be perfect. might even get some new ideas in here
andreySYT The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 2	Posted - 2013.05.10 01:48:00 - [94] - Quote Believe it or not but I made this account in the December or October of 2012, i think. So technically I was here since the closed Beta. In Closed Beta this game had so many problems. I would empty a whole clip and the dude wouldn't even have a scratch. the hit detection was so broken that i could barely play the game. But, that's not my point. When chromosome came out in closed beta i couldn't even play it because my internet is very unstable and in-game updates never ever download for me. The worst part for me though was that they don't update the PlayStation store client at all. They only updated it on the open beta. That's not only bad for me but for new people downloading the game, especially if they have slow internet. They were probably like, i spent hours downloading this and then i have to spend more hours downloading this other update? c'mon, it will be quicker to go to the nearest Walmart and buy some kind of low rate game and play it almost right away when you get home. Then when Uprising comes out they dont update the client and im stuck not playing it (no matter how horrible you say it is, i still want to play it) This may be rare but im probably not the only one who has slow and unstable internet. I hope they will atleast update the store client on the 14th.[ b] Please please next time CCP brings out an update, could you also update the store client also for people like me who will probably end up missing out later, after launch when they wont be changing the store client at all because its already launched. [/b]
Artificer Ghost Bojo's School of the Trades 43	Posted - 2013.05.10 01:59:00 - [95] - Quote Thank goodness there's a likely chance for a respec. Amarrian Logistics? Nope! I mean, goodness. I last as long as I did last build, in the default Artificer Fit, with no mods. And the Amarr Logi has more Shields/Armor! Seriously though, CPM. Bro to bro(s?), great job. It's always nice to hear that the DUST players have someone to represent them, and not the newberries that think the AR is underpowered. Because I get sniped by ARs in Chromosome. Now, they're fine. xD
General Tiberius1 ZionTCD Unclaimed. 637	Posted - 2013.05.10 02:14:00 - [96] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=774276#post774276 bottom reply, next week before we hear anything
bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries 91	Posted - 2013.05.10 04:15:00 - [97] - Quote [FEEDBACK] Aiming in Uprising feels different: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=761754#post761754 Status: We are investigating this issue and will apply fixes accordingly. Hopefully this issue was discussed as a sooner then later especially with PC around the corner.... ?
SoTa of PoP Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 146	Posted - 2013.05.10 04:22:00 - [98] - Quote I'd really like that list of questions CPM asked CCP.
CommanderBolt A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 4	Posted - 2013.05.10 04:34:00 - [99] - Quote Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote: I'll be the first to start. You'll be happy to know that a full respec following an adjustment to the skill tree in order to reduce the overall SP requirement back in the direction of Chromosome-level train times was actually one of the primary "must-do" items on the CPM's agenda. Not only that, I think there is a strong possibility that we will see this, and see this within the month. No promises or dates here yet - but based on the positive reception from CCP I think this is quite likely at this point, enough to say so publicly. I do hope this is the case. Please inform CCP that as a Assault Dropship / Vehicle character, I WILL NOT be putting any SP into vehicles again if we do get another sp reset. Not until there is some balance. Assault DropShips take too hard a hit from forge guns in both HP loss and the fact it sends you flying in horrible directions. Shooting the damn pilots turret is also very clumsy. I also hear tankers are having it bad. Seems its all about Duvolles and heavy shield tanked dropsuits.
RINON114 B.S.A.A. 144	Posted - 2013.05.10 05:21:00 - [100] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote: I'll be the first to start. You'll be happy to know that a full respec following an adjustment to the skill tree in order to reduce the overall SP requirement back in the direction of Chromosome-level train times was actually one of the primary "must-do" items on the CPM's agenda. Not only that, I think there is a strong possibility that we will see this, and see this within the month. No promises or dates here yet - but based on the positive reception from CCP I think this is quite likely at this point, enough to say so publicly. I do hope this is the case. Please inform CCP that as a Assault Dropship / Vehicle character, I WILL NOT be putting any SP into vehicles again if we do get another sp reset. Not until there is some balance. Assault DropShips take too hard a hit from forge guns in both HP loss and the fact it sends you flying in horrible directions. Shooting the damn pilots turret is also very clumsy. I also hear tankers are having it bad. Seems its all about Duvolles and heavy shield tanked dropsuits. Wasn't it always about that?

Summer-Wolf Planetary Response Organisation 39	Posted - 2013.05.10 05:23:00 - [101] - Quote General Tiberius1 wrote: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=774276#post774276 bottom reply, next week before we hear anything please dont tell me thats the notes the CPM was talking about...
SoTa of PoP Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 151	Posted - 2013.05.10 05:26:00 - [102] - Quote Summer-Wolf wrote: General Tiberius1 wrote: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=774276#post774276 bottom reply, next week before we hear anything please dont tell me thats the notes the CPM was talking about... No - that's just the feedback section notes basically.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4019	Posted - 2013.05.10 05:39:00 - [103] - Quote Summer-Wolf wrote: General Tiberius1 wrote: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=774276#post774276 bottom reply, next week before we hear anything please dont tell me thats the notes the CPM was talking about... Its not.
SoTa of PoP Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 151	Posted - 2013.05.10 05:44:00 - [104] - Quote SoTa of PoP wrote: I'd really like that list of questions CPM asked CCP. How about a copy of the conversation instead? I know it probably took place on Skype so don't say it's impossible :) Or you could tell me it's too 'confidential' and share with us how truly transparent CPM and CCP is. Either way I want to know what exactly CPM brought to the table and how. If we're to build trust I need to see it first hand.
General Tiberius1 ZionTCD Unclaimed. 638	Posted - 2013.05.10 06:19:00 - [105] - Quote SoTa of PoP wrote: SoTa of PoP wrote: I'd really like that list of questions CPM asked CCP. How about a copy of the conversation instead? I know it probably took place on Skype so don't say it's impossible :) Or you could tell me it's too 'confidential' and share with us how truly transparent CPM and CCP is. Either way I want to know what exactly CPM brought to the table and how. If we're to build trust I need to see it first hand. just you? what about the rest of us
SoTa of PoP Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 154	Posted - 2013.05.10 06:35:00 - [106] - Quote General Tiberius1 wrote: SoTa of PoP wrote: SoTa of PoP wrote: I'd really like that list of questions CPM asked CCP. How about a copy of the conversation instead? I know it probably took place on Skype so don't say it's impossible :) Or you could tell me it's too 'confidential' and share with us how truly transparent CPM and CCP is. Either way I want to know what exactly CPM brought to the table and how. If we're to build trust I need to see it first hand. just you? what about the rest of us I'm pretty sure we'd all like to see how CPM is actually fighting for us. And let me make it clear: I like the current CPM choices. I do not like the situation you guys are in with how this build turned out, but neither do I like what I've seen so far as your guys's reaction. This thread will be your guys's first official community wide voice you've issued out to us - and as such I feel it's needed to tear you guys a part until I see right through you and into CCP - which is suppose to be your job. So gimmie that conversation or at least a list of questions you asked CCP. I'm sure the vehicle guys in particular are afraid they're not getting heard hard enough or about the right things.
Roy Xkillerz Red Star. EoN. 15	Posted - 2013.05.10 07:07:00 - [107] - Quote Look the positive thing is we all have not gave up the game. We all came to the forums to tell our concerns and we didn't quit playing so there is always hope. So with enough feedback we can all fix this game and make it better in the far future.
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 681	Posted - 2013.05.10 07:28:00 - [108] - Quote So anything on HAVs or have we been thrown under the short-bus?
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4019	Posted - 2013.05.10 07:47:00 - [109] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: So anything on HAVs or have we been thrown under the short-bus? You're going have to wait on CCP on this. I will have you know I am driving militia tanks now, current record for longest survival of a tank has been 2 matches so far.
Hawkings Greenback D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION 30	Posted - 2013.05.10 08:06:00 - [110] - Quote It is good to see the CPM get a handle on these issues. Uprising has a lot of potential that is being overshadowed by lots of niggly things that either didn't need to happen or shouldn't have happened. Look forward to reading the notes of the meeting & to see the kind of dialogue you have with CCP.

We are 138 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 20	Posted - 2013.05.10 08:16:00 - [111] - Quote grreen mctree wrote: Give it up fella, dust is dead. If you can't see that you obviously have poor judgement and imo are not fit to represent ANY community. Boo. get off the forums then. If we keep flinging **** at the devs like angry apes then THEY will give up on the game. I for one am more than willing to keep playing a FREE game that is being worked on. We need more constructive discussion and less raving like spoiled children that are not getting there way. Really though GTFO
General Tiberius1 ZionTCD Unclaimed. 639	Posted - 2013.05.10 10:03:00 - [112] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Rasatsu wrote: So anything on HAVs or have we been thrown under the short-bus? You're going have to wait on CCP on this. I will have you know I am driving militia tanks now, current record for longest survival of a tank has been 2 matches so far. not enough FG's left apperently
Roy Xkillerz Red Star. EoN. 15	Posted - 2013.05.10 11:11:00 - [113] - Quote Quote: I'll be the first to start. You'll be happy to know that a full respec following an adjustment to the skill tree in order to reduce the overall SP requirement back in the direction of Chromosome-level train times was actually one of the primary "must-do" items on the CPM's agenda. Not only that, I think there is a strong possibility that we will see this, and see this within the month. No promises or dates here yet - but based on the positive reception from CCP I think this is quite likely at this point, enough to say so publicly. I am 100% for this. Why in the coming 2 years CCP will most likely release 2 to 3 x more skills and maybe tech 3 weapons and dropsuits so there will by better protos in the game or higher. With uprising levels this game will turn into a big grind you don't want that and getting all the skills already take many years. But for stuff like super tanks or HQ bases compared to titans to eve sp training times should by high cause it should by rare.
Canari Elphus Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 90	Posted - 2013.05.10 11:58:00 - [114] - Quote Roy Xkillerz wrote: Quote: I'll be the first to start. You'll be happy to know that a full respec following an adjustment to the skill tree in order to reduce the overall SP requirement back in the direction of Chromosome-level train times was actually one of the primary "must-do" items on the CPM's agenda. Not only that, I think there is a strong possibility that we will see this, and see this within the month. No promises or dates here yet - but based on the positive reception from CCP I think this is quite likely at this point, enough to say so publicly. I am 100% for this. Why in the coming 2 years CCP will most likely release 2 to 3 x more skills and maybe tech 3 weapons and dropsuits so there will by better protos in the game or higher. With uprising levels this game will turn into a big grind you don't want that and getting all the skills already take many years. But for stuff like super tanks or HQ bases compared to titans to eve sp training times should by high cause it should by rare. The problem with that is that we have a very limited space in which the game can operate. While the EVE universe is big, our matches are a small group of mercs over a short period of time. Anything that would be like the 'super tanks' you described would be OP on the battlefield as there is not enough time to actually take them out. CCP's best chance is to turn Factional Warfare into something that is a continuous battle over a long period of time with a large player count. That is the only way I can think of that you could have vets and newbs on the same terrain and not be a stomp because the newblets can zerg the vets/super vehicles. Its always going to be a tough balancing act - You have to give vets a reason to stay and continue the grind - You have to give newbs a reason to join and begin the grind
Soozu 5o1st 80	Posted - 2013.05.10 12:23:00 - [115] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Rasatsu wrote: So anything on HAVs or have we been thrown under the short-bus? You're going have to wait on CCP on this. I will have you know I am driving militia tanks now, current record for longest survival of a tank has been 2 matches so far. If you're trying to suggest tanks aren't completely broken, then you don't know what you are talking about. So who is the vehicle using CPM then?
Roy Xkillerz Red Star. EoN. 15	Posted - 2013.05.10 12:31:00 - [116] - Quote Oh with super tanks and stuff. Those will only by enable in 0.0 and those battles will end until everyone is killed. Also eve players can supply new clones into those battlefields. So it might take some effort to kill such thing but totally possible. So what I am saying here forget FW forget instant battles see this as the final form as PC in 0.0 That is gonna look very diffrent with very huge battlefields. Like in eve offensive capitals are not allowed in high sec. CCP is still brainstorming about this. Faction warfare can indeed go into many good directions. Remember we will by seeing more fun content like PVE and more FW.
Heinrich Jagerblitzen D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire 289	Posted - 2013.05.10 13:11:00 - [117] - Quote Soozu wrote: If you're trying to suggest tanks aren't completely broken, then you don't know what you are talking about. So who is the vehicle using CPM then? Just so everyone's clear - the role of the CPM is to facilitate change and act as an advocate for the community to CCP. This skillset is based on communication and diplomatic skill, not necessarily in-game skill. When we're doing our jobs right, we're connecting the concerns the community experts share with the developers that can directly address those issues - and not necessarily advising on every single game design decision personally. In fact, as CCP begins to work more directly with the public, our role as a sounding board diminishes. In the meantime, those of you expecting to have a representative for every single play style or battlefield role are going to be disappointed. There are only 6 of us - but that doesn't mean we still can't advocate for issues like vehicle imbalance compared to infantry. Our job is to make sure CCP actually spends time and energy working on the problem, YOUR job is to help with the specifics, which we happily pass on to the parties that need the information. This issue was in fact raised during our meeting and you should see more information on this shortly once CCP posts up their work-in-progress list based on the items we've been discussing over the last 48 hours.
Meeko Fent Mercenary incorperated 23	Posted - 2013.05.10 14:05:00 - [118] - Quote RECON BY FIRE wrote: Ill believe it when I see it. The ignorance CCP has shown with Uprising is extraordinary. All they had to do was take Chromosome and add stuff to it, but no. They just had to go and change the entire core of the game and kept us misinformed about what they were doing the whole way. I believe that the complete overhaul was a step in the right direction. If you saw all the people who saw Chromosome's skill tree or played it for mare then 2 matches without actually wanting to make the game better and quit, this softens the landing of a new player, and with the new graphics, those people from Battlefield 3 and CoD might stop QQing on the request forums for a graphical update. Uprising really made it so New Players can play the game without going WTF at Important facets of the game like the Skill Tree or the number of times they got munched by a LAV suicide bombing his/her tank
Soozu 5o1st 80	Posted - 2013.05.10 14:38:00 - [119] - Quote Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote: Soozu wrote: If you're trying to suggest tanks aren't completely broken, then you don't know what you are talking about. So who is the vehicle using CPM then? Just so everyone's clear - the role of the CPM is to facilitate change and act as an advocate for the community to CCP.. Just so I'm clear. What is your stance on vehicles considering the community is up in arms regarding the vehicle changes? His comment suggest there isn't a problem, whilst the people he advocates on behalf of say otherwise.
Summer-Wolf Planetary Response Organisation 39	Posted - 2013.05.10 14:48:00 - [120] - Quote What about SP and the changes coming? Wang didnt touch on that. (no pun intended)



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