Wait until the 14th...

IMO Logistics should be restricted to a sidearm instead of a light weapon, so they can focus on being logibros and not Assaults.

That's just my opinion though.

IMO Logistics should be restricted to a sidearm instead of a light weapon, so they can focus on being logibros and not Assaults.

That's just my opinion though.

That is actually a damn good idea.

Make it so CCP.

IMO Logistics should be restricted to a sidearm instead of a light weapon, so they can focus on being logibros and not Assaults.

That's just my opinion though.

So when you die and the enemy is camping your body and my sidearm can't take him out due to the range, are you going to post a thread about how you never get revived/get killend again?

I'm not saying all Logis do, but there is a definite increase in Logis on the battlefield and its not because Injectors are the great new thing or Rep tools have suddenly gotten better, it's because Logis can finally pubstomp and they are taking advantage of the fact that they have more CPU and more slots than any other suit.

What pisses me off it that if this were AR guys or for heaven's sake a heavy, Logis and the rest of the community would be up in arms about it tripping over one another to be able to make hate threads about it. But since Logis have the power now, they don't see anything wrong with it and any suggestion to fix it is a reason to hate on someone.

How CCP didn't see this coming is beyond me.

IMO Logistics should be restricted to a sidearm instead of a light weapon, so they can focus on being logibros and not Assaults.

That's just my opinion though.

You do realize that reviving is broken as hell right now?

Are you running with a logi in your squad? I advice you to find one.

So it's only the LogiBros that started these hate threads on the forums?

Your solution is to make the LogiBro useless because of some people that didn't help you? Why don't you run Logi yourself if you think they are so OP?

That is actually a damn good idea.

Make it so CCP.

You are all missing the point.

Let me math it out for you:

Caldari Logistics: 5% bonus to Shield Extender Modules

Dropsuit Shield Upgrades: 5% bonus to maximum shield per level (Cal start at 180)

A proto at 5 slots can be running (5*66)*1.25, that's 412 shield from modules alone, max upgrade and another 225, that's 637 shield alone.

Dump in a few armor plates and kinetic booster to balance speed loss and you can have your Logi floating near 1000 HP.

Throw a Duvolle on him and he's now more powerful than any assault with the same on the field and still faster than heavies with near relative HP.

Then he's got his own equipment resupply points.

Not sure why you're all complaining about logis with damage mods, CCP just made a bipedal tank who could use a militia smg and kill you in head-on 1v1 should have you significantly more concerned.

Start writing names Logibro's ....

Lets start a " Black List " of people that will not to get healing or revives ...

I'll start my yellow list then, so I know who to plop remote explosives on to cost them those fancy suits.

and please, tell me all about how you rez soooooo many mercs. I've gotten 2 revives in the last 3 days. both were from squad members who had trouble locating my corpse even with the marker. I see "triage unit nearby" every ****ing time I go down, and when I signal, then they simply run away from me.

I've been killed by more logis than I've killed because they had the health of a heavy, the same damage as an assault, and could self supply so that they needed(and provided) no support. that is not the role of the logistics unit, the role of the logistics unit is to provide support to the team, not be a one man army that invalidates 80% of tactics used against them.

sneak up on them? too bad, their shields see them tanking your shots, turning and gunning you down. Flux grenade? they stack armor and gun you down. find one with no shields? oh damn, he's armor-stacked. wait, he has to resupply! oh wait, he can carry enough gear to plop down a nanohive whenever he might need. maybe even a hive that heals him(along with his self-rep) and gives him ammo!

Good job ccp. you made the game look pretty, and broke the gameplay. Logi514, the game where you use a tactical rifle, some basically free av nades to pop tanks like nothing(without even having to put skill points in!) and if anyone complains about it, you threaten to not do the one job your role was designed for, that you no longer do anyways!

The assault dropsuit have much better shields.

I was an assault in the previous build, and my K/D ratio have drop from 1.80 to 1.00 now that i decided to be a Logi... explain that one.

I sacrifice my K/D ratio, to try to help my Corp in the Planetary Conquest.

I would still like some kind of comparison with possible eHP between assault proto and logi proto.

you keep getting caught with your pants down(injector/rep tool out) in a firefight. doesn't change the FACT that caldari logi's have bar none the highest non-vehicular, non-installation shields.

assault's shields come back faster to allow them to get into the fight after they get shot. logi's are so high that they don't have to worry about getting shot in the first place.

In fact, that could be your problem as well, you get used to having kitten-tons of shields, so you just try to power through and when they go down, you panic and die.

or, you're so busy looking to assist a team mate that you're simply not being as aggressive as you were with an assault.

I went minmatar scout. my KD has risen, and those kills are with kittening knives and nades.(more knives than nades at this point) what's your excuse?

Not 100% sure, i'll check later ... But is much, much higher.

and please, tell me all about how you rez soooooo many mercs. I've gotten 2 revives in the last 3 days. both were from squad members who had trouble locating my corpse even with the marker. I see "triage unit nearby" every ****ing time I go down, and when I signal, then they simply run away from me.

well the caldari logi can get up to and between 622 - 667 Shield HP, depending on how stacking works, the Dedicated Assault can get up to 563 shield HP +-

Dont forget the logies dont need Armor Reps modules so the proto logi has an extra slot the assault has to use to rep himself..and if he wanted could get around 600 hp armor, but he would be a turtle, say 2 armor plates & 2 kintic movement modules to counter the speed, so the caldari logi is sitting at around 1k hp or 1.2k turtle version.

Its doubtfull, that an assault with 600 hp can take it down when 1 Vs 1 it.

Caldari prototype assault base HP 210/120 w/ maxed skills it's: 262.5/150
Caldari prototype logistic base HP 180/90 w/ maxed skills it's: 225/112.5

bases start lower for logistics suit. we will be assuming full skills for the purposes of this comparison.

Pertinent Slots: 4H3L assault, 5H4L logistics.

maximum stackable(assuming bonus is only from extension related skill and suit bonus stacking additively to 35% in the logi's favor{base skill to 5 alongside the extra 25% extension bonus of the caldari logi suit, ignoring the 25% shield skill that improved the bases.} leaving the assault with 10%{base skill for extenders to 5})

assault: 552.9/529.5
logistics: 670.5/618.5

Rounded up.
A:553/530
L:671/619

difference: 118/89 with 5 hp/s standard repair on armor in the logi's favor.

And how that compares to the Heavy max Hp ?... or is this an attack to the assault dropsuits, and not just the Logi's ?

And how that compares to the Heavy max Hp ?... or is this an attack to the assault dropsuits, and not just the Logi's ?

sentinel base w/ passives: 506.25/506.25

slots: 1H4L

sentinel maxed: 578.85/1012.25

rounded

579/1012

logistic HP: 671/619
sentinel HP: 579/1012

difference: -92/+393

sentinel heavy has significantly greater armor points. enough to replace a high slot with a rep and maintain higher EHP/ or a pocket logi if they just want to stack armor.

Just a question: Are you guys just annoyed by the Caldari logi suit or also the other races? If so do you think there is a solution that only affects the Caldari one or does the Assault specialization suck so hard maybe?

Are the more anti-shield focussed weapons going to change this?

Too Eskel Bondfrees solution: What's the point of the Amarr logi then?

Too Eskel Bondfrees solution: What's the point of the Amarr logi then?

The issue isn't even the Cal slots (though I still think 5/4/3 is kind of ridiculous. Give them the reverse of Gall and 5/3/3 or something)

The issue is the +5% bonus to Shield Extender Modules which is a straight % boost on those pushing the Complex from 66 shield to 82.5 per module at lvl5 Cal Logi, of which they can load up five, as stated.

What's the point of the Amarr logi then?

Why CCP made logi's the best combat unit has always puzzled me...

You are all missing the point.

Let me math it out for you:

Caldari Logistics: 5% bonus to Shield Extender Modules

Dropsuit Shield Upgrades: 5% bonus to maximum shield per level (Cal start at 180)

A proto at 5 slots can be running (5*66)*1.25, that's 412 shield from modules alone, max upgrade and another 225, that's 637 shield alone.

Dump in a few armor plates and kinetic booster to balance speed loss and you can have your Logi floating near 1000 HP.

Throw a Duvolle on him and he's now more powerful than any assault with the same on the field and still faster than heavies with near relative HP.

Then he's got his own equipment resupply points.

Not sure why you're all complaining about logis with damage mods, CCP just made a bipedal tank who could use a militia smg and kill you in head-on 1v1 should have you significantly more concerned.

most ppl don't play eve here on dust but what you guy don't know in eve caldari are the only race gets electronic warfare and that where that 5 hi slot come in all of the scaning mod are hi slots and if we get some kind of jamming it will be a hi slot so calm down ppl

That is actually a damn good idea.

Make it so CCP.

You do realize that reviving is broken as hell right now?

Are you running with a logi in your squad? I advice you to find one.

So it's only the LogiBros that started these hate threads on the forums?

Your solution is to make the LogiBro useless because of some people that didn't help you? Why don't you run Logi yourself if you think they are so OP?

proto assaults have more PG than proto logi suits.

If someone finds the answer let me know. I speced into Amar Logistics so my toon would stay "true" to his faction.

I hope they offer a one time paid repec at some point in the foreseeable future.

Lower our damge by 25%?

You gotta be kitten me?

I understand you are attempting to "fix" people from using the Logi to run assault, but this is very counter intuitive. Do you know how hard it is for me to stay alive long enough to actually run support for my team?

This bright ass yellow color is a death wish for those actually attempting to run support. You may as well strip us actual Logi's of any means to defend ourself.

I am not one to complain, but I really hope CCP takes a look at the Logistics "overall" support role again and perhaps makes a few tweaks in the near future.

See that bright yellow Calderi Logistics guy running with an assault build and not playing the support role?

Flux grenade for the win!

Please use them because it frustrates be beyond belief when people run Logistics as an Assault.

How does amarr logi have 25% less damage?

I feel the need to comment here.

Logi's don't have too many modules, we don't have too much CPU/PG, we don't have too much of anything, it's just that everyone else has too little of everything. Stop with the goddamn nerfs and start with the buffs. This game gets slower and slower gameplay with every nerf, how about we change some of the racial bonuses around to begin with.

Caldari Assault Dropsuit SHOULD have the 5% bonus the shield extenders per level.
Caldari Logistics Dropsuit SHOULD have a 5% bonus to nanohive nanite capacity per level.(the logistics racial bonuses should actually apply to being logistics.)
While we're at it, give the Amarr Sentinel Dropsuit a 3% small-arms gunfire damage reduction per level.
Minmatar and Gallente logi bonuses actually apply to being logistics so they can stay, the Amarr Logistics Dropsuit SHOULD give a 5% bonus to stamina and stamina regen per level, to keep pace with other units since their base speeds are the lowest.

The general Assault Dropsuit bonus should be changed from +3% shield regen to +2% hand-held weapon damage per level, to support the fact that they should be killing people. Electronics and Engineering SP costs need to be lowered so that non-logi's can have the CPU and PG to equip what they need to. You can do all of this without nerfing the logistics class and handicapping the only class that has been free from this idiotic nerf-spree CCP has been set on.

[quote=RKKR][quote=Deadeye Dic]
. I have also had blueberries start panicing and throwing grenades and shooting at me when I repair them as they seem to think I have set them on fire or something, there is nothing so comical/sad as starting to rep a bluedot for them to panic spin round lob a grenade at you and suicide before I can explain its a good thing.

HAHAHA! Yes!

Hell, why not give them a Logi-only weapon CCP? Make it shoot kittening rainbows to tell the enemy your exact position. In the meantime, let us use the Square button in combat while in a logi suit to emit a comical fart animation, lay down on the ground, and curl up in a ball while sucking our thumbs.

Step 1: Remove the ability for Logi's to fit Damage Mods (Tie it to some fluff about the subroutines being incompatible or some bs)
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit

I think it's silly to say a Logi player cant have a good weapon. I however do agree that Logi's with damage mods encourages a "Logi's are best platform" logic, which is counter-intuitive to even having an Assault class.

Best idea so far.

Umm yeah, I'm a sniper, so where I hang out on the map isn't where Logis should be in the first place. But I can see very well through my 511 scope. (If doubt how well I can see through that scope, put your ass on the field and I'll give you a haircut from 500M out) As far as why I don't run logi, since I think they are OP, it's not my flavor Pal. Yeah, I realize revive is broken, and I realize that CCP is working on a fix, BUT Logis have already spent the SP, so barring a SP refund AND the revive situation being fixed before or at the time of the refund, I don't see a lot of Logis changing up much. I mean seriously, why would they, this is the most WP Logis have seen in awhile. At the end of the day, your troll argument doesn't change the fact that Logi suits are not balanced. I don't want to see them nerfed exactly, but until CCP finds and implements a way for Logis to get WP from doing what Logis do, I see no reason why the Logi suit should have as much EHP as some heavies do.