DUST Search - Horray for Proto Caldari Logis!

Heathen Bastard wrote:

Panther Alpha wrote:

Start writing names Logibro's ....

Lets start a " Black List " of people that will not to get healing or revives ... Twisted

I'll start my yellow list then, so I know who to plop remote explosives on to cost them those fancy suits.

and please, tell me all about how you rez soooooo many mercs. I've gotten 2 revives in the last 3 days. both were from squad members who had trouble locating my corpse even with the marker. I see "triage unit nearby" every ****ing time I go down, and when I signal, then they simply run away from me.

I've been killed by more logis than I've killed because they had the health of a heavy, the same damage as an assault, and could self supply so that they needed(and provided) no support. that is not the role of the logistics unit, the role of the logistics unit is to provide support to the team, not be a one man army that invalidates 80% of tactics used against them.

sneak up on them? too bad, their shields see them tanking your shots, turning and gunning you down. Flux grenade? they stack armor and gun you down. find one with no shields? oh damn, he's armor-stacked. wait, he has to resupply! oh wait, he can carry enough gear to plop down a nanohive whenever he might need. maybe even a hive that heals him(along with his self-rep) and gives him ammo!

Good job ccp. you made the game look pretty, and broke the gameplay. Logi514, the game where you use a tactical rifle, some basically free av nades to pop tanks like nothing(without even having to put skill points in!) and if anyone complains about it, you threaten to not do the one job your role was designed for, that you no longer do anyways!

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Chankk Saotome SyNergy Gaming EoN. 226	Posted - 2013.05.09 10:20:00 - [1] - Quote DUST in a month if not sooner Nothing more needs to be said.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 588	Posted - 2013.05.09 10:21:00 - [2] - Quote Wait until the 14th...
Medic 1879 The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 240	Posted - 2013.05.09 10:33:00 - [3] - Quote As a gal logi I love fighting cal logi's I stack armour and reps and I will be going for damage for my highs so my shields are so low I can lob flux grenades as much as a I like sure I lose a layer of protection now and then but its a small buffer and the cal logis who lost it all then panic when they realise they have a tiny amount of armour and I have an MD aimed at them now. Makes me lol when I see 2-3 together and drop a flux in the middle the panic and confusion is hilarious.
Llan Heindell One-Armed Bandits Atrocitas 58	Posted - 2013.05.09 10:34:00 - [4] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Wait until the 14th... And prepare for the QQ about "Shield tanking is no longer viable" bs. But I do agree that those Proto Logis should not have enough CPU/PG to equip a proto/adv weapon AND shield tank+Dmg amps. Logis are suppose to survive cause they need to revive people. But they should not be able to have tons of damage. Llan Heindell.
J-Lewis Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 47	Posted - 2013.05.09 11:00:00 - [5] - Quote IMO Logistics should be restricted to a sidearm instead of a light weapon, so they can focus on being logibros and not Assaults. That's just my opinion though.
Chankk Saotome SyNergy Gaming EoN. 226	Posted - 2013.05.09 11:06:00 - [6] - Quote J-Lewis wrote: IMO Logistics should be restricted to a sidearm instead of a light weapon, so they can focus on being logibros and not Assaults. That's just my opinion though. HAHAHA! Yes! Hell, why not give them a Logi-only weapon CCP? Make it shoot kittening rainbows to tell the enemy your exact position. In the meantime, let us use the Square button in combat while in a logi suit to emit a comical fart animation, lay down on the ground, and curl up in a ball while sucking our thumbs. You heard it here right from a logibro CCP. Now go do it!
Ryder Azorria Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 296	Posted - 2013.05.09 11:10:00 - [7] - Quote J-Lewis wrote: IMO Logistics should be restricted to a sidearm instead of a light weapon, so they can focus on being logibros and not Assaults. That's just my opinion though. That is actually a damn good idea. Make it so CCP.
RKKR The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 1	Posted - 2013.05.09 11:23:00 - [8] - Quote Ryder Azorria wrote: J-Lewis wrote: IMO Logistics should be restricted to a sidearm instead of a light weapon, so they can focus on being logibros and not Assaults. That's just my opinion though. That is actually a damn good idea. Make it so CCP. So when you die and the enemy is camping your body and my sidearm can't take him out due to the range, are you going to post a thread about how you never get revived/get killend again?
Medic 1879 The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 242	Posted - 2013.05.09 11:33:00 - [9] - Quote J-Lewis wrote: IMO Logistics should be restricted to a sidearm instead of a light weapon, so they can focus on being logibros and not Assaults. That's just my opinion though. Yeah great idea you die and your logibro cant help you because he cant kill people quickly or efficently enough to revive you, I suppose logi's are battllefield surgeons so its also a great idea to not even allow them a pistol or SMG just give us all nova knives that + our lower speed = easy kills for you guys therefore we are balanced I mean why should a support player be able to get kills or assists we are just OP right now.
Deadeye Dic Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 40	Posted - 2013.05.09 11:36:00 - [10] - Quote RKKR wrote: Ryder Azorria wrote: J-Lewis wrote: IMO Logistics should be restricted to a sidearm instead of a light weapon, so they can focus on being logibros and not Assaults. That's just my opinion though. That is actually a damn good idea. Make it so CCP. So when you die and the enemy is camping your body and my sidearm can't take him out due to the range, are you going to post a thread about how you never get revived/get killend again? If logis were actually reviving people, no. But Logis aren't reviving people. They are armor/shield/rep stacking and running around with big guns and killing people while their teammates bleed out. I'm not saying all Logis do, but there is a definite increase in Logis on the battlefield and its not because Injectors are the great new thing or Rep tools have suddenly gotten better, it's because Logis can finally pubstomp and they are taking advantage of the fact that they have more CPU and more slots than any other suit. What pisses me off it that if this were AR guys or for heaven's sake a heavy, Logis and the rest of the community would be up in arms about it tripping over one another to be able to make hate threads about it. But since Logis have the power now, they don't see anything wrong with it and any suggestion to fix it is a reason to hate on someone. How CCP didn't see this coming is beyond me.

Kekklian Noobatronic Goonfeet 4	Posted - 2013.05.09 11:46:00 - [11] - Quote Step 1: Remove the ability for Logi's to fit Damage Mods (Tie it to some fluff about the subroutines being incompatible or some bs) Step 2: ??? Step 3: Profit I think it's silly to say a Logi player cant have a good weapon. I however do agree that Logi's with damage mods encourages a "Logi's are best platform" logic, which is counter-intuitive to even having an Assault class.
RKKR The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 3	Posted - 2013.05.09 11:50:00 - [12] - Quote Deadeye Dic wrote: I'm not saying all Logis do, but there is a definite increase in Logis on the battlefield and its not because Injectors are the great new thing or Rep tools have suddenly gotten better, it's because Logis can finally pubstomp and they are taking advantage of the fact that they have more CPU and more slots than any other suit. What pisses me off it that if this were AR guys or for heaven's sake a heavy, Logis and the rest of the community would be up in arms about it tripping over one another to be able to make hate threads about it. But since Logis have the power now, they don't see anything wrong with it and any suggestion to fix it is a reason to hate on someone. How CCP didn't see this coming is beyond me. You do realize that reviving is broken as hell right now? Are you running with a logi in your squad? I advice you to find one. So it's only the LogiBros that started these hate threads on the forums? Your solution is to make the LogiBro useless because of some people that didn't help you? Why don't you run Logi yourself if you think they are so OP?
J Falcs Bojo's School of the Trades 30	Posted - 2013.05.09 12:01:00 - [13] - Quote J-Lewis wrote: IMO Logistics should be restricted to a sidearm instead of a light weapon, so they can focus on being logibros and not Assaults. That's just my opinion though. I'll go along with that, but only if a logi suit is the only one that can run equipment. Aside from that, tell CCP to provide a better bonus to assault suits, hell, I'd be okay if they gave them the old weaponry bonus of 2% damage increase.
Medic 1879 The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 243	Posted - 2013.05.09 12:06:00 - [14] - Quote RKKR wrote: Deadeye Dic wrote: I'm not saying all Logis do, but there is a definite increase in Logis on the battlefield and its not because Injectors are the great new thing or Rep tools have suddenly gotten better, it's because Logis can finally pubstomp and they are taking advantage of the fact that they have more CPU and more slots than any other suit. What pisses me off it that if this were AR guys or for heaven's sake a heavy, Logis and the rest of the community would be up in arms about it tripping over one another to be able to make hate threads about it. But since Logis have the power now, they don't see anything wrong with it and any suggestion to fix it is a reason to hate on someone. How CCP didn't see this coming is beyond me. You do realize that reviving is broken as hell right now? Are you running with a logi in your squad? I advice you to find one. So it's only the LogiBros that started these hate threads on the forums? Your solution is to make the LogiBro useless because of some people that didn't help you? Why don't you run Logi yourself if you think they are so OP? I agree that some people are running proto logi for the bonus's however RKKR is right not all people are running logi's as assault and the revive is broken at the moment, are you aware that unless you leave the kill board screen yo cant be revived even is a logi is stabbing you like crazy they just stab away but the game wont let you get up. Are you also aware that we no longer get revive symbols near bodies unless you go to the map screen hover on your corps and hold X, also even if you do hold to call for help we still dont get the revive indicator most of the time. Are you also aware that sometimes bodies become invisible the second they die making reviving them impossible. Are you also aware that even if by some miracle you aren't invisible and you do have a revive symbol we can stab like mad and nothing happens sometimes. Another fun glitch is the whole new press O to revive without switching to your nanite injector this seems to only happen if you are in the eact right spot for example you see the press O to revive move about an inch and its gone again. To top that off the press O plays a delayed animation sometimes so you press nothing happens for a second but you cant move eventually you stab the dude and nothing happens. So in summary yes some people are going logi assault but at the moment we cant revive very well, nanohives last about 30 seconds as every one seems to use milita ones so when I drop my adv ones they get swarmed instantly so people complain I am not resupplying people because I use up all my nanohives in seconds. Repair tools yay something that works plus you now get a weird sort of golden halo on your screen to indicate you are being repaired sadly most guys still shield tank and therefore dont seem to see armour as having a point and I have had many many assault guys still out run my slow logi on half health because they wont slow down for the few seconds it takes to rep them with a triage tool only for them to die and blame me for not repping them. I have also had blueberries start panicing and throwing grenades and shooting at me when I repair them as they seem to think I have set them on fire or something, there is nothing so comical/sad as starting to rep a bluedot for them to panic spin round lob a grenade at you and suicide before I can explain its a good thing. So yes logi op indeed.
Needless Sacermendor Red Fox Brigade 249	Posted - 2013.05.09 12:19:00 - [15] - Quote What Medic 1879 said ^^ plus the logi suit is now only available as a militia suit or a 2 mil sp specialisation, come back when you've got a comparable investment in assault suits.
arimal lavaren L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 232	Posted - 2013.05.09 12:28:00 - [16] - Quote You whiners would get picked up if you simply called for help instead of immediately spawning. We can't help you if we don't know you're there. We can't really support you if you don't seem to want it, then the only thing left is for us to try to survive and get what kills we can.
Panther Alpha WarRavens Orion Empire 162	Posted - 2013.05.09 12:37:00 - [17] - Quote Is not all good. That yellow makes you prime target for everyone... Just the other day, i was in a group of 10 people, 10!!.... and everyone in the other team aimed at me, and ignored everyone else. That Yellow is a death sentence... i talk you.
Chankk Saotome SyNergy Gaming EoN. 228	Posted - 2013.05.09 12:41:00 - [18] - Quote You are all missing the point. Let me math it out for you: Caldari Logistics: 5% bonus to Shield Extender Modules Dropsuit Shield Upgrades: 5% bonus to maximum shield per level (Cal start at 180) A proto at 5 slots can be running (566)1.25, that's 412 shield from modules alone, max upgrade and another 225, that's 637 shield alone. Dump in a few armor plates and kinetic booster to balance speed loss and you can have your Logi floating near 1000 HP. Throw a Duvolle on him and he's now more powerful than any assault with the same on the field and still faster than heavies with near relative HP. Then he's got his own equipment resupply points. Not sure why you're all complaining about logis with damage mods, CCP just made a bipedal tank who could use a militia smg and kill you in head-on 1v1 should have you significantly more concerned.
LittleCuteBunny Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 8	Posted - 2013.05.09 12:41:00 - [19] - Quote black and yellow! on the 14 the CCP will add a sidearm slot to Caldari Logi, ty.
Halador Osiris Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 298	Posted - 2013.05.09 12:43:00 - [20] - Quote Ryder Azorria wrote: J-Lewis wrote: IMO Logistics should be restricted to a sidearm instead of a light weapon, so they can focus on being logibros and not Assaults. That's just my opinion though. That is actually a damn good idea. Make it so CCP. I'm sure logis would miss the variety that light weapons provide. How about a role bonus on logistics suits that gives -25% to all light weapon damage?

Delirium Inferno Edoras Corporation 164	Posted - 2013.05.09 12:44:00 - [21] - Quote As a logi bro I wouldn't mind if our light weapon slot got turned into a sidearm slot. When I first started playing Dust I got so used to that SMG in the starter fit that I was actually quite surprised to find its actually a light weapon slot. All that I ask in return is that I get fully refunded for the Assault Rifle skills I got. Along with that I believe logis have way too many module slots. Our thing should be equipment and the assault's thing should be modules. And just like we have way more equipment slots than the assault, they should have way more module slots than a logi. We shouldn't be frontline soldiers, we should be the guys that hang in the back of the group providing service. It doesn't make sense that we can stack up more hitpoints than assaults. And it really doesn't make sense that Caldari logistics gets a bonus to shield extenders, that should be the assault's bonus.
Medic 1879 The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 248	Posted - 2013.05.09 12:51:00 - [22] - Quote Chankk Saotome wrote: You are all missing the point. Let me math it out for you: Caldari Logistics: 5% bonus to Shield Extender Modules Dropsuit Shield Upgrades: 5% bonus to maximum shield per level (Cal start at 180) A proto at 5 slots can be running (566)1.25, that's 412 shield from modules alone, max upgrade and another 225, that's 637 shield alone. Dump in a few armor plates and kinetic booster to balance speed loss and you can have your Logi floating near 1000 HP. Throw a Duvolle on him and he's now more powerful than any assault with the same on the field and still faster than heavies with near relative HP. Then he's got his own equipment resupply points. Not sure why you're all complaining about logis with damage mods, CCP just made a bipedal tank who could use a militia smg and kill you in head-on 1v1 should have you significantly more concerned. How many slots do you get on a Cal assault proto then and what is their possible high eHP?
Panther Alpha WarRavens Orion Empire 162	Posted - 2013.05.09 13:03:00 - [23] - Quote Start writing names Logibro's .... Lets start a " Black List " of people that will not to get healing or revives ...
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 254	Posted - 2013.05.09 13:45:00 - [24] - Quote Panther Alpha wrote: Start writing names Logibro's .... Lets start a " Black List " of people that will not to get healing or revives ... I'll start my yellow list then, so I know who to plop remote explosives on to cost them those fancy suits. and please, tell me all about how you rez soooooo many mercs. I've gotten 2 revives in the last 3 days. both were from squad members who had trouble locating my corpse even with the marker. I see "triage unit nearby" every ****ing time I go down, and when I signal, then they simply run away from me. I've been killed by more logis than I've killed because they had the health of a heavy, the same damage as an assault, and could self supply so that they needed(and provided) no support. that is not the role of the logistics unit, the role of the logistics unit is to provide support to the team, not be a one man army that invalidates 80% of tactics used against them. sneak up on them? too bad, their shields see them tanking your shots, turning and gunning you down. Flux grenade? they stack armor and gun you down. find one with no shields? oh damn, he's armor-stacked. wait, he has to resupply! oh wait, he can carry enough gear to plop down a nanohive whenever he might need. maybe even a hive that heals him(along with his self-rep) and gives him ammo! Good job ccp. you made the game look pretty, and broke the gameplay. Logi514, the game where you use a tactical rifle, some basically free av nades to pop tanks like nothing(without even having to put skill points in!) and if anyone complains about it, you threaten to not do the one job your role was designed for, that you no longer do anyways!
Medic 1879 The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 251	Posted - 2013.05.09 13:52:00 - [25] - Quote I would still like some kind of comparison with possible eHP between assault proto and logi proto.
Panther Alpha WarRavens Orion Empire 163	Posted - 2013.05.09 13:55:00 - [26] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: Panther Alpha wrote: Start writing names Logibro's .... Lets start a " Black List " of people that will not to get healing or revives ... I'll start my yellow list then, so I know who to plop remote explosives on to cost them those fancy suits. and please, tell me all about how you rez soooooo many mercs. I've gotten 2 revives in the last 3 days. both were from squad members who had trouble locating my corpse even with the marker. I see "triage unit nearby" every ****ing time I go down, and when I signal, then they simply run away from me. I've been killed by more logis than I've killed because they had the health of a heavy, the same damage as an assault, and could self supply so that they needed(and provided) no support. that is not the role of the logistics unit, the role of the logistics unit is to provide support to the team, not be a one man army that invalidates 80% of tactics used against them. sneak up on them? too bad, their shields see them tanking your shots, turning and gunning you down. Flux grenade? they stack armor and gun you down. find one with no shields? oh damn, he's armor-stacked. wait, he has to resupply! oh wait, he can carry enough gear to plop down a nanohive whenever he might need. maybe even a hive that heals him(along with his self-rep) and gives him ammo! Good job ccp. you made the game look pretty, and broke the gameplay. Logi514, the game where you use a tactical rifle, some basically free av nades to pop tanks like nothing(without even having to put skill points in!) and if anyone complains about it, you threaten to not do the one job your role was designed for, that you no longer do anyways! The assault dropsuit have much better shields. I was an assault in the previous build, and my K/D ratio have drop from 1.80 to 1.00 now that i decided to be a Logi... explain that one. I sacrifice my K/D ratio, to try to help my Corp in the Planetary Conquest.

ChribbaX Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control Otherworld Empire Productions 383	Posted - 2013.05.09 13:57:00 - [27] - Quote I don't hate my Thale...

Knarf Black Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 704	Posted - 2013.05.09 13:58:00 - [28] - Quote They need to lose a high slot slot or two. It's silly for them to have the most total slots.
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 254	Posted - 2013.05.09 14:05:00 - [29] - Quote Panther Alpha wrote: The assault dropsuit have much better shields. I was an assault in the previous build, and my K/D ratio have drop from 1.80 to 1.00 now that i decided to be a Logi... explain that one. I sacrifice my K/D ratio, to try to help my Corp in the Planetary Conquest. you keep getting caught with your pants down(injector/rep tool out) in a firefight. doesn't change the FACT that caldari logi's have bar none the highest non-vehicular, non-installation shields. assault's shields come back faster to allow them to get into the fight after they get shot. logi's are so high that they don't have to worry about getting shot in the first place. In fact, that could be your problem as well, you get used to having kitten-tons of shields, so you just try to power through and when they go down, you panic and die. or, you're so busy looking to assist a team mate that you're simply not being as aggressive as you were with an assault. I went minmatar scout. my KD has risen, and those kills are with kittening knives and nades.(more knives than nades at this point) what's your excuse?
Panther Alpha WarRavens Orion Empire 163	Posted - 2013.05.09 14:05:00 - [30] - Quote Medic 1879 wrote: I would still like some kind of comparison with possible eHP between assault proto and logi proto. Not 100% sure, i'll check later ... But is much, much higher.



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