Yes. Honestly for the first month that's what I thought they were going to do. I'm in this for the long run, if we lose 4 months of beta skill points that's not such a bad thing.

If they don't fix HMGs by then - maybe.

I know right that thing needs a nerf big time.

This must be your first beta. This is the first beta that I have ever seen let you keep what you got during beta, in the release.

CCP will have to come up with a damn good reason why they needed a complete reset (starting from zero). Otherwise, why go through the trouble of telling everyone "there will be no more resets" only to do said reset?

Would you quit if everyone's Sp was reset back to 500K?

If yes then doesn't that tell you that the SP leveling system is broken?

If yes doesn't that tell you game play is really not all that fun anymore with the update?

If yes then how do you think a new player feels when they come here and not only start with 500K Sp but have to go up against people with 8 million SP? What chance is there that if you were them that you would stay for very long?

If they don't fix HMGs by then - maybe.

If EVERYONE were reset, I wouldn't have a problem with it, but if I was the only one reset, then I imagine I would probably be finished. Definitely need to reduce the multipliers on most of these skills.

CCP will have to come up with a damn good reason why they needed a complete reset (starting from zero). Otherwise, why go through the trouble of telling everyone "there will be no more resets" only to do said reset?

Would you quit if everyone's Sp was reset back to 500K?

If yes then doesn't that tell you that the SP leveling system is broken?

If yes doesn't that tell you game play is really not all that fun anymore with the update?

If yes then how do you think a new player feels when they come here and not only start with 500K Sp but have to go up against people with 8 million SP? What chance is there that if you were them that you would stay for very long?

I want to hug you. Let's hug :D

It tells me I've been playing the same buggy matches for a year, and I'd be pissed if I had to start over, again.

Plus, I like being a pilot, and new players can't do that.

Yes I would. And thats there problem for playing the game late. We played since closed beta, and earned out SP. How would you feel if you been playing this game trying to get 10mil sp, then all of a sudden they say restart from 500,000 sp... Dafuq....


- Geth

If they don't fix HMGs by then - maybe.

It's a beta.

Full reset on launch.

Anyone that has bought AUR or the packs will get it as if they had never spent it.

Out of interest can anyone here name a game that was released and the progress for beta testers was rolled over to give them an unfair advantage against new players?

10 points for the person that can!

I wouldn't quit but it wouldn't change anything. The levels of SP required to max a specialisation are high enough that the SP gap would reappear.

I have been in the closed beta since May 2012, this game is in constant improvement, I call it an everlasting beta, because even 4 years from now, they will keep improving it, so it doesen't matter wheter this game is called beta or final, it will always be beta to me. In the past years we've had about (hard to remember) 3-4 resets, and we all timers still stucked with it. This "beta" has been opened to the public now for 3-4 months, meaning the game has been opened (released) for anyone to play for 3-4 months. 10 points if you can name one game that resets after 3-4 months of release. If someone wanted to be on the same playing field, no one stopped anyone from joining when the "beta" went open several months ago, if they are just discovering the game, well it is the same as any MMO they are not going to reset just because someone joined in late. Anyway that is the way I see it. When the beta went public, CCP promised the folks who were in closed beta that this was the last time their SP was being reset, and they are holding true to their promise.

And to answer the question posted for the topic, no I would not leave even if they did a reset, this is an awesome game in constant improvement, those complaining in the forums about game issues did not see how the game was a year ago, or have any ideas of the improvements since then.

A full SP reset with the skilltree beign such a huge SP sink? **** that ****. I didn't grind away these last 3 months to watch all that SP saved up disappear.

You do understand the point of a beta right?

It isn't for you to grind like crazy and get a head start...

Its to provide feedback on all elements of the game and to report bugs should you come across them...

If they had said from the start that all progression is being reset at launch would you still have played as much?

Well, betas typically don't have real money transactions, including ones that only exist to speed progress. It would be a huge breach of trust considering that.

This must be your first beta. This is the first beta that I have ever seen let you keep what you got during beta, in the release.

Yes I would. And thats there problem for playing the game late. We played since closed beta, and earned out SP. How would you feel if you been playing this game trying to get 10mil sp, then all of a sudden they say restart from 500,000 sp... Dafuq....


- Geth

You do understand the point of a beta right?

It isn't for you to grind like crazy and get a head start...

Its to provide feedback on all elements of the game and to report bugs should you come across them...

If they had said from the start that all progression is being reset at launch would you still have played as much?

I wouldn't mind if it would encourage new players to join

Would you quit if everyone's Sp was reset back to 500K?

If yes then doesn't that tell you that the SP leveling system is broken?

If yes doesn't that tell you game play is really not all that fun anymore with the update?

If yes then how do you think a new player feels when they come here and not only start with 500K Sp but have to go up against people with 8 million SP? What chance is there that if you were them that you would stay for very long?

It might encourage new players on the 14th, but after that, the same problems we're having today pubstomping-wise would still be present.

Eventually, yes, but to nowhere near the same degree as would be caused by people having a gazillion SP head-start on launch day.

The game is borked due to balance issues and bugs, not because some people have more sp than you. While I think players under 4mil so should have their own arena I can't honestly say a reset is necessary. I play on an alt, on which I have ~1mil sp and do ok. If you're getting raped you need to reevaluate your tactics and your skill.

Would you quit if everyone's Sp was reset back to 500K?

If yes then doesn't that tell you that the SP leveling system is broken?

If yes doesn't that tell you game play is really not all that fun anymore with the update?

If yes then how do you think a new player feels when they come here and not only start with 500K Sp but have to go up against people with 8 million SP? What chance is there that if you were them that you would stay for very long?

It was rest several times in past, yet we are still here

Would you quit if everyone's Sp was reset back to 500K?

If yes then doesn't that tell you that the SP leveling system is broken?

If yes doesn't that tell you game play is really not all that fun anymore with the update?

If yes then how do you think a new player feels when they come here and not only start with 500K Sp but have to go up against people with 8 million SP? What chance is there that if you were them that you would stay for very long?

Would you quit if everyone's Sp was reset back to 500K?

If yes then doesn't that tell you that the SP leveling system is broken?

If yes doesn't that tell you game play is really not all that fun anymore with the update?

If yes then how do you think a new player feels when they come here and not only start with 500K Sp but have to go up against people with 8 million SP? What chance is there that if you were them that you would stay for very long?

Why did people join the game during Beta? To give it a try or to get ahead before the official release?

Beta is for mass testing, simple, how many of you have actually submitted bug reports instead of bleating on the forums? Beta isn't for grinding and getting ahead, its for finding issues and reporting them correctly so they can be fixed.

The game isn't released yet so CCP can do as they wish. I really do doubt those people that have abused the Beta phase in the hopes to get ahead will actually laave and if they do, so what, this game is going to be around for a while.

They should reset - fully on release. How do CCP,expect to encourage new players to stay. As a free game there isn't any financial encouragement to play more than a couple of rounds when they start. The only way to get people to stay is too make it fun. There is a real danger that the game will be stuck with a corp of old players which will diminish over time.

No I would not quit

This. It's pretty strange that people seem to take it for granted there's no reset at launch, when this is the only game which doesn't have a reset. Every beta has a reset at launch.

As if it's not enough of an advantage that beta players know the game inside and out, now CCP is giving us up to 10m SP on top of that.

No but i would want something for all the time all of us have spent on grinding away to get it up

Reset the SP of everyone. It was a beta. Once a game goes live all SP/Exp/Equipment should be reset, period , end of story.

First game I've witnessed where all they earned during beta was not reset.

Aditional: Everyone who invested their hard earned cash on any type of AUR purchases should be given (opinion) :

1- 500k (example of starter SP, like its a new account) + Additional SP whereby X Amount of Aur = X Amount Additional SP (could be 10; 5000; 50,000 whatever)

and/or

2- Increased SP Earned per match and/or Increased ISK earned per match, during X Amount of Time (according to AUR spent).

So true. Being a free game, it is very important that the new players' VERY FIRST impression be an enjoyable one.

If they hop into their first match and are completely outmatched by better-geared, more experienced players, there is absolutely nothing preventing them from just deleting the game and moving on.

"Dust? Yeah, I tried it, got my ass kicked, didn't like it. Oh well, at least it didn't cost me anything."

If they enjoy themselves, they'll be more likely to stick around and, hopefully, some will spend money.

They don't even have to win, they only have to feel like they have the potential to win. This won't happen if they're thrown to the wolves, against seemingly unfair, unsurmountable odds, the very first time they play.

Any game needs new players, especially at launch, in order to thrive and survive. You cannot have a successful game by only catering to a handful of hardcore players. People need to stop thinking in selfish terms of how a reset would affect them personally, and start thinking about what is good for the game itself, and it's future.

There's a reason nearly every other game in existence has reset their players at the end of the beta.

absolutely.. in fact already quit due to a joke of a patch...

If you've already quit, then the point is moot, isn't it?

How is the server dying a moot point?

Would you quit if everyone's Sp was reset back to 500K?

If yes then doesn't that tell you that the SP leveling system is broken?

If yes doesn't that tell you game play is really not all that fun anymore with the update?

If yes then how do you think a new player feels when they come here and not only start with 500K Sp but have to go up against people with 8 million SP?

What chance is there that if you were them that you would stay for very long?

The matchmaking problems have already been pointed out numerous times, and that IS the only solution for this. Make 'noob' only matches. ANY other solution will NOT prevent them from being bulldozered by squads that know how to play - since they have been doing so for almost a year.

Would you quit if everyone's Sp was reset back to 500K?

If yes then doesn't that tell you that the SP leveling system is broken?

If yes doesn't that tell you game play is really not all that fun anymore with the update?

If yes then how do you think a new player feels when they come here and not only start with 500K Sp but have to go up against people with 8 million SP? What chance is there that if you were them that you would stay for very long?

There aren't enough players for any matchmaking system to work properly, unless you and many others are willing to wait for minutes if not tens of minutes to get matched with players of similar skill/gear. N00bs are even less likely to do that than vets.

No, but i would only play to cap, then go play games where I make constant progress.

But the idea would be good for the game, until 4 months after release when everyone starts saying how hard it is for newer players...

I wouldn't quit but it wouldn't change anything. The levels of SP required to max a specialisation are high enough that the SP gap would reappear.

You do understand the point of a beta right?

It isn't for you to grind like crazy and get a head start...

Its to provide feedback on all elements of the game and to report bugs should you come across them...

If they had said from the start that all progression is being reset at launch would you still have played as much?

Technically, you haven't been "playing this game", you've been voluntarily testing an unfinished product in order to evaluate it and provide feedback.

It's supposed to be a Beta Test, not a head start.

As far as I'm concerned, keeping what you've earned up to this point is just CCP's way of saying "thank you for your service".

Going to reiderate this for the reading and understanding challenged. This is a beta test. Everything will and can change. Not to mention you keeping any progress when it launches will not be perserved (most at least let you keep your names at least.)

Beta Test

Designed to give feedback and bug reporting.

Rep o bug cases when asked.

Try to break the game as much as humanly possible.

IT IS NOT

A HEAD START

a full retail game for you to get the best you possibly can before launch and qq why your getting reset.
IT IS NOT COMPLETE

Going to reiderate this for the reading and understanding challenged. This is a beta test. Everything will and can change. Not to mention you keeping any progress when it launches will not be perserved (most at least let you keep your names at least.)

Beta Test

Designed to give feedback and bug reporting.

Rep o bug cases when asked.

Try to break the game as much as humanly possible.

IT IS NOT

A HEAD START

a full retail game for you to get the best you possibly can before launch and qq why your getting reset.
IT IS NOT COMPLETE

Another person who obviously is blind and using a common definition of beta test to ignore direct statements from the developers. CCP stated that as a gift for being beta testers we would get a 2 week headstart on open beta members and that bar something catastrophic there would be no reset. That is an incentive statement to encourage people to spend even more of their time playing this game in beta with the expectation that they will keep the progress they earned upon "commercial release" (which as Nikia already pointed out, isn't going to change much other than 3 guns and PC unless CCP does some rampant fixing in the next 5 days). Please get some actual logic to use in this debate.

No I won't quit.
Am I a ccp fanboi? Yes i am, and I'm not ashamed to admit it.
I played EVE from 2003-2010 (I became a daddy and had no time for eve, so it had to go......reluctantly).
I've been playing dust for a year. I've had a blast being part of something of this scale. Giving feedback on bugs/glitches/exploits etc, played with some cool people, took part in events etc, endured reset after reset after reset on each new build, gone through 2 ps3's (fatties)
I like the connection it has with eve. Unfortunately I have no time to play eve and this is a way for me to be part of new eden without having to become a recluse.
I like the atmosphere, the way ccp have brought the feeling of eve onto console (only have to look at dust to know its part of new eden).
I've played too long from the day ccp announced the 'last reset' up to now to leave if ccp reset again. i have a healthy wallet, acceptable SP (could be better).
If they did a reset.......it wouldn't bother me in the leaste, I've been through my fair share of resets, it's water off a ducks back.
No I won't leave.

Would you quit if everyone's Sp was reset back to 500K?

If yes then doesn't that tell you that the SP leveling system is broken?

If yes doesn't that tell you game play is really not all that fun anymore with the update?

If yes then how do you think a new player feels when they come here and not only start with 500K Sp but have to go up against people with 8 million SP? What chance is there that if you were them that you would stay for very long?

Well if its so... think its gnna be bored 4 u as a hardcore fanboy, after killing urself 80 times every match cuz theres no one to shoot at, beside working ur ass off in real life to buy aur ingame to keep dust alive by urself ;p cuz most people CARE about de money/time they have spendd in dust514

This. It's pretty strange that people seem to take it for granted there's no reset at launch, when this is the only game which doesn't have a reset. Every beta has a reset at launch.

As if it's not enough of an advantage that beta players know the game inside and out, now CCP is giving us up to 10m SP on top of that.

Would you quit if everyone's Sp was reset back to 500K?

If yes then doesn't that tell you that the SP leveling system is broken?

If yes doesn't that tell you game play is really not all that fun anymore with the update?

If yes then how do you think a new player feels when they come here and not only start with 500K Sp but have to go up against people with 8 million SP? What chance is there that if you were them that you would stay for very long?

I doubt they are going to reset the SP to 500K as some people have spent money on boosters to get their 8mil SP

Not good buisness

I doubt they are going to reset the SP to 500K as some people have spent money on boosters to get their 8mil SP

Not good buisness