DUST Search - Old players: would you quit if everyone's Sp was reset back to 500K?

Naweedd wrote:

tribal wyvern wrote:

No I won't quit.
Am I a ccp fanboi? Yes i am, and I'm not ashamed to admit it.
I played EVE from 2003-2010 (I became a daddy and had no time for eve, so it had to go......reluctantly).
I've been playing dust for a year. I've had a blast being part of something of this scale. Giving feedback on bugs/glitches/exploits etc, played with some cool people, took part in events etc, endured reset after reset after reset on each new build, gone through 2 ps3's (fatties)
I like the connection it has with eve. Unfortunately I have no time to play eve and this is a way for me to be part of new eden without having to become a recluse.
I like the atmosphere, the way ccp have brought the feeling of eve onto console (only have to look at dust to know its part of new eden).
I've played too long from the day ccp announced the 'last reset' up to now to leave if ccp reset again. i have a healthy wallet, acceptable SP (could be better).
If they did a reset.......it wouldn't bother me in the leaste, I've been through my fair share of resets, it's water off a ducks back.
No I won't leave.

Well if its so... think its gnna be bored 4 u as a hardcore fanboy, after killing urself 80 times every match cuz theres no one to shoot at, beside working ur ass off in real life to buy aur ingame to keep dust alive by urself ;p cuz most people CARE about de money/time they have spendd in dust514

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CAELAN Andoril Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 7	Posted - 2013.05.09 15:02:00 - [121] - Quote I would leave but not quit. Let my main accrue passive SP for a while until I could spec into what I want, or at least spec into skills that would make gameplay hurt less.
Rei Shepard Spectre II 205	Posted - 2013.05.09 15:03:00 - [122] - Quote hooc order wrote: Would you quit if everyone's Sp was reset back to 500K? If yes then doesn't that tell you that the SP leveling system is broken? If yes doesn't that tell you game play is really not all that fun anymore with the update? If yes then how do you think a new player feels when they come here and not only start with 500K Sp but have to go up against people with 8 million SP? What chance is there that if you were them that you would stay for very long? No, why ? I invested my time playing for that SP, maybe the new guys should do that too? What do you wanna do reset SP every 2-3 months to keep it fair to people who are gonna quit anyways ? I used to test from time to time and run my 0 sp spend alt inbetween stacked teams and i could run 17/3 with basic fittings & militia AR with no skills. Though right now with how aiming works (or doesnt work) i won't be around if they cannot fix this, no matter how much SP i got.
Jaqen Morghalis Abandoned Privilege 32	Posted - 2013.05.09 15:10:00 - [123] - Quote Arramakaian Eka wrote: Tenchu-13 wrote: The matchmaking problems have already been pointed out numerous times, and that IS the only solution for this. Make 'noob' only matches. ANY other solution will NOT prevent them from being bulldozered by squads that know how to play - since they have been doing so for almost a year. There aren't enough players for any matchmaking system to work properly, unless you and many others are willing to wait for minutes if not tens of minutes to get matched with players of similar skill/gear. N00bs are even less likely to do that than vets. While I agree that a proper matchmaking system would solve the problem, it is a solution planned for the future. Unless they plan on implementing this matchmaking system in the next 5 days, it won't do anything to prevent the new players who will inevitably become discouraged by being thrown against high-level, over-geared, experienced players RIGHT NOW. At least with a full reset, when they DO get beat by a better player, it will be evident that they lost to a more SKILLED opponent, and not just a better-geared one, who happened to have head-start prior to launch.
Sgt Buttscratch G I A N T EoN. 37	Posted - 2013.05.09 15:32:00 - [124] - Quote No, but i would only play to cap, then go play games where I make constant progress. But the idea would be good for the game, until 4 months after release when everyone starts saying how hard it is for newer players...
Knight SoIaire Better Hide R Die 299	Posted - 2013.05.09 15:34:00 - [125] - Quote Yar Unless they changed it so we're not capped until we hit 5mil total SP, then I'd say No!
Jaqen Morghalis Abandoned Privilege 32	Posted - 2013.05.09 15:35:00 - [126] - Quote Sgt Buttscratch wrote: No, but i would only play to cap, then go play games where I make constant progress. But the idea would be good for the game, until 4 months after release when everyone starts saying how hard it is for newer players... By then, hopefully, they'll have a proper matchmaking system in place. But first things first: they have to get past launch without new players feeling that they don't stand a chance against the more experienced, better skilled, and far better equipped Beta vets.
RedBleach LeSanglant Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 182	Posted - 2013.05.09 20:21:00 - [127] - Quote Yep. My time is valuable. and while it might be fun to kill in all militia gear on even footing - loosing what i have done in the past is more like being fired and then kicked in the junk. I would find another game to occupy my time. There are apparently many of them out there.
Zatara Rought Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 139	Posted - 2013.05.09 20:29:00 - [128] - Quote Mithridates VI wrote: I wouldn't quit but it wouldn't change anything. The levels of SP required to max a specialisation are high enough that the SP gap would reappear. this
Waruiko DUST G I A N T EoN. 96	Posted - 2013.05.09 20:30:00 - [129] - Quote For a time yes. Might come back later, but that could drive me off for a while.
Polish Hammer Conspiratus Immortalis League of Infamy 379	Posted - 2013.05.09 20:34:00 - [130] - Quote I felt like posting a second time: No. There will always be entry level players with comparatively crap suits and skills, the point being, to work your way up. Thank God people are STILL not grasping this.

Failonius Quantum Degeneracy 8	Posted - 2013.05.09 21:04:00 - [131] - Quote No. I want to stay around to see this fail.
Veritas Vitae Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 145	Posted - 2013.05.10 03:11:00 - [132] - Quote L1eutenant wrote: Veritas Vitae wrote: A full SP reset with the skilltree beign such a huge SP sink? ** that **. I didn't grind away these last 3 months to watch all that SP saved up disappear. You do understand the point of a beta right? It isn't for you to grind like crazy and get a head start... Its to provide feedback on all elements of the game and to report bugs should you come across them... If they had said from the start that all progression is being reset at launch would you still have played as much? You obviously didn't pay attention to anything that CCP stated pre-Chromosome, including the fact that "bar something catastrophic, no more resets." I put more time and money into this game because of the incentive promised by CCP. I don't have much free time, working across two jobs 6 days a week. If I knew that all that I expended would be removed from me in a puff of smoke guaranteed, I would not nearly have put this much effort in, and played much more casually and critically like i did in previous builds. I may be a tad soft-spoken on these forums, but I still take note of things and comment on what I consider important if I have something to add to the conversation.
jadzia idris United Star Alliance UNITED STAR FEDERATION 1	Posted - 2013.05.10 03:37:00 - [133] - Quote personally i say reset it refund everyones aur for launch. The whole point of beta is to beta test give feedback report bugs. ITS NOT a head start. Some peoples idea of a beta is delusional. BETA NOT RELEASE. Reset it i could care less .
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate 20	Posted - 2013.05.10 03:55:00 - [134] - Quote ud probably have a bigger playerbase if the older players left. no more spawn camping blueberries. i got a few ppl to sign up for dust and they quit the same day. i cant even play a game with my little bro cause hes not patient enuf to hang around for that 1 match a day when ur not in a completely onesided game. id take a reset to see this game live.provided a promise to never make uprising-like changes.
Naweedd Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS. 1	Posted - 2013.05.10 04:08:00 - [135] - Quote Jaqen Morghalis wrote: Geth Massredux wrote: hooc order wrote: Would you quit if everyone's Sp was reset back to 500K? If yes then doesn't that tell you that the SP leveling system is broken? If yes doesn't that tell you game play is really not all that fun anymore with the update? If yes then how do you think a new player feels when they come here and not only start with 500K Sp but have to go up against people with 8 million SP? What chance is there that if you were them that you would stay for very long? Yes I would. And thats there problem for playing the game late. We played since closed beta, and earned out SP. How would you feel if you been playing this game trying to get 10mil sp, then all of a sudden they say restart from 500,000 sp... Dafuq.... - Geth Technically, you haven't been "playing this game", you've been voluntarily testing an unfinished product in order to evaluate it and provide feedback. It's supposed to be a Beta Test, not a head start. As far as I'm concerned, keeping what you've earned up to this point is just CCP's way of saying "thank you for your service". Service?? Then they had 2 say waayyyy before that its gonna happen so i ddnt put all that money in this game, they don't even had to put real money buy options in Dust514, so if they do, i want al my money back and i'm not the only one i think. So they need to come with a plan that dssnt affect the beta players and fair against the noobs
NIIKIA Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 63	Posted - 2013.05.10 04:10:00 - [136] - Quote Not being a **** but promise you that any of the names that said no don't have over 7-9 mil sp you can lie sure but I've been playing for a while. That said this is pointless ccp won't/ can't they can't go back on their word about resets also they would lose money refunding merc packs to all the players that would quit. I assume you guys are smart. A couple points you need to know. -launch is just a term(nothing has actually changed) - sp gap will open again just a matter of time - the only sure way to fix the issue is improve match making( easiest for fewest heartbreak all around) - resetting sp is too much of a risk meaning ccp has no idea how many players will remain -also ccp has nointention of advertising this release(yet) They won't reset sp but if they did and the game is like it is now? Yes in a heartbeat
tribal wyvern ZionTCD Unclaimed. 904	Posted - 2013.05.10 04:11:00 - [137] - Quote No I won't quit. Am I a ccp fanboi? Yes i am, and I'm not ashamed to admit it. I played EVE from 2003-2010 (I became a daddy and had no time for eve, so it had to go......reluctantly). I've been playing dust for a year. I've had a blast being part of something of this scale. Giving feedback on bugs/glitches/exploits etc, played with some cool people, took part in events etc, endured reset after reset after reset on each new build, gone through 2 ps3's (fatties) I like the connection it has with eve. Unfortunately I have no time to play eve and this is a way for me to be part of new eden without having to become a recluse. I like the atmosphere, the way ccp have brought the feeling of eve onto console (only have to look at dust to know its part of new eden). I've played too long from the day ccp announced the 'last reset' up to now to leave if ccp reset again. i have a healthy wallet, acceptable SP (could be better). If they did a reset.......it wouldn't bother me in the leaste, I've been through my fair share of resets, it's water off a ducks back. No I won't leave.
jadzia idris United Star Alliance UNITED STAR FEDERATION 1	Posted - 2013.05.10 04:16:00 - [138] - Quote Going to reiderate this for the reading and understanding challenged. This is a beta test. Everything will and can change. Not to mention you keeping any progress when it launches will not be perserved (most at least let you keep your names at least.) Beta Test Designed to give feedback and bug reporting. Rep o bug cases when asked. Try to break the game as much as humanly possible. IT IS NOT A HEAD START a full retail game for you to get the best you possibly can before launch and qq why your getting reset. IT IS NOT COMPLETE
NIIKIA Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 63	Posted - 2013.05.10 04:19:00 - [139] - Quote jadzia idris wrote: Going to reiderate this for the reading and understanding challenged. This is a beta test. Everything will and can change. Not to mention you keeping any progress when it launches will not be perserved (most at least let you keep your names at least.) Beta Test Designed to give feedback and bug reporting. Rep o bug cases when asked. Try to break the game as much as humanly possible. IT IS NOT A HEAD START a full retail game for you to get the best you possibly can before launch and qq why your getting reset. IT IS NOT COMPLETE Can you tell me the last beta game you played that took real money? And refunded it to your bank account at release?
Veritas Vitae Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 146	Posted - 2013.05.10 04:26:00 - [140] - Quote jadzia idris wrote: Going to reiderate this for the reading and understanding challenged. This is a beta test. Everything will and can change. Not to mention you keeping any progress when it launches will not be perserved (most at least let you keep your names at least.) Beta Test Designed to give feedback and bug reporting. Rep o bug cases when asked. Try to break the game as much as humanly possible. IT IS NOT A HEAD START a full retail game for you to get the best you possibly can before launch and qq why your getting reset. IT IS NOT COMPLETE Another person who obviously is blind and using a common definition of beta test to ignore direct statements from the developers. CCP stated that as a gift for being beta testers we would get a 2 week headstart on open beta members and that bar something catastrophic there would be no reset. That is an incentive statement to encourage people to spend even more of their time playing this game in beta with the expectation that they will keep the progress they earned upon "commercial release" (which as Nikia already pointed out, isn't going to change much other than 3 guns and PC unless CCP does some rampant fixing in the next 5 days). Please get some actual logic to use in this debate.

NIIKIA Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 63	Posted - 2013.05.10 04:31:00 - [141] - Quote Veritas Vitae wrote: jadzia idris wrote: Going to reiderate this for the reading and understanding challenged. This is a beta test. Everything will and can change. Not to mention you keeping any progress when it launches will not be perserved (most at least let you keep your names at least.) Beta Test Designed to give feedback and bug reporting. Rep o bug cases when asked. Try to break the game as much as humanly possible. IT IS NOT A HEAD START a full retail game for you to get the best you possibly can before launch and qq why your getting reset. IT IS NOT COMPLETE Another person who obviously is blind and using a common definition of beta test to ignore direct statements from the developers. CCP stated that as a gift for being beta testers we would get a 2 week headstart on open beta members and that bar something catastrophic there would be no reset. That is an incentive statement to encourage people to spend even more of their time playing this game in beta with the expectation that they will keep the progress they earned upon "commercial release" (which as Nikia already pointed out, isn't going to change much other than 3 guns and PC unless CCP does some rampant fixing in the next 5 days). Please get some actual logic to use in this debate. a pfbh agreeing with me.... Ccp wth have you done to this game
Jimbeezy Imperfects Negative-Feedback 248	Posted - 2013.05.10 04:33:00 - [142] - Quote No, I for one think there should be a reset.
Naweedd Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS. 1	Posted - 2013.05.10 04:33:00 - [143] - Quote tribal wyvern wrote: No I won't quit. Am I a ccp fanboi? Yes i am, and I'm not ashamed to admit it. I played EVE from 2003-2010 (I became a daddy and had no time for eve, so it had to go......reluctantly). I've been playing dust for a year. I've had a blast being part of something of this scale. Giving feedback on bugs/glitches/exploits etc, played with some cool people, took part in events etc, endured reset after reset after reset on each new build, gone through 2 ps3's (fatties) I like the connection it has with eve. Unfortunately I have no time to play eve and this is a way for me to be part of new eden without having to become a recluse. I like the atmosphere, the way ccp have brought the feeling of eve onto console (only have to look at dust to know its part of new eden). I've played too long from the day ccp announced the 'last reset' up to now to leave if ccp reset again. i have a healthy wallet, acceptable SP (could be better). If they did a reset.......it wouldn't bother me in the leaste, I've been through my fair share of resets, it's water off a ducks back. No I won't leave. Well if its so... think its gnna be bored 4 u as a hardcore fanboy, after killing urself 80 times every match cuz theres no one to shoot at, beside working ur ass off in real life to buy aur ingame to keep dust alive by urself ;p cuz most people CARE about de money/time they have spendd in dust514
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 65	Posted - 2013.05.10 04:39:00 - [144] - Quote hooc order wrote: Would you quit if everyone's Sp was reset back to 500K? If yes then doesn't that tell you that the SP leveling system is broken? If yes doesn't that tell you game play is really not all that fun anymore with the update? If yes then how do you think a new player feels when they come here and not only start with 500K Sp but have to go up against people with 8 million SP? What chance is there that if you were them that you would stay for very long? I would quit. EVEN with an AUR or BOOSTER refund, the time invested is something you cant give me back.
NIIKIA Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 63	Posted - 2013.05.10 04:39:00 - [145] - Quote Naweedd wrote: tribal wyvern wrote: No I won't quit. Am I a ccp fanboi? Yes i am, and I'm not ashamed to admit it. I played EVE from 2003-2010 (I became a daddy and had no time for eve, so it had to go......reluctantly). I've been playing dust for a year. I've had a blast being part of something of this scale. Giving feedback on bugs/glitches/exploits etc, played with some cool people, took part in events etc, endured reset after reset after reset on each new build, gone through 2 ps3's (fatties) I like the connection it has with eve. Unfortunately I have no time to play eve and this is a way for me to be part of new eden without having to become a recluse. I like the atmosphere, the way ccp have brought the feeling of eve onto console (only have to look at dust to know its part of new eden). I've played too long from the day ccp announced the 'last reset' up to now to leave if ccp reset again. i have a healthy wallet, acceptable SP (could be better). If they did a reset.......it wouldn't bother me in the leaste, I've been through my fair share of resets, it's water off a ducks back. No I won't leave. Well if its so... think its gnna be bored 4 u as a hardcore fanboy, after killing urself 80 times every match cuz theres no one to shoot at, beside working ur ass off in real life to buy aur ingame to keep dust alive by urself ;p cuz most people CARE about de money/time they have spendd in dust514 Tbqh people saying no likely have 5mil sp or less and have not bought more than 3 merc packs because if either was true there is noway in hell you would give up ur money and time at the drop of a hat.. For no reason. Sp reset is a bandage to the issue at hand think long term not ur current butthurt. If nothing else if ur even capable think about dust as a whole. What does a reset do for any of the current issues? Not only that talking about this pointless **** takes away from the issues let fix them not waste time.
RydogV Shadow Company HQ 132	Posted - 2013.05.10 06:14:00 - [146] - Quote Arramakaian Eka wrote: Deadeye Dic wrote: Delirium Inferno wrote: Yes. Honestly for the first month that's what I thought they were going to do. I'm in this for the long run, if we lose 4 months of beta skill points that's not such a bad thing. This must be your first beta. This is the first beta that I have ever seen let you keep what you got during beta, in the release. This. It's pretty strange that people seem to take it for granted there's no reset at launch, when this is the only game which doesn't have a reset. Every beta has a reset at launch. As if it's not enough of an advantage that beta players know the game inside and out, now CCP is giving us up to 10m SP on top of that. First off this game is a marathon, not a sprint. So if we were all reset tomorrow then oh freakin' well. Here we go again. That being said, why is keeping SP from an Open Beta, that anyone with a PS3 could have downloaded an played since January 22nd, that big a deal? Everyone who can play the game at "release" could have been playing for the last 3 1/2 months just like me. So their loss I guess. It is not like someone six months from now is not going to download Dust 514 for the first time and expect everyone to be reset because he/she was late to the party. So it is a moot point. Besides, I get killed by people in Militia Gear every day I play. Someone can always get the drop on you. This game is about 25% Skill Points and 75% actual FPS skill.
GLiMPSE X Immobile Infantry 1	Posted - 2013.05.10 08:11:00 - [147] - Quote I think the best solution to the 'problems' would be to use the same systems 'roughly' put into place in EvE into Dust. By this I mean something similar to having different 'locations' for battles. High sec - low isk reward - low chance for high end loot - after a total of X mil (5?) sp for combatants you gain no active sp from the match Low sec - medium isk rewards - medium chance for high end loot - after X (10) mil, no active Null sec - high isk rewards - high chance for high end loot - no caps This would offer the same risk reward present in EvE but would also allow for the the noobs to have a place in the sandbox to cut their teeth and freedom but a time waisting deterent for vets to pubstomp. CCP, you're welcome. I expect the check is in the mail?
Agent Jerry Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.05.10 08:23:00 - [148] - Quote As a new player i wouldn't mind. I don't know if its a common thing, as i have seen a lot about the assault rifle being OP. But I have had to resort to sniper tactics just to feel like I'm doing something and not getting smashed. I hope something happens before the release date or I'll have to play something that is meant for grinding... like Diablo 3.... yuk...
Zarr Du'Kar Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 36	Posted - 2013.05.10 08:50:00 - [149] - Quote No. However, CCP needs to bump up the starting SP to be commensurate with their increase in SP multipliers. 500k SP is jack sht compared to the SP inflation. Dust514 is the only MMO I know that wont reset skills right before release and that boggles my mind. If players complain about time wasted, well, 1. That's beta. You signed a Eula that allows CCP to reset at their whim once release comes. Acting like a self-absorbed, elitist, thinks-who-deserves-everything prck doesn't change what you agreed to. Plain and simple 2. If CCP wants to cater to both new players and old - increase the starting SP to 1 million and if they're feeling extra generous do another x3 SP event to celebrate the release Anyway, reset is a solution to a lot of issues with the game, the new vs old sp gap, the merc pack refund debate, the BPO debate, the skills not working right debate. Honestly, if CCP is being bullied by elitist closed/open beta people then the game will just get worse and worse. Listen to reasonable discussions and not people who demand entitlement for playing a free game. Players who actually stay despite the bugs, resets and what-nots are the people who truly see the potential of this game and will be the driving force in making the game successful. - Zarr
Ignoble Son 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 194	Posted - 2013.05.10 08:58:00 - [150] - Quote hooc order wrote: Would you quit if everyone's Sp was reset back to 500K? Yes. hooc order wrote: If yes then doesn't that tell you that the SP leveling system is broken? No hooc order wrote: If yes doesn't that tell you game play is really not all that fun anymore with the update? No it doesn't. What it tells me is that I have already had to start from 500k twice now and I am not willing to go a third round. hooc order wrote: If yes then how do you think a new player feels when they come here and not only start with 500K Sp but have to go up against people with 8 million SP? What chance is there that if you were them that you would stay for very long? The chances are pretty much absolute, if this were my first time around, that I would stay with it, seeing as how I've done it twice now. Not interested in going for a third though.



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